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« Reply #120 on: February 19, 2007, 07:56:12 AM »
The nature of science is that of doubt and uncertainty.  It is unscientific of me to believe what you say without having analyzed the evidence myself.  And I'm not talking about a google search or the Discovery channel.  

I've been working on cars since I started walking (father is a mechanic) and I applied this understanding when I bought each of my cars (one pictured after its tragic end in the CARS thread under "everything else".  hilarity).  I've never bought a house, but my brother is an architect and he and I have done enough remodeling to know what's up.  I find it very important -- as a human -- to continuously believe in nothing.

And sleep?  Am I a man dreaming he is a butterfly or a butterfly dreaming he is a man?

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« Reply #121 on: February 19, 2007, 08:11:23 AM »
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The South end gets wider and wider, which is not what we observe, so Eramus theory is obviously false

Proof?

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« Reply #122 on: February 19, 2007, 08:12:27 AM »
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The South end gets wider and wider, which is not what we observe, so Eramus theory is obviously false

Proof?


Proof that the Earth is flat? Thanks.
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« Reply #123 on: February 19, 2007, 08:13:44 AM »
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The South end gets wider and wider, which is not what we observe, so Eramus theory is obviously false

Proof?


Proof that the Earth is flat? Thanks.

Look out your window, but squint alot, and be drunk.
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« Reply #124 on: February 19, 2007, 08:14:36 AM »
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Proof that the Earth is flat? Thanks.

You don't know what punctuation means, do you?

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« Reply #125 on: February 19, 2007, 08:15:37 AM »
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Proof that the Earth is flat? Thanks.

You don't know what punctuation means, do you?

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« Reply #126 on: February 19, 2007, 08:17:32 AM »
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Proof that the Earth is flat? Thanks.

You don't know what punctuation means, do you?


Shit man, my punctuation on the internet is bad, call the police!

Proof that the Earth is flat? Thanks.

Provide me some proof. Surely is the earth is flat you have one piece of evidence to support your argument.
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« Reply #127 on: February 19, 2007, 08:20:28 AM »
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« Reply #128 on: February 19, 2007, 09:00:22 AM »
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Would this mean that there would be points at the end of Antarctica where there is no South Pole gravitation or are the bar magnets basically a bunch of pie slices (meaning the southern end gets wider and wider as it reaches the end)?


The diagram is idealized and intended to convey a property of the distribution of the magnetic material within the Earth.  A bar magnet is merely a collection of aligned polarized molecules all stuck together in a rectangle.  If you have a collection of aligned polarized molecules not stuck together in a rectangle, you still get a conglomerate magnetic field.  The analytic way to view the diagram is to think of each bar magnet as having angular width dθ and allowing dθ to go to zero, while proportionally increasing the number of bar magnets.

To answer your question, however, it suffices to say that the magnetic field induced by a bar magnet does not cease to exist at/past the ends of the bar, so yes, there would still be a magnetic field.

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The South end gets wider and wider, which is not what we observe, so Eramus theory is obviously false


What?  Are you saying you dug up a north-south aligned, continent-sized bar magnet, followed it all the way to Antarctica, and observed that it did not indeed get wider as you went farther south?
Why did the chicken cross the Möbius strip?

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« Reply #129 on: February 20, 2007, 04:45:43 AM »


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The South end gets wider and wider, which is not what we observe, so Eramus theory is obviously false

What?  Are you saying you dug up a north-south aligned, continent-sized bar magnet, followed it all the way to Antarctica, and observed that it did not indeed get wider as you went farther south?

No im saying we see evidence against it in igneous rocks and also in observed magnetic field lines. I provided examples a few pages back. Your theory is screwed, sorry.
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« Reply #130 on: March 12, 2007, 03:12:44 PM »
I propose a new model for the source of the flat Earth's magnetic field.  Instead of the Earth being a single magnet with the north pole in the center and the south pole as a non-single-point curve around the rim, can we have have the Earth  contain or be made of up many bar magnets, each with its north pole at the center?  It would look something like this:



I realize of course that there are certain problems with this model, but I think I can address them:

Q: Wouldn't be strong repulsive forces pushing the magnets apart, essentially tearing the Earth apart?

A: This force would definitely exist, but the picture is just to get an idea of the arrangements -- not the size or density -- of the magnets.  I don't mean to suggest that the entire Earth is comprised entirely of enormous magnets; merely that there is magnetic material mixed in with the nonmagnetic material, and that this magnetic material is arranged just like the magnetic material in bar magnets.

Q: What's with the hole in the middle?

A: Partly it was a way of decreasing the repulsive forces at the center of the world.  Partly it was, well, I figured it would be easier to accept the bar-magnet idea if the magnets were actually bar shaped.  Also, the figure isn't too scale; in reality the hole would be much smaller.  But don't forget, if you use a compass right on the north pole, it just spins around a lot, which is exactly what you'd expect from this model.  Lastly, this gives the model more freedom to place the magnetic north pole (see below).

Q: But the magnetic north pole isn't at the same place as the geographic north pole...

A: True, but I don't insist that all the bar magnets be equally strong.  Maybe bar magnet #7 is a bit stronger than the others, which would make compasses tend to point a bit more towards that one.  That's another reason to have the hole -- this way the magnetic north pole doesn't need to be right at the center.

As a final note, you should take this figure as a schematic; it's not meant to be to scale.  There would probably be many more than ten bar magnets, and each would be much narrower.  The hole is probably way too big, and there's no need for spaces in between the bar magnets.

So... comments?  Questions?

-Erasmus


Standing at that black circle would cause a compass to point south instead of north.  If you claim one of them is stronger than the rest then this would work next to one of the bar magnets (or close enough to any of them).

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« Reply #131 on: March 12, 2007, 03:18:12 PM »
The problem arises when people think that the Earth is just a big bar magnet therefore you can just squash the field flat and everything is hunky dory.

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« Reply #132 on: March 12, 2007, 03:28:11 PM »
I propose a new model for the source of the flat Earth's magnetic field.  Instead of the Earth being a single magnet with the north pole in the center and the south pole as a non-single-point curve around the rim, can we have have the Earth  contain or be made of up many bar magnets, each with its north pole at the center?  It would look something like this:



I realize of course that there are certain problems with this model, but I think I can address them:

Q: Wouldn't be strong repulsive forces pushing the magnets apart, essentially tearing the Earth apart?

A: This force would definitely exist, but the picture is just to get an idea of the arrangements -- not the size or density -- of the magnets.  I don't mean to suggest that the entire Earth is comprised entirely of enormous magnets; merely that there is magnetic material mixed in with the nonmagnetic material, and that this magnetic material is arranged just like the magnetic material in bar magnets.

Q: What's with the hole in the middle?

A: Partly it was a way of decreasing the repulsive forces at the center of the world.  Partly it was, well, I figured it would be easier to accept the bar-magnet idea if the magnets were actually bar shaped.  Also, the figure isn't too scale; in reality the hole would be much smaller.  But don't forget, if you use a compass right on the north pole, it just spins around a lot, which is exactly what you'd expect from this model.  Lastly, this gives the model more freedom to place the magnetic north pole (see below).

Q: But the magnetic north pole isn't at the same place as the geographic north pole...

A: True, but I don't insist that all the bar magnets be equally strong.  Maybe bar magnet #7 is a bit stronger than the others, which would make compasses tend to point a bit more towards that one.  That's another reason to have the hole -- this way the magnetic north pole doesn't need to be right at the center.

As a final note, you should take this figure as a schematic; it's not meant to be to scale.  There would probably be many more than ten bar magnets, and each would be much narrower.  The hole is probably way too big, and there's no need for spaces in between the bar magnets.

So... comments?  Questions?

-Erasmus


Standing at that black circle would cause a compass to point south instead of north.  If you claim one of them is stronger than the rest then this would work next to one of the bar magnets (or close enough to any of them).
Glad im not the onyl one that saw how wrong that was when Tom posted it. 

Not to mention each on of those "magnets" would be picked up from a compass.  I dont know how they would like that. 
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« Reply #133 on: March 12, 2007, 05:03:48 PM »
Q: What's with the hole in the middle?

A: Partly it was a way of decreasing the repulsive forces at the center of the world.  Partly it was, well, I figured it would be easier to accept the bar-magnet idea if the magnets were actually bar shaped.  Also, the figure isn't too scale; in reality the hole would be much smaller.  But don't forget, if you use a compass right on the north pole, it just spins around a lot, which is exactly what you'd expect from this model.  Lastly, this gives the model more freedom to place the magnetic north pole (see below).

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« Reply #134 on: December 04, 2007, 09:51:41 PM »
Once again you'r theory is completely rediculous. How can it be possible that at the south pole, as observed in spherical Earth theory, we see a HIGHER DENSITY of magnetic field lines as they all converge to a single point. Your Flat Earth Theor would suggest that no such density increase would occur, or, the magnetic field would actually decrease as the size of the south end of the magnetic field is substantially greater than that of the North end. Lets not even consider how rediculous your hypothesis of the mechanics of the North pole works. That is beyond even the most capable college art student ::)
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« Reply #135 on: December 04, 2007, 10:00:52 PM »
This last post in this thread was nine fucking months ago.

What the hell is with noobs and resurrecting dead threads?

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« Reply #136 on: December 05, 2007, 09:13:43 PM »
What is it with morons like you not understanding the concepts involved in the thread. If noone wants to reply, noone will, its just too bad that poor FE theory has been disproved.

You showed your true colours here son. What kind of wanker calls someone a "Noob", I mean, for fucks sake how pathetic do you want to sound? Especially if the person you are refering to has been around a lot longer than yourself.
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« Reply #137 on: December 05, 2007, 09:22:17 PM »
O Rly?

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epic fail.
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« Reply #138 on: December 05, 2007, 09:58:18 PM »
Hardly. so he's been here a couple of months longer than me...I've still been around long enough. I find it sad though that someone can post almost 7 times on this forum a day everyday for over a year. Obviously has no life.
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« Reply #139 on: December 05, 2007, 10:26:54 PM »
Hardly. so he's been here a couple of months longer than me...I've still been around long enough. I find it sad though that someone can post almost 7 times on this forum a day everyday for over a year. Obviously has no life.
Says the person who managed 219 posts in the <2 hours they spent on the site. ::)

It doesn't matter how long you have been registered. If you resurrect dead threads like a noob, you are a noob.

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« Reply #140 on: December 05, 2007, 11:04:54 PM »
Hardly. so he's been here a couple of months longer than me...I've still been around long enough. I find it sad though that someone can post almost 7 times on this forum a day everyday for over a year. Obviously has no life.
Says the person who managed 219 posts in the <2 hours they spent on the site. ::)

It doesn't matter how long you have been registered. If you resurrect dead threads like a noob, you are a noob.

I registered 9 months ago, whether i spent 2 hours on here is irrelevant. The point is I won you lost, too bad, FE is defeated once again. I could simply start a new thread and say exactly the same thing, how bout it, it won't make a difference. Anyway I grow tired of bickering if you're not going to make a decent contribution don't say anything at all.
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« Reply #141 on: December 05, 2007, 11:05:40 PM »
I'm sorry, but what exactly did you win at?


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« Reply #142 on: December 06, 2007, 02:54:42 AM »
I disproved Flat Earth :D Thats why I restarted this thred. I'm still waiting for someone to come up with a FE theory that disproves my RE logic.
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« Reply #143 on: December 06, 2007, 07:29:32 AM »
I disproved Flat Earth :D Thats why I restarted this thred. I'm still waiting for someone to come up with a FE theory that disproves my RE logic.

You obviously don't understand the conspiracy. Your so-called "Spherical Earth observations" are produced by the conspiracy. 


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« Reply #144 on: December 06, 2007, 07:47:21 AM »

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« Reply #145 on: December 06, 2007, 04:14:20 PM »
Oxymoron?

Yep, its an oxymoron, because FE have the ability to refute my obviously inferior intellegence. It's a shame you're to stupid to actually understand what is going on and can only come up with pointless rhetoric in response to my legitimate argument.
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« Reply #146 on: December 06, 2007, 04:19:37 PM »
It's a shame you're to stupid to actually understand
Wow.  How ironic.


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« Reply #147 on: December 06, 2007, 06:51:08 PM »
I disproved Flat Earth :D
This is like saying "WE'VE WON THIS BATTLE!" when the battle hasn't even started yet.

I'm still waiting for someone to come up with a FE theory that disproves my RE logic.
RE logic of what?

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« Reply #148 on: December 07, 2007, 11:18:56 AM »
The point is I won you lost, too bad, FE is defeated once again.

This chick's flawless logic will destroy FES!!!!!

Oh, wait, it's still here?

Whoops, my bad.  Guess she didn't win after all.
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« Reply #149 on: December 07, 2007, 09:34:24 PM »

What is it with morons like you not understanding the concepts involved in the thread. If noone wants to reply, noone will, its just too bad that poor FE theory has been disproved.

You showed your true colours here son. What kind of wanker calls someone a "Noob", I mean, for fucks sake how pathetic do you want to sound? Especially if the person you are referring to has been around a lot longer than yourself.
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epic fail.

Hardly. so he's been here a couple of months longer than me...I've still been around long enough. I find it sad though that someone can post almost 7 times on this forum a day everyday for over a year. Obviously has no life.


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