Thought experiment.

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on October 09, 2025, 07:45:48 AM

Quote from: markjo on October 09, 2025, 05:18:04 AM

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on October 08, 2025, 10:03:49 PM

As long as you stay within the boundary, you are free to live how you want.  Materials, tools, and supplies will be provided upon request. (Scenario says items are available)

Would there be enough resources to fabricate one set of IronMan mk1 armor?

As a though experiment, sure why not.  If he escaped, it would be considered self sacrifice and one of the others would be killed at random.

Ok, how about 100 sets of armor?

Why not give them infinity stones and Thanos' glove?

Thought experiments have predefined terms.

Why not give them infinity stones and Thanos' glove?

Because using it would most likely kill the wielder.  Also because bulletproof armor is within the realm of possibility.

What if one of the prisoners is Blade?
Huh?
Bet you thought you were clever.



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Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on October 09, 2025, 04:09:10 PM

Why not give them infinity stones and Thanos' glove?

Because using it would most likely kill the wielder.  Also because bulletproof armor is within the realm of possibility.

If we were living in the realms of possibility, this scenario wouldn't exist.

Quote from: markjo on October 09, 2025, 05:11:45 PM

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on October 09, 2025, 04:09:10 PM

Why not give them infinity stones and Thanos' glove?

Because using it would most likely kill the wielder.  Also because bulletproof armor is within the realm of possibility.

If we were living in the realms of possibility, this scenario wouldn't exist.

If we were living in the realms of possibility, we wouldn't be discussing this scenario on a flat earth site.

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on October 09, 2025, 06:34:57 PM

Quote from: markjo on October 09, 2025, 05:11:45 PM

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on October 09, 2025, 04:09:10 PM

Why not give them infinity stones and Thanos' glove?

Because using it would most likely kill the wielder.  Also because bulletproof armor is within the realm of possibility.

If we were living in the realms of possibility, this scenario wouldn't exist.

If we were living in the realms of possibility, we wouldn't be discussing this scenario on a flat earth site.

So we agree.  The realms of possibility are irrelevant here.

I've read the supposed solution, it's dumb.

First you set up a boundary, then you apply the following rules:

First person who crosses the boundary, will be killed.  All others will be granted their freedom.

If someone tries to take one for the team (purposely be the one killed), one of remaining will be killed at random and the rest will be granted their freedom.

How would you differentiate between someone "taking one for the team" and someone just making a run for it?

If a group tries to force someone across the boundary, or be the last man, one person at random from that group will be killed, and everyone else will be granted their freedom.

If a group attempts to cross the boundary simultaneously, one person at random from that group will be killed, and everyone else will be granted their freedom.

So a 99% chance of survival vs being held prisoner for life? Bye bye prisoners.

If you try to cross the boundary en mass, the last person to cross the barrier is killed and the rest will be granted their freedom.

Sucks to be last then.  Bye bye everyone else.

D1 did leave out one important aspect from this dumb set up - they are all murderers, so you aren't meant to be granting anyone freedom anyway.

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If you try to cross the boundary en mass, the last person to cross the barrier is killed and the rest will be granted their freedom.

Sucks to be last then.  Bye bye everyone else.

Or, you render two people unconscious to be left behind while 98 go free.

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on October 08, 2025, 10:03:49 PM

I've read the supposed solution, it's dumb.

First you set up a boundary, then you apply the following rules:

First person who crosses the boundary, will be killed.  All others will be granted their freedom.

If someone tries to take one for the team (purposely be the one killed), one of remaining will be killed at random and the rest will be granted their freedom.

How would you differentiate between someone "taking one for the team" and someone just making a run for it?

That's irrelevant and on purpose.  That's the conundrum of the rule.  Both the first and last guys can be interpreted as a self sacrifice, putting the risk of being killed on everyone else.  Self preservation comes into play and thus the others will want to prevent that scenario. 

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on October 08, 2025, 10:03:49 PM

If a group tries to force someone across the boundary, or be the last man, one person at random from that group will be killed, and everyone else will be granted their freedom.

If a group attempts to cross the boundary simultaneously, one person at random from that group will be killed, and everyone else will be granted their freedom.

So a 99% chance of survival vs being held prisoner for life? Bye bye prisoners.

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If you try to cross the boundary en mass, the last person to cross the barrier is killed and the rest will be granted their freedom.

Sucks to be last then.  Bye bye everyone else.

D1 did leave out one important aspect from this dumb set up - they are all murderers, so you aren't meant to be granting anyone freedom anyway.

Actually no,  last can be interpreted as a self sacrifice.

Penguins gather at rhe sdge of a cliff knowing there are leopardsaels and orcas in the water.
They gather and gather until someone falls in.

If the prisoners, if they are individual criminals will self hierarchy and sacrifice someone.

If the prisoners are an opposing warring team then overpowering a captor is in the relm of "all charge amdnhope its not me" because its eactly what happens when the wwi whistle blew to charge.

The only way they dont chagre is if they didnt even want to fight in the first place where punishment for not obeying orders meant death.