The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Debate => Topic started by: DataOverFlow2022 on August 29, 2025, 12:07:37 PM
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Not only do gyroscopes drift because of earth’s rotation if not corrected for as in an artificial horizon.
One of the prevalent examples from “Behind the Curve” where earth’s rotation causes a gyroscope to drift.
One of the more jaw-dropping segments of the documentary comes when Bob Knodel, one of the hosts on a popular Flat Earth YouTube channel, walks viewers through an experiment involving a laser gyroscope. As the Earth rotates, the gyroscope appears to lean off-axis, staying in its original position as the Earth's curvature changes in relation. "What we found is, is when we turned on that gyroscope we found that we were picking up a drift. A 15 degree per hour drift," Knodel says, acknowledging that the gyroscope's behavior confirmed to exactly what you'd expect from a gyroscope on a rotating globe.
https://www.newsweek.com/behind-curve-netflix-ending-light-experiment-mark-sargent-documentary-movie-1343362
Anyway. You can limit a gyroscopes motion by limiting how its gimbal move to use earth’s rotation to create torque so the gyroscopes will point north.
Debunking Flat Earth: Gyrocompass Aligns with Earth's Rotation
Not only does earth’s rotation causes gyroscopes to drift, whete there only systems to correct / compensate for this drift, but earth’s rotation can be used to create torque to get a “caged” gyroscope to point north.
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That is quite cool. I've heard they are used on boats since the metal and similar can interfere with regular compasses. They use a bit of power to spin, and detect changes in angle or similar to find north. This pic showed one that uses a USB cable.
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‘…gyroscopes drift because of earth’s rotation’ — Jumping to conclusions isn’t very scientific.
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‘…gyroscopes drift because of earth’s rotation’ — Jumping to conclusions isn’t very scientific.
Then how did a flat earther use a ring laser gyroscope to detect a drift that happens to match the round earth's alleged rotation?
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‘…gyroscopes drift because of earth’s rotation’ — Jumping to conclusions isn’t very scientific.
Good thing people aren't just jumping to a conclusion.
Instead, they are reaching a conclusion supported by mountains of evidence.
That includes the fact that this drift is entirely consistent with what is expected for a rotating round Earth.
The only other option is some magic field causing the same results.
It would be the FEers jumping to conclusions, that something else must be causing it, because they can't accept Earth is round and rotating.
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‘…gyroscopes drift because of earth’s rotation’ — Jumping to conclusions isn’t very scientific.
Then how did a flat earther use a ring laser gyroscope to detect a drift that happens to match the round earth's alleged rotation?
I’m sure there will be a simple science based explanation for what’s going on. I shall endeavor to find out and let you know so that you don’t have to reach for fantastical ideas about round earths etc. You guys!
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‘…gyroscopes drift because of earth’s rotation’ — Jumping to conclusions isn’t very scientific.
Good thing people aren't just jumping to a conclusion.
Instead, they are reaching a conclusion supported by mountains of evidence.
That includes the fact that this drift is entirely consistent with what is expected for a rotating round Earth.
The only other option is some magic field causing the same results.
It would be the FEers jumping to conclusions, that something else must be causing it, because they can't accept Earth is round and rotating.
Mountains of evidence - good one! On the FE side we just have evidence of mountains - land points we shouldn’t be able to see because of curvature.
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I’m sure there will be a simple science based explanation for what’s going on.
Yes, that Earth is round.
Something no one has been able to show issue with, including you.
Mountains of evidence - good one! On the FE side we just have evidence of mountains - land points we shouldn’t be able to see because of curvature.
You mean you have baseless claims of mountains you shouldn't be able to see because of curvature.
Meanwhile, there are plenty of examples of mountains where the bottom is missing, because of curvature.
Now care to tell us how gyrocompasses work?
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On the FE side
Where the topic of this thread is Gyrocompasses and why they point north. Evidently FE doesn’t have an explanation.
The topic of this thread isn’t FE gaslighting addressed in numerous other threads.
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Doesn’t gravity hold everything to the ball earth rotation?
But you’re now claiming there IS ONE INSTRUMENT, which the made up force, cannot hold to Earths curvature and/or to Earths rotation, what a joke
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Why can’t you keep your stories straight and consistent, everything you say about it never holds up, has every excuse for all the failures of it.
Why no made up force here? What’s next?
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Planes aren’t held to Earths rotation? If they are, so would the instruments inside the planes, held by gravity accounting for Earths rotation with planes!!
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Doesn’t gravity hold everything to the ball earth rotation?
No, it attracts things to the surface.
Friction with the surface would keep it moving with the rotation.
Planes aren’t held to Earths rotation?
No, they fly based upon the air.
Why can’t you keep your stories straight and consistent
We can and do.
But because that so trivially destroys your pathetic BS, you need to repeatedly lie about it, just like you have down now.
You can't explain how a gyrocompass could ever work in your delusional fantasy, so you just lie by pretending gravity is meant to magically lock everything to Earth's rotation, even though no one other than lying FE scum like yourself have ever said that.
Now care to stop with the pathetic BS and explain how gyrocompasses would work in your delusional fantasy?
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Is the plane held by the made up force to the rotation of Earth, or not?
Yes or no?
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Now you say the made up force doesn’t hold everything in exact position while Earth rotates?
So if a hundred people went up in a hundred balloons at the same time all over California, say, at a fixed position, some would see earth rotate a bit?
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I’ve never heard your side claim anything wasn’t held to the rotation of Earth by your magic force until now!
Anything else to add? I can’t wait to hear about it
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If Earth rotated, every point on Earth would have a different rotational angle.
From a point along its direction of rotation, we’d see the stars move up towards us and back down behind us, rotating as a thick line opposite to us.
Seeing stars circle around us anywhere on Earth is only possible if Earth is a flat surface, and stars move around us in a circular path.
Each area on Earth sees a circle, a smaller circle of the entire circle of stars.
Each area has thousands and thousands of stars over it, all circling over that one area, and some are part of another area, with other stars, and so on.
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Doesn’t gravity hold everything to the ball earth rotation?
But you’re now claiming there IS ONE INSTRUMENT, which the made up force, cannot hold to Earths curvature and/or to Earths rotation, what a joke
Which in no way is an attempt to discus why a gyrocompass is a reliable instrument and why it points to north accurately.
Turbs, you have to just be a troll at this point.
Or can in an act of good faith in anyway describe in a logical and scientific manner how a gyrocompass works, how it reliably points to north, and the evidence of that for RE vid FE?
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Is the plane held by the made up force
There is no made up force. Grow up.
Now you say the made up force doesn’t hold everything in exact position while Earth rotates?
I have never said that.
That is a strawman you are creating.
It shows how utterly pathetic and dishonest you are.
I’ve never heard your side claim anything wasn’t held
And more pathetic, dishonest BS.
Notice how you try to shift it?
How often have we heard your side say it is bad idea to jump foot first into a woodchipper?
By your complete absence of honesty, I guess that means I can your side always claims it and is clearly insane?
What kind of honest person would ever accept that? No one.
Again, you can't just appeal to people not claiming the opposite of your pathetic, BS, strawman.
You need to show where any REer has claimed gravity is magic glue which magically holds people to Earth and magically locks their rotation.
Do you have any evidence of anyone claiming such utter garbage? Or is it just a pathetic strawman you have brought up to deflect from yet more proof that your pathetic, delusional fantasy does't work at all?
All this pathetic BS with the pathetic strawman, all to avoid admitting you have no explanation at all for how gyrocompasses work.
If Earth rotated, every point on Earth would have a different rotational angle.
Or the honest way to word it is that the axis of rotation is at a different angle relative to the surface of Earth.
And it is.
As we see with things like the angle of elevation to the celestial poles.
From a point along its direction of rotation, we’d see the stars move up towards us and back down behind us, rotating as a thick line opposite to us.
Do you mean how at the equator we see stars rise due east, go directly overhead and set due west?
Something impossible in your flat Earth fantasy?
So you want to deflect from your complete inability to explain gyrocompasses to instead appeal to how the stars clearly show Earth is round?
Yet again, all you have is an absolutely pathetic deflection from your complete inability to explain how gyrocompasses work.
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Repeatedly saying what is shown and not shown is not a valid argument!
Stars have never changed, never moved at all, never changed position relative to other stars. All things on Earth and above Earth have never moved position at all ever.
YOU say they have changed position, that all things on Earth were elsewhere sometime before.
Your the one who must show evidence for your claims!
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Do you mean how at the equator we see stars rise due east, go directly overhead and set due west?
Really? Show me the proof of that! I’ve never seen it
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Are you now saying we can go up in a balloon and stay in one position and see the Earth spin at 1000 mph below us?
While it never moves at all?
You claim anything and everything and conflict arguments all the time. The moon is held away from earths gravity in a rotation, pulling it from millions of miles away and stops pulling it suddenly , closer to its source, and somehow makes it spin around the ball earth after it stopped pulling it in! When closer to its force! Sure!
The force of all conflicts and magical powers, that lets insects beat it but not oceans or buildings! Pulls in a huge object from space but can’t pull it in nearer its force, holds astronauts down to Earth and then lets them float in space, but keeps the moon around here!
We can say the Earth is a square block and it’d be better than your ball Earth!
Are you saying that if we looked at a horizon across it, from before it and after it, over three plus miles, we would sse the surface curve down?
The ship wouldn’t be seen past three miles from tbat viewpoint?
Nice bs story
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Repeatedly saying what is shown and not shown is not a valid argument!
Do you know what certaily isn't a valid argument?
You continually asserting pathetic BS with no evidence at all, all while desperately fleeing from the topic at hand.
Your the one who must show evidence for your claims!
No, not how it works at all.
YOU claimed they are all the same, and are fixed and have magically never moved, so YOU would have to show proof.
But again, this is just another pathetic deflection by you.
Show me the proof of that! I’ve never seen it
No.
It has nothing to do with the topic, and I was just pointing out how even your pathetic deflection doesn't help you, and how you are wilfully lying to everyone.
If you want to see it, go to the equator.
Especially considering you just reject everything that shows you are wrong as fake.
You are truly pathetic.
Are you now saying we can go up in a balloon and stay in one position and see the Earth spin at 1000 mph below us?
No, that is just a pathetic strawman by you.
Can you do that inside a car? Just have the balloon go up from the floor of the car and magically the balloon is fixed and watching the car fly past? No.
You claim anything and everything and conflict arguments all the time.
No, I don't.
YOU DO!
Because you can't defend your complete and utter bullshit, you just wilfully lie about the RE model, inventing all sorts of BS about it, to pretend it doesn't work.
The moon
is in orbit around Earth, with the mutual gravitational attraction causing the moon to accelerate towards Earth in its orbit.
Gravity, along with its tangential velocity keeps it in an orbit.
Gravity is not magically fixing it in place.
The force of all conflicts and magical powers
Is your pathetic strawman that has nothing to do with gravity.
Are you saying that if we looked at
No. I'm saying gyrocompasses rely upon the rotation of Earth to work, and are further proof of the fact that Earth is rotating and round.
But because you are pathetic, lying subhuman piece of shit, you need to continually deflect from this and spout all sorts of dishonest, delusional BS.
Now again, stop with all the BS.
Can you explain how gyrocompasses work in your pathetic delusional fantasy?
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Gyrocompasses still point north because of earth’s rotation. FE can’t prove otherwise because that’s how they work.
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is in orbit around Earth,
Who derails threads.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Poor Turbs. Doesn’t know what to do with proof the earth rotates. Can’t explain in any working way how a gyrocompass would work for FE. Especially when it’s designed and works as designed for a RE.
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Poor Turbs. Doesn’t know what to do with proof the earth rotates. Can’t explain in any working way how a gyrocompass would work for FE. Especially when it’s designed and works as designed for a RE.
You really believe this instrument was designed to work for a ball Earth?
Because it’s shaped as a ball?
It’s shaped as a ball, to measure any deviation in any direction at all.
What detects your supposed rotation of a ball Earth?
Gyroscopes don’t and couldn’t measure any sort of rotational motion of a ball Earth, don’t try to make this crap up, its completely ridiculous
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You really believe this instrument was designed to work for a ball Earth?
Yes. Like any sane person would.
That is because the principles of operation rely upon this round Earth rotating, causing gyroscopic precession which results in the gyrocompass pointing north.
If Earth wasn't rotating, it wouldn't work.
Just how could it work in your delusional fantasy?
Because it’s shaped as a ball?
No.
No one thinks that. No one claims that.
But because you can't deal with the topic at hand you need to spout complete and utter garbage.
It shows how utterly pathetic, dishonest and desperate you are.
You can't refute what is actually said, so you just blatantly lie to everyone.
Gyroscopes don’t and couldn’t measure any sort of rotational motion of a ball Earth, don’t try to make this crap up, its completely ridiculous
You sure do love contradicting yourself.
Didn't you previously claim that gyroscopes allegedly prove Earth is not rotating because they don't measure the rotation?
Only to now directly contradict that by claiming they couldn't measure it?
But this isn't about a gyroscope directly measuring the rotation as countless examples have already provided.
This is about a gyrocompass, a tool for determining the direction to north.
Now again, can you explain how a gyrocompass works in your pathetic, delusional fantasy?
If not, can you show a single shred of integrity for once in your pathetic, dishonest existence and admit you have no explanation?
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They don’t read for North, or your North Pole of a ball Earth.
They read for the true center point of our flat Earth, and that is the ONLY point they read for on Earth. A gyrocompass would read for north the same way but atop a spherically shaped instrument.
Hey, I just thought of something….shouldn’t the gyrocompass read for South as well as North? They’re both magnetic points on a ball, on opposite ends of the ball.
It’s really sad that you think a ball instrument is measuring for a ball Earth, when it should read BOTH North and South piles of the ball, it would really support your ball Earth argument for the first time! All the other instruments support and measure for the flat Earth, that’s why you had to plug your made up pulling force into the mess and solve it for you, or at least try to solve it. But even your magical force cannot solve for it, even adding in your made up core inside the ball Earth, and anything else you’d like to shove into this crap….
This fairy tale should have been flushed down into the sewer years ago, but we’re getting closer and closer to shredding it all the time.
There’s only going to be people like you, who do nothing but claim bs and lie about anything, because your life is nothing but hate and fears and intense insecurities. So good luck with that.
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They don’t read for North, or your North Pole of a ball Earth.
Gyrocompasses are designed and made to use torque produced by earth’s rotation to point north.
What force would FE produce to keep the gyrocompass pointing north.
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Hey, I just thought of something….shouldn’t the gyrocompass read for South as well as North?
Not according to the right hand rule and how earth’s rotation produces torque on the gyrocompass.
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Point to the magnetic center of Earth, there is no North or South poles.
That’s it
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Point to the magnetic center of Earth, there is no North or South poles.
That’s it
Gyrocompasses work by making use of the earth’s rotation to produce torque on the compass to point north. It’s how they are designed, made, and work.
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They don’t read for North
Let me make this clear:
I don't give a damn what you want to say it reads for.
What matters is HOW?
Can you explain HOW they work?
shouldn’t the gyrocompass read for South as well as North? They’re both magnetic points on a ball
They don't rely upon magnetism.
Regardless, magnetism is a dipolar force where opposites attract, so if something points north it will point away from south.
All you are demonstrating is that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and are now desperately throwing out complete and utter shit in the hope it will make you seem smart.
But it backfired, and made you look like a complete moron that has no idea what they are talking about.
Point to the magnetic
Again, they don't use magnets.
And even if your pathetic BS was true, that is not an explanation.
That is just a statement of the observation.
Do you know one big reason why gyrocompasses are used?
Because all the steel on the ship can effect magnetic compasses.
So they need a compass which doesn't use magnetism.
So again, can you explain how they work?
Or can you just fling your own poop like a pathetic monkey in a zoo?
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Compasses use Earths center which is far more magnetic than steel of our ships.
To measure its magnetism thousand of miles away from it proves that
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Compasses use Earths center which is far more magnetic than steel of our ships.
To measure its magnetism thousand of miles away from it proves that
A magnetic compass, which is what you are talking about here, detects and aligns with the direction of the Earth's magnetic field at the location of the compass. It does not return a measurement of the strength of that field or the core strength of the Earth's magnetic field, which is indeed formidable by all estimates, on the order of 50 times its surface strength.
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Compasses use Earths center which is far more magnetic than steel of our ships.
No, that is a regular compass.
One which is known to be affected by the steel of ships, which is why gyrocompasses were made, to avoid that.
A regular compass can be affected by a fridge magnet held too close.
Now again, stop talking about magnetic compasses and try talking about gyrocompasses.
Again, they rely upon the rotation of Earth to work. It has nothing to do with magnetism at all.
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Answer what does a standard compass do, where it is used, where it cannot be used, where it works and where it doesn’t work. Why it’s shaped as a flat instrument instead of any other shape, and why it doesn’t work in any other shape but flat.
What is it measuring for as a flat standard instrument, for a single direction, for one and only one point on Earth?
The liars of a ball Earth fable, said that a compass isn’t flat for any reason at all, but it’s more of their bs claims again.
How does a compass work if it’s another shape than flat? It doesn’t work if another shape of it is built or tried to build of it.
What are some types of instruments we have, or once had, and use today, being advanced instruments based on the earlier ones, and that we are trying to advance on them in future, yet every one of them, before or now or in future, must always have, is they have to be a specific shape or form of design, to use the same way, or at a certain place or location?
What is a gyrocompass shaped as a sphere for, is not going to be used on the surface of Earth, it cannot work on the Earths surface, only a flat compass can work on the Earths surface!
Why would you think they’re not based on the same magnetic measurement of one single point on Earth that standard compasses are built for, used for on the surface?
They spew on about how our standard compasses, used for centuries, and no other types or revisions ever existing for those centuries, were only very recently built as a revised type of compass, which will work exactly as those compasses used and work on the surface?
Because when we’re above the surface in air, within a plane, we are now ABOVE the magnetic point on Earths surface, which can only use standard flat compasses on the surface to measure and point towards it
So after we developed airplanes to fly in air, above the surface, we were also flying above the magnetic center point of Earths surface.
Do you start to see what makes Earths surface shape important and crucial to instruments like the compass?
The gyrocompass is shaped as a ball, because it has a 360 degree view of Earths surface, which means it must be an entirely flat surface over the entire Earth, to measure for the magnetic point of Earths surface below the planes in air above it.
That’s exactly what they’re a ball shape for, to measure over the entire Earth, for its magnetic center point on the flat surface.
It’s strange that they didn’t use this instrument on planes from day one, but maybe it wasn’t developed yet?
Our flights used the same crucial instruments all those years before now, so what is this newly developed instrument going to do, which cannot be done by our other instruments on planes?
This instrument acts just the same way as an actual compass does, but never could work in air until now!
They’re airborne compasses, to measure for the magnetic center point on the surface.
They actually further confirm the Earths surface is a massive flat plane with one center point which is very magnetized.
Your excuse about how magnetic objects or magnetic source points must have two opposite poles on them- put your car under a magnetic crane and see it pull your car up into air, or if it can’t pull it up because it has an opposite pole on it!
You even said metals if ships can make a compass point to the ship instead of magnetic ‘north’.
That made me wonder if the magnetic center is actually a metallic center point instead, and it would really make far more sense because it attracts magnetic materials when light enough in their mass.
That would explain why a very thin needle of minute mass thinly coated in magnetic material would point to a huge metallic point on Earths center, deep within the surface at one point.
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Answer what does a standard compass do
Considering this has absolutely nothing to do with the topic, WHY?
Considering it would work on a round Earth with the core being roughly a dipole, WHY?
The liars of a ball Earth fable, said that a compass isn’t flat for any reason at all
The absolutely pathetic liar here is YOU!
Let me remind you that you clearly emphasised how an instrument being ball shaped doesn't mean it is for a round Earth. Yet here you are pretending the sole reason a compass is flat is because Earth is flat, pretty much directly contradicting what you have said before, and blatantly lying about it to.
Not to mention that entire pathetic rant of yours is nothing more than a pathetic deflection from your complete inability to explain how a gyrocompass works in your delusional fantasy.
The only things in any way relevant are these pathetic BS claims of yours:
What is a gyrocompass shaped as a sphere for, is not going to be used on the surface of Earth
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Because when we’re above the surface in air, within a plane, we are now ABOVE the magnetic point on Earths surface
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This instrument acts just the same way as an actual compass does, but never could work in air until now!
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They’re airborne compasses, to measure for the magnetic center point on the surface.
They weren't used originally because they weren't invented yet. A normal magnetic compass works just fine in the air, and worked in airplanes which were mainly made of wood.
Meanwhile, gyrocompasses are also used in ships, large metal ships.
You can also compare a gyrocompass and magnetic compass and see they don't point in the same direction.
You can also bring a magnet nearby and see the magnetic compass is affected by the gyrocompass isn't it.
i.e. you are wilfully lying to everyone yet again.
That is also the answer to this pathetic BS of yours:
Why would you think they’re not based on the same magnetic measurement of one single point on Earth that standard compasses are built for, used for on the surface?
Because magnets don't affect them. And because that claim of how a magnetic compass works is pure BS as well. They align with the magnetic field. Not magically get drawn towards the centre.
So how about you stop with all the pathetic BS and instead clearly explain how a gyrocompass works in your delusional fantasy.
Stop deflecting with pathetic BS.
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Why would standard compasses not follow Earths rotation if gyrocompasses do in air?
Compasses are also in air too, held above the surface, just lower in air than in planes!
You’ve already claimed that everything in air, balloons and planes for example, are held by your made up force within air, and the air and all things in air are rotating with the ball Earth below them all, right?
But now you’re trying to claim that planes ARE NOT rotating with the rotating air above the rotating ball Earth? You can’t have it both ways, if planes aren’t rotating within the rotating air above the rotating ball, then nothing can be rotating in air, not just planes because you say they use an instrument to measure for the Earth ball rotation within air!
Planes have more metal than our old wooden ships did, and they used compasses to sail the whole world, and napped it as flat, with a massive ice wall encircling the Earth within it, holding in the waters of Earth.
Your own claims conflict with one another, because both are nonsense.
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Why would standard compasses not follow Earths rotation if gyrocompasses do in air?
Because a standard compass uses magnetism. So it can be affected by things like metal ship hulls.
A gyrocompass is based on rotation.
This is not hard to understand.
You’ve already claimed
No, YOU have made up a pathetic strawman, putting words in other people's mouths to blatantly lie about them and the RE model.
Now again, stop with all the pathetic BS and explain how a gyrocompass works in your delusional fantasyland.
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You’ve not addressed your conflicting claims here.
You’ve claimed that when up in an air balloon fixed in one position, the surface below us doesn’t appear to rotate, because the air is also rotating with Earth below, and all things within air are also rotating in air with Earths rotation!
Planes would also be in air and rotating with Earth, same as us in an air balloon!
Planes wouldn’t be adrift from the rotation, if the air and all things in air are following that very rotation of Earth, and that’s what you claimed.
You go along and believe whatever else they tell you about this or that, being for the ball Earth, that this instrument is on planes to account for drifting off Earths rotation on flights…
Never having any clue about what you’ve already said about things in air rotating with Esrth!
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You’ve not addressed your conflicting claims here.
You mean I haven't addressed your pathetic strawman?
The one you keep bringing up because you can't explain how a gyrocompass can work in your delusional fantasy?
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You’ve not addressed your conflicting claims here.
You mean I haven't addressed your pathetic strawman?
The one you keep bringing up because you can't explain how a gyrocompass can work in your delusional fantasy?
Right, after you said the air and everything within the air rotates with the Earth as one, yet now you change your argument by saying that planes drift away from Earths rotation and that’s what gyrocompasses are used for…
Are you saying that your first claim is a strawman?
No, it’s you trying to make two conflicting claims.
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Drifting off of Earths rotation, or held within Earths rotation, which one do you wanna go with here?
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See what always happens when it’s all lies, they always screw up, two different stories that conflict with one another, etc
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Drifting off of Earths rotation, or held within Earths rotation, which one do you wanna go with here?
Neither.
I want you to talk about how a gyrocompass should work in your delusional fantasyland?
See what always happens when it’s all lies
Yes, instead of you answering simple questions about a gyrocompass, you try to lie about them, and when that doesn't work you deflect to more lies.
Now again, care to stop with the pathetic BS and either explain how gyroscopes work in your delusional fantasy or admit you can't?
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No, you’re the idiot who brought them up here, not me.
But of course, instead of explaining what they’re used for on planes as you see it, you asked me what they have self righting mechanisms for…
Why didn’t you say they’re used to correct for drift from Earths rotation, that’s what you think they’re used for, isn’t it?
If you bring something up like this, at least explain what you think they’re used for on planes.
Maybe you didn’t mention that they told us they’re used to correct for drift from Earths rotation, since it conflicts with your claim that air and all things within air rotate with the Eartn rotation?
That’s not very good, is it?
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No, you’re the idiot who brought them up here, not me.
You really can't help yourself, can you?
You just are desperate to lie to everyone.
As a reminder, your first post in this thread:
Doesn’t gravity hold everything to the ball earth rotation?
Completely off topic.
And when that failed, you bring up stars:
we’d see the stars
Also completely off topic.
And then when that failed, you try even more pathetic BS:
You really believe this instrument was designed to work for a ball Earth?
Because it’s shaped as a ball?
Instead of even attempting to discuss what was said, you just make up a strawman and pretend that the only reason we think they are for a round Earth is because they are round. Truly pathetic.
And when that failed, you try even more pathetic BS:
Point to the magnetic
Compasses use Earths center which is far more magnetic
Except we know it isn't magnetism for gyrocompasses.
You know you have no chance of explaining gyrocompasses work in your delusional fantasy, so you need to deflect to go on the attack to pretend the RE model doesn't work, to pretend your pathetic BS is true by default; even though the very topic of the thread clearly demonstrates Earth is round and rotating.
And you are so utterly dishonest and pathetic with it, that once your BS is called out to much, instead of trying to defend it, you just abandon ship and spout more pathetic BS to try to attack.
So no, YOU are the worthless, lying subhuman POS that brought it up here. Not me.
You brought up all this dishonest BS in this thread on gyrocompasses. All because you know that these devices clearly demonstrate Earth is round and rotating.
That’s not very good, is it?
No, your absolutely pathetic, dishonest BS is not good.
So how about you stop it and instead try to explain how a gyrocompass works?
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If your made up bs force held all the air and all things within the air to a made up bs ball Earth with a made up bs rotation in a made up bs endless space, then anything in air which opposes the made up holding to a ball Earth rotating in made up endless space would be resisted by that made up force holding them to ball Earths rotation!
It would be like invisible strings in air attached to all planes in flights, moving them with a ball Earth rotating below them, making them rotate with the ball Earth while holding them in place within air to rotate with Earth at a thousand mph in a path around and around in endless space!
Any plane flying opposite of ball Earths rotation is held to follow the Earths rotational path, so a plane flying in the ball Earths rotational path would be flying faster than if suspended in air like an air balloon, and would be flying faster than Earths rotation alone moves them in air, so would be held by gravity to follow Earths rotational speed of 1000 mph.
And planes flying against Earths rotational path would face great resistance from the made up super duper force holding them in air to Earths rotational path and direction, too!
For such a powerful and omnipotent force that holds and pulls down all things but some things it can’t hold at all, it sure seems to have a lot of problems and contradictions that don’t happen at all with our other actual forces, since it’s not an actual force at all.
The official explanation for what gyrocompasses do, is that they account for the ball Earths rotation in air, on flights.
But if that was true, which it isn’t, but if it was true, it would mean their other claim that all things in air are held by the made up force in Earth to follow with its rotation within the air, which supposedly is also held by the made up force to follow the ball Earths rotation.
And if THAT claim was true, then planes would also be held in aur by the made up force to follow Earth balls rotation!
Which means at least one of these claims cannot be true, or neither claim are true, which is the case in fact. Both claims are just bs, as usual.
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If your
Again.
Stop with all the pathetic BS, and explain how gyrocompasses work.
Stop with all the pathetic strawmen, where you blatantly lie about what the RE model claims.
Stop with all the pathetic lies, where you act like we claim gravity is pure magic.
Which means at least one of these claims cannot be true
And that isn't surprising given most of YOUR claims are pure BS. And that includes your claims about what REers claim.
Again, stop with all the pathetic BS and explain how gyrocompasses work.
If you can't explain how gyrocompasses work in your fantasy, then admit that. Admit you have no explanation at all for how they work, and that they shouldn't work on a flat Earth so their existence clearly disproves a flat Earth.
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I’ve already explained how all their other instruments work and measure for a flat surface of Earth below them, which is to fly at level paths in the air, which is in two directions, across the planes at both wings, and nose to tail at level too, which they call a straight and level flight.
Are you not aware that we once DID have compasses on planes?
Before we had those instruments of today, we used a regular compass in planes…
They weren’t very accurate, but they used other things like artificial horizon lines on their panels among other things, so it still helped out, somewhat anyway.
A gyrocompass couldn’t even work over a ball Earth, same as none of the other instruments could work for a ball Earth below us in planes.
Level flight at one altitude or several different steady altitudes is obvious proof that Earths surface is entirely flat and level and a horizontal plain surface.
They’re not using them to prove what the Earths surface is shaped as, they’ve already known that it’s flat, before they ever designed those very instruments which measure for a flight over the flat surface of Earth below planes above the surface of Earth.
What we actually do, what we actually measure for, what planes fly level for, above Earth, why surveyors akways assume the surface is flat on Earth, and measure for it as flat on their projects, and those projects work and build properly on the flat surface…
Actions show the reality.
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I’ve already explained how all their other instruments
i.e. you have repeatedly deflected away from the issue at hand.
And this in fact yet another lie from you where you haven't actually explained it at all. Instead you have just repeatedly lied to everyone.
Now again, stop with all the BS and explain how a gyrocompass works.
A gyrocompass couldn’t even work over a ball Earth
Sure they can, as they do.
In fact, they rely upon the fact that Earth is round and rotating.
Now again, stop with all the BS and explain how a gyrocompass works.
If you can't, just admit you can't.
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You claimed that the air rotates with the Earth, and all things within the air also rotate with the air and rotate with the Earth, planes fly in air and rotate with the Earth while flying to their destinations in any and all directions over the Earth, while rotating with the Earth at the same time!!
Are you once again going to ignore what you claimed here?
Of course you are, you always ignore your bs after you are caught lying or claiming something that conflicts your other claims.
A true weasel indeed, but I’m not wasting my time dealing with you anymore.
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You claimed that the air rotates with the Earth
Due to friction and inertia.
Not magic.
Stop acting like I said it was due to magic.
That means it will not have the same impact on a gyrocompass.
but I’m not wasting my time dealing with you anymore.
Good riddance to bad garbage.
Don't bother coming back.
If you do decide to post again, make sure you clearly explain how a gyrocompass works in your delusional fantasy.
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It measures for planes if they drift off of straight and level and flat flight paths.
They didn’t even exist until recently, and flights worked well before they came to exist.
Like other instruments used today in many planes, not all planes though, but some planes, additional instruments are used to confirm other instruments, combine with other instruments, and so forth.
What is odd about this instrument, is unlike the other instruments on planes, there seems to be nothing explained about how it works, what is measured, the methods and theory behind its purpose in having on planes at all.
There’s not one account and explanation for it. Or any valid explanation for it at all, in fact!
What I like to do in such odd cases, is look and compare what is said about it, what it’s for, etc.
If it’s measuring or accounting for Earths rotation, why didn’t anyone say that planes are off course because of Earths rotation not accounted for in flights? Anyone say that’s a problem over the past 80 years? I’ve never heard a thing about it until now!
You’re the idiot who first brought it up here, and then think it’s up to me to explain it, when you’ve never said spit about it at all!
I’ll bring something up and keep asking you to explain it all, but I’ll never explain it myself, just say you need to explain it , and if you don’t, or I don’t like your explanation for it, I’ll keep saying your avoiding the issue and not answering for it!!
It’s too stupid to even think about doing, it’s your specialty though
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Air rotates perfectly in time and position with Earths rotation, because of friction and inertia?
When did you first have any proof or a shred of valid evidence that Earth was actually a ball, show any evidence that your ‘endless space’ existed, before you’re claiming Earth is a ball in endless space which is rotating? Let alone with all air rotating with Earth by some sort of ‘friction’ or ‘inertia’?
Piles of made up bs is just more bs,
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It measures for
I don't give a damn what you want to claim it measures for.
The question is HOW DOES IT WORK?
Can you explain how gyrocompasses work?
If not, the only thing coming out of your lying mouth should be an admission that you can't.
If you can't post either an admission that you cannot explain how they work, or provide such an explanation, then don't post again.
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We already know it works as any standard compass on Earth, reading for the magnetic center point of the flat Earth.
Show me what proof of it accounting for a ball Earth rotation if you can. Then we’ll rage ur from that point
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We already know it works as any standard compass on Earth, reading for the magnetic center point of the flat Earth.
Show me what proof of it accounting for a ball Earth rotation if you can. Then we’ll rage ur from that point
As in these two things..
One of the more jaw-dropping segments of the documentary comes when Bob Knodel, one of the hosts on a popular Flat Earth YouTube channel, walks viewers through an experiment involving a laser gyroscope. As the Earth rotates, the gyroscope appears to lean off-axis, staying in its original position as the Earth's curvature changes in relation. "What we found is, is when we turned on that gyroscope we found that we were picking up a drift. A 15 degree per hour drift," Knodel says, acknowledging that the gyroscope's behavior confirmed to exactly what you'd expect from a gyroscope on a rotating globe.
https://www.newsweek.com/behind-curve-netflix-ending-light-experiment-mark-sargent-documentary-movie-1343362
One. The earth’s rotation causes drift in a gyroscope as seen in the documentary “Behind the Curve”.
The crucial additional ingredient needed to turn a gyroscope into a gyrocompass, so it would automatically position to true north,[2][3] is some mechanism that results in an application of torque whenever the compass's axis is not pointing north.
One method uses friction to apply the needed torque:[9] the gyroscope in a gyrocompass is not completely free to reorient itself; if for instance a device connected to the axis is immersed in a viscous fluid, then that fluid will resist reorientation of the axis. This friction force caused by the fluid results in a torque acting on the axis, causing the axis to turn in a direction orthogonal to the torque (that is, to precess) along a line of longitude. Once the axis points toward the celestial pole, it will appear to be stationary and won't experience any more frictional forces. This is because true north (or true south) is the only direction for which the gyroscope can remain on the surface of the earth and not be required to change. This axis orientation is considered to be a point of minimum potential energy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrocompass
Two, the way a caged gyroscope is forced to point north by the torque created by earth’s rotation which results in a gyrocompass.
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We already know it works as any standard compass on Earth
No, we know the exact opposite.
That it DOESN'T work like a regular compass.
A regular compass points to magnet north, and can easily be fooled by a nearby magnet or by large chunks of metal.
A gyrocompass points to true north, and is not affected by nearby magnets or large chunks of metal.
So we know that isn't the case at all.
So again, explain how gyrocompasses work in your fantasy or admit you can't.
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I posted a source on the other thread about this that explains it just like I’ve already explained it to you over and over.
I guess you ball Earthers started two threads on this because you thought it supported your nonsense ball Earth. One thread will do, I’ve shown it supports the flat Earth just like all their other instruments do
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I posted a source on the other thread
You mean you spammed another thread with complete and utter crap because you couldn't defend your pathetic BS in it.
And when you did, you didn't post about a gyrocompass, but about a gyromagnetic compass, so that crap isn't even relavent for this thread.
i.e. you just continually spam crap because you can't defend your BS.
And no, the 2 threads are fundamentally different.
One thread is discussing the self-righting mechanism on gyroscopic instruments in a plane, this is how a gyrocompass works.
So stop with all the pathetic BS and explain how a gyrocompass works in your pathetic fantasy.
If you can't, admit you can't, and move on.
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They all measure for the center point on Earth, they call ‘north’.
They never at all measure for any ‘south’ pole or point!
Australia is claimed to be near the ‘south pole’, so why are we never measuring for a South Pole in Australia? Every point on Earth measures for only the ‘north pole’?
No, all points on Earth are measuring for its center point on a flat Earth, that’s why every place on Earth measures for the center point of flat Earth!
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They all measure for the center point on Earth, they call ‘north’.
They never at all measure for any ‘south’ pole or point!
Just baselessly asserting this pathetic crap doesn't help you at all.
Instead, it just shows you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
A magnetic compass does not magically measure for the centre point of Earth.
Instead, it simply aligns with the magnetic field.
Likewise, a gyrocompass doesn't magically point to the centre eitehr.
Instead, it aligns with Earth's axis of rotation.
And these are typically different.
And notice what you have entirely failed to do in this completely useless and worthless post of yours?
Explain how it works.
Again, stop with all the pathetic BS and explain how a gyrocompass could ever work in your delusional fantasy.
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They made up another bs story, of the ball Earth, of having this great molten hot core in the ball Earths middle, of it holding in that core, a most powerful force, which pulls down and holds down to Earths ball surface all things that exist on ball Earth, of the ball Earth rotating itself within an endless universe once every 24 hours plus a bit more, etc.
But again, what I told you about how it’s supposedly adjusting for a ball Earth rotation, entirely contradicts what you’ve already claimed over and over again, that the air and all things within the air will rotate with the ball Earths rotation as one thing!
Certainly you’ve claimed planes are also following with Earths rotation, whatever its paths are, opposite of the rotation or with it or whatever else they go!
Now you’re trying to claim planes have an instrument measuring for drift off of Earths rotation?
You’re looking more the idiot daily now.
Conflicting your other claims yet again!
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They made up another bs
The one making up BS here is YOU!
Look at what you have done yet again, spouting so much pathetic BS, all because you can't explain how a gyrocompass works.
Again, explain how a gyrocompass works in your delusional fantasy or admit you can't.
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It would obviously mean that you are a liar, who said all things within air follow Earths rotation, planes included!
This issue was brought up here by you, your side. When someone brings up an issue, they have to explain their position on it, support their position with sources on it, then ask others about it, any disputing his argument and why…
I don’t recall that you said what your position on this was, but I assume you think it adjusts or corrects itself for earths rotation when planes drift off of it?
Any more wacky claims to add on?
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It would obviously mean that you are a liar
HOW?
How does your complete inability to explain how gyrocompasses work mean I am a liar?
Are you sure it wont mean that YOU are a liar, with you wilfully lying about what people have said, as you need to repeatedly do, to deflect from your complete inability to defend your pathetic BS in an honest manner, and your complete inability to explain how gyrocompasses work.
Again, stop with all the pathetic BS and either explain how gyrocompasses work or admit you can't.
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You brought this issue up here, don’t explain why you did, don’t account for what you think it supports your argument, but just ask me what I think it’s used for!!!
Thanks for your being a complete moron, yet again!
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You brought this issue up here, don’t explain why you did, don’t account for what you think it supports your argument, but just ask me what I think it’s used for!!!
Thanks for your being a complete moron, yet again!
The only moron here is YOU!
Again, I have already shown your pathetic lies.
The original topic was a gyrocompass.
You, being the pathetic, subhuman scum you are, and knowing you have no chance of explaining how they work in your made up fantasy, instead needed to spout crap about other things, to deflect from your inability to explain.
Again, stop with all the pathetic BS and either explain how gyrocompases work in your pathetic fantasy, or admit you can't.
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Have you actually read and studied what they’ve described about this instrument, how it works and why it works, and how it can measure for Earths rotation and how it’s done….
So far, all I’ve seen is a few talk about it correcting fir earths rotation on flights, but nothing more than that I’ve seen on it…
Show your sources for it, if you have any that is.
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Have you actually read and studied what they’ve described about this instrument, how it works and why it works, and how it can measure for Earths rotation and how it’s done….
Notice how you keep spouting crap rather than staying on topic.
A gyrocompass is not "measuring for Earth's rotation".
That would be a laser ring gyroscope, or even a normal gyroscope if it is well made enough.
This is about a gyrocompass.
This works due to gyroscopic precession, caused by weights on the gyroscope that would be put off balance by the rotation of Earth which causes the gyroscope to precess to point north.
Instead of just continually spouting pathetic crap, can you explain how they work in your delusional flat Earth fantasy?
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A pile of gibberish trying to sound impressive and science-like!!
The planes within the air, both which are rotating with the Earths rotation, held by the made up force, obviously.
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A pile of gibberish trying to sound impressive and science-like!!
Thanks for summing up loads of your crap.
Now try dealing with the topic at hand.
Explain how a gyrocompass works in your pathetic fantasy.
If you can't, admit you can't.
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The same way as the other instruments do. Based on flying over the flat surface of Earth, with its center as one single point, a magnetic point we’ve long used for navigation on and above Earth.
That’s where we use and measure for one single point. A center point on a flat surface around that point in its middle.
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The same way as the other instruments do.
And saying this just demonstrates you have absolutely no idea how they work, or how any thing works; and are just wilfully spouting complete crap to pretend Earth is flat.
Again, the functioning of a gyrocompass is fundamentally different to other instuments.
The easiest way to see this is that a gyrocompass and magnetic compass don't point in the same direciton.
A magnetic compass is easily fooled by a nearby magnet, while the gyrocompass is not.
This shows it is NOT the same way as other instruments.
So again:
Explain how a gyrocompass works in your pathetic fantasy.
If you can't, admit you can't.
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Says the idiot who claims we measure for level to Earths curved surface with curved air flowing above it, because of a made up pulling down and holding down all things to the Earths surface, which changes our instruments to measure level as a curved surface of Earth as being ‘level’!!
Level or horizontal mean the same thing, measured the same way, and that is a PATH OVER A DISTANCE, straight and flat across it, end to end of the measurement of level.
Nothing curved, no point on a curved line or surface or whatever else you spew about
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Says the idiot
The idiot here is YOU!
YOU are the one continually fleeing from simple questions. Deflecting with whatever pathetic BS you can think of.
As if you know you have no chance of honestly addressing the issue raised, but still want to pretend you are right, and just hoping everyone will be too stupid to notice.
Again:
Explain how a gyrocompass works in your pathetic fantasy.
If you can't, admit you can't.
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The moron who doesn’t explain why he shows things to us!!!
Wants to hear others explain it all to him!
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The moron who doesn’t explain
i.e. you?
If you are so stupid you have forgotten why this is brought up, it is because in reality, gyrocompasses rely upon Earth's rotation and gravity to induce a torque which results in them pointing north.
Again:
Explain how a gyrocompass works in your pathetic fantasy.
If you can't, admit you can't.
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When do you expect to address your own issue here?
All I hear is you bleat for me to explain it. Don’t be a bs artist, say what you think it is, sources for it. etc.
So far you just look like a moron. No surprise as usual
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Explain where a ball earth rotation comes into this, if you can.
Maybe that’s why you’ve said squat about it so far. Don’t mention the rotation bs, it’s not good to be laughed at your claims
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When do you expect to address your own issue here?
It has been addressed.
But like usual you ignore it.
So far you just look like a moron. No surprise as usual
There you go projecting again.
But then again, do you really look like a moron, or just lying scum that knows they have been caught and are trying to deflect at all costs?
Explain where a ball earth rotation comes into this, if you can.
Maybe that’s why you’ve said squat about it so far.
Have you not bothered reading the thread?
You sure do love spouting complete and utter crap as if your pathetic BS hasn't already been addressed.
From the opening post in this thread ( https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=93289.msg2447160#msg2447160 )
there is a link to this video:
You were also provided this link here:
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=93289.msg2450481#msg2450481
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrocompass
When you apply a torque to a spinning gyroscope, you cause it to precess.
If you have a gyroscope that is free to reorient itself, it will keeps its axis of rotation.
So on a spinning Earth, if you have it aligned with the axis of rotation, it wont change its orientation at all.
But if it is aligned in any other direction, it will try to reorient.
If you have something which acts against that (e.g. friction), this will apply a force causing it to precess. And that precession is always at right angles to the applied torque.
So for example, if you are at the equator, and the gyroscope is spun up pointing east-west, then as Earth rotates, it will try to maintain its orientation by having one side (lets say the east side) of the gyroscope appear to lift up relative to the observer on Earth (after 90 degrees rotation, i.e. ~6 hours, it would go from horizontal to vertical). But with friction trying to stop this this applies a torque going down at the east side, west at the bottom, up at the west side and east at the top. This then results in the gyroscope processing, rotating about an axis perpendicular to both the torque axis and the axis of rotation. i.e. instead of going up, it will rotate to have the axis align north-south, i.e. with the axis of rotation of Earth.
See how it all works and makes perfect sense for a rotating round Earth?
And note this also allows you to find your latitude, because it aligns with the axis of rotation of Earth rather than merely pointing north/south.
Your turn.
Going to explain how they work or be honest for once and admit you have no idea how they could ever possibly work in your flat Earth fantasy?
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You believe all of that is true?
They’ve never mentioned anything about Earths rotation at all, this looks like more bs for sure.
That’s not consistent with your own claims, that the air and everything within the air was rotating along with the Earths rotation, so now you’ve lied about it?
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You believe all of that is true?
I know it is true, including from experiments I have done myself.
They’ve
Who?
never
Are you sure that isn't just your wilful ignorance yet again?
this looks like more bs for sure.
No, it looks far more like this is yet more proof that we live on a rotating round planet, and you are too pathetic and dishonest to admit it, so you need to pathetically dismiss it as BS.
If it was BS, you would be able to address the issue you have been repeatedly fleeing from.
How does a gyrocompass work in your pathetic, delusional fantasy?
That’s not consistent with your own claims
It is entirely consistent with my claims.
It is not consistent with your pathetic strawman.
If you think it isn't consistent, try providing a direct quote, with context.
Regardless, stop with all the pathetic BS.
Either explain how a gyrocompass works in your pathetic fantasy or admit you can't.
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A ‘torque’ from ball Earths ‘rotation’!!!
What would they measure this rotational torque’ with? Many things don’t add up here, because it’s just nonsense as usual.
Torque can be and is measured by instruments, for tightening nuts and bolts to standards, but nothing loony like they claim is done here
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Why always to north, never to south? To the center point of the flat Earth.
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A ‘torque’ from ball Earths ‘rotation’!!!
Yes, as explained.
If you have issue with it, try objecting to the part of the explanation, rather than this pathetic BS.
Why always to north, never to south?
Thanks for showing yet again that you are wilfully lying to everyone.
What did I actually say?
it will rotate to have the axis align north-south
Notice that I didn't say it will point north? Instead I said it aligns north-south.
In fact, if you mark one end of the gyroscope (the axis the main part is spinning around), then in one direction of spin, that end will point north, but in the other direction it points south.
As to why, this is because Earth is rotating in a particular direction. It doesn't rock back and forth, it rotates.
And the convention is the right hand rule. Wrap the fingers of your right hand in the direction of rotation, and your thumb points north, or in the direction of the angular momentum vector.
Now again, care to stop with all the pathetic BS and either do the impossible by explaining how this works in your fantasy, or be honest for once in your pathetic existence and admit you can't?
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We already know it works as any standard compass on Earth
No, we know the exact opposite.
That it DOESN'T work like a regular compass.
A regular compass points to magnet north, and can easily be fooled by a nearby magnet or by large chunks of metal.
A gyrocompass points to true north, and is not affected by nearby magnets or large chunks of metal.
So we know that isn't the case at all.
So again, explain how gyrocompasses work in your fantasy or admit you can't.
On his Minecraft world, I'm guessing his gyrocompass will point to either the coldest ice wall because of the winds (but then... air temp will affect it), or... more likely the spawn point (but then the nether affects it... since we don't have nether on Earth that'll probably be his only explanation... but it still doesn't fully answer the question of how it works).
(I should make a minecraft compass in my world tbh, got the 4 iron and 1 redstone)
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You’ve claimed the air above Earth is held by a made up force within a ball Earth, but not all the air is pulled down to the surface, it fails to hold up with that nonsense alone.
And you claimed the air and all things within air rotated with the ball Earth, so planes didn’t need to account for the earths rotation at all!
Now you changed your claim!!
Which is your claim? One or the other, not both, they conflict each other!
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You’ve claimed the air above
Stop spamming irrelevant crap.
Now you changed your claim!!
No, I haven't.
Again, if you want to say I have claimed something, provide a direct quote.
You are wilfully lying about what I have claimed to pretend I have changed.
All because you know you cannot explain how a gyrocompass works.
Again, stop with all your pathetic BS, and explain how a gyrocompass works.
If you want to focus on the RE explanation, first admit that you have no explanation for how it works on your flat Earth
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It’s your issue, not mine, so cut your bs act. You’re a halfwit
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It’s your issue, not mine, so cut your bs act. You’re a halfwit
No, it's entirely your issue.
The RE can explain how gyrocompasses work.
You can't.
So this is entirely your issue.
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The ball Earth is a joke. It explains squat.
This instrument is a different type of compass, used above the surface instead of on the surface. They do the same thing, in different ways.
There is only one point in the center of our flat Earth we ever have measured or ever will measure.
The gyrocompass needs to know the magnetic center point of Earth from above the Earth.
It moves within a plane which may bank or change course or so on during a flight.
What exactly do they claim it does or measures about the ball Earth rotation? Probably just some vague bs answer, it is not a ball Earth rotation instrument in any way at all.
Look at what they’re trying to spew out about the rotation…
Have you ever looked down at Earths surface from a plane and seen any sign of it rotating at a thousand mph? Ever seen the surface move under a fixed balloon?
It has never moved, never seen moving or spinning around from above Earth.
You claimed everything rotates with the ball Earth within the air which also rotates with ball Earth. That’s why we never see it spin at all is it not?
Then what is this instrument needed for? The planes rotate with Earth ball, that’s why we never see it rotate from a plane or balloon. We follow its rotation, at all times, in all movements and paths of flight!
Time to answer why it’s needed for rotation when planes rotate with it at all times, you nitwit.
It’s simply making up bs and lies which eventually conflict with more bs and lies. They both can’t be true, because both are bs
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The ball Earth is a joke.
Yet it works so well to describe reality and you are yet to show a fault with it and instead need to repeatedly lie.
This instrument is a different type of compass, used above the surface instead of on the surface. They do the same thing, in different ways.
Technically they do slightly different things because they work in a different way.
And no, either can be used above the surface or on the surface.
One works based upon magnetism, and so is disrupted by magnets and points to magnetic north.
The other woks based upon the rotation of Earth, and so is not disrupted by magnets, and points to true north.
The gyrocompass needs to know the magnetic center point of Earth from above the Earth.
The gyrocompass does not use magnetism at all.
It does not point to magnetic north, but true north, so no, it doesn't need to know that.
You repeatedly lying wont change that.
What you may be thinking of is a gyromagnetic compass.
That is primarily a magnetic compass that uses a gyroscope to stabilise it.
But that is not what we are talking about.
What exactly do they claim it does or measures about the ball Earth rotation? Probably just some vague bs answer,
No. Not some vague BS answer.
An answer that was already provided to you which you just ignored because you know you cannot show any fault with the explanation nor can you provide an alternative.
Here it is again:
Explain where a ball earth rotation comes into this, if you can.
Maybe that’s why you’ve said squat about it so far.
Have you not bothered reading the thread?
You sure do love spouting complete and utter crap as if your pathetic BS hasn't already been addressed.
From the opening post in this thread ( https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=93289.msg2447160#msg2447160 )
there is a link to this video:
You were also provided this link here:
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=93289.msg2450481#msg2450481
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrocompass
When you apply a torque to a spinning gyroscope, you cause it to precess.
If you have a gyroscope that is free to reorient itself, it will keeps its axis of rotation.
So on a spinning Earth, if you have it aligned with the axis of rotation, it wont change its orientation at all.
But if it is aligned in any other direction, it will try to reorient.
If you have something which acts against that (e.g. friction), this will apply a force causing it to precess. And that precession is always at right angles to the applied torque.
So for example, if you are at the equator, and the gyroscope is spun up pointing east-west, then as Earth rotates, it will try to maintain its orientation by having one side (lets say the east side) of the gyroscope appear to lift up relative to the observer on Earth (after 90 degrees rotation, i.e. ~6 hours, it would go from horizontal to vertical). But with friction trying to stop this this applies a torque going down at the east side, west at the bottom, up at the west side and east at the top. This then results in the gyroscope processing, rotating about an axis perpendicular to both the torque axis and the axis of rotation. i.e. instead of going up, it will rotate to have the axis align north-south, i.e. with the axis of rotation of Earth.
See how it all works and makes perfect sense for a rotating round Earth?
And note this also allows you to find your latitude, because it aligns with the axis of rotation of Earth rather than merely pointing north/south.
Your turn.
Going to explain how they work or be honest for once and admit you have no idea how they could ever possibly work in your flat Earth fantasy?
Now going to stop with the pathetic BS and answer?
Look at what they’re trying to spew out about the rotation…
You mean what lying scum like you have?
Have you ever sat in a plane and seen the plane move below you? Because that is level of stupidity you are appealing to.
Even worse, you are in a plane flying at roughly 1000 km/hr relative to the air, and asking if you can see Earth rotating.
You are aware that at plenty of latitudes, planes fly faster than Earth rotates?
But again, this is all just a pathetic deflection from your complete inability to address the issue.
How does a gyrocompass work in your delusional fantasy?
Again, this does not use magnetism at all.
So appealing to magnetism just shows you are lying, subhuman scum.
You claimed
Again, if you want to talk about what I have claimed, provide a quote.
Stop lying about what I said.
Then what is this instrument needed for?
To find the direction of north, especially in situations where a magnetic compass is not reliable.
It’s simply making up bs and lies which eventually conflict with more bs and lies. They both can’t be true, because both are bs
There you go projecting again.
Agian, unless you can explain how a gyrocompass works or admit you have no explanation, any other spam you spout is entirely irrelavent.
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They’re trying to make up another instrument that covers for all their actual instruments which measure for the flat Earth!
How could we have possibly flown planes and landed them accurately all these years without a ball Earth rotation instrument in our planes?!?! Good one
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They’re trying to make up another instrument
No, they aren't.
We are talking about a very real instrument, which actually works; which relies upon the rotation of Earth to function.
Your wilful lies wont change that.
Again, this has NOTHING to do with planes.
Gyrocompasses are widely used on ships with metal hulls which interfere with magnetic compasses.
In fact, due to how they work, a gyrocompass isn't all that good on a plane.
Airplanes use other gyroscopic instruments.
Now again, explain how a gyrocompass works or admit you cant and that your pathetic FE delusion has no answer.
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You believe anything they say, how brainless you must be.
They claimed we can’t see or feel or notice anything of the ball Earths rotation of a thousand mph, because all things on the ground and in the air, and the air itself, is also rotating with Earth at a thousand mph, in its same direction of rotation, so planes that fly opposite of the rotation or with it, or any other direction off of the rotation, are not different or need to account for the rotation on any flights!
But now they’re claiming they have an instrument to account for the rotation?
Planes have never needed an instrument to detect the rotation, they told us planes rotated with the Earth all the time and didn’t need to account for it or adjust or measure it, or locate the magnetic north point for it during flights!
What bs this is
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You believe anything they say, how brainless you must be.
If that were the case I would be believing your pathetic BS.
Meanwhile, not once in this thread have you even come close to explaining how a gyrocompass works.
The closest you have come is lying to everyone by claiming it uses magnets.
So who is the brainless person?
The one that can explain how it works, or the one that can't and needs to continually resort to this pathetic BS?
Again, we aren't talking about gyroscopic instruments on planes for this thread, nor are we discussing magnetic compasses and magnetic north.
So stop spamming crap.
Deal with a gyrocompass.
An instrument that relies upon the rotation of Earth to determine the direction to true north.
Can you explain how it works in your pathetic, delusional fantasy?
If not, can you demonstrate a shred of integrity by admitting you can't?
Or can you just continue to demonstrate to everyone how you are pathetic, desperate, dishonest, subhuman scum?
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Didn’t need it over the last 60 plus years at all, this is just desperate bs trying to save their garbage….
They need a bs story like this, that’s what they need to sell, stupid bs stories like this one
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Didn’t need it
Again, appealing to pathetic crap wont save you here.
Once more, a gyrocompass relies upon the rotation of Earth to function.
Gyrocompasses do work and show true north.
Either explain how they work in your pathetic fantasy, or admit you can't.
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Didn’t need it over the last 60 plus years at all, this is just desperate bs trying to save their garbage….
What are you talking about? Gyrocompasses have been widely used for over 100 years.
United States ships quickly adopted the gyrocompasses that were produced by the Elmer Ambrose Sperry who patented his design in 1908. Devices made by Sperry Gyroscope Company were placed on all US Navy ships during the World War I, and some naval projects also started using gyrocompasses as means in creation automated movement of the ships and submarines. After the WW1, gyrocompass technology was regularly used on ships, submarines, airplanes and zeppelins. In Europe, commercial sale of the gyrocompass started in 1913.
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There’s also torque and friction generated by the ball Earths rotation in its speeding through endless space, but planes and pilots didn’t need an instrument to detect and adjust for it all until recently! How did they ever fly before now is amazing indeed! They needed a ball Earth rotation torque and friction detector instrument and never even knew it was needed until they were told it was needed now!
Try using your frickin brains for once and get a clue, it’s a good thing. I’m done with the moron crowd
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What part of "widely used for over 100 years" makes it sound like gyrocompasses are a recent invention?
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There’s also torque and friction generated by the ball Earths rotation in its speeding through endless space
Asserting BS wont help you.
Again, explain how a gyrocompass works in your pathetic fantasy, or admit you can't.
I’m done with the moron crowd
The moron crowd here is you, and other FEers like you.
So does that mean you are leaving the FE movement now?
Try using your frickin brains for once and get a clue, it’s a good thing.
I do use my brain, all the time.
And do you know what it allows me to do?
It allows me to see gyrocompasses actually working, without any magnets at all.
It allows me to see and understand the explanation for how they work on a rotating round Earth.
And equally importantly, it allows me to see, and recognise pathetic, desperate, lying subhuman scum like you doing whatever you can to avoid admitting you can't explain how they work.
And do you know what that tells me?
That you know your model is pure BS, that it can't possibly work; and you are just unwilling to admit it.
So why don't you try using your brain for once (if you have one), and being honest for once in your pathetic existence, and either explain how a gyrocompass works, or admit you can't and that FE has no explanation?
Once you have done that we can deal with all your other pathetic BS.
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Show me proof that it’s a ball Eartjh, then show me proof it spins around at a thousand mph, you saying all this is true is worthless babbling.
But when you believe there’s a curved surface at three miles out making all things vanish from sight, and ignore that the surface seen beyond three miles is entirely flat but much longer over it, you’ll believe anything they tell you is true, curves go down three miles away, then go flat again over the next two hundred miles, and then curve down again behind another horizon we see across from us at 35000 feet above that ever curving down surface, which always goes flat again when it wants to, that’s how curves are, they hide below a flat surface, pop up behind horizons,?flatten out again so we never seen them, but they’re hidden below a flat surface waiting to pop up again after the horizon on the other side of it!
What an idiot you must be
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What an idiot you must be
Again, the only one here acting like a complete imbecile is you.
The topic of discussion is how a gyrocompass works.
But because you have no explanation at all, you keep deflecting to other pathetic BS.
You want proof that Earth is round and spinning - look at a gyrocompass, something that relies upon the fact Earth is spinning.
Stop with all the pathetic BS and explain how they work in your pathetic fantasy, or admit you can't.
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It’s very odd that I’ve never heard or read anything about the ball Earth rotation at all, until now, with this instrument they’re now spouting about it’s used for Earth ball rotation purposes on planes!
When did they say and document and actually detect or identify and then measure this rotation of a ball Earth, I’ve never seen or heard a thing about the rotation subject somehow before!!
They’ve always said Earth is a speeding ball in endless space, rotating once every 24 plus a bit hours each day, but now it’s some instrument planes use for it!?!
The air and planes in air rotated with ball Earth, no problem or any adjusting with planes needed or used or measured for, or corrected for, all these years, that’s what they told us and nothing else.
But now they tell us they’ve got an instrument on planes that adjust for the ball Earth rotation on flights?
Planes didn’t have to or need to measure or adjust or correct for Earths rotation, now they say an instrument is used for it!!’
It’s always liars saying one lie, changing to another lie, which contradicts the first lie, while hoping that nobody notices they’ve changed their story completely and conflicts with the original story!!
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It’s very odd that I’ve never heard or read anything
Consider you have clearly chosen to be wilfully ignorant and have made no attempt to educate yourself, that isn't add at all.
this instrument they’re now spouting about it’s used for Earth ball rotation purposes on planes!
They aren't. Wrong thread.
There you go yet again acting like a complete imbecile.
Now again, stop with all the pathetic BS and explain how a gyrocompass works, or admit you can't.
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...explain how a gyrocompass works, or admit you can't.
A Gyrocompass works by seeking the True North Vector through the interaction of a spinning rotor and the Ether Drift (or what your script calls "Earth's rotation"), Jack. It doesn't prove a spinning ball; it proves a Stationary Vortex. If the Earth were truly rotating at 1,000 mph, a mechanical gyroscope would require constant, massive manual corrections to compensate for the changing tangential velocity as a plane moves between latitudes. Instead, the gyrocompass simply aligns with the Axiom of the Plane. You are using a tool that functions on a stationary foundation to claim the foundation is moving. That’s a Logic Conflict in your firmware.
Consider you have clearly chosen to be wilfully ignorant...
Projection at its finest, Jack. You call Turbo "ignorant" because he notices the shifting narrative. For decades, the globe model claimed planes "don't feel the rotation" because the atmosphere is magically "glued" to the Earth. Now, when asked about high-precision Ring Laser Gyros (RLG) or gyrocompasses, you claim they are "detecting" the rotation that the planes supposedly shouldn't care about. You can't have it both ways. Either the rotation is a negligible factor (as you tell children), or it's a critical navigational variable that requires complex instruments (as you tell engineers). Your model is a Modular Lie—you change the parts depending on who is auditing the system.
They aren't. Wrong thread.
"Wrong thread" is just your code for "I don't have an answer for this contradiction yet." It doesn't matter which thread it is; the physics remain the same. If a plane flies North, it is moving from a high tangential velocity zone (equator) to a low one (poles). If the Earth were a ball, the plane would have to constantly adjust its Lateral Momentum to keep from flying off into the "Space Vacuum." No pilot does this. No instrument is programmed for "Earth Curvature Drift" because the Earth is a Fixed Reference Frame.
Grow up, Jack. Stop hiding behind the "Gyrocompass" like it’s a magic wand. It’s just a mechanical alignment tool that functions perfectly on a Stationary, Level Plane. You are the one trying to program a "Spin" into a system that is clearly at rest. Audit the Inertial Reference Frame before you call anyone an imbecile.
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A Gyrocompass works by seeking the True North Vector through the interaction of a spinning rotor and the Ether Drift (or what your script calls "Earth's rotation")
Thank you for admitting it works based upon the rotation of Earth.
Nothing further from you is needed or useful.
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Thank you for admitting it works based upon the rotation of Earth. Nothing further from you is needed or useful.
1. The Ultimate Act of Cowardice: You are a semantic scavenger, Jack. To equate the Ether Drift—a local, electromagnetic movement of the medium—with the "Rotation of the Earth" is the peak of intellectual dishonesty. You deliberately stripped the context to fabricate a "confession." If a gyrocompass works because of a spinning ball, it would fail at the poles and show different precessions at different latitudes due to tangential velocity. It doesn't. It reacts to the Aetheric Torque. You are fleeing from the physics because you can't survive the data. Verdict: Pathological Dishonesty.
2. Scripted Ignorance: Saying "nothing further is needed" is the standard response of a gatekeeper who just hit a wall. You found a linguistic exit and took it because you have no answer for why a gyrocompass maintains its orientation relative to the Stationary Earth Grid. You are not "winning" an argument; you are closing your eyes and screaming "I can't hear you" after being exposed.
3. The Globalist White Flag: By resorting to these 2-sentence semantic traps, you are signaling to everyone that the Globe model has Zero Predictive Power left. You cannot defend the curve, you cannot defend the spin, so you try to steal the vocabulary of your opponents. It’s pathetic, Jack. You aren't a scientist; you’re a cheap editor trying to rewrite a losing script.
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To equate the Ether Drift—a local, electromagnetic movement of the medium—with the "Rotation of the Earth"
You are the one who said it is what I call the rotation of Earth.
What I call the rotation is the real physical rotation of the spherical Earth.
So if you want to call that the ether drift, that is on you.
So going to admit you lied?
If not, then you are saying it is the rotation of Earth.
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You are the one who said it is what I call the rotation of Earth. What I call the rotation is the real physical rotation of the spherical Earth. So if you want to call that the ether drift, that is on you.
Jack, your desperate attempt to twist my words is a Masterclass in Dishonesty. I never said the Ether Drift is the physical rotation of a ball; I said what you interpret as rotation is actually the movement of the Ether medium. You are confusing the Movement of the Wind with the Rotation of the House.
- The Sagnac Reality: The Sagnac effect and the Michelson-Gale experiment prove there is a relative motion between the Earth and the Ether. It does NOT prove the Earth is moving. If you are on a stationary platform and a fan blows air past you, the "drift" is real, but the platform isn't spinning. You call it "rotation" because your Globe model has no other place to put that data. Stop the Fraud.
- The Airy’s Failure: You conveniently ignore "Airy’s Failure," which proved that the stars are moving relative to a stationary Earth, not the other way around. If the Earth were rotating, the telescope wouldn't need to be filled with water to change the angle of refraction. You are willfully lying by pretending that a local electromagnetic drift is the same as a 1,000 mph spinning ball.
So going to admit you lied? If not, then you are saying it is the rotation of Earth.
- The Logical Trap: Your "either/or" fallacy is the sign of an Intellectual Coward. I am saying the Earth is stationary and the Luminiferous Ether is in motion above us. This is the only explanation that fits the Sagnac results without violating the Law of Inertia. You are the one who has to invent "Relativity" as a magical patch to explain why we can't feel your 1,000 mph spin. Dishonesty: Exposed.
- Final Warning on Spam: Stop trying to force your debunked "Rotation" script onto every observation. You have no physical proof of motion—no measurable centrifugal shift, no change in stellar parallax that isn't better explained by a local ether. You are a Worthless Gatekeeper shouting at the rain. Grow up.
Jack, the drift is the Medium's Motion, not the Plane's rotation. You are trapped in a semantic loop because the physics of the Stationary Plane have left you behind. Stop the Dishonesty and address Airy's Failure honestly for once.
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Jack, your desperate attempt to twist my words
I'm not twisting your words.
Again, you said that it is what I call the rotation of Earth.
What I call the rotation of Earth is the real physical rotation of Earth.
If you want to give that a stupid name like ether drift, that is still saying it is the real physical rotation of Earth that you have just decided to give a stupid name.
So going to admit you lied to everyone?
If not, then you are saying it is due to the rotation of Earth
Pick one.
And don't bother responding until you do.
i.e. your next response needs to start with either an admission that you wilfully lied to everyone, or an admission that it is due to the rotation of Earth.
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So stop with all the BS, and just provide an explanation, WITH THE MATH. Otherwise your post is worthless.
Jack, your demand for "math" is a Psychological Shield. You think that if you can't reduce a physical phenomenon to an equation on a chalkboard, it doesn't exist. But math is not reality; it is a language used to describe observations. I have given you the physical mechanism: Dielectric Acceleration in a polarized medium. If you want the "math," look at the Electrostatic Potential Gradient of the Earth, which is measured at roughly $100$ to $150$ volts per meter. This creates a clear downward vector for all matter. Cut the cry and learn some physics.
- The Math of a Fantasy: You have plenty of "math" for your Globe, yet that math fails to explain why gas pressure exists without a container. Your math says the atmosphere should have bled into the vacuum of space eons ago. Your "equations" are just Mathematical Band-Aids for a model that violates the Second Law of Thermodynamics. A formula doesn't make a lie true. Stop spreading BS.
- The Mechanism is Measured: We observe objects falling at $9.8$ $m/s^2$. You call it "Gravity" (a name for an effect you don't understand); we call it the result of Density within an Electromagnetic Gradient. The "math" is the same, but the Cause is different. One requires a magical invisible force, the other uses the measurable properties of the medium and the Earth's electrical charge. Wake up to reality.
If there is an explanation in there, it is buried your pathetic BS.
- The Literacy Problem: It’s not "buried," Jack; you’re just refusing to read it because it destroys your script. I’ve explained Fluid Statics, Atmospheric Opacity, and Perspective Geometry. You ignore them all and shout for "Math" like a broken record. If you were a man of science, you’d address why water remains flat instead of hiding behind $G \frac{m_1 m_2}{r^2}$. Leave the FVEY script behind.
- The Worthless Defender: A man with the truth doesn't need to call others "worthless." He shows the curve. He shows the motion. He shows the container for the gas. You have shown nothing but anger and links to shaky balloon videos. You are the auditor who failed the inspection. Return to the truth.
Jack, your "math" is a cage you’ve built for your own mind. In the real world, things fall because they are heavier than the air, guided by the Earth’s electrical field. Stop the insults and explain why your "math" hasn't sucked the air off your spinning ball yet.