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Re: new member struggling to come to terms with the nature of reality
« Reply #60 on: July 09, 2015, 05:56:15 PM »
let me put it another way, there are two ways of interpreting reality, the way it is and the way we are told that is meant to be and regardless of weather the earth is flat or round, when people believe what they are told is true without question it cultivates a very fertile ground for the seeds of deception to grow, i as i'm as sure many if not all other people have been deceived in the past at some point even if only into believing in Santa Claus as a child and lets face it who would not want to believe in santa as child, if he makes sure you get presents its a better world if he's real, its not until you start to question what you are told does it become clear that santa is not real so maybe the trauma of losing santa because we asked the right questions as a child is why we ask all the wrong questions when we grow up and maybe asking how does the globe earth work is asking the wrong question and maybe, just maybe the right question is how does a globe earth work if its flat?

Hello again brutal delux.

See, when we are thaught things at school, we are normally given conclusions, making it difficult to understand how these processes were reached. But as everything else in science, these experiments made can be recriated, and the conclusions of these experiments will be the same. Talking here about scientifical fields, if you ever find yourself in doubt as to what's the nature of our reality, always follow the path of evidence. I have given, in my first post, lots of easily identifiable evidence, which, in turn, goes on to create an unifying theory. I'm not gonna tell you what this unifying theory is, because you'll have to find yourself.

But remember, you can become indoctrinated in any theory. This is something most FE'ers forget, because as much as people can mindlessly follow RET, it is equally possible to fall into fanaticism in FET, or in any theory. Always question your reality, seek for the truth. The truth will always guide you in one way, except if you become partial to conclusions and evidence due to fanaticism.

And a last thing to remember, do not assume things too quickly. There will always be more phenomenons that require explanations, and they might change the whole theory by themselves. Just look at the evolution of the atomic models, and how each new phenomenon discovered remodeled it in a different way. After all, Science is not fixed, it's dynamic, changing with every new discovery, that is, if it cannot be explained in the current model.
When in doubt, remember RELM:
Rationality, Evidence, Logic and Math.

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Re: new member struggling to come to terms with the nature of reality
« Reply #61 on: July 10, 2015, 12:33:31 AM »
i think everyone grew up knowing the earth was a globe and never gave it another thought, some people still know its a globe and refuse to entertain even considering the slightest possibility that they could be wrong and i don't have a problem with them, i have always believed the earth was a globe but i am now open to the idea that i could possibly have been wrong when i was sure that i was right,  surely this puts me in a better position to learn new things than someone who cannot believe they could be wrong, this is why i came here to hear opposing ideas about how the world works and make up my own mind not to have a refresher course in the old theories and have my mind made up for me, i'm not here to try and change any ones views i'm hear looking for a different view on the nature of reallity because i'm bored of the existing one.
It puts you in the best position of all because you're willing to think outside of that box that we were all locked inside of.
Too many people are scared to entertain thoughts that seem way out or totally against their indoctrinated schooling, so they simply follow the masses because it's easier that way.

The truth is, they're correct, it is easier and much less troublesome. The problem is, they have no scope for anything else, except to keep on opening up their minds to receive the large spoonfull's of official info that requires them only to follow and regurgitate, but never ever question.

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Re: new member struggling to come to terms with the nature of reality
« Reply #62 on: July 10, 2015, 01:32:42 AM »
i think everyone grew up knowing the earth was a globe and never gave it another thought, some people still know its a globe and refuse to entertain even considering the slightest possibility that they could be wrong and i don't have a problem with them, i have always believed the earth was a globe but i am now open to the idea that i could possibly have been wrong when i was sure that i was right,  surely this puts me in a better position to learn new things than someone who cannot believe they could be wrong, this is why i came here to hear opposing ideas about how the world works and make up my own mind not to have a refresher course in the old theories and have my mind made up for me, i'm not here to try and change any ones views i'm hear looking for a different view on the nature of reallity because i'm bored of the existing one.
It puts you in the best position of all because you're willing to think outside of that box that we were all locked inside of.
Too many people are scared to entertain thoughts that seem way out or totally against their indoctrinated schooling, so they simply follow the masses because it's easier that way.

The truth is, they're correct, it is easier and much less troublesome. The problem is, they have no scope for anything else, except to keep on opening up their minds to receive the large spoonfull's of official info that requires them only to follow and regurgitate, but never ever question.
Another classic "you are not a sheep anymore" welcoming. Why is it impossible for someone to question the round earth theory and think that it is the correct one? Just because FE is an alternate theory, it does not mean that it's logical or correct.

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Re: new member struggling to come to terms with the nature of reality
« Reply #63 on: July 10, 2015, 02:10:06 AM »
i think everyone grew up knowing the earth was a globe and never gave it another thought, some people still know its a globe and refuse to entertain even considering the slightest possibility that they could be wrong and i don't have a problem with them, i have always believed the earth was a globe but i am now open to the idea that i could possibly have been wrong when i was sure that i was right,  surely this puts me in a better position to learn new things than someone who cannot believe they could be wrong, this is why i came here to hear opposing ideas about how the world works and make up my own mind not to have a refresher course in the old theories and have my mind made up for me, i'm not here to try and change any ones views i'm hear looking for a different view on the nature of reallity because i'm bored of the existing one.
It puts you in the best position of all because you're willing to think outside of that box that we were all locked inside of.
Too many people are scared to entertain thoughts that seem way out or totally against their indoctrinated schooling, so they simply follow the masses because it's easier that way.

The truth is, they're correct, it is easier and much less troublesome. The problem is, they have no scope for anything else, except to keep on opening up their minds to receive the large spoonfull's of official info that requires them only to follow and regurgitate, but never ever question.
Another classic "you are not a sheep anymore" welcoming. Why is it impossible for someone to question the round earth theory and think that it is the correct one? Just because FE is an alternate theory, it does not mean that it's logical or correct.
You people don't come here to question anything. You people come here to bestow  your absolute bullshit onto those that do question.

Your attempts at put down's are crap. Up your game or give it up. You don't win anything and will never get the upper hand. All you will do over time is become frustrated that you are another one that simply came onto the forum believing you will be the one to sort out the tin foil hat's, in your mind.

I guarantee you run away  crying, only to come back in another name to try again. You're not worth a carrot.  ;D

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Re: new member struggling to come to terms with the nature of reality
« Reply #64 on: July 10, 2015, 02:22:07 AM »
i think everyone grew up knowing the earth was a globe and never gave it another thought, some people still know its a globe and refuse to entertain even considering the slightest possibility that they could be wrong and i don't have a problem with them, i have always believed the earth was a globe but i am now open to the idea that i could possibly have been wrong when i was sure that i was right,  surely this puts me in a better position to learn new things than someone who cannot believe they could be wrong, this is why i came here to hear opposing ideas about how the world works and make up my own mind not to have a refresher course in the old theories and have my mind made up for me, i'm not here to try and change any ones views i'm hear looking for a different view on the nature of reallity because i'm bored of the existing one.
It puts you in the best position of all because you're willing to think outside of that box that we were all locked inside of.
Too many people are scared to entertain thoughts that seem way out or totally against their indoctrinated schooling, so they simply follow the masses because it's easier that way.

The truth is, they're correct, it is easier and much less troublesome. The problem is, they have no scope for anything else, except to keep on opening up their minds to receive the large spoonfull's of official info that requires them only to follow and regurgitate, but never ever question.
Blah..blah..blah  you're like a stuck record.  You've said this shit over 13,000 times now - endlessly repeating yourself doesn't make it  any more true.
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Re: new member struggling to come to terms with the nature of reality
« Reply #65 on: July 10, 2015, 02:41:45 AM »
i think everyone grew up knowing the earth was a globe and never gave it another thought, some people still know its a globe and refuse to entertain even considering the slightest possibility that they could be wrong and i don't have a problem with them, i have always believed the earth was a globe but i am now open to the idea that i could possibly have been wrong when i was sure that i was right,  surely this puts me in a better position to learn new things than someone who cannot believe they could be wrong, this is why i came here to hear opposing ideas about how the world works and make up my own mind not to have a refresher course in the old theories and have my mind made up for me, i'm not here to try and change any ones views i'm hear looking for a different view on the nature of reallity because i'm bored of the existing one.
It puts you in the best position of all because you're willing to think outside of that box that we were all locked inside of.
Too many people are scared to entertain thoughts that seem way out or totally against their indoctrinated schooling, so they simply follow the masses because it's easier that way.

The truth is, they're correct, it is easier and much less troublesome. The problem is, they have no scope for anything else, except to keep on opening up their minds to receive the large spoonfull's of official info that requires them only to follow and regurgitate, but never ever question.
Blah..blah..blah  you're like a stuck record.  You've said this shit over 13,000 times now - endlessly repeating yourself doesn't make it  any more true.
Stop being bad tempered.

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Re: new member struggling to come to terms with the nature of reality
« Reply #66 on: July 10, 2015, 03:45:38 AM »
what i don't understand is why if these flat earthers are mental and stupid is it so important that i don't listen to them, why does every flat earther that contributes to my post get shouted down, insulted and ridiculed,you may have heard it all before but i want to hear what they have to say and if you are sick of hearing it then in "reality" its because you are in the wrong place. so why not use your knowledge and education to find the right place and leave this place alone?
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Re: new member struggling to come to terms with the nature of reality
« Reply #67 on: July 10, 2015, 03:50:42 AM »
what i don't understand is why if these flat earthers are mental and stupid is it so important that i don't listen to them, why does every flat earther that contributes to my post get shouted down, insulted and ridiculed,you may have heard it all before but i want to hear what they have to say and if you are sick of hearing it then in "reality" its because you are in the wrong place. so why not use your knowledge and education to find the right place and leave this place alone?
Two reasons. They are either bullied people who are now using the internet to bully, in the knowledge that they are backed up by mass opinion of the understanding that alternative thinkers to the globe and mainstream models of anything is classed as unstable thinking by tin foil hat conspiracy lunatics whoa re uneducated to the point of retardation.

Or they are paid to simply make sure that people don't start to see reality.

The third option is, they come here as global Earth believer's and actually see enough to genuinely start to question their belief's.
This third option one I have lot's of time for.

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Re: new member struggling to come to terms with the nature of reality
« Reply #68 on: July 10, 2015, 03:54:44 AM »
i think everyone grew up knowing the earth was a globe and never gave it another thought, some people still know its a globe and refuse to entertain even considering the slightest possibility that they could be wrong and i don't have a problem with them, i have always believed the earth was a globe but i am now open to the idea that i could possibly have been wrong when i was sure that i was right,  surely this puts me in a better position to learn new things than someone who cannot believe they could be wrong, this is why i came here to hear opposing ideas about how the world works and make up my own mind not to have a refresher course in the old theories and have my mind made up for me, i'm not here to try and change any ones views i'm hear looking for a different view on the nature of reallity because i'm bored of the existing one.
It puts you in the best position of all because you're willing to think outside of that box that we were all locked inside of.
Too many people are scared to entertain thoughts that seem way out or totally against their indoctrinated schooling, so they simply follow the masses because it's easier that way.

The truth is, they're correct, it is easier and much less troublesome. The problem is, they have no scope for anything else, except to keep on opening up their minds to receive the large spoonfull's of official info that requires them only to follow and regurgitate, but never ever question.
Blah..blah..blah  you're like a stuck record.  You've said this shit over 13,000 times now - endlessly repeating yourself doesn't make it  any more true.
Stop being bad tempered.
Oh the irony...

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Re: new member struggling to come to terms with the nature of reality
« Reply #69 on: July 10, 2015, 04:08:45 AM »
what i don't understand is why if these flat earthers are mental and stupid is it so important that i don't listen to them, why does every flat earther that contributes to my post get shouted down, insulted and ridiculed,you may have heard it all before but i want to hear what they have to say and if you are sick of hearing it then in "reality" its because you are in the wrong place. so why not use your knowledge and education to find the right place and leave this place alone?

I haven't seen any genuine flat earthers respond to anything you've asked so far,   sceptic doesn't count,   I'm not sure he's a proper flat earther.   If you have your own reality, then you don't need to ask stupid questions.
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Re: new member struggling to come to terms with the nature of reality
« Reply #70 on: July 10, 2015, 04:18:20 AM »
ok say i was to accept that this flat earth stuff is nonsense, what would a sane, intelligent person do next? 
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Re: new member struggling to come to terms with the nature of reality
« Reply #71 on: July 10, 2015, 04:20:01 AM »
but you are still here because?
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Re: new member struggling to come to terms with the nature of reality
« Reply #72 on: July 10, 2015, 04:26:54 AM »
ok say i was to accept that this flat earth stuff is nonsense, what would a sane, intelligent person do next?

If you have any doubts you should look at the evidence and your own observations and make up your own mind,   it will become clear that the earth is round, and whatever the conspiracy is,  and I'm sure there are plenty of conspiracies to go around, hiding the shape of the earth isn't one of them.

On a clear day look at the horizon,  you will see a sharp line,   climb a hill,  or a tall building you will be able to see further,   watch a sunset,  see the sun sink slowly below the horizon,   all those things are impossible on a flat earth.   It's not particularly difficult.

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Re: new member struggling to come to terms with the nature of reality
« Reply #73 on: July 10, 2015, 04:28:47 AM »
but you are still here because?

I like the debate.   Sometimes the occasional andromedian delegate, or time traveler will come along,  they are always interesting.   


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Re: new member struggling to come to terms with the nature of reality
« Reply #74 on: July 10, 2015, 04:43:32 AM »
rayzor you strike me as a sane intelligent person who accepts the world is not flat so please tell me if i also accept the world is not flat and i am sane and intelegent why would i need to "look at the horizon,  see a sharp line,   climb a hill,  or a tall building to see further,   watch a sunset,  see the sun sink slowly below the horizone" why would i need to do any of that if i already accept the earth cannot be flat, what would be the point?
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Re: new member struggling to come to terms with the nature of reality
« Reply #75 on: July 10, 2015, 04:54:29 AM »
rayzor you strike me as a sane intelligent person who accepts the world is not flat so please tell me if i also accept the world is not flat and i am sane and intelegent why would i need to "look at the horizon,  see a sharp line,   climb a hill,  or a tall building to see further,   watch a sunset,  see the sun sink slowly below the horizone" why would i need to do any of that if i already accept the earth cannot be flat, what would be the point?

I took your question as rhetorical,   bearing in mind your starting point  was.  ....     Quoting what you said just a short while ago... 

i am not here because i "believe" the earth is flat and therefore believe in god, i'm here because i "know" the earth is flat and am now incapable of believing the earth is a ball, i cant explain the who's, why and wherefores, i just want a forum where i can engage with other people who do not rely on theories  that require no physical evidence or rely on evidence that is not attainable to explain observations made from ground level  in favour of discussing the physical evidence observable at ground level that as yet can't be explained by the globe model. its a bit early for me to believe that god did it but if you have some physical evidence i can check myself that does not require me to go into space or fly over the south pole i'd love to see it.

I'm offering you some physical evidence observable (by yourself)  at ground level,  that doesn't require you to go into space or fly over the south pole. 


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Re: new member struggling to come to terms with the nature of reality
« Reply #76 on: July 10, 2015, 04:57:53 AM »
I think deep down, the loss of Santa Claus and all his magic as a child has effected some people more than others,wouldn't it be a shame if there was still magic in the world but you never found it because you never looked
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Re: new member struggling to come to terms with the nature of reality
« Reply #77 on: July 10, 2015, 05:06:42 AM »
I think deep down, the loss of Santa Claus and all his magic as a child has effected some people more than others,wouldn't it be a shame if there was still magic in the world but you never found it because you never looked

There is magic all around, you just need eyes to see.   The real world has more than enough wonders and mysteries,   just think what a dull place it would be if we knew everything.   

In the words of Carl Sagan, 
“Every one of us is, in the cosmic perspective, precious. If a human disagrees with you, let him live. In a hundred billion galaxies, you will not find another.”

“The Cosmos is all that is or was or ever will be.
Our feeblest contemplations of the Cosmos stir us -- there is a tingling in the spine, a catch in the voice, a faint sensation, as if a distant memory, of falling from a height. We know we are approaching the greatest of mysteries.”

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Re: new member struggling to come to terms with the nature of reality
« Reply #78 on: July 10, 2015, 05:11:57 AM »
razor lets assume i'm convinced now that the earth is indeed really a ball, i understand and accept all your arguments, reason and evidence i've followed and seen the value all your advise, i now know the earth is a balland the universe full of magic, what do i do next assuming that i no longer need convincing that the earth is a ball and the universe full of magic, i accept it all. what do i do now?
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Re: new member struggling to come to terms with the nature of reality
« Reply #79 on: July 10, 2015, 05:15:27 AM »
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what do i do now?
I find the universe mind-boggingly exceptional as it is. I don't need to add poorly sketched magic onto it to make it better. The fact that each of us can search our own answers is very important. Research. Listen to the propositions, do your own testing. It is always a nice mental exercise to listen to someone, and question yourself "Does this make sense?". In other words: Advance the world by examining the evidence. Science will possibly never get all the answers, and that means that the very last human will still have questions. Find unanswered questions, and look for the answer. The answer will bring us even more answers. Its in human nature.
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Re: new member struggling to come to terms with the nature of reality
« Reply #80 on: July 10, 2015, 05:19:56 AM »
razor lets assume i'm convinced now that the earth is indeed really a ball, i understand and accept all your arguments, reason and evidence i've followed and seen the value all your advise, i now know the earth is a balland the universe full of magic, what do i do next assuming that i no longer need convincing that the earth is a ball and the universe full of magic, i accept it all. what do i do now?

That's not up to anyone but yourself,  I can't tell you how to live your life, and you shouldn't  let anyone else tell you either.   The only thing I can say is you have only one life,  don't waste it.   Be yourself, be happy.




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Re: new member struggling to come to terms with the nature of reality
« Reply #81 on: July 10, 2015, 05:29:12 AM »
That sounds like really good advise, why aren't you following it? instead of wasting your life here patrolling the flat earth forum for flat earth believers who are wasting their life, surely flat earthers come and go from this site but if you remain here even though you already know the earth is round surely that is an even bigger tragic waste of a life, their is a whole magical universe to explore didn't know and you're not going to see any of here, these idiots think the earth is flat
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Re: new member struggling to come to terms with the nature of reality
« Reply #82 on: July 10, 2015, 05:41:20 AM »
That sounds like really good advise, why aren't you following it? instead of wasting your life here patrolling the flat earth forum for flat earth believers who are wasting their life, surely flat earthers come and go from this site but if you remain here even though you already know the earth is round surely that is an even bigger tragic waste of a life, their is a whole magical universe to explore didn't know and you're not going to see any of here, these idiots think the earth is flat

I like the intellectual challenge of debate,  sometimes it all gets a bit heated, but a little passion is a good thing,  and in spite of first appearances not all flat earthers are idiots,  in fact I'd say very few.   
Where else are you going to find another sceptimatic,  they don't grow on trees you know.     (Or maybe they do,  I'll need to think about that...   ;D )   

As for universes,  I don't know how old you are or what your experience of life is,  but there is a whole universe of the human mind that's largely unexplored.   

The world of the conspiracist is a strange one,  paranoid delusions of persecution, and mistrust of authority, coupled to willingness to believe fantastical views of reality,  and a built in arrogance,  the " I can see through the lies, all the rest of you are sheeple"  self delusion.    Makes for interesting, even if sometimes frustrating debate.

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Re: new member struggling to come to terms with the nature of reality
« Reply #83 on: July 10, 2015, 06:12:13 AM »
i did not come here to debate round earth theory i came to hear what flat earthers had to say but all i've learned about flat earthers is what round earthers say they say, i cannot argue the ball earth, the theory is plausible, highly probable, given observations made from ground level it makes a lot of sense to me, there is a lot more theory than i can make sense of but that doesn't necessarily mean i'm stupid, it could mean that i don't need to get to the bottom of bullshit to realize i'm up to my neck in bullshit, for me the ball earth is a good theory and i haven't heard any plausible theory for the flat earth but the concept that i could be missing out on a giant magic trick laid on just for us is worth hearing once if nothing else comes of it i just have a gut feeling that their is much more going on than meets the eye and no one can prove there isn't and until they can i'm not going to rule anything out.
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Re: new member struggling to come to terms with the nature of reality
« Reply #84 on: July 10, 2015, 06:17:55 AM »
May be flat earth is bullshit but look what people who believed this bullshit have achieved, the pyramids still hold many mysteries, amazing structures built by people who believed bullshit, just think what we may be capable of if we believed the same bullshit as they did
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Re: new member struggling to come to terms with the nature of reality
« Reply #85 on: July 10, 2015, 06:27:59 AM »
i did not come here to debate round earth theory i came to hear what flat earthers had to say but all i've learned about flat earthers is what round earthers say they say, i cannot argue the ball earth, the theory is plausible, highly probable, given observations made from ground level it makes a lot of sense to me, there is a lot more theory than i can make sense of but that doesn't necessarily mean i'm stupid, it could mean that i don't need to get to the bottom of bullshit to realize i'm up to my neck in bullshit, for me the ball earth is a good theory and i haven't heard any plausible theory for the flat earth but the concept that i could be missing out on a giant magic trick laid on just for us is worth hearing once if nothing else comes of it i just have a gut feeling that their is much more going on than meets the eye and no one can prove there isn't and until they can i'm not going to rule anything out.

Study the flat earth theory,   read "Earth Not A Globe" by  Rowbotham   I'd pretty much take youtube videos with a grain of salt,  I've yet to see one that puts a compelling flat earth case,   most have such glaring errors and misunderstandings.    Research and understand what you have to disbelieve to accept flat earth as real. 

Post questions in the Q&A section of the forum,   there's not supposed to be any debate in those sections,  but moderation around here is moderate.  Mostly it's self policed.

Have a look at some of the other forums,   http://tfes.org   http://serendipitous.boards.net/   http://ifers.boards.net/   http://feresearch.boards.net/ 

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Re: new member struggling to come to terms with the nature of reality
« Reply #86 on: July 10, 2015, 06:35:13 AM »
May be flat earth is bullshit but look what people who believed this bullshit have achieved, the pyramids still hold many mysteries, amazing structures built by people who believed bullshit, just think what we may be capable of if we believed the same bullshit as they did

The Greeks knew the earth was a globe thousands of years ago,  Columbus knew the earth was a globe.   It's not exactly a new observation.   Columbus knew the earth was a globe, and he thought exploring west would lead to a shorter trade route to India,   even to the extent of mistakenly calling the people of North America Indians.   

The ability to build pyramids had more to do with the wealth and power of harnessing the Nile,  the engineering ability and understanding of mathematics plus the resources of a wealthy civilization,  than a belief in the shape of the earth. 

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Re: new member struggling to come to terms with the nature of reality
« Reply #87 on: July 10, 2015, 07:06:25 AM »
some good points raised, columbus knew the world was a globe but he also made the greatest dicsovery of his day and mistook it for india so he wasn't as smart as he thought he was and maybe its coincidence that people who achieved great things in the past just happened to also believe bullshit who's to say that believing in bullshit would not coincidently do the same now as it did then.
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Re: new member struggling to come to terms with the nature of reality
« Reply #88 on: July 10, 2015, 07:14:28 AM »
some good points raised, columbus knew the world was a globe but he also made the greatest dicsovery of his day and mistook it for india so he wasn't as smart as he thought he was and maybe its coincidence that people who achieved great things in the past just happened to also believe bullshit who's to say that believing in bullshit would not coincidently do the same now as it did then.

Believing in bullshit  just leads to more bullshit,  it doesn't go anywhere.    Believe the evidence not the wild assertions and bullshit,  and you start to get somewhere.


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Re: new member struggling to come to terms with the nature of reality
« Reply #89 on: July 10, 2015, 08:02:18 AM »
not following the bullshit and following the evidence is what brought me here but the bullshitters got here before me, what you know and what you believe all comes down to your methods to distinguish fact from theory but the fact is you have your views, i've got mine, we both believe the other is wrong but the difference between us is that i am here because i thought i could be wrong, you are here because you know you are right but its only me that can accept that trying to change the others mind would be flogging a dead horse so i don't even try but you cant stop yourself. prove me wrong, stop yourself!   
If you can't dazzle them with diamonds, baffle them with bullshit! W.C. Fields