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sokarul

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The Universe
« on: July 10, 2007, 06:31:37 PM »
Anyone else watching it or watch it?  Its on the history channel.  The episode on now is talking about how the earth was formed.  And strangely enough, they didn't show a flat earth.  The show basically disproves the FET so I'm assuming Tom, TheEngineer and a few others are deficiently not watching it.
I due know all they are talking about are just “theories” but their theories are a little different then the ones on here.  Basically they actually do experiments.     
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Re: The Universe
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2007, 06:48:54 PM »
I've been watching it. The show didn't disprove the flat Earth theory, because it only showed one side. ::)

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Re: The Universe
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2007, 06:50:27 PM »
There is no other side.  Its the history channel, not the anti-physics and magic channel. 
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Re: The Universe
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2007, 06:52:07 PM »
The Universe.  Great real estate out there I here.

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Re: The Universe
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2007, 07:15:52 PM »
I've been watching it. The show didn't disprove the flat Earth theory, because it only showed one side. ::)

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It shows the side supported by evidence. By your approach we could say: evolution does not disprove the babylonian creation myth, or the egyptian creation myth, or the judeo-christian one etc etc. because it only shows one side of the argument. Well.. it shows the argument that is supported by scientific evidence. I don't believe you'd endorse teaching every single creation myth in a science class alongside evolution just because some people may believe it and refuse to change their views in the face of evidence, would u? This is no different.
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Re: The Universe
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2007, 09:58:43 PM »
I've been watching it. The show didn't disprove the flat Earth theory, because it only showed one side. ::)

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It shows the side supported by evidence. By your approach we could say: evolution does not disprove the babylonian creation myth, or the egyptian creation myth, or the judeo-christian one etc etc. because it only shows one side of the argument. Well.. it shows the argument that is supported by scientific evidence. I don't believe you'd endorse teaching every single creation myth in a science class alongside evolution just because some people may believe it and refuse to change their views in the face of evidence, would u? This is no different.

Evolution does not disprove anything, only displaces the creation myth and thusly requisites evidence on the part of the creation myth to either disprove its competitor or prove itself more wholly.

That's kind of why this whole thing is here. For debate. Congrats. You have proven nothing.

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Re: The Universe
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2007, 10:50:08 PM »
Anyone else watching it or watch it?  Its on the history channel.  The episode on now is talking about how the earth was formed.  And strangely enough, they didn't show a flat earth.  The show basically disproves the FET so I'm assuming Tom, TheEngineer and a few others are deficiently not watching it.
I due know all they are talking about are just “theories” but their theories are a little different then the ones on here.  Basically they actually do experiments.     
Why, exactly, am I supposedly not watching it?


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Re: The Universe
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2007, 11:50:00 PM »
I've been watching it. The show didn't disprove the flat Earth theory, because it only showed one side. ::)

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It shows the side supported by evidence. By your approach we could say: evolution does not disprove the babylonian creation myth, or the egyptian creation myth, or the judeo-christian one etc etc. because it only shows one side of the argument. Well.. it shows the argument that is supported by scientific evidence. I don't believe you'd endorse teaching every single creation myth in a science class alongside evolution just because some people may believe it and refuse to change their views in the face of evidence, would u? This is no different.

Evolution does not disprove anything, only displaces the creation myth and thusly requisites evidence on the part of the creation myth to either disprove its competitor or prove itself more wholly.

That's kind of why this whole thing is here. For debate. Congrats. You have proven nothing.

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I meant 'prove' (or disprove) only in as far as anything could ever be scientifically proven (or disproven). Strictly speaking nothing can ever be absolutelly proven. I cannot prove that the world wasn't created by magical unicorns 2 weeks ago and that everything prior to that: history, our memories etc. aren't just an illusion ultimately ammounting to a grand cosmic joke. I do have massive ammounts of evidence indicating otherwise though.  If you wanna get all 'philosophy of knowledge' on me and say that ultimatelly no point is ever anything more than a debate, that's fine. It's technically correct I suppose and I accept that, but that being said I think half of the time it's just half-baked philosophy (in the sense that relativelly unintelligent people often tend to use it as an excuse for rejecting science - I am by no means saying this is you btw). So again I would say that the fact that the earth is round has been proven to as great a degree as it is possible to actually 'prove' anything in science. In the same way, evolution is as true as anything else we know in science (though the fine details continue to be refined and I suspect and hope that this will continue on).
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Re: The Universe
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2007, 09:58:39 AM »
Anyone else watching it or watch it?  Its on the history channel.  The episode on now is talking about how the earth was formed.  And strangely enough, they didn't show a flat earth.  The show basically disproves the FET so I'm assuming Tom, TheEngineer and a few others are deficiently not watching it.
I due know all they are talking about are just “theories” but their theories are a little different then the ones on here.  Basically they actually do experiments.     
Why, exactly, am I supposedly not watching it?
Because it disproves the FET. 
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Re: The Universe
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2007, 10:46:48 AM »
Why, exactly, am I supposedly not watching it?
Because it disproves the FET. 

Oh ffs, you still don't know sokarul? ::)

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Re: The Universe
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2007, 01:31:38 PM »
I've been watching it. The show didn't disprove the flat Earth theory, because it only showed one side. ::)

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It shows the side supported by evidence. By your approach we could say: evolution does not disprove the babylonian creation myth, or the egyptian creation myth, or the judeo-christian one etc etc. because it only shows one side of the argument. Well.. it shows the argument that is supported by scientific evidence. I don't believe you'd endorse teaching every single creation myth in a science class alongside evolution just because some people may believe it and refuse to change their views in the face of evidence, would u? This is no different.

Evolution does not disprove anything, only displaces the creation myth and thusly requisites evidence on the part of the creation myth to either disprove its competitor or prove itself more wholly.

That's kind of why this whole thing is here. For debate. Congrats. You have proven nothing.

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I meant 'prove' (or disprove) only in as far as anything could ever be scientifically proven (or disproven). Strictly speaking nothing can ever be absolutelly proven. I cannot prove that the world wasn't created by magical unicorns 2 weeks ago and that everything prior to that: history, our memories etc. aren't just an illusion ultimately ammounting to a grand cosmic joke. I do have massive ammounts of evidence indicating otherwise though.  If you wanna get all 'philosophy of knowledge' on me and say that ultimatelly no point is ever anything more than a debate, that's fine. It's technically correct I suppose and I accept that, but that being said I think half of the time it's just half-baked philosophy (in the sense that relativelly unintelligent people often tend to use it as an excuse for rejecting science - I am by no means saying this is you btw). So again I would say that the fact that the earth is round has been proven to as great a degree as it is possible to actually 'prove' anything in science. In the same way, evolution is as true as anything else we know in science (though the fine details continue to be refined and I suspect and hope that this will continue on).

I was not getting technically philisophical at all, and I'm not sure what I said that made you so boldly assume so. I'm just saying that they showed what evidence they had for the round Earth creation. But they didn't show the other side of the debate. So, they have what is apparently valid evidence, and thusly, the next logical step is for the flat Earth theory to disprove that evidence. You have still disproved nothing.


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Re: The Universe
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2007, 01:35:24 PM »
Why, exactly, am I supposedly not watching it?
Because it disproves the FET. 

Oh ffs, you still don't know sokarul? ::)

What part doesn't disprove the FET? 
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Re: The Universe
« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2007, 01:55:28 PM »
Why, exactly, am I supposedly not watching it?
Because it disproves the FET. 

Oh ffs, you still don't know sokarul? ::)

What part doesn't disprove the FET? 

I think the point isn't to disprove FET, but rather to prove TheEngineer should be watching it.
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Re: The Universe
« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2007, 05:56:20 PM »
Oh.
My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

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Re: The Universe
« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2007, 08:54:05 PM »
Why, exactly, am I supposedly not watching it?
Because it disproves the FET. 

Oh ffs, you still don't know sokarul? ::)

What part doesn't disprove the FET? 

I think the point isn't to disprove FET, but rather to prove TheEngineer should be watching it.

What he said if I'm reading right.

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Re: The Universe
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2007, 09:48:17 PM »
Damn, it never ceases to amaze me how stupid sokarul can be...


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Re: The Universe
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2007, 09:56:52 PM »
Damn, it never ceases to amaze me how stupid sokarul can be...
lol cry more.  Its not my fault the RET bends over the FET.  Maybe you should go back to school to learn the shape of the earth.  I still can't figure out how you are an Engineer yet you think the earth is flat. 
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Re: The Universe
« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2007, 11:07:32 PM »
My statement proven, again.


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Re: The Universe
« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2007, 11:38:43 PM »
My statement proven, again.
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Re: The Universe
« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2007, 02:45:45 AM »
I sleep in a pipe.
My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

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Re: The Universe
« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2007, 03:14:32 AM »
It shows the side supported by evidence. By your approach we could say: evolution does not disprove the babylonian creation myth, or the egyptian creation myth, or the judeo-christian one etc etc. because it only shows one side of the argument.

Evolution isn't a creation theory, so it wouldn't disprove any of those things.
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Re: The Universe
« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2007, 08:11:44 AM »
lol cry more.  Its not my fault the RET bends over the FET.  Maybe you should go back to school to learn the shape of the earth.  I still can't figure out how you are an Engineer yet you think the earth is flat. 

Lol, I'm not even sure if it's funny anymore.

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Re: The Universe
« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2007, 09:40:18 AM »
I was not getting technically philisophical at all, and I'm not sure what I said that made you so boldly assume so. I'm just saying that they showed what evidence they had for the round Earth creation. But they didn't show the other side of the debate. So, they have what is apparently valid evidence, and thusly, the next logical step is for the flat Earth theory to disprove that evidence. You have still disproved nothing.


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Apologies if I misinterpreted your statement. No the show itself defintielly doesn't disprove FE and of course its aim isn't to do so (that is, it doesn't take FE specifically point by point showing everything that is wrong with it and comparing it to the evidence they're putting forward). I guess the comment I was initially trying to make is that it is under no obligation to show the "other side of the debate" since RE vs FE isn't a real scientific debate to being with. The debate here I think is more for amusement puroses than anything else (though I can't speak for everyone). My point was that the fact that the earth is round has been scientifically proven already (prior to this show ever being made), ergo there really isn't anything left for the show to disprove with respect to that particular idea. A handful of hardheaded people with an inability to think, challenging a position for reasons that don't stand up to any scrutiny does not make for a legitimate debate - not a scientific one.

It shows the side supported by evidence. By your approach we could say: evolution does not disprove the babylonian creation myth, or the egyptian creation myth, or the judeo-christian one etc etc. because it only shows one side of the argument.

Evolution isn't a creation theory, so it wouldn't disprove any of those things.

You're right of course that evolution does not deal with how life started, I was not being specific enough in my statement. Evolution doesn't disprove the idea of creation itself, but I think it does disprove certain key aspects of various creation myths as told. For instance, the judeo-christian creation story teaches that man was created from scratch in his present anatomical form by a supernatural deity. Evolution, or rather the evidence for evolution, shows very clearly that man evolved from other life forms and is not a product of intelligent design as described in that myth. So I think, scienitifically speaking, that evolution disproves that aspect of the creation myth. Other areas of science of course disprove other aspects (i.e. the order in which things appear, how long it took, how long ago it happened etc).
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Re: The Universe
« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2007, 10:10:54 AM »
lol cry more.  Its not my fault the RET bends over the FET.  Maybe you should go back to school to learn the shape of the earth.  I still can't figure out how you are an Engineer yet you think the earth is flat. 

Lol, I'm not even sure if it's funny anymore.

Should we tell sokarul, or just let this go on. I'm actually quite sure this is hilarious.
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Re: The Universe
« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2007, 10:54:42 AM »
Should we tell sokarul, or just let this go on. I'm actually quite sure this is hilarious.
Please don't. ;D

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Re: The Universe
« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2007, 11:03:50 AM »
lol cry more.  Its not my fault the RET bends over the FET.  Maybe you should go back to school to learn the shape of the earth.  I still can't figure out how you are an Engineer yet you think the earth is flat. 

Lol, I'm not even sure if it's funny anymore.

In fact, it's gotten quite sad.
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Re: The Universe
« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2007, 12:44:37 PM »
lol cry more.  Its not my fault the RET bends over the FET.  Maybe you should go back to school to learn the shape of the earth.  I still can't figure out how you are an Engineer yet you think the earth is flat. 

Lol, I'm not even sure if it's funny anymore.

In fact, it's gotten quite sad.

But, it's the sad where it's still humourous.  I guess we'll leave him to figure it out on his own like Mastercheif suggested.  But that could take awhile...

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Re: The Universe
« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2007, 12:51:49 PM »
That will never happen.  Ironically, he's just like a real FEer, literally ignoring evidence flying in his face.
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Re: The Universe
« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2007, 12:53:05 PM »
Should we tell sokarul, or just let this go on. I'm actually quite sure this is hilarious.
Please don't. ;D
Tell me what, that theengineer is really an re'er.  I already know he claims to be but hes not.  He believes the earth is flat. 
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Re: The Universe
« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2007, 12:56:44 PM »
That will never happen.  Ironically, he's just like a real FEer, literally ignoring evidence flying in his face.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?