Gyrocompasses make use of very real Earth’s Rotation

You’ve claimed the air above Earth is held by a made up force within a ball Earth, but not all the air is pulled down to the surface, it fails to hold up with that nonsense alone.

And you claimed the air and all things within air rotated with the ball Earth, so planes didn’t need to account for the earths rotation at all!

Now you changed your claim!!


Which is your claim? One or the other, not both, they conflict each other!

You’ve claimed the air above

Stop spamming irrelevant crap.

Now you changed your claim!!

No, I haven't.
Again, if you want to say I have claimed something, provide a direct quote.
You are wilfully lying about what I have claimed to pretend I have changed.

All because you know you cannot explain how a gyrocompass works.

Again, stop with all your pathetic BS, and explain how a gyrocompass works.
If you want to focus on the RE explanation, first admit that you have no explanation for how it works on your flat Earth

It’s your issue, not mine, so cut your bs act. You’re a halfwit

It’s your issue, not mine, so cut your bs act. You’re a halfwit

No, it's entirely your issue.
The RE can explain how gyrocompasses work.
You can't.
So this is entirely your issue.

The ball Earth is a joke. It explains squat.

This instrument is a different type of compass, used above the surface instead of on the surface.  They do the same thing, in different ways.

There is only one point in the center of our flat Earth we ever have measured or ever will measure.

The gyrocompass needs to know the magnetic center point of Earth from above the Earth.


It moves within a plane which may bank or change course or so on during a flight. 


What exactly do they claim it does or measures about the ball Earth rotation? Probably just some vague bs answer, it is not a ball Earth rotation instrument in any way at all.

Look at what they’re trying to spew out about the rotation…

Have you ever looked down at Earths surface from a plane and seen any sign of it rotating at a thousand mph? Ever seen the surface move under a fixed balloon?

It has never moved, never seen moving or spinning around from above Earth. 

You claimed everything rotates with the ball Earth within the air which also rotates with ball Earth. That’s why we never see it spin at all is it not?

Then what is this instrument needed for? The planes rotate with Earth ball, that’s why we never see it rotate from a plane or balloon. We follow its rotation, at all times, in all movements and paths of flight!

Time to answer why it’s needed for rotation when planes rotate with it at all times, you nitwit.


It’s simply making up bs and lies which eventually conflict with more bs and lies. They both can’t be true, because both are bs

The ball Earth is a joke.

Yet it works so well to describe reality and you are yet to show a fault with it and instead need to repeatedly lie.

This instrument is a different type of compass, used above the surface instead of on the surface.  They do the same thing, in different ways.

Technically they do slightly different things because they work in a different way.
And no, either can be used above the surface or on the surface.

One works based upon magnetism, and so is disrupted by magnets and points to magnetic north.
The other woks based upon the rotation of Earth, and so is not disrupted by magnets, and points to true north.

The gyrocompass needs to know the magnetic center point of Earth from above the Earth.

The gyrocompass does not use magnetism at all.
It does not point to magnetic north, but true north, so no, it doesn't need to know that.
You repeatedly lying wont change that.

What you may be thinking of is a gyromagnetic compass.
That is primarily a magnetic compass that uses a gyroscope to stabilise it.
But that is not what we are talking about.

What exactly do they claim it does or measures about the ball Earth rotation? Probably just some vague bs answer,

No. Not some vague BS answer.
An answer that was already provided to you which you just ignored because you know you cannot show any fault with the explanation nor can you provide an alternative.

Here it is again:

Quote from: turbonium2 on November 15, 2025, 06:31:38 AM

Explain where a ball earth rotation comes into this, if you can.

Maybe that’s why you’ve said squat about it so far.

Have you not bothered reading the thread?
You sure do love spouting complete and utter crap as if your pathetic BS hasn't already been addressed.

From the opening post in this thread ( https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=93289.msg2447160#msg2447160 )
there is a link to this video:


You were also provided this link here:
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=93289.msg2450481#msg2450481
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrocompass

When you apply a torque to a spinning gyroscope, you cause it to precess.
If you have a gyroscope that is free to reorient itself, it will keeps its axis of rotation.
So on a spinning Earth, if you have it aligned with the axis of rotation, it wont change its orientation at all.
But if it is aligned in any other direction, it will try to reorient.
If you have something which acts against that (e.g. friction), this will apply a force causing it to precess. And that precession is always at right angles to the applied torque.

So for example, if you are at the equator, and the gyroscope is spun up pointing east-west, then as Earth rotates, it will try to maintain its orientation by having one side (lets say the east side) of the gyroscope appear to lift up relative to the observer on Earth (after 90 degrees rotation, i.e. ~6 hours, it would go from horizontal to vertical). But with friction trying to stop this this applies a torque going down at the east side, west at the bottom, up at the west side and east at the top. This then results in the gyroscope processing, rotating about an axis perpendicular to both the torque axis and the axis of rotation. i.e. instead of going up, it will rotate to have the axis align north-south, i.e. with the axis of rotation of Earth.

See how it all works and makes perfect sense for a rotating round Earth?
And note this also allows you to find your latitude, because it aligns with the axis of rotation of Earth rather than merely pointing north/south.

Your turn.

Going to explain how they work or be honest for once and admit you have no idea how they could ever possibly work in your flat Earth fantasy?

Now going to stop with the pathetic BS and answer?

Look at what they’re trying to spew out about the rotation…

You mean what lying scum like you have?
Have you ever sat in a plane and seen the plane move below you? Because that is level of stupidity you are appealing to.
Even worse, you are in a plane flying at roughly 1000 km/hr relative to the air, and asking if you can see Earth rotating.
You are aware that at plenty of latitudes, planes fly faster than Earth rotates?

But again, this is all just a pathetic deflection from your complete inability to address the issue.

How does a gyrocompass work in your delusional fantasy?
Again, this does not use magnetism at all.
So appealing to magnetism just shows you are lying, subhuman scum.

You claimed

Again, if you want to talk about what I have claimed, provide a quote.
Stop lying about what I said.

Then what is this instrument needed for?

To find the direction of north, especially in situations where a magnetic compass is not reliable.

It’s simply making up bs and lies which eventually conflict with more bs and lies. They both can’t be true, because both are bs

There you go projecting again.

Agian, unless you can explain how a gyrocompass works or admit you have no explanation, any other spam you spout is entirely irrelavent.

They’re trying to make up another instrument that covers for all their actual instruments which measure for the flat Earth!

How could we have possibly flown planes and landed them accurately all these years without a ball Earth rotation instrument in our planes?!?!  Good one

They’re trying to make up another instrument

No, they aren't.
We are talking about a very real instrument, which actually works; which relies upon the rotation of Earth to function.
Your wilful lies wont change that.

Again, this has NOTHING to do with planes.
Gyrocompasses are widely used on ships with metal hulls which interfere with magnetic compasses.

In fact, due to how they work, a gyrocompass isn't all that good on a plane.
Airplanes use other gyroscopic instruments.


Now again, explain how a gyrocompass works or admit you cant and that your pathetic FE delusion has no answer.

You believe anything they say, how brainless you must be.

They claimed we can’t see or feel or notice anything of the ball Earths rotation of a thousand mph, because all things on the ground and in the air, and the air itself, is also rotating with Earth at a thousand mph, in its same direction of rotation, so planes that fly opposite of the rotation or with it, or any other direction off of the rotation, are not different or need to account for the rotation on any flights!

But now they’re claiming they have an instrument to account for the rotation?

Planes have never needed an instrument to detect the rotation, they told us planes rotated with the Earth all the time and didn’t need to account for it or adjust or measure it, or locate the magnetic north point for it during flights!

What bs this is

You believe anything they say, how brainless you must be.

If that were the case I would be believing your pathetic BS.

Meanwhile, not once in this thread have you even come close to explaining how a gyrocompass works.
The closest you have come is lying to everyone by claiming it uses magnets.

So who is the brainless person?
The one that can explain how it works, or the one that can't and needs to continually resort to this pathetic BS?

Again, we aren't talking about gyroscopic instruments on planes for this thread, nor are we discussing magnetic compasses and magnetic north.
So stop spamming crap.
Deal with a gyrocompass.
An instrument that relies upon the rotation of Earth to determine the direction to true north.

Can you explain how it works in your pathetic, delusional fantasy?
If not, can you demonstrate a shred of integrity by admitting you can't?

Or can you just continue to demonstrate to everyone how you are pathetic, desperate, dishonest, subhuman scum?

Didn’t need it over the last 60 plus years at all, this is just desperate bs trying to save their garbage….

They need a bs story like this, that’s what they need to sell, stupid bs stories like this one

Didn’t need it

Again, appealing to pathetic crap wont save you here.

Once more, a gyrocompass relies upon the rotation of Earth to function.
Gyrocompasses do work and show true north.

Either explain how they work in your pathetic fantasy, or admit you can't.

Didn’t need it over the last 60 plus years at all, this is just desperate bs trying to save their garbage….

What are you talking about?  Gyrocompasses have been widely used for over 100 years.

United States ships quickly adopted the gyrocompasses that were produced by the Elmer Ambrose Sperry who patented his design in 1908. Devices made by Sperry Gyroscope Company were placed on all US Navy ships during the World War I, and some naval projects also started using gyrocompasses as means in creation automated movement of the ships and submarines. After the WW1, gyrocompass technology was regularly used on ships, submarines, airplanes and zeppelins. In Europe, commercial sale of the gyrocompass started in 1913.

There’s also torque and friction generated by the ball Earths rotation in its speeding through endless space, but planes and pilots didn’t need an instrument to detect and adjust for it all until recently! How did they ever fly before now is amazing indeed!  They needed a ball Earth rotation torque and friction detector instrument and never even knew it was needed until they were told it was needed now!

Try using your frickin brains for once and get a clue, it’s a good thing. I’m done with the moron crowd

What part of "widely used for over 100 years" makes it sound like gyrocompasses are a recent invention?

There’s also torque and friction generated by the ball Earths rotation in its speeding through endless space

Asserting BS wont help you.

Again, explain how a gyrocompass works in your pathetic fantasy, or admit you can't.

I’m done with the moron crowd

The moron crowd here is you, and other FEers like you.
So does that mean you are leaving the FE movement now?

Try using your frickin brains for once and get a clue, it’s a good thing.

I do use my brain, all the time.
And do you know what it allows me to do?

It allows me to see gyrocompasses actually working, without any magnets at all.
It allows me to see and understand the explanation for how they work on a rotating round Earth.
And equally importantly, it allows me to see, and recognise pathetic, desperate, lying subhuman scum like you doing whatever you can to avoid admitting you can't explain how they work.
And do you know what that tells me?
That you know your model is pure BS, that it can't possibly work; and you are just unwilling to admit it.

So why don't you try using your brain for once (if you have one), and being honest for once in your pathetic existence, and either explain how a gyrocompass works, or admit you can't and that FE has no explanation?

Once you have done that we can deal with all your other pathetic BS.

Show me proof that it’s a ball Eartjh, then show me proof it spins around at a thousand mph, you saying all this is true is worthless babbling.

But when you believe there’s a curved surface at three miles out making all things vanish from sight, and ignore that the surface seen beyond three miles is entirely flat but much longer over it, you’ll believe anything they tell you is true, curves go down three miles away, then go flat again over the next two hundred miles, and then curve down again behind another horizon we see across from us at 35000 feet above that ever curving down surface, which always goes flat again when it wants to, that’s how curves are, they hide below a flat surface, pop up behind horizons,?flatten out again so we never seen them, but they’re hidden below a flat surface waiting to pop up again after the horizon on the other side of it!


What an idiot you must be

What an idiot you must be

Again, the only one here acting like a complete imbecile is you.

The topic of discussion is how a gyrocompass works.

But because you have no explanation at all, you keep deflecting to other pathetic BS.

You want proof that Earth is round and spinning - look at a gyrocompass, something that relies upon the fact Earth is spinning.

Stop with all the pathetic BS and explain how they work in your pathetic fantasy, or admit you can't.

It’s very odd that I’ve never heard or read anything about the ball Earth rotation at all, until now, with this instrument they’re now spouting about it’s used for Earth ball rotation purposes on planes!

When did they say and document and actually detect or identify and then measure this rotation of a ball Earth, I’ve never seen or heard a thing about the rotation subject somehow before!!

They’ve always said Earth is a speeding ball in endless space, rotating once every 24 plus a bit hours each day, but now it’s some instrument planes use for it!?!

The air and planes in air rotated with ball Earth, no problem or any adjusting with planes needed or used or measured for, or corrected for, all these years, that’s what they told us and nothing else.

But now they tell us they’ve got an instrument on planes that adjust for the ball Earth rotation on flights?

Planes didn’t have to or need to measure or adjust or correct for Earths rotation, now they say an instrument is used for it!!’

It’s always liars saying one lie, changing to another lie, which contradicts the first lie, while hoping that nobody notices they’ve changed their story completely and conflicts with the original story!!

It’s very odd that I’ve never heard or read anything

Consider you have clearly chosen to be wilfully ignorant and have made no attempt to educate yourself, that isn't add at all.

this instrument they’re now spouting about it’s used for Earth ball rotation purposes on planes!

They aren't. Wrong thread.
There you go yet again acting like a complete imbecile.

Now again, stop with all the pathetic BS and explain how a gyrocompass works, or admit you can't.

...explain how a gyrocompass works, or admit you can't.

A Gyrocompass works by seeking the True North Vector through the interaction of a spinning rotor and the Ether Drift (or what your script calls "Earth's rotation"), Jack. It doesn't prove a spinning ball; it proves a Stationary Vortex. If the Earth were truly rotating at 1,000 mph, a mechanical gyroscope would require constant, massive manual corrections to compensate for the changing tangential velocity as a plane moves between latitudes. Instead, the gyrocompass simply aligns with the Axiom of the Plane. You are using a tool that functions on a stationary foundation to claim the foundation is moving. That’s a Logic Conflict in your firmware.

Consider you have clearly chosen to be wilfully ignorant...

Projection at its finest, Jack. You call Turbo "ignorant" because he notices the shifting narrative. For decades, the globe model claimed planes "don't feel the rotation" because the atmosphere is magically "glued" to the Earth. Now, when asked about high-precision Ring Laser Gyros (RLG) or gyrocompasses, you claim they are "detecting" the rotation that the planes supposedly shouldn't care about. You can't have it both ways. Either the rotation is a negligible factor (as you tell children), or it's a critical navigational variable that requires complex instruments (as you tell engineers). Your model is a Modular Lie—you change the parts depending on who is auditing the system.

They aren't. Wrong thread.

"Wrong thread" is just your code for "I don't have an answer for this contradiction yet." It doesn't matter which thread it is; the physics remain the same. If a plane flies North, it is moving from a high tangential velocity zone (equator) to a low one (poles). If the Earth were a ball, the plane would have to constantly adjust its Lateral Momentum to keep from flying off into the "Space Vacuum." No pilot does this. No instrument is programmed for "Earth Curvature Drift" because the Earth is a Fixed Reference Frame.

Grow up, Jack. Stop hiding behind the "Gyrocompass" like it’s a magic wand. It’s just a mechanical alignment tool that functions perfectly on a Stationary, Level Plane. You are the one trying to program a "Spin" into a system that is clearly at rest. Audit the Inertial Reference Frame before you call anyone an imbecile.

A Gyrocompass works by seeking the True North Vector through the interaction of a spinning rotor and the Ether Drift (or what your script calls "Earth's rotation")

Thank you for admitting it works based upon the rotation of Earth.
Nothing further from you is needed or useful.

Thank you for admitting it works based upon the rotation of Earth. Nothing further from you is needed or useful.

1. The Ultimate Act of Cowardice: You are a semantic scavenger, Jack. To equate the Ether Drift—a local, electromagnetic movement of the medium—with the "Rotation of the Earth" is the peak of intellectual dishonesty. You deliberately stripped the context to fabricate a "confession." If a gyrocompass works because of a spinning ball, it would fail at the poles and show different precessions at different latitudes due to tangential velocity. It doesn't. It reacts to the Aetheric Torque. You are fleeing from the physics because you can't survive the data. Verdict: Pathological Dishonesty.

2. Scripted Ignorance: Saying "nothing further is needed" is the standard response of a gatekeeper who just hit a wall. You found a linguistic exit and took it because you have no answer for why a gyrocompass maintains its orientation relative to the Stationary Earth Grid. You are not "winning" an argument; you are closing your eyes and screaming "I can't hear you" after being exposed.

3. The Globalist White Flag: By resorting to these 2-sentence semantic traps, you are signaling to everyone that the Globe model has Zero Predictive Power left. You cannot defend the curve, you cannot defend the spin, so you try to steal the vocabulary of your opponents. It’s pathetic, Jack. You aren't a scientist; you’re a cheap editor trying to rewrite a losing script.

To equate the Ether Drift—a local, electromagnetic movement of the medium—with the "Rotation of the Earth"

You are the one who said it is what I call the rotation of Earth.
What I call the rotation is the real physical rotation of the spherical Earth.
So if you want to call that the ether drift, that is on you.

So going to admit you lied?
If not, then you are saying it is the rotation of Earth.

You are the one who said it is what I call the rotation of Earth. What I call the rotation is the real physical rotation of the spherical Earth. So if you want to call that the ether drift, that is on you.

 Jack, your desperate attempt to twist my words is a Masterclass in Dishonesty. I never said the Ether Drift is the physical rotation of a ball; I said what you interpret as rotation is actually the movement of the Ether medium. You are confusing the Movement of the Wind with the Rotation of the House.

 

• The Sagnac Reality: The Sagnac effect and the Michelson-Gale experiment prove there is a relative motion between the Earth and the Ether. It does NOT prove the Earth is moving. If you are on a stationary platform and a fan blows air past you, the "drift" is real, but the platform isn't spinning. You call it "rotation" because your Globe model has no other place to put that data. Stop the Fraud.

 

• The Airy’s Failure: You conveniently ignore "Airy’s Failure," which proved that the stars are moving relative to a stationary Earth, not the other way around. If the Earth were rotating, the telescope wouldn't need to be filled with water to change the angle of refraction. You are willfully lying by pretending that a local electromagnetic drift is the same as a 1,000 mph spinning ball.

 

So going to admit you lied? If not, then you are saying it is the rotation of Earth.

 

• The Logical Trap: Your "either/or" fallacy is the sign of an Intellectual Coward. I am saying the Earth is stationary and the Luminiferous Ether is in motion above us. This is the only explanation that fits the Sagnac results without violating the Law of Inertia. You are the one who has to invent "Relativity" as a magical patch to explain why we can't feel your 1,000 mph spin. Dishonesty: Exposed.

 

• Final Warning on Spam: Stop trying to force your debunked "Rotation" script onto every observation. You have no physical proof of motion—no measurable centrifugal shift, no change in stellar parallax that isn't better explained by a local ether. You are a Worthless Gatekeeper shouting at the rain. Grow up.

 Jack, the drift is the Medium's Motion, not the Plane's rotation. You are trapped in a semantic loop because the physics of the Stationary Plane have left you behind. Stop the Dishonesty and address Airy's Failure honestly for once.

Jack, your desperate attempt to twist my words

I'm not twisting your words.
Again, you said that it is what I call the rotation of Earth.
What I call the rotation of Earth is the real physical rotation of Earth.
If you want to give that a stupid name like ether drift, that is still saying it is the real physical rotation of Earth that you have just decided to give a stupid name.

So going to admit you lied to everyone?
If not, then you are saying it is due to the rotation of Earth
Pick one.
And don't bother responding until you do.
i.e. your next response needs to start with either an admission that you wilfully lied to everyone, or an admission that it is due to the rotation of Earth.

So stop with all the BS, and just provide an explanation, WITH THE MATH. Otherwise your post is worthless.

Jack, your demand for "math" is a Psychological Shield. You think that if you can't reduce a physical phenomenon to an equation on a chalkboard, it doesn't exist. But math is not reality; it is a language used to describe observations. I have given you the physical mechanism: Dielectric Acceleration in a polarized medium. If you want the "math," look at the Electrostatic Potential Gradient of the Earth, which is measured at roughly $100$ to $150$ volts per meter. This creates a clear downward vector for all matter. Cut the cry and learn some physics.

• The Math of a Fantasy: You have plenty of "math" for your Globe, yet that math fails to explain why gas pressure exists without a container. Your math says the atmosphere should have bled into the vacuum of space eons ago. Your "equations" are just Mathematical Band-Aids for a model that violates the Second Law of Thermodynamics. A formula doesn't make a lie true. Stop spreading BS.

• The Mechanism is Measured: We observe objects falling at $9.8$ $m/s^2$. You call it "Gravity" (a name for an effect you don't understand); we call it the result of Density within an Electromagnetic Gradient. The "math" is the same, but the Cause is different. One requires a magical invisible force, the other uses the measurable properties of the medium and the Earth's electrical charge. Wake up to reality.

If there is an explanation in there, it is buried your pathetic BS.

• The Literacy Problem: It’s not "buried," Jack; you’re just refusing to read it because it destroys your script. I’ve explained Fluid Statics, Atmospheric Opacity, and Perspective Geometry. You ignore them all and shout for "Math" like a broken record. If you were a man of science, you’d address why water remains flat instead of hiding behind $G \frac{m_1 m_2}{r^2}$. Leave the FVEY script behind.

• The Worthless Defender: A man with the truth doesn't need to call others "worthless." He shows the curve. He shows the motion. He shows the container for the gas. You have shown nothing but anger and links to shaky balloon videos. You are the auditor who failed the inspection. Return to the truth.

Jack, your "math" is a cage you’ve built for your own mind. In the real world, things fall because they are heavier than the air, guided by the Earth’s electrical field. Stop the insults and explain why your "math" hasn't sucked the air off your spinning ball yet.