The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth General => Topic started by: brutal delux on July 07, 2015, 12:06:16 PM
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Let me introduce myself by saying i am and always have considered myself to be an atheist, not overly impressed with the requirements to not let the absence of facts stand in the way of reaching a conclusion was an irreconcilable problem that i had and still have with belief systems so i rely on science to provide me with evidence on which i could build knowledge and understanding because i'm all about truth.
My hunger for truth has led me down many rabbit holes and i've bought in to many conspiracy theories on the strength of the overwhelming available "evidence" in support of one "theory" compared to the total absence of evidence supporting another but i have avoided the flat earth theory videos on youtube like the plague and why wouldn't i, i'm not a nutter am i?
science tells me that the earth is a globe, revolving on its axis with a moon in its orbit that it takes on its journey around the sun and superficially the theory makes sense to me, there are a few bits i don't understand when i go deeper into the theory but that's just because i lack the imagination and intelligence to understand the complexities of the additional theories like the big bang, relativity and special relativity etc that explain the flaws i encounter in the theory so i just accept it as fact and move on.
unperturbed by my lack of imagination and intelligence i develop an interest in quantum physics and what i discover shook me to the core, apparently every thing we see and cant see is made up of particles and/or waves, two competely different things but when tested particles can appear to be waves and vice versa depending on what the observer is looking to see, how can this be. how can a particle still be a particle while at the same time exist as a wave, something completely different depending on how it is observed, i can't quite get my head around this but i accept it as fact and move on
Watching an Obama speech the other day he implied that climate change deniers were among the same bunch of nutters as the flat earthers and i thought hey, i'm a climate change denier maybe there is something to this flat earth stuff and if i'm all about truth i ought to at least take a look at the evidence
So i did look at the evidence and what i discovered shook me to the core, there is overwhelming, irrefutable evidence that most if not all that we are told about the earth by science based on the globe earth model can be proven wrong and although the flat earth theory is not without flaws all the verifiable, irrefutable facts point to a stationary flat earth at the centre of the universe.
Accepting the earth is flat and denying the globe is not an easy step to take, the ramifications don't bare thinking about but to accept the globe you must discard all physical evidence to the contrary and "believe"only in the theory, to stop trusting in your own lying eyes and intellect is even harder than accepting the earth could be flat, in order come to terms with the evidence before me i have to settle on the earth existing in two separate dimensions depending on how it is being observed much like the waves and particles of quantum physics,
in one dimension where no verifiable facts are required for something to be considered true just a plausible story, the earth observed only in this dimension is indeed a globe that spins on its axis and orbits the sun and i'll call this dimension theory because that is the only dimension in which the earth is a globe
In another dimension, where in the absence of a plausible story only the verifiable facts and irrefutable proof are required for something to be considered true. the earth observed in this dimension which i will call reality, is in "fact" a stationary flat object at the centre of the universe.
In conclusion, i have been deceived. i knew the earth was flat all along, the evidence was starring me in the face every time i opened my eyes but i just couldn't trust my own lying eyes because people smarter than me told me so, snapping out of my trance has changed my hole understanding of the nature of reality. i will never again believe some thing that flies in the face of the evidence purely because i want to believe some one would not lie to me, is the world flat? i know it is but i don't care because in reality it makes no difference where i live, the mere realisation that i was deceived and identifying the methods used to hide it from me have changed the way i will live my life for ever. from now on if anyone wants me to believe the earth is a globe they are going to have to show me the evidence because just calling me a nutter is not going to work
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my main evidence earth is a globe:
the sun can not shine like a spotlight..
it suspends light into every direction..
look at my latest thread...
please... dont get into this flat-earth dumb shit..
Everytime i get some good evidence against flat-earth every flat-earther is starting to ignore me.. even if i get like 800 views on some of my threads no flat-earther respondet due the lack of evidence they have.. its just... this forum is a joke.. its fun if you enjoy reading all these stupid posts about how god is involved into flat-earth theory etc... just, dont, please. Be a smart guy.. dont fall for this shit.
(my bad english is bad)
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my main evidence earth is a globe:
the sun can not shine like a spotlight..
it suspends light into every direction..
look at my latest thread...
please... dont get into this flat-earth dumb shit..
Everytime i get some good evidence against flat-earth every flat-earther is starting to ignore me.. even if i get like 800 views on some of my threads no flat-earther respondet due the lack of evidence they have.. its just... this forum is a joke.. its fun if you enjoy reading all these stupid posts about how god is involved into flat-earth theory etc... just, dont, please. Be a smart guy.. dont fall for this shit.
(my bad english is bad)
The plain fact of the matter is that there is every evidence that the earth is a globe and there is absolutely no evidence that the earth is a flat disc.
Even the map that some flat earthers insist is a flat earth map of the earth is simply a copy of the Azimuthal Equidistant Projection of the globe with its obvious distortion south of the equator due to the nature of the projection itself. Even some flat earthers say there is no flat earth map. The globe is the most accurate illustration of the size and shape of the earth.
And you will find that outside of this forum itself you will find that most people regard this forum as either "one big hoax or one big joke."
Read my signature line. That is why most people come to this website.
Every time I think of leaving this website because of all the stupid stuff that flat earthers post, something new comes up and I am lured back again. LOL.
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I think you're missing my point Stufferus, all the "evidence" put forward for a globe isn't evidence, its just theories or photo's of evidence, the only theory that has any real supporting evidence (not photo's) is the flat earth but if you have some evidence i can verify myself i'm more than happy to take a look at it, just show me.
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I think you're missing my point Stufferus, all the "evidence" put forward for a globe isn't evidence, its just theories or photo's of evidence, the only theory that has any real supporting evidence (not photo's) is the flat earth but if you have some evidence i can verify myself i'm more than happy to take a look at it, just show me.
What kind of thing do you have in mind? What aspect of the standard model doesn't work?
How about fact that we have a global map that works every time? There is no flat earth map.
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Welcome Brutal Delux,
It is hard to go against the world and deny we are on a spinning ball flying 60,000 mph around the sun. There are many here on this site that will try to turn you from your belief that we are on a planar earth in the center of the universe. Don't let them turn you from the truth you are delving into.
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Welcome Brutal Delux,
It is hard to go against the world and deny we are on a spinning ball flying 60,000 mph around the sun. There are many here on this site that will try to turn you from your belief that we are on a planar earth in the center of the universe. Don't let them turn you from the truth you are delving into.
It seems hard to go against reality for some people for some reason. But those of us who work in the real world rely on reality to make things work as they really do in the real world. We just can't understand why there are some people who just can't believe in reality. The earth is a globe. We just can't understand why "denial" seems to be the only word for the reasons for the flat earthers .
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Very clever people say that who ever built the pyramids were capable of creating structures with an accuracy we cant recreate today, these clever people also say they that whoever built the pyramids had access to knowledge we are still working towards today but most importantly the people who were around when the pyramids were built also believed the world was flat. just saying.
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Welcome Brutal Delux-
Why don't you just go to some school, college or university which has an astronomy department and ask questions about the earth, planets, etc. ? Or to some college or university which has a gedodesy department for questions about the size and shape of the eart ?
Why not just do this for yourself if you are looking for sources of information and evidence . Of course, the flat earthers will tell you they are all liars and satanists and will just tell you round earth lies.
Of course you could go to some school, college or university or some company that uses the flat earth map of the earth. But off hand, I don't know of any.
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Nice to hear of another thinker waking up to consider the true nature of reality. I wish you luck on your quest. I would recommend reading in full, the following essay:
http://www.sitewave.net/news/s49p1521.htm (http://www.sitewave.net/news/s49p1521.htm):
The greatest challenge facing mankind is the challenge of distinguishing reality from fantasy, truth from propaganda. Perceiving the truth has always been a challenge to mankind, but in the information age (or as I think of it, the disinformation age) it takes on a special urgency and importance.
Michael Crichton
Beware of the trolls on this site, for they are many. You'll hopefully learn to tune them out.
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Thank you Hoppy and Legion, i see my post has already brought out the trolls and to these trolls i say please go away, i did not ask for any advice, nor do i require any, i came here to get away from people like you so i could communicate with people like me, if you believe the earth is a globe i am not going to enter a debate with you, if you try, it is my veiw that you only serve to make a fool of yourself and who wants to talk to a fool apart from another fool. please find another way of starting a pointless argument somewhere else because these are my final words to you, good bye.
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Very clever people say that who ever built the pyramids were capable of creating structures with an accuracy we cant recreate today, these clever people also say they that whoever built the pyramids had access to knowledge we are still working towards today but most importantly the people who were around when the pyramids were built also believed the world was flat. just saying.
Yes, but soon afterwards, during the 700bc era, the people of the world began to review the basic geometry that had been developed by Pythagoras and such and held the fast belief that the earth was round, not flat.
Only the most isolated regions and cultures of the world believed in the flat earth theory, but such theories have since been eradicated. Although, fun fact, China believed that the earth was flat until the 1600's.
Understand this, though, in your quest for knowledge: the most basic, undeniable principles of reality force the earth to be flat, such things like gravity or special/general relativity. (I can elaborate on confusing points of those theories if need be)!
Photons appear as both, mathematically, waves and particles due to the dual nature of them fundamentally. They are entirely dependent on the observations of the observer and this is a very not-talked-about branch of physics and psychology: the idea that consciousness is much more than just presence, but rather that it is the defining of reality. Honest studies into this are covered up and the evidence supporting it is hidden, but it has been seen before. Literally seen.
Look up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirlian_photography (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirlian_photography). The paranormal name of this is aura imaging and it effects the world, as said in this quote, like this: "If you believe it to be conscious, then it is!" - Dalai Lama
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it is very simple, God created a Firmament ( dome ) in the midst of the Great Deep (waters) to separate Water Above from Water Below and he called the Firmament "Sky". This is on the first page of the Bible in Genesis chapter 1.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2OR8by61ykM/ShdFdOXTT_I/AAAAAAAAASE/iecG00_Ais0/s400/3-2+3+Tiers.jpg)
Please turn to the Lord Jesus Christ for forgiveness of your Sins. He is the Risen King, at the Right Hand of God, and he has the Power to Pardon your wicked deeds. The Lord is merciful and kind, and offers Salvation to anyone who asks for it.
If you Confess with your Mouth that Jesus is Lord and Died for your Sins you will be saved. Amen.
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i am not here because i "believe" the earth is flat and therefore believe in god, i'm here because i "know" the earth is flat and am now incapable of believing the earth is a ball, i cant explain the who's, why and wherefores, i just want a forum where i can engage with other people who do not rely on theories that require no physical evidence or rely on evidence that is not attainable to explain observations made from ground level in favour of discussing the physical evidence observable at ground level that as yet can't be explained by the globe model. its a bit early for me to believe that god did it but if you have some physical evidence i can check myself that does not require me to go into space or fly over the south pole i'd love to see it.
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The bottom line. The earth is not flat. The earth is a globe. Don't be deceived into even thinking that the earth is flat. But if you want to -quote-" believe" -quote - it is flat. OK. But those who have jobs in the real world depend on the earth being the globe every day in our work. To be honest, we have never even had any doubt . Until I discovered this website I had never even heard of any persons who claimed they had a belief in a flat earth. I don't believe there are any in the working world. At least in those who work in fields dealing with astronomy, nautical and aeronautical navigation and just about any subject.
I have an idea. I won't claim it as being a theory or hypothesis.:
This website was started by those learned in facts of astronomy, geodesy, etc.
They decided to post just the opposites of well known facts such as the "spot light sun" and all the other flat earth subjects that you will see on this website. The intent was to get feedback from those who also know these facts to post rebuttals with true facts. So maybe persons who weren't so well versed would learn some facts. Naturally they aren't going to admit this for the sake of this website. Just an idea. It could be right or it could be wrong.
But after all this is a website purported to be by a so-called "Flat Earth Society" and you are going to see a lot of their ideas on this website supposedly supporting the idea of a flat earth. But you are not going to see any true facts or evidence.
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from now on if anyone wants me to believe the earth is a globe they are going to have to show me the evidence
if you believe the earth is a globe i am not going to enter a debate with you, if you try, it is my veiw that you only serve to make a fool of yourself and who wants to talk to a fool apart from another fool. please find another way of starting a pointless argument somewhere else because these are my final words to you, good bye.
So do you want to hear the evidence or not?
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I'm curious to hear what convinced you the Earth is flat?
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from now on if anyone wants me to believe the earth is a globe they are going to have to show me the evidence
if you believe the earth is a globe i am not going to enter a debate with you, if you try, it is my veiw that you only serve to make a fool of yourself and who wants to talk to a fool apart from another fool. please find another way of starting a pointless argument somewhere else because these are my final words to you, good bye.
So do you want to hear the evidence or not?
Almost certain he's an alt. Thanking hoppy and legion, instant belief of FE, and now he doesn't want to hear any polarizing evidence.
It's pretty obvious.
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from now on if anyone wants me to believe the earth is a globe they are going to have to show me the evidence
if you believe the earth is a globe i am not going to enter a debate with you, if you try, it is my veiw that you only serve to make a fool of yourself and who wants to talk to a fool apart from another fool. please find another way of starting a pointless argument somewhere else because these are my final words to you, good bye.
So do you want to hear the evidence or not?
There is plenty of evidence for the "Round Earth" or the globe whether you want to hear it or not.
If you want to hear evidence for the "Flat Earth" there is none to be heard.
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I'm curious to hear what convinced you the Earth is flat?
I'm curious to hear why anyone would be convinced that the earth is flat ?
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from now on if anyone wants me to believe the earth is a globe they are going to have to show me the evidence
if you believe the earth is a globe i am not going to enter a debate with you, if you try, it is my veiw that you only serve to make a fool of yourself and who wants to talk to a fool apart from another fool. please find another way of starting a pointless argument somewhere else because these are my final words to you, good bye.
So do you want to hear the evidence or not?
Almost certain he's an alt. Thanking hoppy and legion, instant belief of FE, and now he doesn't want to hear any polarizing evidence.
It's pretty obvious.
I think it's also pretty obvious he is a troll.
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I don't care if he's a troll or alt or not, so long as someone, anyone, who believes the earth is flat will start answering the flat earth questions.
Where are legion, hoppy, scepti, jroa, when you need them, are they hiding in a corner somewhere, just pathetic.
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I don't care if he's a troll or alt or not, so long as someone, anyone, who believes the earth is flat will start answering the flat earth questions.
Where are legion, hoppy, scepti, jroa, when you need them, are they hiding in a corner somewhere, just pathetic.
Yeah it happens every time.
Those guys seem to disappear until someone new joins, then it's "Welcome aboard!" "Congratulations on breaking out of society!" "Remember to think for yourself and ignore anything any REr says, ever!", then poof gone again.
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Hello, brutaldelux.
I see you are interested in finding the truth through evidence. I think I can help you with some of that.
First off, I wanna state that the existence of a God is independant of the Earth being Flat or round. In both cases, he could and could not exist.
So, let's look at some visual and pratical evidence, shall we? We can easily confirm that:
The Sun appears to go through the sky from West to East, and so does the starts at night. Both maintain, throughout the day and night, the same shape, size and relative distance. At around 6 PM, the sun "sets", it goes below the Horizon, sinking, but still maintaing shape and size.
More visual evidence: at different parts of the world, it could be night or day. For example, while in the US is day, you can easily communicate to someone, at the same time, in Europe, and the will claim it is around night, where the sun is not in the sky.
Whenever we drop an object at a great height, we can observe that it accelerates towards the ground.
The moon affects the tides, growing bigger or smaller depending on how the moon presents itself. Also about the moon, it seems to dissapear under some kind of shadow at some times of the month.
When we see a ship sailing away, we notice that at some point, it starts disappearing not in a blur, but bottom first in the Horizon. But, when we go to a very high point, we can see the ship more clearly again.
I want You, in your deducive capablities, to make sense of all these facts that we can easily observe everyday. Now, this is a path I consider you to thread alone for now, in order not to get too attached to any particular theory. Come back once you get some conclusions to show us.
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I have several ideas about this website. I think maybe people like Brutaldelux no more believe in a flat earth than anyone, but just like to post that they do just for their own fun. Then once they do that and get some replies with facts that de-bunk a flat earth,they drop out.
I have often suggested that these persons claiming to be flat earthers go out in the real world and ask questions. But they never seem to do this . I guess they are scared of those 7 billion liars and satanists who will lead them astray with tales of how they apply round earth every day in their jobs.
Well anyway, this website is a never ending source of entertainment just to see what comes up next. LOL.
Thanks, Brutaldelux and others.
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Also this. Consider this evidence .:
Flat earth says the horizon is at infinite distance and fades away into a blur.
Here is something you can do for yourself. Stand on the shore and see how far the horizon is on the ocean . Then go up on a cliff or some tall building and see how far you can see.
There is a simple formula for determining the distance to the horizon depending on the height of the observer. On the globular earth, that is.
If the earth was flat, it would make no difference how high you were . The horizon would always be at an infinite distance.
If the earth was flat why would it would be necessary for crow's nests and radar antennas be placed on the highest masts of ships to enable the lookouts or radars to see farther to the horizon ?
We're just posting these things to get you to thinking for yourself to examine the evidences of flat-vs-globular earth. If you ARE interested in thinking, that is. LOL.
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thank you for your post hoyhoy5 you raised some good points which i will look at the evidence for. As for god having anything to do with it well i just don't know about that one. from my perspective god is just another theory that tries to make sense of things that make no sense and thus far i have found no evidence that proves or disproves the theory of god, based on what i think i know i cant rule anything in or out. i will go where the evidence leads me but my philosophy will be to trust and believe in the evidence, my own common sense and my powers of reasoning to decide what the nature of my reality is and i will leave everyone else to trust and believe what ever they choose to decide the nature of their own reality, if its based solely on what they are told, its up to them, i don't care what other people believe, it all comes down to how many facts you require to make a truth and how many truths you consider to be a minimum requirement to conclude that it proves something to be a fact, i don't want to convince any one they should believe the earth is flat, i want them to look at what they consider to be evidence with a critical mind and reach their own conclusions and if they still think i'm crazy prove it by demonstrating how sane you are, stop asking questions to crazy people like me expecting to get answers that make sense to a sane person like you.
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thank you for your post hoyhoy5 you raised some good points which i will look at the evidence for. As for god having anything to do with it well i just don't know about that one. from my perspective god is just another theory that tries to make sense of things that make no sense and thus far i have found no evidence that proves or disproves the theory of god, based on what i think i know i cant rule anything in or out. i will go where the evidence leads me but my philosophy will be to trust and believe in the evidence, my own common sense and my powers of reasoning to decide what the nature of my reality is and i will leave everyone else to trust and believe what ever they choose to decide the nature of their own reality, if its based solely on what they are told, its up to them, i don't care what other people believe, it all comes down to how many facts you require to make a truth and how many truths you consider to be a minimum requirement to conclude that it proves something to be a fact, i don't want to convince any one they should believe the earth is flat, i want them to look at what they consider to be evidence with a critical mind and reach their own conclusions and if they still think i'm crazy prove it by demonstrating how sane you are, stop talking to crazy people like me expecting to get answers that make sense.
Brutaldelux
I think maybe you are not are crazy but just as sane as some of us are . (Well, you might question that, too. LOL)
Also not trying to convince you that the earth is either flat or a globe. You will have to do that for yourself if you truly have any doubts. So we are just posting things that we know are true evidence to help you examine them and decide for yourself whether flat or globular earth is true.
The flat earthers (some of them, maybe) seem to be bent on convincing every one the earth is flat. After all , this is THEIR website. Maybe really round earthers shouldn't intrude upon their territory.
We of the working world have worked for so long we have no doubts about the earth being the globular shape that it is . I don't claim any expertise but a lot of experience of many years in working in the Navy, civilian jobs and civil service in fields that rely on the earth being the globular shape that it is. And I had never heard of any persons that even believed in a flat earth until I discovered this website.
But once again, you will just have to decide for yourself. Good luck !
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Thank you Hoppy and Legion, i see my post has already brought out the trolls and to these trolls i say please go away, i did not ask for any advice, nor do i require any, i came here to get away from people like you so i could communicate with people like me, if you believe the earth is a globe i am not going to enter a debate with you, if you try, it is my veiw that you only serve to make a fool of yourself and who wants to talk to a fool apart from another fool. please find another way of starting a pointless argument somewhere else because these are my final words to you, good bye.
Ok, bye. Really, if simply don't want to debate, and just want to close yourself to your chosen hypothesis (no theory, there can only be one theory on something in science at a time), it is fine, really. But then don't pretend to be a freethinker. If you trully want to know whether the Earth is flat or not, I will be happy to answer any questions you may pose to the model, and offer explanations.
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Thank you Hoppy and Legion, i see my post has already brought out the trolls and to these trolls i say please go away, i did not ask for any advice, nor do i require any, i came here to get away from people like you so i could communicate with people like me, if you believe the earth is a globe i am not going to enter a debate with you, if you try, it is my veiw that you only serve to make a fool of yourself and who wants to talk to a fool apart from another fool. please find another way of starting a pointless argument somewhere else because these are my final words to you, good bye.
Ok, bye. Really, if simply don't want to debate, and just want to close yourself to your chosen hypothesis (no theory, there can only be one theory on something in science at a time), it is fine, really. But then don't pretend to be a freethinker. If you trully want to know whether the Earth is flat or not, I will be happy to answer any questions you may pose to the model, and offer explanations.
I think there is a question as to whether any thing of flat earth nature is even a hypothesis. Just ideas.
hoyhoy5, Conker Link, myself and others have tried to make some explanations for you to consider.
Just for your information, most people who work in a lot of fields in the real world don't just BELIEVE the earth is a globe, they KNOW for a fact that the earth is a globe. If the earth was flat they would be out of a job. Since the earth is a globe they do have a lot of jobs. LOL.
Another thing. The question of who is a troll is like the pot calling the kettle black.
Another big LOL.
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Another thing. The question of who is a troll is like the pot calling the kettle black.
You are a stated round earther who engages in trolling on the flat earth forum. There is no "question" about who the trolls are on this site.
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Well I suppose you're right if trolling is posting the right facts compared to flat earth nonsense.
If all the round earthers left this website to the flat earthers, there would still be a lot of trolls around.
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Is anyone else having any trouble with delays in posting ?
Nobody else is. It is probably just your overlords taking their time before approving your posts. Pathetic.
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Is anyone else having any trouble with delays in posting ?
Nobody else is. It is probably just your overlords taking their time before approving your posts. Pathetic.
Working OK now. But this website has been notorious . No problems on any other websites.
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Another thing. The question of who is a troll is like the pot calling the kettle black.
There is no "question" about who the trolls are on this site.
Well of course not, you're one of them. How could that be questionable?
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Let me introduce myself by saying i am and always have considered myself to be an atheist, not overly impressed with the requirements to not let the absence of facts stand in the way of reaching a conclusion was an irreconcilable problem that i had and still have with belief systems so i rely on science to provide me with evidence on which i could build knowledge and understanding because i'm all about truth.
My hunger for truth has led me down many rabbit holes and i've bought in to many conspiracy theories on the strength of the overwhelming available "evidence" in support of one "theory" compared to the total absence of evidence supporting another but i have avoided the flat earth theory videos on youtube like the plague and why wouldn't i, i'm not a nutter am i?
science tells me that the earth is a globe, revolving on its axis with a moon in its orbit that it takes on its journey around the sun and superficially the theory makes sense to me, there are a few bits i don't understand when i go deeper into the theory but that's just because i lack the imagination and intelligence to understand the complexities of the additional theories like the big bang, relativity and special relativity etc that explain the flaws i encounter in the theory so i just accept it as fact and move on.
unperturbed by my lack of imagination and intelligence i develop an interest in quantum physics and what i discover shook me to the core, apparently every thing we see and cant see is made up of particles and/or waves, two competely different things but when tested particles can appear to be waves and vice versa depending on what the observer is looking to see, how can this be. how can a particle still be a particle while at the same time exist as a wave, something completely different depending on how it is observed, i can't quite get my head around this but i accept it as fact and move on
Watching an Obama speech the other day he implied that climate change deniers were among the same bunch of nutters as the flat earthers and i thought hey, i'm a climate change denier maybe there is something to this flat earth stuff and if i'm all about truth i ought to at least take a look at the evidence
So i did look at the evidence and what i discovered shook me to the core, there is overwhelming, irrefutable evidence that most if not all that we are told about the earth by science based on the globe earth model can be proven wrong and although the flat earth theory is not without flaws all the verifiable, irrefutable facts point to a stationary flat earth at the centre of the universe.
Accepting the earth is flat and denying the globe is not an easy step to take, the ramifications don't bare thinking about but to accept the globe you must discard all physical evidence to the contrary and "believe"only in the theory, to stop trusting in your own lying eyes and intellect is even harder than accepting the earth could be flat, in order come to terms with the evidence before me i have to settle on the earth existing in two separate dimensions depending on how it is being observed much like the waves and particles of quantum physics,
in one dimension where no verifiable facts are required for something to be considered true just a plausible story, the earth observed only in this dimension is indeed a globe that spins on its axis and orbits the sun and i'll call this dimension theory because that is the only dimension in which the earth is a globe
In another dimension, where in the absence of a plausible story only the verifiable facts and irrefutable proof are required for something to be considered true. the earth observed in this dimension which i will call reality, is in "fact" a stationary flat object at the centre of the universe.
In conclusion, i have been deceived. i knew the earth was flat all along, the evidence was starring me in the face every time i opened my eyes but i just couldn't trust my own lying eyes because people smarter than me told me so, snapping out of my trance has changed my hole understanding of the nature of reality. i will never again believe some thing that flies in the face of the evidence purely because i want to believe some one would not lie to me, is the world flat? i know it is but i don't care because in reality it makes no difference where i live, the mere realisation that i was deceived and identifying the methods used to hide it from me have changed the way i will live my life for ever. from now on if anyone wants me to believe the earth is a globe they are going to have to show me the evidence because just calling me a nutter is not going to work
Whatever convinced you that the Earth is flat, tell me and I will debunk it. I have been familiar with FET for quite a while now and I have never seen an argument for flat Earth that cannot be debunked easily. You have to consider both sides of a debate before choosing a side, the problem with flat earthers is that they generally avoid the other side of the debate, which prevents them from being objective. Anyone objective flat earther doesn't remain a flat earther for long.
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In an earlier post, while thanking flat earthers for their input i also addressed round earthers who contributed, i informed them that i came here to get away from them and i made it clear to any one with a brain that i have not asked them for any advise and i do not require any advise from round earthers (this is a fact that can be checked by going through all my posts and noting the total absence of any questions about a flat earth) this is what i would call "evidence" that i did not ask for nor do i require any advise and this evidence is there if they would just look for it, but they don't, they refuse to look at the evidence, they unshakably believe (like a religious dogma) that i came here because i have questions and i need answers which only they can provide if only i would ask them but they can not accept that in reality i have no interest in any thing they have to say, no belief in any answers they can offer so i won't ask them anything but still they will not accept this reality for which there is evidence if they would just look for it.
Based on the evidence available to me at this time regarding the nature of round earthers i can only conclude that the round earth theory would have much more credibility if the people making the most noise about it weren't so blatantly detached from, and persistently demonstrating a stubborn refusal to accept reality.
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Hello septic.
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Based on the evidence available to me at this time regarding the nature of round earthers i can only conclude that the round earth theory would have much more credibility if the people making the most noise about it weren't so blatantly detached from, and persistently demonstrating a stubborn refusal to accept reality.
I guess you see what you want to see.
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Mikeman i like your signature quote "The only source of knowledge is experience."
-Albert Einstein
Flat earthers: keep this in mind when you make up explanations for things.
Einstien also said that "two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity and i'm not sure about the universe"
round earthers keep this in mind when you accept explanations for things
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Einstien also said that "two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity and i'm not sure about the universe"
round earthers keep this in mind when you accept explanations for things
I agree. Flat earthers need to keep it in mind too when they take a non-credible nutter's word on the nature of the universe.
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Einstein also said among other things "the only thing that interferes with my learning is my education" and until people come to terms with this quote will another quote of his "there comes a time when the mind takes a higher plane of knowledge but can never prove how it got there" really be appreciated.
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Einstein also said among other things "the only thing that interferes with my learning is my education" and until people come to terms with this quote will another quote of his "there comes a time when the mind takes a higher plane of knowledge but can never prove how it got there" really be appreciated.
Fun thing is Sciende and nature don't give a f--- about what Einstein or Newton said.. they still work whether it was said by Einstein or a kid.
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i came here to talk to flat earthers but there is no getting away from round earthers so i will for the sake of argument attempt to get some answers to some ball earth questions from some ball earth experts
my first question, if the earth travels around the sun in an elliptical orbit, some times we are closer to the sun than at other times when we are farther away and we drag the moon with us around the sun on our elliptical orbit which takes us closer to and farther away from the sun, considering that a total solar eclipse only happens because the moon is exactly 400 times smaller than the sun which is exactly 400 times farther away, assuming the moon can not shrink and grow to compensate for its various distances from the sun just to accommodate a total eclipse. how in an elliptical orbit can the sun always, always be 400 times farther away? or to put it more simply how does an object that moves closer to and farther away from another object always manage to to maintain a fixed distance from that object that never changes?
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helloooo, ball earthers, anyone there?
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where did everybody go, was it something i said?
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i came here to talk to flat earthers but there is no getting away from round earthers so i will for the sake of argument attempt to get some answers to some ball earth questions from some ball earth experts
my first question, if the earth travels around the sun in an elliptical orbit, some times we are closer to the sun than at other times when we are farther away and we drag the moon with us around the sun on our elliptical orbit which takes us closer to and farther away from the sun, considering that a total solar eclipse only happens because the moon is exactly 400 times smaller than the sun which is exactly 400 times farther away, assuming the moon can not shrink and grow to compensate for its various distances from the sun just to accommodate a total eclipse. how in an elliptical orbit can the sun always, always be 400 times farther away? or to put it more simply how does an object that moves closer to and farther away from another object always manage to to maintain a fixed distance from that object that never changes?
Simple. Just go to an observatory and talk to an expert in astronomy for answers to your questions. Or take a course in astronomy.
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i came here to talk to flat earthers but there is no getting away from round earthers so i will for the sake of argument attempt to get some answers to some ball earth questions from some ball earth experts
my first question, if the earth travels around the sun in an elliptical orbit, some times we are closer to the sun than at other times when we are farther away and we drag the moon with us around the sun on our elliptical orbit which takes us closer to and farther away from the sun, considering that a total solar eclipse only happens because the moon is exactly 400 times smaller than the sun which is exactly 400 times farther away, assuming the moon can not shrink and grow to compensate for its various distances from the sun just to accommodate a total eclipse. how in an elliptical orbit can the sun always, always be 400 times farther away? or to put it more simply how does an object that moves closer to and farther away from another object always manage to to maintain a fixed distance from that object that never changes?
Simple. Just go to an observatory and talk to an expert in astronomy for answers to your questions. Or take a course in astronomy.
Do you know the answer?
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where did everybody go, was it something i said?
You told us not to answer to you anymore. Besides, 30 minutes in a forum like this isnt that much.
I'll explain where you got it wrong, though.
considering that a total solar eclipse only happens because the moon is exactly 400 times smaller than the sun
Wrong. If you have two different ecliptical orbits, you can see that the size varies. If the Sun and the Moon where on the same plane, every single month the Moon would occult the Sun, and, depending on the aparent size of both objects, it would be total, or partial.
Since the Moon's orbital plane around the Earth isnt paralel to the Earth's around the Sun (it is about 5º degrees off), then another condition has to happen for an eclipse to occur: depending on the viewer's position, the stereo-angle (angle in 3D) that the Moon has to be has to coincide with the Sun's. Since this depends on the position of both bodies AND the POV, eclipses are very rare. This phenomenon is explained everywhere, I got this explaination back at high school. We even got a nice mobile with a light bulb and diferent sized balls.
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conker, i'm sure that all makes sense in your mind but it just sounds like bullshit to me
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" We even got a nice mobile with a light bulb and diferent sized balls." yup that proves it all then doesn't it, close the forum boys, the games up, the earth really is a ball
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conker, i'm sure that all makes sense in your mind but it just sounds like bullshit to me
(https://web2.ph.utexas.edu/~coker2/eclipses.gif)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Lunar_eclipse_diagram-en.svg/1280px-Lunar_eclipse_diagram-en.svg.png)
(http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/solar/imgsol/lunecl1.gif)
I also forgot to add that the Moon precedes, which means that even at the same time of the same orbit of the same period in the same node, the orbit will vary due to external forces, which causes eclipses to happen at seemingly random dates. They are still predictable though.
(http://www.astronomynotes.com/nakedeye/moonorbb.gif)
" We even got a nice mobile with a light bulb and diferent sized balls." yup that proves it all then doesn't it, close the forum boys, the games up, the earth really is a ball
Wow you really are dense. I didn't say it proved it. I used it as an example, and so did my teacher. The point of science classes is not to prove to you anything and convice you, it is simply to explain the models so you may understand them and THEN and only then you may attempt to prove or disprove them.
EDITED because im an idiot
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In an earlier post, while thanking flat earthers for their input i also addressed round earthers who contributed, i informed them that i came here to get away from them and i made it clear to any one with a brain that i have not asked them for any advise and i do not require any advise from round earthers (this is a fact that can be checked by going through all my posts and noting the total absence of any questions about a flat earth) this is what i would call "evidence" that i did not ask for nor do i require any advise and this evidence is there if they would just look for it, but they don't, they refuse to look at the evidence, they unshakably believe (like a religious dogma) that i came here because i have questions and i need answers which only they can provide if only i would ask them but they can not accept that in reality i have no interest in any thing they have to say, no belief in any answers they can offer so i won't ask them anything but still they will not accept this reality for which there is evidence if they would just look for it.
Based on the evidence available to me at this time regarding the nature of round earthers i can only conclude that the round earth theory would have much more credibility if the people making the most noise about it weren't so blatantly detached from, and persistently demonstrating a stubborn refusal to accept reality.
Your intention has been quite unclear from the start of your post.
a. Do you want to get away from round earthers and engage in discussion with only flat earthers ?
b. You dont want to get into a debate with round earthers ?
If your answers to a or b or both are yes then why dont you post in the flat earth believers discussion board. There is a wealth of information there. Specially the research by Sandokhan in advanced flat earth theory would be more then enough material to end your struggle with the nature of reality!
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my apologies, i'm new to this flat earth forum and never realised there was a flat earth section within the flat earth forum thank you for pointing it out to me, i must have stumbled into the piss taking now it all section by mistake
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my apologies, i'm new to this flat earth forum and never realised there was a flat earth section within the flat earth forum thank you for pointing it out to me, i must have stumbled into the piss taking now it all section by mistake
Both general and debate are meant as a way of discussion between members, both RE'ers and FEH'ers. That's why they are the only interesting upper fora. Debating is forbidden in the Q&A section and others, which makes them worthless and a waste for time, unless you are interested on learning hinduist time-space-mind relativistic hollow/hole earth/mind quantum penta-dualities.
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i came here to talk to flat earthers but there is no getting away from round earthers so i will for the sake of argument attempt to get some answers to some ball earth questions from some ball earth experts
my first question, if the earth travels around the sun in an elliptical orbit, some times we are closer to the sun than at other times when we are farther away and we drag the moon with us around the sun on our elliptical orbit which takes us closer to and farther away from the sun, considering that a total solar eclipse only happens because the moon is exactly 400 times smaller than the sun which is exactly 400 times farther away, assuming the moon can not shrink and grow to compensate for its various distances from the sun just to accommodate a total eclipse. how in an elliptical orbit can the sun always, always be 400 times farther away? or to put it more simply how does an object that moves closer to and farther away from another object always manage to to maintain a fixed distance from that object that never changes?
Simple. Just go to an observatory and talk to an expert in astronomy for answers to your questions. Or take a course in astronomy.
Do you know the answer?
I know the general explanation but I would have to go to some expert to get all the details involved. I don't know all the details. Like a lot of persons in the real world, we are just fairly well versed in our little fields or work and have to go those in other fields for answers. Such as experts in the fields of astronomy for the questions about eclipses. There is such a thing as the learning process , you know.
There is an old saying "The only dumb question is the one you don't ask."
But do any of the so-called flat earthers want to learn anything or are they just content to act like trolls ?
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i think everyone grew up knowing the earth was a globe and never gave it another thought, some people still know its a globe and refuse to entertain even considering the slightest possibility that they could be wrong and i don't have a problem with them, i have always believed the earth was a globe but i am now open to the idea that i could possibly have been wrong when i was sure that i was right, surely this puts me in a better position to learn new things than someone who cannot believe they could be wrong, this is why i came here to hear opposing ideas about how the world works and make up my own mind not to have a refresher course in the old theories and have my mind made up for me, i'm not here to try and change any ones views i'm hear looking for a different view on the nature of reallity because i'm bored of the existing one.
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let me put it another way, there are two ways of interpreting reality, the way it is and the way we are told that is meant to be and regardless of weather the earth is flat or round, when people believe what they are told is true without question it cultivates a very fertile ground for the seeds of deception to grow, i as i'm as sure many if not all other people have been deceived in the past at some point even if only into believing in Santa Claus as a child and lets face it who would not want to believe in santa as child, if he makes sure you get presents its a better world if he's real, its not until you start to question what you are told does it become clear that santa is not real so maybe the trauma of losing santa because we asked the right questions as a child is why we ask all the wrong questions when we grow up and maybe asking how does the globe earth work is asking the wrong question and maybe, just maybe the right question is how does a globe earth work if its flat?
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let me put it another way, there are two ways of interpreting reality, the way it is and the way we are told that is meant to be and regardless of weather the earth is flat or round, when people believe what they are told is true without question it cultivates a very fertile ground for the seeds of deception to grow, i as i'm as sure many if not all other people have been deceived in the past at some point even if only into believing in Santa Claus as a child and lets face it who would not want to believe in santa as child, if he makes sure you get presents its a better world if he's real, its not until you start to question what you are told does it become clear that santa is not real so maybe the trauma of losing santa because we asked the right questions as a child is why we ask all the wrong questions when we grow up and maybe asking how does the globe earth work is asking the wrong question but i'm yet to discover the right question
We are all aware that the universe is still full of incognitos. I don't know about your education, but in myne, my mentors tried to give me knowdlege on the world. Maybe you have been lied to. They didn't. They may had simplified things in order for me to understand them, but they always made clear there was a whole world behind their teachings. They also teached me to apply my knowdlege to explore the world, to find those answers. While my current work doesnt involve physics, I enjoy taking some time into my personal projects that usually revolve around physics (Example: given a series of points, and given the nth and lower deltas of those points [where n is any integer], calculate a ballistic trajectory of a given projectile with frontal drag in order for it to hit the trajectory infered from the points exactly while the target is at the point of the intersection. In other words, given puntual sensor readings, make a cannon hit the target. That's what I'm working on right now). Why do you assume we just "believe" the world is round and not flat? I don't believe the world is round because Im told it is, I believe the world isn't flat because FE can't explain daily phenomenon, and because the Earth seems round when you actually put some effort into it. Watch ships go below the horizon. Watch the stars rotate around you as a sphere. Watch a sunset through a projection telescope. All that I've done as a kid, all that points to a RE.
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let me put it another way, there are two ways of interpreting reality, the way it is and the way we are told that is meant to be and regardless of weather the earth is flat or round, when people believe what they are told is true without question it cultivates a very fertile ground for the seeds of deception to grow, i as i'm as sure many if not all other people have been deceived in the past at some point even if only into believing in Santa Claus as a child and lets face it who would not want to believe in santa as child, if he makes sure you get presents its a better world if he's real, its not until you start to question what you are told does it become clear that santa is not real so maybe the trauma of losing santa because we asked the right questions as a child is why we ask all the wrong questions when we grow up and maybe asking how does the globe earth work is asking the wrong question and maybe, just maybe the right question is how does a globe earth work if its flat?
Hello again brutal delux.
See, when we are thaught things at school, we are normally given conclusions, making it difficult to understand how these processes were reached. But as everything else in science, these experiments made can be recriated, and the conclusions of these experiments will be the same. Talking here about scientifical fields, if you ever find yourself in doubt as to what's the nature of our reality, always follow the path of evidence. I have given, in my first post, lots of easily identifiable evidence, which, in turn, goes on to create an unifying theory. I'm not gonna tell you what this unifying theory is, because you'll have to find yourself.
But remember, you can become indoctrinated in any theory. This is something most FE'ers forget, because as much as people can mindlessly follow RET, it is equally possible to fall into fanaticism in FET, or in any theory. Always question your reality, seek for the truth. The truth will always guide you in one way, except if you become partial to conclusions and evidence due to fanaticism.
And a last thing to remember, do not assume things too quickly. There will always be more phenomenons that require explanations, and they might change the whole theory by themselves. Just look at the evolution of the atomic models, and how each new phenomenon discovered remodeled it in a different way. After all, Science is not fixed, it's dynamic, changing with every new discovery, that is, if it cannot be explained in the current model.
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i think everyone grew up knowing the earth was a globe and never gave it another thought, some people still know its a globe and refuse to entertain even considering the slightest possibility that they could be wrong and i don't have a problem with them, i have always believed the earth was a globe but i am now open to the idea that i could possibly have been wrong when i was sure that i was right, surely this puts me in a better position to learn new things than someone who cannot believe they could be wrong, this is why i came here to hear opposing ideas about how the world works and make up my own mind not to have a refresher course in the old theories and have my mind made up for me, i'm not here to try and change any ones views i'm hear looking for a different view on the nature of reallity because i'm bored of the existing one.
It puts you in the best position of all because you're willing to think outside of that box that we were all locked inside of.
Too many people are scared to entertain thoughts that seem way out or totally against their indoctrinated schooling, so they simply follow the masses because it's easier that way.
The truth is, they're correct, it is easier and much less troublesome. The problem is, they have no scope for anything else, except to keep on opening up their minds to receive the large spoonfull's of official info that requires them only to follow and regurgitate, but never ever question.
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i think everyone grew up knowing the earth was a globe and never gave it another thought, some people still know its a globe and refuse to entertain even considering the slightest possibility that they could be wrong and i don't have a problem with them, i have always believed the earth was a globe but i am now open to the idea that i could possibly have been wrong when i was sure that i was right, surely this puts me in a better position to learn new things than someone who cannot believe they could be wrong, this is why i came here to hear opposing ideas about how the world works and make up my own mind not to have a refresher course in the old theories and have my mind made up for me, i'm not here to try and change any ones views i'm hear looking for a different view on the nature of reallity because i'm bored of the existing one.
It puts you in the best position of all because you're willing to think outside of that box that we were all locked inside of.
Too many people are scared to entertain thoughts that seem way out or totally against their indoctrinated schooling, so they simply follow the masses because it's easier that way.
The truth is, they're correct, it is easier and much less troublesome. The problem is, they have no scope for anything else, except to keep on opening up their minds to receive the large spoonfull's of official info that requires them only to follow and regurgitate, but never ever question.
Another classic "you are not a sheep anymore" welcoming. Why is it impossible for someone to question the round earth theory and think that it is the correct one? Just because FE is an alternate theory, it does not mean that it's logical or correct.
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i think everyone grew up knowing the earth was a globe and never gave it another thought, some people still know its a globe and refuse to entertain even considering the slightest possibility that they could be wrong and i don't have a problem with them, i have always believed the earth was a globe but i am now open to the idea that i could possibly have been wrong when i was sure that i was right, surely this puts me in a better position to learn new things than someone who cannot believe they could be wrong, this is why i came here to hear opposing ideas about how the world works and make up my own mind not to have a refresher course in the old theories and have my mind made up for me, i'm not here to try and change any ones views i'm hear looking for a different view on the nature of reallity because i'm bored of the existing one.
It puts you in the best position of all because you're willing to think outside of that box that we were all locked inside of.
Too many people are scared to entertain thoughts that seem way out or totally against their indoctrinated schooling, so they simply follow the masses because it's easier that way.
The truth is, they're correct, it is easier and much less troublesome. The problem is, they have no scope for anything else, except to keep on opening up their minds to receive the large spoonfull's of official info that requires them only to follow and regurgitate, but never ever question.
Another classic "you are not a sheep anymore" welcoming. Why is it impossible for someone to question the round earth theory and think that it is the correct one? Just because FE is an alternate theory, it does not mean that it's logical or correct.
You people don't come here to question anything. You people come here to bestow your absolute bullshit onto those that do question.
Your attempts at put down's are crap. Up your game or give it up. You don't win anything and will never get the upper hand. All you will do over time is become frustrated that you are another one that simply came onto the forum believing you will be the one to sort out the tin foil hat's, in your mind.
I guarantee you run away crying, only to come back in another name to try again. You're not worth a carrot. ;D
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i think everyone grew up knowing the earth was a globe and never gave it another thought, some people still know its a globe and refuse to entertain even considering the slightest possibility that they could be wrong and i don't have a problem with them, i have always believed the earth was a globe but i am now open to the idea that i could possibly have been wrong when i was sure that i was right, surely this puts me in a better position to learn new things than someone who cannot believe they could be wrong, this is why i came here to hear opposing ideas about how the world works and make up my own mind not to have a refresher course in the old theories and have my mind made up for me, i'm not here to try and change any ones views i'm hear looking for a different view on the nature of reallity because i'm bored of the existing one.
It puts you in the best position of all because you're willing to think outside of that box that we were all locked inside of.
Too many people are scared to entertain thoughts that seem way out or totally against their indoctrinated schooling, so they simply follow the masses because it's easier that way.
The truth is, they're correct, it is easier and much less troublesome. The problem is, they have no scope for anything else, except to keep on opening up their minds to receive the large spoonfull's of official info that requires them only to follow and regurgitate, but never ever question.
Blah..blah..blah you're like a stuck record. You've said this shit over 13,000 times now - endlessly repeating yourself doesn't make it any more true.
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i think everyone grew up knowing the earth was a globe and never gave it another thought, some people still know its a globe and refuse to entertain even considering the slightest possibility that they could be wrong and i don't have a problem with them, i have always believed the earth was a globe but i am now open to the idea that i could possibly have been wrong when i was sure that i was right, surely this puts me in a better position to learn new things than someone who cannot believe they could be wrong, this is why i came here to hear opposing ideas about how the world works and make up my own mind not to have a refresher course in the old theories and have my mind made up for me, i'm not here to try and change any ones views i'm hear looking for a different view on the nature of reallity because i'm bored of the existing one.
It puts you in the best position of all because you're willing to think outside of that box that we were all locked inside of.
Too many people are scared to entertain thoughts that seem way out or totally against their indoctrinated schooling, so they simply follow the masses because it's easier that way.
The truth is, they're correct, it is easier and much less troublesome. The problem is, they have no scope for anything else, except to keep on opening up their minds to receive the large spoonfull's of official info that requires them only to follow and regurgitate, but never ever question.
Blah..blah..blah you're like a stuck record. You've said this shit over 13,000 times now - endlessly repeating yourself doesn't make it any more true.
Stop being bad tempered.
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what i don't understand is why if these flat earthers are mental and stupid is it so important that i don't listen to them, why does every flat earther that contributes to my post get shouted down, insulted and ridiculed,you may have heard it all before but i want to hear what they have to say and if you are sick of hearing it then in "reality" its because you are in the wrong place. so why not use your knowledge and education to find the right place and leave this place alone?
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what i don't understand is why if these flat earthers are mental and stupid is it so important that i don't listen to them, why does every flat earther that contributes to my post get shouted down, insulted and ridiculed,you may have heard it all before but i want to hear what they have to say and if you are sick of hearing it then in "reality" its because you are in the wrong place. so why not use your knowledge and education to find the right place and leave this place alone?
Two reasons. They are either bullied people who are now using the internet to bully, in the knowledge that they are backed up by mass opinion of the understanding that alternative thinkers to the globe and mainstream models of anything is classed as unstable thinking by tin foil hat conspiracy lunatics whoa re uneducated to the point of retardation.
Or they are paid to simply make sure that people don't start to see reality.
The third option is, they come here as global Earth believer's and actually see enough to genuinely start to question their belief's.
This third option one I have lot's of time for.
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i think everyone grew up knowing the earth was a globe and never gave it another thought, some people still know its a globe and refuse to entertain even considering the slightest possibility that they could be wrong and i don't have a problem with them, i have always believed the earth was a globe but i am now open to the idea that i could possibly have been wrong when i was sure that i was right, surely this puts me in a better position to learn new things than someone who cannot believe they could be wrong, this is why i came here to hear opposing ideas about how the world works and make up my own mind not to have a refresher course in the old theories and have my mind made up for me, i'm not here to try and change any ones views i'm hear looking for a different view on the nature of reallity because i'm bored of the existing one.
It puts you in the best position of all because you're willing to think outside of that box that we were all locked inside of.
Too many people are scared to entertain thoughts that seem way out or totally against their indoctrinated schooling, so they simply follow the masses because it's easier that way.
The truth is, they're correct, it is easier and much less troublesome. The problem is, they have no scope for anything else, except to keep on opening up their minds to receive the large spoonfull's of official info that requires them only to follow and regurgitate, but never ever question.
Blah..blah..blah you're like a stuck record. You've said this shit over 13,000 times now - endlessly repeating yourself doesn't make it any more true.
Stop being bad tempered.
Oh the irony...
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what i don't understand is why if these flat earthers are mental and stupid is it so important that i don't listen to them, why does every flat earther that contributes to my post get shouted down, insulted and ridiculed,you may have heard it all before but i want to hear what they have to say and if you are sick of hearing it then in "reality" its because you are in the wrong place. so why not use your knowledge and education to find the right place and leave this place alone?
I haven't seen any genuine flat earthers respond to anything you've asked so far, sceptic doesn't count, I'm not sure he's a proper flat earther. If you have your own reality, then you don't need to ask stupid questions.
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ok say i was to accept that this flat earth stuff is nonsense, what would a sane, intelligent person do next?
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but you are still here because?
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ok say i was to accept that this flat earth stuff is nonsense, what would a sane, intelligent person do next?
If you have any doubts you should look at the evidence and your own observations and make up your own mind, it will become clear that the earth is round, and whatever the conspiracy is, and I'm sure there are plenty of conspiracies to go around, hiding the shape of the earth isn't one of them.
On a clear day look at the horizon, you will see a sharp line, climb a hill, or a tall building you will be able to see further, watch a sunset, see the sun sink slowly below the horizon, all those things are impossible on a flat earth. It's not particularly difficult.
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but you are still here because?
I like the debate. Sometimes the occasional andromedian delegate, or time traveler will come along, they are always interesting.
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rayzor you strike me as a sane intelligent person who accepts the world is not flat so please tell me if i also accept the world is not flat and i am sane and intelegent why would i need to "look at the horizon, see a sharp line, climb a hill, or a tall building to see further, watch a sunset, see the sun sink slowly below the horizone" why would i need to do any of that if i already accept the earth cannot be flat, what would be the point?
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rayzor you strike me as a sane intelligent person who accepts the world is not flat so please tell me if i also accept the world is not flat and i am sane and intelegent why would i need to "look at the horizon, see a sharp line, climb a hill, or a tall building to see further, watch a sunset, see the sun sink slowly below the horizone" why would i need to do any of that if i already accept the earth cannot be flat, what would be the point?
I took your question as rhetorical, bearing in mind your starting point was. .... Quoting what you said just a short while ago...
i am not here because i "believe" the earth is flat and therefore believe in god, i'm here because i "know" the earth is flat and am now incapable of believing the earth is a ball, i cant explain the who's, why and wherefores, i just want a forum where i can engage with other people who do not rely on theories that require no physical evidence or rely on evidence that is not attainable to explain observations made from ground level in favour of discussing the physical evidence observable at ground level that as yet can't be explained by the globe model. its a bit early for me to believe that god did it but if you have some physical evidence i can check myself that does not require me to go into space or fly over the south pole i'd love to see it.
I'm offering you some physical evidence observable (by yourself) at ground level, that doesn't require you to go into space or fly over the south pole.
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I think deep down, the loss of Santa Claus and all his magic as a child has effected some people more than others,wouldn't it be a shame if there was still magic in the world but you never found it because you never looked
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I think deep down, the loss of Santa Claus and all his magic as a child has effected some people more than others,wouldn't it be a shame if there was still magic in the world but you never found it because you never looked
There is magic all around, you just need eyes to see. The real world has more than enough wonders and mysteries, just think what a dull place it would be if we knew everything.
In the words of Carl Sagan,
“Every one of us is, in the cosmic perspective, precious. If a human disagrees with you, let him live. In a hundred billion galaxies, you will not find another.”
“The Cosmos is all that is or was or ever will be.
Our feeblest contemplations of the Cosmos stir us -- there is a tingling in the spine, a catch in the voice, a faint sensation, as if a distant memory, of falling from a height. We know we are approaching the greatest of mysteries.”
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razor lets assume i'm convinced now that the earth is indeed really a ball, i understand and accept all your arguments, reason and evidence i've followed and seen the value all your advise, i now know the earth is a balland the universe full of magic, what do i do next assuming that i no longer need convincing that the earth is a ball and the universe full of magic, i accept it all. what do i do now?
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what do i do now?
I find the universe mind-boggingly exceptional as it is. I don't need to add poorly sketched magic onto it to make it better. The fact that each of us can search our own answers is very important. Research. Listen to the propositions, do your own testing. It is always a nice mental exercise to listen to someone, and question yourself "Does this make sense?". In other words: Advance the world by examining the evidence. Science will possibly never get all the answers, and that means that the very last human will still have questions. Find unanswered questions, and look for the answer. The answer will bring us even more answers. Its in human nature.
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razor lets assume i'm convinced now that the earth is indeed really a ball, i understand and accept all your arguments, reason and evidence i've followed and seen the value all your advise, i now know the earth is a balland the universe full of magic, what do i do next assuming that i no longer need convincing that the earth is a ball and the universe full of magic, i accept it all. what do i do now?
That's not up to anyone but yourself, I can't tell you how to live your life, and you shouldn't let anyone else tell you either. The only thing I can say is you have only one life, don't waste it. Be yourself, be happy.
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That sounds like really good advise, why aren't you following it? instead of wasting your life here patrolling the flat earth forum for flat earth believers who are wasting their life, surely flat earthers come and go from this site but if you remain here even though you already know the earth is round surely that is an even bigger tragic waste of a life, their is a whole magical universe to explore didn't know and you're not going to see any of here, these idiots think the earth is flat
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That sounds like really good advise, why aren't you following it? instead of wasting your life here patrolling the flat earth forum for flat earth believers who are wasting their life, surely flat earthers come and go from this site but if you remain here even though you already know the earth is round surely that is an even bigger tragic waste of a life, their is a whole magical universe to explore didn't know and you're not going to see any of here, these idiots think the earth is flat
I like the intellectual challenge of debate, sometimes it all gets a bit heated, but a little passion is a good thing, and in spite of first appearances not all flat earthers are idiots, in fact I'd say very few.
Where else are you going to find another sceptimatic, they don't grow on trees you know. (Or maybe they do, I'll need to think about that... ;D )
As for universes, I don't know how old you are or what your experience of life is, but there is a whole universe of the human mind that's largely unexplored.
The world of the conspiracist is a strange one, paranoid delusions of persecution, and mistrust of authority, coupled to willingness to believe fantastical views of reality, and a built in arrogance, the " I can see through the lies, all the rest of you are sheeple" self delusion. Makes for interesting, even if sometimes frustrating debate.
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i did not come here to debate round earth theory i came to hear what flat earthers had to say but all i've learned about flat earthers is what round earthers say they say, i cannot argue the ball earth, the theory is plausible, highly probable, given observations made from ground level it makes a lot of sense to me, there is a lot more theory than i can make sense of but that doesn't necessarily mean i'm stupid, it could mean that i don't need to get to the bottom of bullshit to realize i'm up to my neck in bullshit, for me the ball earth is a good theory and i haven't heard any plausible theory for the flat earth but the concept that i could be missing out on a giant magic trick laid on just for us is worth hearing once if nothing else comes of it i just have a gut feeling that their is much more going on than meets the eye and no one can prove there isn't and until they can i'm not going to rule anything out.
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May be flat earth is bullshit but look what people who believed this bullshit have achieved, the pyramids still hold many mysteries, amazing structures built by people who believed bullshit, just think what we may be capable of if we believed the same bullshit as they did
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i did not come here to debate round earth theory i came to hear what flat earthers had to say but all i've learned about flat earthers is what round earthers say they say, i cannot argue the ball earth, the theory is plausible, highly probable, given observations made from ground level it makes a lot of sense to me, there is a lot more theory than i can make sense of but that doesn't necessarily mean i'm stupid, it could mean that i don't need to get to the bottom of bullshit to realize i'm up to my neck in bullshit, for me the ball earth is a good theory and i haven't heard any plausible theory for the flat earth but the concept that i could be missing out on a giant magic trick laid on just for us is worth hearing once if nothing else comes of it i just have a gut feeling that their is much more going on than meets the eye and no one can prove there isn't and until they can i'm not going to rule anything out.
Study the flat earth theory, read "Earth Not A Globe" by Rowbotham I'd pretty much take youtube videos with a grain of salt, I've yet to see one that puts a compelling flat earth case, most have such glaring errors and misunderstandings. Research and understand what you have to disbelieve to accept flat earth as real.
Post questions in the Q&A section of the forum, there's not supposed to be any debate in those sections, but moderation around here is moderate. Mostly it's self policed.
Have a look at some of the other forums, http://tfes.org (http://tfes.org) http://serendipitous.boards.net/ (http://serendipitous.boards.net/) http://ifers.boards.net/ (http://ifers.boards.net/) http://feresearch.boards.net/ (http://feresearch.boards.net/)
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May be flat earth is bullshit but look what people who believed this bullshit have achieved, the pyramids still hold many mysteries, amazing structures built by people who believed bullshit, just think what we may be capable of if we believed the same bullshit as they did
The Greeks knew the earth was a globe thousands of years ago, Columbus knew the earth was a globe. It's not exactly a new observation. Columbus knew the earth was a globe, and he thought exploring west would lead to a shorter trade route to India, even to the extent of mistakenly calling the people of North America Indians.
The ability to build pyramids had more to do with the wealth and power of harnessing the Nile, the engineering ability and understanding of mathematics plus the resources of a wealthy civilization, than a belief in the shape of the earth.
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some good points raised, columbus knew the world was a globe but he also made the greatest dicsovery of his day and mistook it for india so he wasn't as smart as he thought he was and maybe its coincidence that people who achieved great things in the past just happened to also believe bullshit who's to say that believing in bullshit would not coincidently do the same now as it did then.
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some good points raised, columbus knew the world was a globe but he also made the greatest dicsovery of his day and mistook it for india so he wasn't as smart as he thought he was and maybe its coincidence that people who achieved great things in the past just happened to also believe bullshit who's to say that believing in bullshit would not coincidently do the same now as it did then.
Believing in bullshit just leads to more bullshit, it doesn't go anywhere. Believe the evidence not the wild assertions and bullshit, and you start to get somewhere.
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not following the bullshit and following the evidence is what brought me here but the bullshitters got here before me, what you know and what you believe all comes down to your methods to distinguish fact from theory but the fact is you have your views, i've got mine, we both believe the other is wrong but the difference between us is that i am here because i thought i could be wrong, you are here because you know you are right but its only me that can accept that trying to change the others mind would be flogging a dead horse so i don't even try but you cant stop yourself. prove me wrong, stop yourself!
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i accept it all. what do i do now?
Get a hobby? Maybe a pet?
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i accept it all. what do i do now?
Get a hobby? Maybe a pet?
I think he already has a hobby, it's called conspiracy theory. ;D
@brutal, Just out of curiousity, what caused you to awaken to the conspiracy?