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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Foucault pendulums

« on: May 25, 2014, 09:31:32 AM »

I have never been able to see one

For your information, I have built my own

Massive contradiction - are you going to post something true? There's no point trolling because it just wastes everybodies time; we did build our own, and it worked just fine with no magnets and no motor either - just a good push and a high ceiling.

How long did it swing for ?

We were doing other experiments whilst it was "doing its thing"; it wasn't timed or anything but at a rough guess it must have been a good 15 minutes. I've got photos of those physics labs hiding somewhere so I'll try and dig them out

15 minutes is not 24 hours. So how do you get it to swing for 24 hour with out intervention ?

The pendulum does not need to do a full "revolution" to observe the effect - in that case a few dominoes were placed around the low point and it took roughly that long for them to all be knocked over suggesting there was at least a "sideways" component; it did take a couple tries to get the swing down the middle of the dominoes though Public viewable pendulums often do the same thing too.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Foucault pendulums

« on: May 24, 2014, 10:29:41 PM »

The above image is from Google!
The blog it's from is even titled "Confirming Earths Rotation" - Vaxhaull believes it rotates! Good job guys

It's all over Google.  It's also posted HERE.

What's the problem exactly?
 

ausGeoff, what is that link?  The network security here at my work won't let me go there and I get a warning that says it is pornagraphy and my phone tells me that I have to install software in order to view the page.

Hehe being a page about fractals I guess you could call it porno for mathematicians

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Sunset

« on: May 24, 2014, 06:52:31 PM »

Coincidentally a post from another thread by acesuv is quite relevant here:



This is the day/night cycle spread across a whole year. In it we can see both equinoxes - demonstrated clearly by the north pole/ south pole going bright for a long period of time. On a sphere, this is of course described by the Earth's tilt - one part of the year the Earth is tilting towards the sun, thus the North pole is always lit, and the other part of the year the Earth is tilting away from the sun, thus the South pole is always lit.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Foucault pendulums

« on: May 24, 2014, 04:35:07 PM »

Our pendulum was of course used during a lesson - not exactly the time where people naturally pull out cameras; I was however a bit of an unusual student because I made a video about the history of the school itself. From this I do have an unusually large amount of photos and videos of the outside of the buildings, so I can at least give a rough idea of how high/wide the room was.

During a lesson. I do not have photos or videos of the pendulum moving. I made a video of the history of the school and ended up recording in most of the rooms, outside lesson time, so I felt like just maybe I had caught the pendulum at the side of one of those pictures/ videos (as it has basically lived at the side of the room on top of a bookcase since it was made).

I pretty certainly have photos of the labs inside too, but I have a strong feeling they'll just be passed off as "the pendulum isn't moving so therefore it's fake" or whatever

Again, here I was referring to the fact that any picture found would literally have been a weight sitting on top of a shelf, as again, it was out of lesson time, with a wire going off up to the roof. "You saying this doesn't show anything useful" is probably a better way of describing what I meant here.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Foucault pendulums

« on: May 24, 2014, 03:58:54 PM »

No actually I'm genuinely not. Obviously, people are incredibly concerned when there's other people using their identity, something which you have clearly just done on the internet. I'll be continually elevating it as long as you keep on being someone you are not.

I'm sure, LukeB.
Considering you're the one who pointed out what his name actually was, and my original crop was intended so as not to reveal anyone's identity. I only claimed that I was him when you backed me into a corner, even then I didn't even mention his name. If you want to play dirty, I can play that game too. But I suggest taking any legal matter into PMs or at least email me about it, because you really don't have much of a case here. You can keep fooling yourself though, if you'd like. 


As for the point at hand, you've plainly stated that you have photos of the pendulum. What's so hard about posting them?

I pretty certainly have photos of the labs inside too, but I have a strong feeling they'll just be passed off as "the pendulum isn't moving so therefore it's fake" or whatever

Vauxhall, coincidentally not even from Illinois (we have far more of a case than you probably think), you have clearly claimed to be someone you are not. It wasn't me who pointed out who the real person was - you actually gave us all we needed to find out. We didn't back you into a corner either; you put yourself in one by posting something that wasn't true at all, then fabricated it and even stole an identity to make your false story appear true. This is what criminals do; I was never expecting to come across that on this forum.

"I only claimed that I was him" by this you're presumably admitting it, but I think it's too late; I can try and defuse the situation but I obviously can't control the actions of people now involved.

Also, as you appear to be completely oblivious to how serious this is, a "lab" is not the same thing as a "pendulum".

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Foucault pendulums

« on: May 24, 2014, 03:10:12 PM »

I'm actively in communication with Dr Agbanusi - the real one; it seems we may have a case of identity theft here. Vauxhall, you are now risking a police investigation into your actions as there may have been other instances of this occurring. If I were you, I'd start telling the truth immediately before you make this worse.

You're bluffing, but fine. If you want to know the truth then it's not me in the picture. But the picture looks very similar to one that I made in the early 2000s. Now where is your pendulum?

My pendulum was at a school; I remember mentioning that it was during a lesson so I do not have photos of the pendulum itself but it's probably still there somewhere though. I have also seen others though such as the one at Griffith Observatory.

No actually I'm genuinely not. Obviously, people are incredibly concerned when there's other people using their identity, something which you have clearly just done on the internet. I'll be continually elevating it as long as you keep on being someone you are not.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Foucault pendulums

« on: May 24, 2014, 02:55:03 PM »

I'm actively in communication with Dr Agbanusi - the real one; it seems we may have a case of identity theft here. Vauxhall, you are now risking a police investigation into your actions as there may have been other instances of this occurring. This is very serious - if I were you, I'd start telling the truth immediately before you make this worse.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Foucault pendulums

« on: May 24, 2014, 02:09:19 PM »

We are on topic; we're currently talking about the photo of your pendulum, "Dr Abganusi" . It's obviously pulled from Google so you've clearly underestimated the capabilities of the internet as a lie detector - it's very good at it

So are you going to post your picture?

I've posted more photos than you have and mine are at least actually real I'm not going to keep searching for more photos for someone who continually lies, Dr Abganusi

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Foucault pendulums

« on: May 24, 2014, 02:05:30 PM »

Irrelevant.

Is it safe to assume each one of you lied when you said you had built a pendulum and were going to post a picture of it?

I believe they call this "pot calling kettle black"...

So, because you're lying, and you've been caught, we should assume everyone else is also lying?

Not very sound logic, "Dr Abganusi". 

What is it with REers putting words in my mouth? 

At least two of you claimed that you have photos of a working foucault pendulum. Not one of you have posted these "pictures". Until then, you're lying.

I'm the only one being honest here. You all are just pissed that I actually went through with posting the picture (which you assumed didn't exist) and now you're trying to nit pick every detail. You're missing the big picture, not to mention you're completely off-topic which goes against the rules of our forum.

After some analysis, the true original photograph was 2592 x 1944 pixels in size. This is larger than any available on the internet, so presuming you have the original file, you can upload this to prove that you categorically did not pull it from Google.

Post a picture of your pendulum and I'll comply with this. Otherwise, I see no reason to. I don't need to prove my identity to anyone... that was what I was trying to avoid in the first place.

Please try to stay on topic.

We are on topic; we're currently talking about the photo of your pendulum, "Dr Abganusi" . It's obviously pulled from Google so you've clearly underestimated the capabilities of the internet as a lie detector - it's very good at it

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Foucault pendulums

« on: May 24, 2014, 01:59:07 PM »

After some analysis, the true original photograph was 2592 x 1944 pixels in size. This is larger than any available on the internet, so presuming you have the original file, you can upload this to prove that you categorically did not pull it from Google.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Foucault pendulums

« on: May 24, 2014, 01:40:08 PM »

Better than that, I said I would build one if you posted pics of yours that you didn't just get from google.

Guess we can forget that part, but I might build one anyway, though I'm not sure I have access to anywhere tall enough. Would be a cool thing to do though. If I ever get round to it, you can be sure I'll post a video.

You can't prove the picture is "from Google". Believe it or not, lots of pictures end up on the internet. Do you know how the internet works? Do you even know how Google works? Lol.

Anybody can do a search and pick out an image - it's not hard. And yes, I at least do know how both work

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Foucault pendulums

« on: May 24, 2014, 01:27:29 PM »

You're the Dr Ikemefuna Agbanusi? Better and better, so with your doctorate in maths and your particular interest in stochastic reaction diffusion equations, you are probably our member most qualified in maths.

Would you mind explaining this proof which you derived here in layman's terms? Pure maths was never my strong point.

Hehe, good luck with that one

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Foucault pendulums

« on: May 24, 2014, 01:20:34 PM »

The above image is from Google!
The blog it's from is even titled "Confirming Earths Rotation" - Vaxhaull believes it rotates! Good job guys

I didn't type up the findings, someone else did. I am the man in the picture, though. Also, this picture was taken a long time ago... I didn't subscribe to any theories.

It's ok Vauxhall, we know you believe it's round really Especially as the blog is about them doing it for/ with a group of people - more specifically a math club. You, (Ike), also look pretty chuffed - you must've been overwhelmed with the evidence of rotation; good for you!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Foucault pendulums

« on: May 24, 2014, 01:12:12 PM »

The above image is from Google!
The blog it's from is even titled "Confirming Earths Rotation" - Vaxhaull believes it rotates! Good job guys

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Foucault pendulums

« on: May 24, 2014, 01:04:49 PM »

Clearly the punchline to Vauxhall's little joke is that imgur is part of the conspiracy.

Certainly seems like it's heading that way doesn't it lol

The image link is broken:
http://i.imgur.com/Lh83o84dfK.jpg

Imgur works fine, your link is literally to an imgur fail page, not to a real gallery page where my ISP is just showing me a missing picture.

Why don't you try linking to an actual picture?

It shows up for me. Maybe you're doing something wrong.

So you all are masters at hotlinks and imgur url code? Give me a break. 

Actually yes, I'm a sofware developer - I've made that quite clear in many of my posts. If I couldn't load URLs I think I would have bigger things to worry about than what shape the Earth is

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Foucault pendulums

« on: May 24, 2014, 12:55:37 PM »

Why don't you post some pictures of yours, Vauxhall?

If you post something that isn't straight from google this time, I'll make my own and post pics of that too. We can be Foucault buddies.

Here's the post. I see the picture just fine.

Maybe your ISP is blocking the picture?

Nope, imgur itself reports the image as either missing or not there at your link: http://i.imgur.com/Lh83o84dfK.jpg - ISP blocks are at the DNS level (i.e. imgur wouldn't load at all).



I have 2 ISPs though so for the sake of clarity I'll try the other one. Edit: nope, nothing.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Foucault pendulums

« on: May 24, 2014, 12:29:52 PM »

Nice pictures of a school and an overhead rip from Google Earth...

What does this prove, exactly? 

"..so I can at least give a rough idea of how high/wide the room was"

One of the obvious limitations of a Foucault pendulum is it requires height and space; Here I'm simply trying to show you that the lab had sufficient space to do it inside. I'm also actively looking for further pictures - these are just what I've been pulling up as I go. Do you have at least any pictures of the location or setup of your pendulum as Clown asked?

Please post a picture of your pendulum.

I already posted a picture of mine. It's a few posts back. Pay attention.

There is an empty post a few posts back so I'm not sure if that was some kind of joke, or you made a typo. Apart from that though no you didn't - there are no other pendulum photos or links in this whole thread other than one posted by V. I've just double checked. That was a straight pointless lie so I'm not sure what you're even trying to achieve?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Foucault pendulums

« on: May 24, 2014, 12:21:44 PM »

Nice pictures of a school and an overhead rip from Google Earth...

What does this prove, exactly? 

"..so I can at least give a rough idea of how high/wide the room was"

One of the obvious limitations of a Foucault pendulum is it requires height and space; Here I'm simply trying to show you that the lab had sufficient space to do it inside. I'm also actively looking for further pictures - these are just what I've been pulling up as I go. Do you have at least any pictures of the location or setup of your pendulum as Clown asked?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Foucault pendulums

« on: May 24, 2014, 12:09:13 PM »

Our pendulum was of course used during a lesson - not exactly the time where people naturally pull out cameras; I was however a bit of an unusual student because I made a video about the history of the school itself. From this I do have an unusually large amount of photos and videos of the outside of the buildings, so I can at least give a rough idea of how high/wide the room was. The labs are your classical 1960's gable quadrangle (no false ceilings - the lab goes right up to the apex of the roof).

This one here gives a good idea of how tall the building is:


This shows the quadrangle from above, marking the camera direction of the above photo and the swing direction of the pendulum:

The pendulum itself swings along the lab, just about wall to wall, and is anchored to the apex of the roof.

Another view along the front:


I pretty certainly have photos of the labs inside too, but I have a strong feeling they'll just be passed off as "the pendulum isn't moving so therefore it's fake" or whatever

here's no point trolling because it just wastes everybodies time;

I think you may have come to the wrong forum.

Lol very true - I'm not sure why I'm even bothering but hey it's a nice bit of evening entertainment reading some of the stuff that goes on here

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Foucault pendulums

« on: May 24, 2014, 10:54:26 AM »

I have never been able to see one

For your information, I have built my own

Massive contradiction - are you going to post something true? There's no point trolling because it just wastes everybodies time; we did build our own, and it worked just fine with no magnets and no motor either - just a good push and a high ceiling.

How long did it swing for ?

We were doing other experiments whilst it was "doing its thing"; it wasn't timed or anything but at a rough guess it must have been a good 15 minutes. I've got photos of those physics labs hiding somewhere so I'll try and dig them out

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Foucault pendulums

« on: May 24, 2014, 10:45:18 AM »

I have never been able to see one

For your information, I have built my own

Massive contradiction - are you going to post something true? There's no point trolling because it just wastes everybodies time; we did build our own, and it worked just fine with no magnets and no motor either - just a good push and a high ceiling.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Foucault pendulums

« on: May 24, 2014, 10:30:34 AM »

Charles, can you explain though how it is that the Foucault pendulum rotates exactly once per day?

I have never been able to see one, but I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that they're real for the sake of argument. They could easily be powered by an electric motor, and you'd be none the wiser.

There's one in just about every science museum, but why not build your own - many years ago we had one in my school suspended from the (high) roof; all it was made from was some fishing wire and a hook weight. Doing it over staircases is quite affective too. In order to see the effect with a shorter pendulum like this, one easy technique is swing it quite hard and place some objects standing up around the low point of the pendulum.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds

« on: May 22, 2014, 12:25:02 PM »

If this link works there is a picture of the sun casting a shadow of a mountain on the underside of the clouds. (You have to scroll down a bit.)

http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.co.uk/2011_10_01_archive.html

Easily explainable on a round earth.

Great photo. Specifically, mathsman is referring to this one:



How do you flat earther's explain this one? There can be zero doubt that the sun's light is hitting the bottom of the clouds, except where the mountain is casting its shadow of course.

I'm glad at least we can move past the predictable responses of 'optical illusion' or other such absurdities about cloud density and the like.

Wow that's beautiful! It's amazing how something so simple, like a mountain, can do something as lovely as that.

Presumably this is another case of bendy light bending in whatever way is necessary to make the flat earth appear round to anyone who doesn't know better.

I suppose this image is actually a double whammy - the edges of the shadow look pretty straight to me so I can't see how anybody can claim light can bend yet suddenly go straight to fit the pattern we see here.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds

« on: May 21, 2014, 11:21:34 AM »

Draw time: 6 minutes.

Polite request for more productive posts please The post of mine quoted here was an attempt at trying to show how quick and easy drawing a diagram is; nobody is asking for a masterpiece - just a simple sketch that answers the question posed in the first post will be wonderful.

Current thread summary
FE comments: 12
Diagrams: 0
Has anybody answered the question? No.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds

« on: May 21, 2014, 08:11:18 AM »

MS Paint works for crap on Linux.

I'm sure you are a GIMP

@LukeB - you are my favourite poster.  You win 2 internets.

Haha thanks; Not just one but 2!?! I'm honoured Your posts are always awesome for a good lol - keep up the great work!



Current thread summary
FE comments: 11
Diagrams: 0
Has anybody answered the question? No.

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The Lounge / Re: Limes and 1emons!

« on: May 21, 2014, 08:02:28 AM »

Rub4rb Rhubarb
1emon lime
0range Orange
4pple Apple

Other ones seem to work ok for me! I wonder why the dislike of certain fruits hehe

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds

« on: May 21, 2014, 07:52:33 AM »

Draw time: 6 minutes.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds

« on: May 21, 2014, 02:02:27 AM »

Here's another example - this one is very clearly lit from underneath. We have a good view of the side and it's very dark:

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Bendy Light and Sunset Clouds

« on: May 21, 2014, 01:52:17 AM »

Here you go.



The sun is obviously behind these clouds, yet some of them appear to glow quite brightly.  Also, notice that some of the clouds appear to be dark.  These clouds are more dense than the others.

I agree that they appear to be glowing, but their glowing around the edges (as the edges are the thinnest part, so let more light through of course) - the middle of the clouds are dark. If your notion is correct, it should be the other way around; the middle of the clouds from the cameras point of view should be brightly lit (i.e. the "underside" should be lit from the suns point of view; here it's dark). We can also see the "god rays" in your image which suggest that light travels straight.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The earth's core.

« on: May 21, 2014, 01:49:05 AM »

As a gay, white christian male, I have been told I'm going to hell for almost three decades. They say volcanoes spew out some some of hell fire from the, "center of the earth". Do the fires from hell perpetually burn, thus making volcanoes erupt? I mean, I don't think the earth has a hot core, with the mantle and the crust on top. So hell must be underneath us and very, very real?

If this is a genuine question, don't bother wasting your life by taking on board what other people think about you; well done for being open and honest about it. Without love there would be no nature at all, so viewing pretty much everything to do with love (in all it's shapes and forms) as a "sin" is obviously pretty broken. As for your actual question I'm not sure who it's directed at but "down there" works better with a sphere, and looking at the science is the best place to start. Instantly assuming that hell is "very, very" real is of course a little naive - nobodies seen it, so that makes it less likely; the scientific explanations have side effects which can be easily seen and predicted on the surface, such as how earthquakes work and continental drift. They match up with what we observe, so that makes them more likely. A main observation is also the existence of the Earth's magnetic field which wobbles in strength, suggesting that there's something metallic and it's also liquid. Liquid metal => it's probably pretty hot!