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Flat Earth General / Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth

« on: August 04, 2017, 06:55:34 AM »

Well Napoleon, that i exactly what I stated in the topic and you are telling me NO? Read the topic. I also explained what I meant several times and other posters continued to let crap roll out of their ignorant mouths continuing to say that I only use my senses. No one listens. They just want to argue.

The Earth is not round, nor flat. It is a Donut... Is this your belief?

OK, let's give you another chance to explain yourself about trusting your own senses:
on a clear morning, you see a sharp sun, in full size rising slowly behind a sharp horizon...
(you do not see it grow in size above the horizon as it comes nearer)
How does this observation fit in your theory?

Oh, how kind of you. Thank you mi Lord. My eldest daughter's birthday celebration was last night, just getting a bit of shut-eye. I'll respond this weekend.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Question.

« on: August 03, 2017, 04:42:05 AM »

How does a lunar eclipse work on a flat earth?

I would begin with Ptolemy  http://www.caeno.org/pdf/Stephenson_Historical%20eclipses_Ptolemy%20Babylon.pdf

No, Ptolemy doesn't help.  The lunar eclipse can't be explained without introducing an additional unseen object,  Most refer to it as the shadow object,  and it mysteriously appears whenever a lunar eclipse ocuurs, then vanishes immediately thereafter.   

Nice to see you getting into flat earth theory,  it's an interesting field.   Have a go at explaining sunsets, or why the horizon is a sharp line on a clear day. 

Have you managed to educate yourself about the moonshramp?

I thought Ptolemy predicted many eclipses? I also thought maybe the poster would do more research after Ptolemy. Which articles do you suggest?

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Flat Earth General / Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth

« on: August 03, 2017, 04:35:21 AM »

Well Napoleon, that i exactly what I stated in the topic and you are telling me NO? Read the topic. I also explained what I meant several times and other posters continued to let crap roll out of their ignorant mouths continuing to say that I only use my senses. No one listens. They just want to argue.

The Earth is not round, nor flat. It is a Donut... Is this your belief?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why is there no definitive map that the FE group can agree upon?

« on: August 03, 2017, 04:22:39 AM »

It seems a working map would be the backbone of their belief.  Every time the subject of distances comes up and it just doesn't fit with the flat earth map, the response is always "You are not using the correct map" or "That isn't the actual map" (or something like that).

The instance I used was that it takes 12 hours to fly from Aukland, New Zealand to Buenos Aires, Argentina; however, based on the flat earth map - that is impossible.  It would take at least twice as long.

C'mon folks, making a map is NOT that hard.  Finding distances between two points is NOT that hard.

They are basing their entire belief on something that they can't agree upon... A MAP ... ... ... ... very interesting.
They are basing their entire belief on "ifs", and "possibly's", and "maybe's"... ... ... ... VERY INTERESTING.

Please, just give me the REAL working flat earth map and I will base ALL of my calculations on that.  Don't say - "Well, that isn't the real map"

This is the map I used.  It seemed to be the best map out there with a scale.

The map you used in my opinion is the one you should use and it was also posted in the forums in January of this year https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=69069.0 

The UN uses a flat map that is the Biblical map without much information. The olive leaves are said to stand for Antarctica which is my belief and where the leaves end, IMO, is the edge of Earth. Funny the UN uses it. Such mockery.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Question.

« on: August 03, 2017, 03:25:02 AM »

How does a lunar eclipse work on a flat earth?

I would begin with Ptolemy  http://www.caeno.org/pdf/Stephenson_Historical%20eclipses_Ptolemy%20Babylon.pdf

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Flat Earth General / Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth

« on: August 03, 2017, 03:08:05 AM »

I simply stated "My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth." I threw nothing down anyone's throat for the poster who thinks I was trying to.

I have explained several times what I meant; yet still, yahoos are stuck on stupid that I only use my senses alone to justify theory. Hmmmm  Well; that's all you've got, I guess.

I certainly do not need a grammar lesson, but thanks. I am a writer. I have seen; many times, people writing god rather than God.

Call me TROLL in huge, bold and in the color red if it makes you feel better about yourself to insult me. That was pretty ignorant!

I wonder; if our viewpoints were reversed, how silly I would sound to you. A magical spinning ball revolving around the sun. Such nonsense. Further, debunking all flat Earth experiments and videos shows you are closed-minded. We all had to learn about the spinning ball in school. Not everyone believes. Sorry, and we do not have to. Different viewpoints create deliberation and answers, which inevitably lead to revolution and/or truth. You are narrow-minded. I am not. I am looking for truth. You are stuck on BS. A spinning ball in space...give me a break. I certainly do not care if this is your belief; however, I don't think open-minded people (that which you call yourselves) should insult others for their beliefs.

Here are more experiments you can debunk the second you hear them instead of having an open mind and taking the time to see the possibility that some of this may be true.

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Flat Earth General / Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth

« on: August 02, 2017, 07:02:50 AM »

Unfortunately, I do not have the time, as I did the other day to quote all comments. I will answer what I see relevant, which is NOT much. Telling me that I formed a belief system based on my young age and imagination certainly can be true because that is what most children do. Unfortunately, everything is not THAT black and white. Just because most children do, does not mean a small percentage of us have belief systems that are not based on something else. If you are open-minded enough to believe that we live on a magical spinning ball; then, you should be open to other options. Take a course in epistemology! Unfortunately you seem to need to put your thinking caps on. There are a few who thought I was insane and turned and accepted my point of view in the past few years. Therefore; I accomplished what I was sent here for. OK, laugh now. You don't know me; what my journey is about, yet you choose to insult me. You should be more concerned with navigating you own journey, not mine or any other.

Think seriously here, please. I had not read the bible; nor, had I attended school before the age of 3. I did not have a need to ask why the sky is blue because there was no need for ME. I am 51, so you can stop guessing my age. Why do we not cross boundaries/borders? We are told not to.?! Why is a wedding band a symbol of 2 people's love for each other and marriage? We are told to believe a piece of metal is a symbol. Why do we recognize a piece of a tree as having the value of $10 and so forth? We are told to. We are told this system works. What is reality? What is hyper-reality? We are puppets (well, I choose not to be). That makes me open-minded so please stop calling me narrow-minded. Narrow minded people believe what they are told to believe.

Why was Disneyland created? Disney World? So that we can believe that Disney is the ultimate illusion and that we are living reality. No; my friends, we are living in a matrix of lies and you fall for it. Why do many people capitalize World Wide Web when you do not capitalize God, unless you are a Jew? Why is Google capitalized. It is simply google and the world wide web. How brainwashing!!! These are the things we should capitalize? Why do we not capitalize the word me? Are we not important? I guess the WWW is more important! Brainwashing, and most do not see it.

If you never know how you have been brainwashed, you will call some of us nuts! I am simply NOT brainwashed and I have a very open mind. Just because I do not share your viewpoints does not make me an idiot. Stop saying that I had my imagination and viewpoints as a child and it followed me throughout school and that is why I did not believe what I was taught. Get this...I do NOT have to believe what I was taught in this matrix of lies. I was taught by a higher power, so insult me, think I am crazy as you do to those who believe the same as I do. I am NOT the only one. Shoot me, hang me on a cross, do what you need to do. My only hope is that you WAKE UP.

Is it so wrong to have my own mind?

For those of you in awe that I was afraid I was going to fall off of a ball spinning in space, shame on you! You cannot break away from your belief system long enough to understand another. You do not deserve to be called open minded, intelligent, researchers/practitioners. You do not try to understand. Inquisitive you are NOT. You have one mind frame that comes from the words of others. I do not and I am not afraid to say so. This is a struggle for you and you tell me I am wrong, crazy and so forth. Shame on you. The voices of WASPS continue to speak from their graves and you listen? Who is brainwashed? Who is narrow-minded? Not me. I have my own mind and I am happy when others share my viewpoint. I was lucky enough to have an awakening last year as a few other people I know had one at the same age. I felt comforted. It was not my intention to argue with you. It was my intent to tell you something I KNOW. I don't expect you to believe me, but at least common courtesy would have been nice. I thought I signed up here for like minded people. Deliberation is just that and is typically intelligent...not name calling.

You are absolutely oblivious that opposing viewpoints are necessary to learn. Instead, your fear that there may be another truth and that forces you to retaliate and speak down to me and others. If that's what makes you happy...have a ball.

Wars are egged on by the elite. It is not for the purpose of money as people state. Money is not necessary or real. Power and slavery are. This results in population control, but many do not see this. We are running out of resources and 7 billion people on Earth are a threat to the elite and their kin. DUH in layman's terms. How does one go about claiming resources for their own kind? They hide things from you. They have been doing a great job until people discovered their lies. We live in a perfect little system where most people work for someone else and pay high bills and lead productive lives!!! Right? How is it productive to be a puppet, working for others with barely and benefits? I know...you are so busy worrying about paying those bills, having the biggest house, the fastest cars and the bigger burger that you do not know who YOU really are or what you love in.

One of the oldest books in history, written by people, not by God has been burned and re-written dozens of times. Yet, pictures of a moon landing seem to be a more believing source of information. I am not a bible thumper nor will I capitalize the word bible. The elite have changed everything known as truth throughout the centuries to put you where you are now. In absolute oblivion as THEIR puppets. How does it feel to be brainwashed puppets?

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Flat Earth General / Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth

« on: August 01, 2017, 03:01:54 AM »

What is your doctorate in?

Advanced studies in human behaviour.

Have you come across the Dunning-Kruger effect in your Advanced studies in human behaviour? If not, you should look it up!👍

Why wouldn't I have come across it? You are all so complimenting here! Not attractive

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Flat Earth General / Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth

« on: August 01, 2017, 02:47:49 AM »

What is your doctorate in?

I think she's doing a psych research project on flat earthers,  or maybe  just likes debating. 

For one year I was afraid to go outside or ride on a swing with my youngest daughter. I was afraid I was going to fall off of this supposed magical ball that spins in space. I was truly afraid.

Seems hard to believe.

My major is human behaviour; however, I am not doing a project.

Why is it hard to believe. You are coming from a standpoint of believing we live on a ball. You have found your security within your belief system. I never, not once thought we lived on a ball. Since I can remember, before school, I believed we live on a flat Earth with a protected dome. No one taught me that. That was my security according to my belief system. Take that away and my security is threatened. How does this not make sense? Maybe see outside of your belief system and realize that others have their own belief systems and it wouldn't be so hard to believe. I was genuinely afraid.

If you were told that the vehicle you were driving can defy gravity (for whatever reason, just saying), your belief system would change a little bit. Your security would be threatened. You may ask yourself, "How this can be? Should I drive this car again?"

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Flat Earth General / Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth

« on: August 01, 2017, 02:36:55 AM »

What is your doctorate in?

Advanced studies in human behaviour.

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Flat Earth General / Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth

« on: August 01, 2017, 02:33:52 AM »

Hello. I never thought Earth was a globe. I am new to this forum; however, I am not new to truth and FE ideology. Children have thoughts about who they are and where they live. I ALWAYS  thought I was protected by a dome and lived in sort of an aquarium type home. In school, I never accounted for the globe being anything BUT a theory. I apparently did not understand why there was a globe in all of the classrooms. It wasn't until I was in my late 30's early 40s, OK so maybe 10 or 12 years ago that I had a discussion with one of my daughter's friend about living on a ball that I was completely disorientated for approximately one year. He stated such things as living on a globe and I said we do not. We couldn't possibly. For one year I was afraid to go outside or ride on a swing with my youngest daughter. I was afraid I was going to fall off of this supposed magical ball that spins in space. I was truly afraid.

When I have flat earth arguments with people they think I am insane for saying that I know Earth is flat because I cannot conceive of a ball spinning in space. It makes no sense and if I cannot conceive of it, it just can't be. They do not understand that comment. They ask if I think I know something to be true SIMPLY because I cannot CONCEIVE of it? I say no, my intelligence on IQ tests scored high in verbal and geometric areas. I mean, a magical round ball that a plane cannot possibly land on without an anchor? Come on!!! Really? The elite are something. Lies upon lies. I am so tired of arguing and showing proof that globalists respond by saying, "That is not proof!" OK. People have known Earth is flat for as long as our existence and for 500 years society has been told we live on a magical ball. Who owes the burden of proof? They do. We have proof, they do not. Oh, man was on the moon. Please prove this!!! Thanks for listening.

You might suffer from a psychological disorder. I recommend visiting a professional.

You say this because you have a masters or doctorate in psychology?

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Flat Earth General / Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth

« on: August 01, 2017, 02:20:35 AM »

Hello. I never thought Earth was a globe.

Since this thread is about your senses being proof of a flat earth, what do your senses tell you happens to the sun after sunset?  Is it still some 3000 miles above some other part of the flat earth, or did it sink below the edge of the flat earth?

Maybe I was not clear. I am guided by my senses as we all are. This is where all theory begins. My senses tell me Earth is flat and then naturally, I come to conclusions as to why I feel a certain way and I do research. I believe in a dome and then sun revolving in a disc above us. This accounts for night and day and season change.

But does it account for the sun appearing to sink below the horizon as my eyes are telling me that it does?

We have two different beliefs. Our perception is biased toward our beliefs. You believe in a sphere as a ball. I believe in a sphere as a dome over flat Earth. Same shape and shadows no matter how we cut it. You see a horizon, I see a line from a dome encircling flat Earth which is not space but water making it look like your horizon. You believe the earth spins and I believe the sun and moon revolve above flat Earth in a firmament revolving disc-like around and across the dome to account for days and seasons.

It is highly unlikely that the sun can sink at the edge in water. Sarcasm?

That's one of the reasons that the flat earth model doesn't make sense: my eyes tell me one thing (sun sinking below the horizon), but logic tells me another (still daylight a few time zones west).  Which am I supposed to believe?

I let my senses and my heart guide my questions. There is a foundation for everything and inquiry is built from senses. How other than relying first on our senses can we generate questions? My heart; well, it allows for me to accept opposing viewpoints. Not unlike the scientific method.

First we have to make observations. This is dependent upon our senses, the foundation of all inquiry. If your eyes are telling you something and it is in question, form a hypothesis and conduct your experiment to find a conclusion. Not so easy when it comes to this argument though because there are things that we cannot do or not allowed to do in order to learn the answer. In that case, I will use some information from my opposing viewpoints and see if I can find a conclusion there. It is not impossible for the sun and moon to revolve above Earth. If I thought it was impossible, I would not preach it. Honestly, when you think about a magical spinning ball in space, there really are no impossibilities.

Epistemolgically speaking, a smart/wise person says I know nothing. If we did, this argument would not exist. I sincerely take anything I learn or feel into consideration. If the sun and Earth move further apart by 15 cm. per year, global warming should not be getting worse. If we move apart at that rate yearly, the sun will cease to keep us warm and supply the energy we need. Global warming is said to be caused by the greenhouse effect. That is a cute way to explain away the dome/aquarium I believe we live in where the gases we make from pollution is what is destroying us because if we live under a dome, these gases would definitely have a greenhouse effect. Just as we see a boat disappear on the ocean, so will the sun due to distance. The sun and moon explain a lot to me. Apollo pictures and an horizon explain noting to me. The picture to me and others are fake. The horizon is another created word to explain away the dome and does not account for distance. We may never see eye to eye until we all look at all of the possibilities. I believe that globalists repeat information they have learned while we continue to come up with our own information which is no easy feat when we are only allowed to perform a handful of experiments due to financing and legalities.

Although I do not accept videos and pictures as always being valid sources of evidence, I have to watch videos of flat earth believers conducting experiments because it is all we have at this point. People have flown cameras above earth to show there is no curvature. People show how gravity is defied daily, people show how the sun rotates above Earth and not the other way around. We have to start somewhere. One of my daughters and I have noticed on several occasions that the moon is revolving and that we are not actually orbiting anything. It is as plain as day. Many people have seen this. We can't all have unreliable eyes. It is as plain as day and when people say to rely on your senses folks, Earth is flat, I have to agree because our senses are the foundation of all inquiry. The sun appears to disappear below the horizon as does a boat that disappears due to distance.

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Flat Earth General / Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth

« on: August 01, 2017, 12:56:20 AM »

Looking out your window is not evidence for a flat or round earth.

Just like every other inquisitive person, my senses are the foundation of inquiry leading to theory. I do not use my senses alone as proof. Looking out of my window, flying in a plane, standing, a cruise ship,

On the "straight horizon" maybe have a look at this video " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Proving the Earth is not Flat - Part 1 - The Horizon and get a bit of balance!

and logic, research and knowing that engineers do not account for curvature when building bridges and so forth are all a part of my belief that Earth is flat.

The Nile river having no curvature whatsoever is another clue.

And where did you get that information? Not by "looking at it!" I'll vouch it came from a Flat Earth YouTube Video.
On the Globe, the Nile river does flow downhill.

When building, if we do not have to account for curvature;

What is to allow for? City building blocks vary in size but might be say, 100 m × 200 m.
A measure of the earth's curvature would be how much the edge of a block is below the centre.
The edge of the 100 m side is only 0.2 mm "lower" that the centre and the edge of the 200 m side is only 0.8 mm "lower" than the centre.

So, who cares - the block is simply levelled!

it is simply, because it does not exist!

No, "we do not have to account for curvature" in building sites because it is completely negligible.

How hard is that for people to understand?

I often wonder that, but I gues the problem is simply that flat earthers cannot comprehend how large the earth really is.

That is proof in itself and globalists deny any real proof

No, we do not deny anything - there is usually a simple explanation for all these issues.

but expect us to believe in fake pictures of a moon landing. Come on, there is no balance here.

I don't "expect you to believe in fake pictures of a moon landing". That has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.
Pretty pictures are nice, but not necessary.
The Globe has been considered the shape of the earth for over 2300 years and the Heliocentric Globe for 300 or 400 years.

If there is curvature, how tall would the mid-point of a bridge be? It would have to be an arc shape. Make sense?

For a kilometer long single span the centre would be a whole 20 mm above the ends, but do you know something?
Bridges do have much more curvature than this:

5. Humber Bridge, England – 1,410 m

6. Jiangyin Suspension Bridge, China – 1,385 m

7. Tsing Ma Bridge, China – 1,377 m

They all seem to curve up by much more than 20 mm, though this is not because of the earth's curvature, that's almost unmeasurable in that length.

Thank you for having decency and intelligence. We don't get anywhere calling each other trolls. I would rather learn from someone than be called a troll and vice-versa. My topic may be misleading; but, as I have explained, I did not mean to sound the way it looks. I am on a 3 1/2 year sabbatical (in a doctoral program). I do know about research more than anything that I have learned because they practically beat it into us even before graduate school. I don't care if these people think I don't know what I am talking about because I do. I am not an idiot. I just expect intelligent interaction. Thank you for doing so. I will research what you have told me. Thank you!

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Flat Earth General / Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth

« on: August 01, 2017, 12:28:23 AM »

Your senses only tell you that YOUR WORLD is flat.

The Earth is FAR bigger than your world. Your senses are not tuned to that scale.

Also, they're wrong.

Respectfully, you do not know me and to which scale my senses are tuned. I am not saying that my senses are proof of flat Earth.

Respectfully, the title of the thread you started is:

My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth

So are your senses proof of a flat earth or not?

I am saying that my senses tell me Earth is flat and from there I draw conclusions as to why and then do research.

Your senses provide information to your brain; your brain interprets what your senses are telling it according to your experiences, perceptions, and biases.

For instance:

When I have flat earth arguments with people they think I am insane for saying that I know Earth is flat because I cannot conceive of a ball spinning in space. It makes no sense and if I cannot conceive of it, it just can't be.

Your eyes provide information to your brain. Your preconceptions "know Earth is flat" and "cannot conceive of a ball spinning in space" so you conclude, "It makes no sense and if I cannot conceive of it, it just can't be." Ergo: "your senses" (actually, your mind) tell you the earth is not a ball spinning in space.

It wasn't until I was in my late 30's early 40s, OK so maybe 10 or 12 years ago that I had a discussion with one of my daughter's friend about living on a ball that I was completely disorientated for approximately one year. He stated such things as living on a globe and I said we do not. We couldn't possibly. For one year I was afraid to go outside or ride on a swing with my youngest daughter. I was afraid I was going to fall off of this supposed magical ball that spins in space. I was truly afraid.

Hadn't your senses been telling your for some 40 years that you don't "fall off" the globe even if you're on a swing? Why did you suddenly stop believing your own life-long experiences?

We all use our senses first for inquiry that leads to theory hypotheses. What else can we start with? Our senses are the first epistemological natural source for inquiry and reasoning. The question is; is there a reason to believe that a person's senses are not reliable due to being color blind, blind, wears glasses, deaf etc. depending on the research at hand.

If the research is about color, then, yes, being color blind would make someone's senses unreliable.

My senses do not just tell me that MY world is flat. My senses tell me that OUR world is flat. My senses also tell me that it is an impossibility to land a plane on a spinning ball. Sorry.

How would your senses tell you that last one? Your vision tells you a plane landed. That's all. It's your biases that tell you it's impossible to land a plane on a spinning ball.

I am so tired of arguing and showing proof that globalists respond by saying, "That is not proof!"

Too bad; get used to it. What you're showing them isn't proof and never will be. You're confusing your own opinion with proof, and, most likely, what you're explaining to them makes no sense and isn't even correct.

This is a very strange thread. So much muddled thought and internal contradiction in so few posts.

I have already been called a troll a few times. Yes I started the thread by saying MY senses, I did not state 5 senses as another member assumed I use 5, and I also said in the title MY proof. We all have different experiences, correct? I was born with thoughts of living under a dome; an aquarium. No one told me to believe that. No one ever mentioned it at such a young age. I never asked my mom why the sky is blue. I assumed it was water above us. I began school at 3 and I am guessing at 5 is when we began discussing the world. I already had my ideas about this world. That is why I freaked out and thought I could fall off of the ball late in life. My security was threatened. It really is that simple.

My vision doesn't just tell me a plane landed. It is not that simple for me is clearly what no one understands and that is my fault because explaining that there are things I have known and I don't know why agitates people. It is my opinion (no insult intended) that globalists have it made. You were told a story and that's it. Galileo, Copernicus, Sir Isaac Newton and Einstein figured the rest out. I along with other FE'rs are forced to bear the burden of proof, although it should be globalists bearing this burden. After all, this story of a sphere was not accepted until 500 years ago and without appropriate technology to prove a thing. Planes weren't even in existence.

I give respect and listen and try to see possibilities in what people are trying to convey. I do not get the same respect. Instead I am called a troll. Of course my 5 senses alone are not used as my only source for knowing; however, I do trust my 6th more than all 5. My point in this particular paragraph is that I am not a troll for believing that I know something that we will eventually have proof for. The problem is that even a mention of some kind of proof makes the globalists (at least here) become more aggressive and name calling begins as a way to avoid a question I would like someone to answer.

Why is it so hard to answer or give an opinion as to why; if we live on a ball, don't engineers account for curvature? Why don't bridges look like arcs unless by design?

Thanks for your response.

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Flat Earth General / Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth

« on: July 31, 2017, 09:57:54 PM »

Looking out your window is not evidence for a flat or round earth.

Just like every other inquisitive person, my senses are the foundation of inquiry leading to theory. I do not use my senses alone as proof. Looking out of my window, flying in a plane, standing, a cruise ship, and logic, research and knowing that engineers do not account for curvature when building bridges and so forth are all a part of my belief that Earth is flat. The Nile riving having no curvature whatsoever is another clue. When building, if we do not have to account for curvature; it is simply, because it does not exist! How hard is that for people to understand? That is proof in itself and globalists deny any real proof but expect us to believe in fake pictures of a moon landing. Come on, there is no balance here. If there is curvature, how tall would the mid-point of a bridge be? It would have to be an arc shape. Make sense?

Your trolling game is weak. The other ones were better.

Yet you globalists keep proving my point. Engineers are valid sources. Why has no one answered the question about the bridges and arcs? I know, because that would prove there is NO ball that you speak of. Can someone be kind or intelligent enough to answer that question?

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Flat Earth General / Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth

« on: July 31, 2017, 09:39:20 PM »

How sad that you've restricted your reality to only that which your 5 limited senses can detect. You're not even worth debating with, so narrow is your mind.

Clearly my senses are used as are yours as a foundation for further inquiry. Let us not be ridiculous. Besides, I use more than 5 senses. You should try it. I don't remember limiting myself to 5 senses in the topic. That is an assumption, much like the assumption of a magical ball spinning in space. It means I clearly know more than those who only use 5. Anyway, after I draw conclusions from using my senses, I then research a topic just as you all do. Do you not have use for your senses sir?

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Flat Earth General / Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth

« on: July 31, 2017, 09:32:35 PM »

Hello. I never thought Earth was a globe. I am new to this forum; however, I am not new to truth and FE ideology. Children have thoughts about who they are and where they live. I ALWAYS  thought I was protected by a dome and lived in sort of an aquarium type home. In school, I never accounted for the globe being anything BUT a theory. I apparently did not understand why there was a globe in all of the classrooms. It wasn't until I was in my late 30's early 40s, OK so maybe 10 or 12 years ago that I had a discussion with one of my daughter's friend about living on a ball that I was completely disorientated for approximately one year. He stated such things as living on a globe and I said we do not. We couldn't possibly. For one year I was afraid to go outside or ride on a swing with my youngest daughter. I was afraid I was going to fall off of this supposed magical ball that spins in space. I was truly afraid.

When I have flat earth arguments with people they think I am insane for saying that I know Earth is flat because I cannot conceive of a ball spinning in space. It makes no sense and if I cannot conceive of it, it just can't be. They do not understand that comment. They ask if I think I know something to be true SIMPLY because I cannot CONCEIVE of it? I say no, my intelligence on IQ tests scored high in verbal and geometric areas. I mean, a magical round ball that a plane cannot possibly land on without an anchor? Come on!!! Really? The elite are something. Lies upon lies. I am so tired of arguing and showing proof that globalists respond by saying, "That is not proof!" OK. People have known Earth is flat for as long as our existence and for 500 years society has been told we live on a magical ball. Who owes the burden of proof? They do. We have proof, they do not. Oh, man was on the moon. Please prove this!!! Thanks for listening.

Why would you fall off the side of the earth....

Because we defy gravity on a daily basis   

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Flat Earth General / Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth

« on: July 31, 2017, 09:29:46 PM »

For one year I was afraid to go outside or ride on a swing with my youngest daughter. I was afraid I was going to fall off of this supposed magical ball that spins in space. I was truly afraid.

Are you for fucking real?

Excuse me sir. Am I effing real? Yes indeed I am. I guess it is more realistic to believe we live on a magical spinning ball in space where we do not magically fall off due to gravity which pulls toward the center of a ball? Are you effing real?

Why is it so hard to believe Earth is flat? It doesn't matter that the other so called planets are round. That is not proof as others seem to think. They say the moon doesn't have gravity but we do so we can be flat and "planets" can be round. There is absolutely no balance with this argument ever. Your pictures are real and our pictures are fake. Why do most kids ask why the sky is blue? I don't hear them asking why a tree is brown or why water is blue. Just the sky. Why; because the truth of flat Earth is innate. There must be an oddity about the sky looking blue, right? If we are not surrounded by water, then there is nothing else I can believe.

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Flat Earth General / Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth

« on: July 31, 2017, 09:11:50 PM »

535 humans have left our planet and returned.

Not a single one of them believes the Earth is flat.


Like I said... Your senses tell you that YOUR WORLD is flat, NOT the Earth.

There is a huge difference.

Except for some people who say they work for NASA and NASA is hiding something as if we didn't already know. Further, if these pictures are REAL???, then why does NASA need artists to draw Earth? Makes no sense. How cab globalists deny everything we say? I see the same picture being used of Earth which was actually created by a NASA employee. All they ever do to change the picture is move the cloud formations and they have made blatant mistakes in doing so.

It is nonsensical to believe that engineers are not proof for flat Earth. If when they are designing bridges, and they do not account for curvature, then bottom line is because there is no curvature. This is not rocket science. The bridges do not look like arcs; therefore, no curvature. You can't debunk everything. Since we don't believe pictures that NASA insists are real (they are only pictures after all) then we talk with people who would know. Engineers and pilots are two reliable sources. Pilots are not at liberty to be honest so they say nothing. I would rather globalists use reliable sources; not pictures from NASA that could have been taken at area 51.

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Flat Earth General / Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth

« on: July 31, 2017, 03:23:40 PM »

Looking out your window is not evidence for a flat or round earth.

Just like every other inquisitive person, my senses are the foundation of inquiry leading to theory. I do not use my senses alone as proof. Looking out of my window, flying in a plane, standing, a cruise ship, and logic, research and knowing that engineers do not account for curvature when building bridges and so forth are all a part of my belief that Earth is flat. The Nile riving having no curvature whatsoever is another clue. When building, if we do not have to account for curvature; it is simply, because it does not exist! How hard is that for people to understand? That is proof in itself and globalists deny any real proof but expect us to believe in fake pictures of a moon landing. Come on, there is no balance here. If there is curvature, how tall would the mid-point of a bridge be? It would have to be an arc shape. Make sense?

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Flat Earth General / Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth

« on: July 31, 2017, 03:07:32 PM »

Your senses only tell you that YOUR WORLD is flat.

The Earth is FAR bigger than your world. Your senses are not tuned to that scale.

Also, they're wrong.

Respectfully, you do not know me and to which scale my senses are tuned. I am not saying that my senses are proof of flat Earth. I am saying that my senses tell me Earth is flat and from there I draw conclusions as to why and then do research. We all use our senses first for inquiry that leads to theory. What else can we start with? Our senses are the first epistemological natural source for inquiry and reasoning. The question is; is there a reason to believe that a person's senses are not reliable due to being color blind, blind, wears glasses, deaf etc. depending on the research at hand.

My senses do not just tell me that MY world is flat. My senses tell me that OUR world is flat. My senses also tell me that it is an impossibility to land a plan on a spinning ball. Sorry.

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Flat Earth General / Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth

« on: July 31, 2017, 02:18:32 PM »

Hello. I never thought Earth was a globe.

Since this thread is about your senses being proof of a flat earth, what do your senses tell you happens to the sun after sunset?  Is it still some 3000 miles above some other part of the flat earth, or did it sink below the edge of the flat earth?

Maybe I was not clear. I am guided by my senses as we all are. This is where all theory begins. My senses tell me Earth is flat and then naturally, I come to conclusions as to why I feel a certain way and I do research. I believe in a dome and then sun revolving in a disc above us. This accounts for night and day and season change. It is highly unlikely that the sun can sink at the edge in water. Sarcasm?

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Flat Earth General / Re: My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth

« on: July 31, 2017, 02:14:13 PM »

Retroreflectors on moon.
Launch was photographed and tracked by loads of people.
Space crafts were photographed around earth, en route to moon.
Signals received from space craft around earth, en route to moon, around the moon and on the moon.
Photos of landing sites.
Lunar samples
Lunar surface detail in photos and video not known before Apollo landed there.
Photos of stars and planets match reality.
Why would NASA have contractors build everything, but not use it?
APollo-soyuz test project used Apollo hardware.
SkyLab used Apollo hardware.

Have yet to see any convincing evidence against it.

Here is my issue. Globalists do not think that videos are a valid source of proof and I have to agree. Then why should pictures of this supposed moon landing be  accepted as proof? The pictures could have been taken at area 51. If NASA failed, they absolutely would come up with this lie. 

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Flat Earth General / My Senses are my Proof of Flat Earth

« on: July 31, 2017, 03:04:33 AM »

Hello. I never thought Earth was a globe. I am new to this forum; however, I am not new to truth and FE ideology. Children have thoughts about who they are and where they live. I ALWAYS  thought I was protected by a dome and lived in sort of an aquarium type home. In school, I never accounted for the globe being anything BUT a theory. I apparently did not understand why there was a globe in all of the classrooms. It wasn't until I was in my late 30's early 40s, OK so maybe 10 or 12 years ago that I had a discussion with one of my daughter's friend about living on a ball that I was completely disorientated for approximately one year. He stated such things as living on a globe and I said we do not. We couldn't possibly. For one year I was afraid to go outside or ride on a swing with my youngest daughter. I was afraid I was going to fall off of this supposed magical ball that spins in space. I was truly afraid.

When I have flat earth arguments with people they think I am insane for saying that I know Earth is flat because I cannot conceive of a ball spinning in space. It makes no sense and if I cannot conceive of it, it just can't be. They do not understand that comment. They ask if I think I know something to be true SIMPLY because I cannot CONCEIVE of it? I say no, my intelligence on IQ tests scored high in verbal and geometric areas. I mean, a magical round ball that a plane cannot possibly land on without an anchor? Come on!!! Really? The elite are something. Lies upon lies. I am so tired of arguing and showing proof that globalists respond by saying, "That is not proof!" OK. People have known Earth is flat for as long as our existence and for 500 years society has been told we live on a magical ball. Who owes the burden of proof? They do. We have proof, they do not. Oh, man was on the moon. Please prove this!!! Thanks for listening.