So a moderator of this forum endorses murder over a difference of opinion.- Dionysios
Never give up, never surrender!
How is the occurence of the Holocaust an opinion?
So go ahead and investigate ritual cannibalism by Jews.But please don't try to use it in an argument about how Jews are evil until you can compile vast documentational, photographic, and eyewitness evidence.-Erasmus
which mod changed all his posts to the? it's a nice touch but killed a thread i was trying to read. I agree with it though.
He did that himself I believe, read above. A shame, too, since those are the ones I like best.
However, although I believe the Germans to be innocent of genocide in WWII (which is different than persecution), I do believe that the German government was guilty of both complicity with Turkey and cover-up of the genocide of Armenians in WWI.
It's no slur if it's fact.
My initial post had stated that the near universal belief of western civilization in a huge lie has a precedent - the Donation of Constantine forgery which was perpetrated in Charlemagne's time some 500 years after Saint Constantine the Roman Emperor himself. This forgery was the basis of many unethical political thefts, false claims, and wrongdoings such as the crusades and others until it was exposed by Lorenzo Valla and others during the renaissance era centuries later. By 1600 even the papists themselves acknowledged it was a forgery.Based on an essay by Professor Arthur Butz, Ph. D. of Case Western Reserve University in Ohio, I had compared belief in the jewish holocaust of WWII with belief in the Donation of Constantine forgery.
Quote from: 17 NovemberMy initial post had stated that the near universal belief of western civilization in a huge lie has a precedent - the Donation of Constantine forgery which was perpetrated in Charlemagne's time some 500 years after Saint Constantine the Roman Emperor himself. This forgery was the basis of many unethical political thefts, false claims, and wrongdoings such as the crusades and others until it was exposed by Lorenzo Valla and others during the renaissance era centuries later. By 1600 even the papists themselves acknowledged it was a forgery.Based on an essay by Professor Arthur Butz, Ph. D. of Case Western Reserve University in Ohio, I had compared belief in the jewish holocaust of WWII with belief in the Donation of Constantine forgery.The similarities between the alleged jewish holocaust and the greatest lie of the Middle Ages will be better appreciated by one who compares well researched holocaust revisionist literature with this brief but pointed analysis and rebuttal of the 'Donation of Constantine':The Donation of Constantine and the Critique of Lorenzo Vallahttp://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/donation/donation_of_constantine.htm
We're all jealous of Raist.
Ah yes, America going to war with Hitler to free the Jews from Hitler's evil grasp, we are such saints, aren't we? I suppose the fact that most Americans, and a good deal of our soldiers, did not even know the concentration camps existed until the War in Europe was over with did not factor into your reasoning. And here I have been thinking America went to war because of our alliances with European nations, the attack on the Pacific Fleet, to protect the hegemonical balance in Europe, ect. I think many people overemphasize the connection between the Holocaust and the Second World War.
Quote from: Hobbes on March 26, 2008, 02:03:24 PMDo you think there's a God?Well, SOMEbody's out to get me.
Do you think there's a God?
Pics and eyewitness testimony, first-hand perspective from live survivors.
I think many people overemphasize the connection between the Holocaust and the Second World War.
Quote from: DionysiosSo a moderator of this forum endorses murder over a difference of opinion.- DionysiosHow is the occurence of the Holocaust an opinion?
Quote from: cadmium_blimpQuote from: DionysiosSo a moderator of this forum endorses murder over a difference of opinion.- DionysiosHow is the occurence of the Holocaust an opinion?I was referring to the fact that people believe different things about the nature of what constitutes the jewish holocaust. What I believe in a nutshell is this:The main thing that occurred to european jews during the second world war was their forced deportation (against their will) primarily to Palestine and points east which exactly what both the Nazi and zionist leaders wanted. Generally, the most dignified jews of europe which constituted the great majority were were wrongly and severely persecuted by the Nazis and this definitely included murder on many an occasion. The holocaust story is a fanatic ideological revisionist exagerration which serves a cover for this event as these jews still existed at the end of the war. The majority of deported jews went from points like the Auschwitz/Birkenau concentration camps to places where they were resettled by Russia (Auschwitz is in Poland which was in the post-war Soviet zone, and also to other places most significantly america and Palestine. This relocation of jews is the subject of 'The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry' by Walter Sanning.http://www.amazon.com/Dissolution-Eastern-European-Walter-Sanning/dp/0939484110In 1940, over 90% of european jews were anti-zionist which means they were traditional assimilationists - they were content and preferred the country in which they lived and considered themselves that nationality (whether German, British, Spanish, et cetera). Ever since dispersal by the Romans, jewish tradition always dictated that the diaspora of the jewish people is the will of God who will not return the jews until the time of the goy or gentile has ended. This is based upon the prophet Isaiah and also accords with ancient Christian tradition. A break from this is an indication of apostasy from jewish tradition. Traditional jews such as the Neturei Karta have always opposed zionism and the state of israel's existence based upon spiritual principles. This does not at all mean that traditional jews like the Neturei Karta are fans of Hitler. In fact, that shameful distinction actuall belongs to their arch-enemies, the zionist jews. http://www.nkusa.org/During the 1930's and 1940's, the zionists were still a radical fanatical minority among their brethren. Hitler's persecution and forced deportations changed attitude. It is no accident that Hitler is occasionally referred to as the best friend the zionists ever had. My second main contention is that Adolf Hitler himself and most of his closest colleagues were zionist jews who collaborated with the zionists their entire lives without fail. Israel's founding prime minister David Ben-Gurion merely put the finishingtouches on what Hitler activated which was Hitler's childhood dream as a Viennese jewish boy - the relocation of the jews of europe to ancient Palestine - a Dream which he successfully achieved.The strong and continual working relations of the Nazism both in Germany and of fascist countries in other european countries with the zionist movement from 1933 onwards is excellently told by the jewish author Lenni Brenner in his book 'Zionism in the Age of Dictators.' This book shows it all. Among many other things, two ardent jewish Nazis throughout the entirety of world war two who were terrorist associated with the Stern Gang became right wing Likud prime ministers of israel. The are Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Shamir.Zionism in the Age of Dictators By Lenni Brennerhttp://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner/In spite of the fact that it accepts the holocaust story uncritically (which is not that big of a deal especially because the book does have the correct idea with reguard to deportation of european jews as the clinchpin), 'Adolf Hitler Founder of Israel: Israel At War With the Jews' by the anti-zionist German jew Hennecke Kardel is possibly the single best book ever written on Adolf Hitler.http://ellhn.e-e-e.gr/books/assets/founder_of_Israel.pdfAn extraordinary book from 1940 by Hansjurgen Koehler - an ex-Gestapo agent who defected to Britain - contains great deal of information on Hitler's family which and exposed Nazi intelligence networks and their engineering of the civil war in Spain which most Spanish people were content in that they did not want a brutal war and a fascist dictator like Franco.Inside the Gestapo: Hitler's Shadow Over the WorldBy Hansjurgen Koehlerhttp://www.amazon.com/Inside-Gestapo-Hitlers-Shadow-World/dp/0930852397A classic israeli non-fiction book exposing Nazi collaboration with the founders of the israeli government written by the jewish playwright Ben Hecht is entitled 'Perfidy':http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/kastner_judea_magazine.htm
And the point of digging up a year and a half old thread is....?
Israel's founding prime minister David Ben-Gurion merely put the finishingtouches on what Hitler activated which was Hitler's childhood dream as a Viennese jewish boy - the relocation of the jews of europe to ancient Palestine - a Dream which he successfully achieved.
I just want to ask, do you really think the holocaust was "JUST" just a violent relocation of jewish people where some murder and death occurred?
I think there are enough independent accounts of jewish enslavement, starvation, abuse, experimentation, and other basic human rights to show that it was much more than relocation.
Quote from: RaistI just want to ask, do you really think the holocaust was "JUST" just a violent relocation of jewish people where some murder and death occurred?I would not have included the word "just" if I was making the statement, but I do believe that is the most essential part of the story.Quote from: RaistI think there are enough independent accounts of jewish enslavement, starvation, abuse, experimentation, and other basic human rights to show that it was much more than relocation.I do not have a problem with that, and I admire and share your respect for the weak. May I ask your opinion of the modern israeli state?
Quote from: RaistI just want to ask, do you really think the holocaust was "JUST" just a violent relocation of jewish people where some murder and death occurred?I would not have included the word "just" if I was making the statement, but I do believe that the forced relocation is the most essential part of the story.Quote from: RaistI think there are enough independent accounts of jewish enslavement, starvation, abuse, experimentation, and other basic human rights to show that it was much more than relocation.I do not have a problem with that, and I admire and share your respect for the weak. I generally agree. After listening to all sides, I would say that some details like gas chambers I believe are fabrications, but my sympathy is with the jews and not their persecutors. I concur with the opinion of the jewish writer Norman Finkelstein that a huge and corrupt holocaust industry exists to make money out of peoples' misery and this is reprehensible.http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/The Holocaust Industry By Norman Finkelsteinhttp://books.google.com/books?id=VrqK5VdO2i0C&dq=norman+finkelstein+holocaust+industry&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=0LbOSp2IEpGoMcmtuZQD&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBMQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=&f=falseMay I ask your opinion of the modern israeli state?
I based on evidence think that there is little to no chance that most of them relocated. that is what the Germans tried first. when they had trouble getting rid of them they started to kill them.
Penis tastes like skin.
Especially Marcus. He has a smart brain.
I didn't read through the entire thread but, my question: is what happened to the Jews in the holocaust any different or somehow worse than what the Americans and Colonists did to the American Indians?A friend of mine (who is sioux), who is a historian told me that the number will never be fully known, but it is estimated over 100 million indians were slaughtered over 150 years by the U.S. (after the revolution). If that is true than it is substantially more than the death toll due to the holocaust.