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Title: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: ocha on April 27, 2014, 10:01:05 AM
Gravimeters are devices that measure the acceleration of gravity in a certain place. They are extremely accurate, measuring variations of even 10-12 g. For example by knowing gravity variations somewhere you can know the rock types there are beneath the surface, and find certain minerals or petroleum.
If according to FET the Earth has a constant acceleration of 9,81 m/s2, how can this work? Are all geologists in the conspiracy too?
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Starman on April 27, 2014, 07:33:32 PM
Gravimeters are devices that measure the acceleration of gravity in a certain place. They are extremely accurate, measuring variations of even 10-12 g. For example by knowing gravity variations somewhere you can know the rock types there are beneath the surface, and find certain minerals or petroleum.
If according to FET the Earth has a constant acceleration of 9,81 m/s2, how can this work? Are all geologists in the conspiracy too?
In theory every location on the flat earth would have to accelerate perfectly at fixed constant. If not the FE would break up. Now we can measure the gravitation force on the whole earth and map it.  Flat earth busted!
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: sceptimatic on April 28, 2014, 12:16:20 AM
How about a brief explanation how this gravimeter calculates this gravity?
What I'd like to know is the mechanism inside it and what it actually does to show gravity?

Just a simple and brief explanation will suffice.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Pythagoras on April 28, 2014, 12:48:16 AM
How bout you find out for yourself? Why do you require people to give you explanations? The post isn't about how they work. It's about how can what they show be coincided with a flat earth. ( hint, they can't)
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: sceptimatic on April 28, 2014, 12:50:15 AM
How bout you find out for yourself? Why do you require people to give you explanations? The post isn't about how they work. It's about how can what they show be coincided with a flat earth. ( hint, they can't)
It was a questions and answers, so I asked a question. I just thought one of you expert globalites would know how they work. Obviously I was mistaken, as it appears you don't know how they work.
Fair enough.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: ocha on April 28, 2014, 02:12:27 AM
Most common relative gravimeters are spring-based. A spring-based relative gravimeter is basically a weight on a spring, and by measuring the amount by which the weight stretches the spring, local gravity can be measured. However, the strength of the spring must be calibrated by placing the instrument in a location with a known gravitational acceleration.

The most accurate relative gravimeters are superconducting gravimeters, which operate by suspending a liquid helium cooled diamagnetic superconducting niobium sphere in an extremely stable magnetic field; the current required to generate the magnetic field that suspends the niobium sphere is proportional to the strength of the Earth's gravitational field. The superconducting gravimeter achieves sensitivities of one nanogal, one thousandth of one billionth (10-12) of the Earth surface gravity. In a demonstration of the sensitivity of the superconducting gravimeter, Virtanen (2006), describes how an instrument at Metsähovi, Finland, detected the gradual increase in surface gravity as workmen cleared snow from its laboratory roof.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravimeter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravimeter)
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: sceptimatic on April 28, 2014, 08:38:07 AM
It's amazing stuff this gravity, isn't it.  ;D
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Starman on April 28, 2014, 08:53:59 AM
It's amazing stuff this gravity, isn't it.  ;D
It says a lot. UA could not work if parts of the FE is acceleration more than other places.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: markjo on April 28, 2014, 09:12:19 AM
It's amazing stuff this gravity, isn't it.  ;D
Gravity isn't nearly as amazing, or mysterious, as denpresure.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: sceptimatic on April 28, 2014, 09:18:48 AM
It's amazing stuff this gravity, isn't it.  ;D
Gravity isn't nearly as amazing, or mysterious, as denpresure.
Well denpressure can be explained in a basic way as to what it actually is. Gravity has this magical quality that no one knows what the hell it is and weirdly it cannot be explained.
Anyway, I won't harp on about it. I think it's fairly clear.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: ocha on April 28, 2014, 09:23:19 AM
It's amazing stuff this gravity, isn't it.  ;D
Gravity isn't nearly as amazing, or mysterious, as denpresure.
I agree, scepti's denpressure is far better. At least I laughed a lot more when he explained denpressure than when my physics teacher explained gravity to me.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: ocha on April 28, 2014, 09:25:47 AM
It's amazing stuff this gravity, isn't it.  ;D
Gravity isn't nearly as amazing, or mysterious, as denpresure.
Well denpressure can be explained in a basic way as to what it actually is. Gravity has this magical quality that no one knows what the hell it is and weirdly it cannot be explained.
Anyway, I won't harp on about it. I think it's fairly clear.
But gravimeters work. How is this possible with your denpressure theory?
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on April 28, 2014, 09:37:54 AM
It's amazing stuff this gravity, isn't it.  ;D
Gravity isn't nearly as amazing, or mysterious, as denpresure.
Well denpressure can be explained in a basic way as to what it actually is. Gravity has this magical quality that no one knows what the hell it is and weirdly it cannot be explained.
Anyway, I won't harp on about it. I think it's fairly clear.
But gravimeters work. How is this possible with your denpressure theory?
Because they are actually measuring the amount of denpressure  ::) I can see why scepti gets impatient with you lot.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on April 28, 2014, 09:47:17 AM
What if some parts of the Earth are semipermeable and the UA simply makes some things lighter than others? 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 28, 2014, 10:55:16 AM
What if some parts of the Earth are semipermeable and the UA simply makes some things lighter than others?
The slight differences over time could be why mountains exist.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Starman on April 28, 2014, 12:20:58 PM
What if some parts of the Earth are semipermeable and the UA simply makes some things lighter than others?
car
It is like having the g force in a semipermeable car or airplane?
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on April 28, 2014, 12:22:21 PM
Mountains are due to fluctuations in the hyper-density-layer below the earth's crust.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: ocha on April 28, 2014, 12:31:15 PM
It is not about differences over time, but differences between different places at the same time. You know, they find petroleum and certain minerals using that. Submarines use them as well to navigate, to map the bottom of the sea.
What if some parts of the Earth are semipermeable and the UA simply makes some things lighter than others? 
If the "Flat Earth" didn't accelerate uniformly, it would break apart.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on April 28, 2014, 04:09:34 PM
We are not talking strictly about acceleration variances here.  We are talking about perceived acceleration variances. 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: inquisitive on April 28, 2014, 04:15:47 PM
We are not talking strictly about acceleration variances here.  We are talking about perceived acceleration variances.
We are talking about measured differences at the same time in different places.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: ocha on April 28, 2014, 04:24:10 PM
So according to the UA theory, how is it possible that we measure different accelerations in different places and we manage to use this to find some minerals, for example? Or its variation with altitude? Please explain further.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Starman on April 28, 2014, 05:45:21 PM
We are not talking strictly about acceleration variances here.  We are talking about perceived acceleration variances.
The idea is there are definably variances in gravity all over the world and there should be. The same applies to the moon. It has been mapped also. If the earth were flat the acceleration HAS to be constant all over the flat earth. You can't have England accelerate a bit faster or slower than America. The whole earth would break up.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on April 28, 2014, 07:13:22 PM
As I said earlier, it is possible that the Earth is permeable and that different locations allow different amounts of UA to seep through, giving slightly different g readings in different locations.  I am not stating this as a fact; I am only speculating.   
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: markjo on April 28, 2014, 07:30:30 PM
As I understand it, the UA is pushing the flat earth upwards.  What property of this "pushing force" leaking through would allow for these subtle, but measurable, changes in g reading and why wouldn't the different rates of acceleration tear apart the flat earth?
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on April 28, 2014, 07:43:46 PM
Are you saying that matter is completely un-impermeable?  You do realize the distance in between atoms, right? 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: markjo on April 28, 2014, 08:11:13 PM
Are you saying that matter is completely un-impermeable? 
No, I am saying that you are completely incapable of reading, comprehending and replying to straightforward questions.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on April 28, 2014, 08:19:24 PM
Would a force be able to reach things on the other side of a solid object? Can forces penetrate through things that otherwise seem solid? 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: sokarul on April 28, 2014, 09:34:24 PM
Would a force be able to reach things on the other side of a solid object? Can forces penetrate through things that otherwise seem solid?
Depends. Can a person move their couch by pushing on a wall? No.

As I said earlier, it is possible that the Earth is permeable and that different locations allow different amounts of UA to seep through, giving slightly different g readings in different locations.  I am not stating this as a fact; I am only speculating.
Sounds like theoretical physics to me.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Starman on April 29, 2014, 06:11:28 AM
As I said earlier, it is possible that the Earth is permeable and that different locations allow different amounts of UA to seep through, giving slightly different g readings in different locations.  I am not stating this as a fact; I am only speculating.
I know you are speculating but you can't seep Acceleration to be faster or slower. It is like having 50 kids on the buss. They will all feel acceleration all at the same time.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: markjo on April 29, 2014, 07:05:30 AM
Would a force be able to reach things on the other side of a solid object? Can forces penetrate through things that otherwise seem solid?
Are you saying that the flat earth is a solid object?  Doesn't the FE have a liquid magma layer?
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on April 30, 2014, 12:33:26 AM
Would a force be able to reach things on the other side of a solid object? Can forces penetrate through things that otherwise seem solid?
Depends. Can a person move their couch by pushing on a wall? No.

If my coach has iron in it, could I not move it using a strong enough magnet from the other side of a wall?

As I said earlier, it is possible that the Earth is permeable and that different locations allow different amounts of UA to seep through, giving slightly different g readings in different locations.  I am not stating this as a fact; I am only speculating.
Sounds like theoretical physics to me.
Yes, it does.

Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on April 30, 2014, 12:41:45 AM
As I said earlier, it is possible that the Earth is permeable and that different locations allow different amounts of UA to seep through, giving slightly different g readings in different locations.  I am not stating this as a fact; I am only speculating.
I know you are speculating but you can't seep Acceleration to be faster or slower. It is like having 50 kids on the buss. They will all feel acceleration all at the same time.

They don't all feel the acceleration at the same time.  If it is a front wheel drive buss, the kids at the front of the buss will feel the acceleration a fraction of a second before the kids at the rear do.  The acceleration travels at the speed of light. 

If you had a cue stick that reached from the Earth to the RE moon and you were somehow able to push it, the rear part of the stick would move a couple of seconds before the tip end of the stick moves. 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on April 30, 2014, 12:43:37 AM
Would a force be able to reach things on the other side of a solid object? Can forces penetrate through things that otherwise seem solid?
Are you saying that the flat earth is a solid object?  Doesn't the FE have a liquid magma layer?

It is possible that there are simply pockets of magma and the rest of the Earth is solid.  This could be why there are not volcanoes everywhere. 

Also, forces can travel through liquids as well as solids. 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Starman on April 30, 2014, 04:05:38 AM
As I said earlier, it is possible that the Earth is permeable and that different locations allow different amounts of UA to seep through, giving slightly different g readings in different locations.  I am not stating this as a fact; I am only speculating.
I know you are speculating but you can't seep Acceleration to be faster or slower. It is like having 50 kids on the buss. They will all feel acceleration all at the same time.

They don't all feel the acceleration at the same time.  If it is a front wheel drive buss, the kids at the front of the buss will feel the acceleration a fraction of a second before the kids at the rear do.  The acceleration travels at the speed of light. 

If you had a cue stick that reached from the Earth to the RE moon and you were somehow able to push it, the rear part of the stick would move a couple of seconds before the tip end of the stick moves.
Are you saying the buss is stretching if it is front wheel drive and the buss is compressing if it is rear wheel drive?   
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on April 30, 2014, 04:20:58 AM
Yes.   Special Relativity tells us that.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Starman on April 30, 2014, 04:28:08 AM
Yes.   Special Relativity tells us that.
What you are doing is taking the Special Relativity to the extreme. Are you saying people are shorter standing up as if there were laying down on the FE?
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: inquisitive on April 30, 2014, 04:54:18 AM
Yes.   Special Relativity tells us that.
By what distance?
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: sandokhan on April 30, 2014, 05:38:29 AM
There is no such thing as the UA acceleration.

http://depalma.pair.com/gyrodrop.html (http://depalma.pair.com/gyrodrop.html)

GYRODROP EXPERIMENT: DEFIANCE OF ATTRACTIVE GRAVITY


The gyro drop proves that the rotating gyroscope falls faster than its non-rotating counterpart (A-10 gravimeter used).

(http://depalma.pair.com/gyrodrop3.jpg)

(http://depalma.pair.com/gyrodrop2.jpg)


Nowhere in the Principia does Newton mention attractive gravity; on the contrary, he dismisses this known "law" in no uncertain terms:

A letter to Bentley: “That gravity should be innate, inherent, and essential to matter, so that one body can act upon another at a distance through a vacuum without the mediation of anything else, by and through which their action and force may be conveyed from one to another, is to me so great an absurdity that I believe no man, who has in philosophical matters a competent faculty of thinking, can ever fall into it.”
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: markjo on April 30, 2014, 06:14:42 AM
There is no such thing as the UA acceleration.

http://depalma.pair.com/gyrodrop.html (http://depalma.pair.com/gyrodrop.html)

GYRODROP EXPERIMENT: DEFIANCE OF ATTRACTIVE GRAVITY
Sandokhan, Universal Acceleration is acceleration, not attractive gravity.  Please try to keep up, will you?
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: markjo on April 30, 2014, 06:20:41 AM
Would a force be able to reach things on the other side of a solid object? Can forces penetrate through things that otherwise seem solid?
Are you saying that the flat earth is a solid object?  Doesn't the FE have a liquid magma layer?

It is possible that there are simply pockets of magma and the rest of the Earth is solid.  This could be why there are not volcanoes everywhere.
It is also possible that everything below the crust is magma.  Volcanoes only occur when there are openings in the crust (plate boundaries, hot spots, etc.).

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Also, forces can travel through liquids as well as solids.
That would depend on what is applying the force, don't you think?
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on April 30, 2014, 09:05:37 AM
markjo, what force can not pass through a solid or liquid? 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Starman on April 30, 2014, 09:07:24 AM
markjo, what force can not pass through a solid or liquid?
Magnetism for one and electric is the other one
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on April 30, 2014, 09:10:32 AM
You are saying that a magnetic field can not pass through a solid? 

You are also saying that electricity can not pass through a solid object?

Your are really making yourself look dumb. 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Starman on April 30, 2014, 09:14:45 AM
You are saying that a magnetic field can not pass through a solid? 

You are also saying that electricity can not pass through a solid object?

Your are really making yourself look dumb.
It will pass through most solid but it will not to all.
Electric field is a force while electricity is a the glowing of electrons in metal or a vacuum as we know it.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 30, 2014, 09:16:52 AM
You are saying that a magnetic field can not pass through a solid? 

You are also saying that electricity can not pass through a solid object?

Your are really making yourself look dumb.
It will pass through most solid but it will not to all.
Electric field is a force while electricity is a the glowing of electrons in metal or a vacuum as we know it.
Metal is a solid. Wires are solid.
What solid won't magnetism pass through?
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on April 30, 2014, 09:22:34 AM
Starman, you are making people think you are not very educated.  That is one of the dumbest things you have said. 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Starman on April 30, 2014, 12:09:26 PM
Starman, you are making people think you are not very educated.  That is one of the dumbest things you have said.
Here is your question. "what force can not pass through a solid or liquid?" You can answer if you like? 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 30, 2014, 01:55:31 PM
Starman, you are making people think you are not very educated.  That is one of the dumbest things you have said.
Here is your question. "what force can not pass through a solid or liquid?" You can answer if you like?
Magnetism for one and electric is the other one
That was your answer.
We're discussing how wrong this is.
Read here if you'd like.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force)
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: sokarul on April 30, 2014, 02:12:43 PM
Would a force be able to reach things on the other side of a solid object? Can forces penetrate through things that otherwise seem solid?
Depends. Can a person move their couch by pushing on a wall? No.

If my coach has iron in it, could I not move it using a strong enough magnet from the other side of a wall?
It could. It's only one type of force. You did not specify which force you were talking about.


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As I said earlier, it is possible that the Earth is permeable and that different locations allow different amounts of UA to seep through, giving slightly different g readings in different locations.  I am not stating this as a fact; I am only speculating.
Sounds like theoretical physics to me.
Yes, it does.
Might want to refer to your previous thread about how theoretical physics is bad.

As I said earlier, it is possible that the Earth is permeable and that different locations allow different amounts of UA to seep through, giving slightly different g readings in different locations.  I am not stating this as a fact; I am only speculating.
I know you are speculating but you can't seep Acceleration to be faster or slower. It is like having 50 kids on the buss. They will all feel acceleration all at the same time.

They don't all feel the acceleration at the same time.  If it is a front wheel drive buss, the kids at the front of the buss will feel the acceleration a fraction of a second before the kids at the rear do.  The acceleration travels at the speed of light. 

If you had a cue stick that reached from the Earth to the RE moon and you were somehow able to push it, the rear part of the stick would move a couple of seconds before the tip end of the stick moves.
The speed of push is actually equal to the speed of sound in the material, not the speed of light.

...  That is one of the dumbest things you have said. 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on April 30, 2014, 02:47:47 PM
So then, we are in agreement that a force can penetrate a solid. 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 30, 2014, 02:50:49 PM
So then, we are in agreement that a force can penetrate a solid.
Except for maybe Starman.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on April 30, 2014, 02:52:28 PM
Starman will just tell you to get an education. 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: markjo on April 30, 2014, 03:46:15 PM
markjo, what force can not pass through a solid or liquid?
That depends on what you mean by "force" and "pass through".  It would also depend greatly on the physical properties of the solid or liquid.  For example, magnetic force can pass through paper, but it can't pass through many metals.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on April 30, 2014, 04:05:37 PM
What metals will stop magnetic force? 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: sokarul on April 30, 2014, 04:12:20 PM
markjo, what force can not pass through a solid or liquid?
That depends on what you mean by "force" and "pass through".  It would also depend greatly on the physical properties of the solid or liquid.  For example, magnetic force can pass through paper, but it can't pass through many metals.
He is being vague on purpose.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: RandomREalist on April 30, 2014, 05:21:33 PM
What metals will stop magnetic force?

I can tell you most precious metals (silver, gold and the like) are non magnetic. I don't know if you equate that with "stopping" magnetic forces or not.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Starman on April 30, 2014, 05:30:32 PM
What metals will stop magnetic force?
Put a compass in a metal can or go inside a steel building. It will not work.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on April 30, 2014, 05:41:47 PM
Funny enough, I have a can of soup in front of me, a button compass in my desk, and a fairly strong magnet somewhere (will have to find it).  I will post the result soon.  I need to eat the soup first. 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Starman on April 30, 2014, 05:46:44 PM
Funny enough, I have a can of soup in front of me, a button compass in my desk, and a fairly strong magnet somewhere (will have to find it).  I will post the result soon.  I need to eat the soup first.
Now you are out of proportion. Put the compass in the middle of a steel ship and try your magnet.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on April 30, 2014, 05:51:47 PM
I am currently in a steel building.  Will that work? 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Starman on April 30, 2014, 05:52:47 PM
I am currently in a steel building.  Will that work?
Does your compass work?
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on April 30, 2014, 06:00:05 PM
It appears to be working.  I am still working on the soup, though.  I am eating right out of the can. 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Starman on April 30, 2014, 06:07:36 PM
It appears to be working.  I am still working on the soup, though.  I am eating right out of the can.
If the magnetic field of your compass would go thought metal the compass would not move if you had a piece of metal close to it.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on April 30, 2014, 06:10:03 PM
If the magnetic field of your compass would go thought metal the compass would not move if you had a piece of metal close to it.

I have no idea what you just said.  ???
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Starman on April 30, 2014, 06:21:21 PM
Let me explain.  If a magnetic field would pass through metal then by placing a piece of metal close to a compass it would not have any effect on it. The fact the compass moves is because the magnetic field is disrupted by the metal.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: markjo on April 30, 2014, 07:13:37 PM
What metals will stop magnetic force?
(http://www.mobiusengine.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/tin-foil-hat-3.jpg)
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on April 30, 2014, 08:23:28 PM
Well, I placed the compass in the can and moved the magnet around the outside and the magnet was able to affect the compass inside.  Now we know that magnetic force can pass through solid objects. 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: ocha on April 30, 2014, 08:25:43 PM
Metals don't insulate against magnetic fields as far as I know. Not sure though.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: markjo on April 30, 2014, 08:30:34 PM
Well, I placed the compass in the can and moved the magnet around the outside and the magnet was able to affect the compass inside.  Now we know that magnetic force can pass through solid objects.
What metal was the can made of?  Did you try a steel can?  Can you post a video so that we can check your methodology?
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on April 30, 2014, 08:32:19 PM
Apparently, wood does not either, as I can make the compass move by moving a magnet under the table.  So, that settles the matter.  Forces can and do penetrate through solids. 

markjo, I can post a video in the morning.  I am at work right now.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on April 30, 2014, 09:24:37 PM
Interestingly, the magnet itself is enclosed in metal (apparently  steel), yet still affects the compass.  I tried placing several different types of material between the compass and magnet: a cup of coffee, my leatherman wave knife, plastic safety glasses, a pad of paper.  None of these materials seemed to have any effect on the magnet's ability to move the compass.  In fact, the knife actually increased the distance from which the magnet would affect the compass.  I could find no material that did not allow the magnetic force to pass through. 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: th3rm0m3t3r0 on April 30, 2014, 10:46:50 PM
Interestingly, the magnet itself is enclosed in metal (apparently  steel), yet still affects the compass.  I tried placing several different types of material between the compass and magnet: a cup of coffee, my leatherman wave knife, plastic safety glasses, a pad of paper.  None of these materials seemed to have any effect on the magnet's ability to move the compass.  In fact, the knife actually increased the distance from which the magnet would affect the compass.  I could find no material that did not allow the magnetic force to pass through.
There's a non-magnetic coat of some type of nickel alloy on the outside of my neodymium magnets.   :D
Funny thing about those magnets.
I have one with a pull force of about 200 pounds, and you can effect an object on the other side of the wall with it.
Is this really even being debated? (In Q&A?; but that's beside the point.)
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: markjo on May 01, 2014, 08:03:46 AM
So, it's agreed that the UA is a magnetic force?  Now we're making progress.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on May 01, 2014, 08:16:29 AM
markjo, you are aware that other forces exist besides magnetic forces, are you not? 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Goddamnit, Clown on May 01, 2014, 08:23:21 AM
Strong nuclear, weak nuclear and gravitational are three which spring to mind.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on May 01, 2014, 08:36:45 AM
Many scientists do not even consider gravity to be a force.  In fact, I think officially it is no longer considered a fundamental force, but I will need to verify that. 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Goddamnit, Clown on May 01, 2014, 09:15:08 AM
It's primarily a semantic difference, but all four are also referred to as interactions. Though that's a very fine hair to be splitting when you disagree with those same scientists about the shape of the world :D
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on May 01, 2014, 09:17:06 AM
In science, words have definite meanings and the semantics is not open for debate.  They don't want you to think, just memorize. 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Goddamnit, Clown on May 01, 2014, 09:27:05 AM
They? The global conspirators?
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on May 01, 2014, 09:28:09 AM
They--the people in control of you. 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: th3rm0m3t3r0 on May 01, 2014, 09:59:28 AM
So, it's agreed that the UA is a magnetic force?  Now we're making progress.
When did I say that? :l
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Goddamnit, Clown on May 01, 2014, 10:01:40 AM
Yeah, nothing hinders free thought like precise language.

Anyway, tell me about these people who control me.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: th3rm0m3t3r0 on May 01, 2014, 10:03:03 AM
Yeah, nothing hinders free thought like precise language.

Anyway, tell me about these people who control me.
I can tell you with almost 100% certainty that they are satanist globulites.
Not much more is known.
They pull the strings.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Goddamnit, Clown on May 01, 2014, 11:07:40 AM
I can tell you with almost 100% certainty that anyone is a "globulite". After all, the odds are a hundred million to one. Is that all?
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on May 01, 2014, 11:10:24 AM
The point is that only a fraction of a percent of those people who believe in globularism need to know the truth.  The rest are just sheep. 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on May 01, 2014, 11:42:19 AM
The point is that only a fraction of a percent of those people who believe in globularism need to know the truth.  The rest are just sheep.
True, and here they are, the bastards:

(http://sheepnomoreblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/sheeple-1b.jpg)
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on May 01, 2014, 11:51:09 AM
Thank you for your contribution, CrabbyJim.  You bring so much info to this society that we can not thank you enough. 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: sceptimatic on May 01, 2014, 12:15:04 PM
The point is that only a fraction of a percent of those people who believe in globularism need to know the truth.  The rest are just sheep.
True, and here they are, the bastards:

(http://sheepnomoreblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/sheeple-1b.jpg)
This is similar to what the astronauts wore on the moon set, minus the eye protection visor. The suits look like they're pressurised to 4 psi.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: sokarul on May 01, 2014, 02:50:37 PM
The point is that only a fraction of a percent of those people who believe in globularism need to know the truth.  The rest are just sheep.
True, and here they are, the bastards:

(http://sheepnomoreblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/sheeple-1b.jpg)
This is similar to what the astronauts wore on the moon set, minus the eye protection visor. The suits look like they're pressurised to 4 psi.

No, they aren't.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: markjo on May 01, 2014, 03:02:07 PM
markjo, you are aware that other forces exist besides magnetic forces, are you not?
Of course there are.  So why don't you tell me which of those other forces can both push and permeate the earth at the same time all while flowing around it and reforming to push and rotate the sun, moon and rest of the universe all in clockwork fashion?
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on May 01, 2014, 04:11:15 PM
UA. 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Starman on May 01, 2014, 05:09:14 PM
UA.
That is not force. By the way what type of force is pushing the FE?
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on May 01, 2014, 05:10:19 PM
UA.  I am not sure what you are confused about.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Starman on May 01, 2014, 05:18:45 PM
UA.  I am not sure what you are confused about.
What is the force or energy that is acceleration the flat earth. Don't be stupid.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on May 01, 2014, 05:20:41 PM
There are many mysteries on this world.  What causes the UA is one of them.  I can speculate on the subject, if you would like?
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Starman on May 01, 2014, 05:23:34 PM
There are many mysteries on this world.  What causes the UA is one of them.  I can speculate on the subject, if you would like?
I bet you could not come up with something reasonable to what it is.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on May 01, 2014, 05:25:52 PM
I bet I could.  I could come up with some bull crap like Big Bang or Dark Energy or something.  At least I had the decency to inform you that I was going to speculate, unlike your RE scientists. 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Starman on May 01, 2014, 05:32:17 PM
I bet I could.  I could come up with some bull crap like Big Bang or Dark Energy or something.  At least I had the decency to inform you that I was going to speculate, unlike your RE scientists.
Well do come up with something. Don't invent something by using buzz words that you know nothing about. It is a force that is pushing. It at least must make sense.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on May 01, 2014, 05:34:00 PM
Yeah, it is energy pushing against something.  What is hard to understand about that?
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Starman on May 01, 2014, 05:40:32 PM
Yeah, it is energy pushing against something.  What is hard to understand about that?
Yes but what is it? Nuclear? Magnetism? Magical force? alien?
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on May 01, 2014, 05:43:31 PM
Is it possible that it is a force that does not exist on the Earth?  It can not be recreated, only observed. 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Goddamnit, Clown on May 01, 2014, 05:56:20 PM
Other than things falling to the ground, how else is the UA observed?
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on May 01, 2014, 05:59:02 PM
We can observe the celestial objects. 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Starman on May 01, 2014, 06:05:28 PM
Is it possible that it is a force that does not exist on the Earth?  It can not be recreated, only observed.
I doubt it. There could be some unknown force or there could be are none. In the end it is your UA and there has to have some foundation for the theory. Like scepti once said: "I just need to prove one thing to be wrong to make it all wrong." There is a bit of logic to it but it works both ways. This UA force is by most part the key to the FET. If that force is not solid in the theory all the FET falls apart. A magical force theory simple is not good enough to convince anybody the earth is flat.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Starman on May 01, 2014, 06:06:46 PM
We can observe the celestial objects.
But you are telling us it reflections. Does that make sense?
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on May 01, 2014, 06:08:52 PM
Is it possible that it is a force that does not exist on the Earth?  It can not be recreated, only observed.
I doubt it. There could be some unknown force or there could be are none. In the end it is your UA and there has to have some foundation for the theory. Like scepti once said: "I just need to prove one thing to be wrong to make it all wrong." There is a bit of logic to it but it works both ways. This UA force is by most part the key to the FET. If that force is not solid in the theory all the FET falls apart. A magical force theory simple is not good enough to convince anybody the earth is flat.

Can you reproduce the Big Bang on Earth?  If no, then it must be wrong, correct? 

We can observe the celestial objects.
But you are telling us it reflections. Does that make sense?

For the last time, stop attributing anything, absolutely anything, that sceptimatic claims to me.  Just stop it already. 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: ocha on May 01, 2014, 06:15:44 PM
I bet I could.  I could come up with some bull crap like Big Bang or Dark Energy or something.  At least I had the decency to inform you that I was going to speculate, unlike your RE scientists.
No scientist has confirmed the Big Bang theory or the existance of dark energy. It is speculation, but unlike yours, it is based on certain evidence. You can't see dark energy, but you can see its effect. So scientists say there is a hypothetical form of energy called dark energy that causes that.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Starman on May 01, 2014, 06:15:53 PM
Is it possible that it is a force that does not exist on the Earth?  It can not be recreated, only observed.
I doubt it. There could be some unknown force or there could be are none. In the end it is your UA and there has to have some foundation for the theory. Like scepti once said: "I just need to prove one thing to be wrong to make it all wrong." There is a bit of logic to it but it works both ways. This UA force is by most part the key to the FET. If that force is not solid in the theory all the FET falls apart. A magical force theory simple is not good enough to convince anybody the earth is flat.

Can you reproduce the Big Bang on Earth?  If no, then it must be wrong, correct? 

We can observe the celestial objects.
But you are telling us it reflections. Does that make sense?

For the last time, stop attributing anything, absolutely anything, that sceptimatic claims to me.  Just stop it already.
It is not about what we can do on earth it is about the US of your FE. Don't divert the question.
Back to celestial bodies. Some have said that mars is a reflection from earth(not scepti). Tell me what and where is Mars?
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on May 01, 2014, 06:24:44 PM
scepti and crew have postulated that sun, moon, and other celestial objects are a reflection of the Earth or from some sort of natural laser.  I never said this.  Please don't put his theories into my mouth.

As far as Mars goes, it is likely some form of wandering phlogiston caught in the eddy of the UA as it passes by the Earth. 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Starman on May 01, 2014, 06:32:44 PM
scepti and crew have postulated that sun, moon, and other celestial objects are a reflection of the Earth or from some sort of natural laser.  I never said this.  Please don't put his theories into my mouth.

As far as Mars goes, it is likely some form of wandering phlogiston caught in the eddy of the UA as it passes by the Earth.
So why does it appear to be perfectly round and have ice caps not to mention it has a very predictable orbit?
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on May 01, 2014, 06:34:59 PM
The lenses on your scope are round giving it a round appearance.   ;D

Seriously, it is a burning ball of phlogiston.  That is why it appears round. 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Starman on May 01, 2014, 06:41:20 PM
The lenses on your scope are round giving it a round appearance.   ;D

Seriously, it is a burning ball of phlogiston.  That is why it appears round.
If I used a square lens would it be square. How far is it?
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on May 01, 2014, 06:44:04 PM
If your head was square, would it be more full of intelligence?  :)

Mars is likely around 100 miles or so higher than the sun and moon. 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Starman on May 01, 2014, 06:48:39 PM
If your head was square, would it be more full of intelligence?  :)

Mars is likely around 100 miles or so higher than the sun and moon.
Well that is a reasonable answer. Is that your opinion or the official version.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on May 01, 2014, 06:51:13 PM
That is my opinion.  There is no official version. 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Starman on May 01, 2014, 06:54:35 PM
That is my opinion.  There is no official version.
Is there going to be an official version. How can you accept a version of your world when it is not defined and everybody has their own version.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on May 01, 2014, 07:26:30 PM
How can you accept science when every scientist has his own version? 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Starman on May 01, 2014, 07:37:02 PM
How can you accept science when every scientist has his own version?
You can have scientist that may have theories but the real mission is to prove it. That may not be easy or possible but there is a point where other scientist will test his theory for it to be valid. For example Einstein predicted the faster you go toward the speed of light time will slow down. This was all done mathematically. It was not just a idea from a dream. It was proven to be true.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on May 01, 2014, 07:43:04 PM
Einstein never said that time slowed down locally.  It only appears to slow down for someone outside of your frame of reference. 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Starman on May 01, 2014, 07:52:01 PM
Einstein never said that time slowed down locally.  It only appears to slow down for someone outside of your frame of reference.
How close is locally?
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on May 01, 2014, 08:05:20 PM
Locally is the things that are moving with you. 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Starman on May 01, 2014, 08:08:21 PM
Locally is the things that are moving with you.
Got to go. I will show you how it was proven. later..
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: sokarul on May 01, 2014, 08:47:54 PM
Einstein never said that time slowed down locally.  It only appears to slow down for someone outside of your frame of reference.
It does slow down for the moving FOR, not just appear to slow down.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on September 26, 2017, 07:16:46 AM
Starman never proved me wrong.  :(
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: NAZA on September 26, 2017, 12:01:37 PM


If you had a cue stick that reached from the Earth to the RE moon and you were somehow able to push it, the rear part of the stick would move a couple of seconds before the tip end of the stick moves.
ROFLMAO!

I just have hear more about this concept.

Can you explain please?
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on September 26, 2017, 12:10:27 PM


If you had a cue stick that reached from the Earth to the RE moon and you were somehow able to push it, the rear part of the stick would move a couple of seconds before the tip end of the stick moves.
ROFLMAO!

I just have hear more about this concept.

Can you explain please?

Why are you calling Einstein and all of physics liars? 
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Curious Squirrel on September 26, 2017, 12:11:52 PM


If you had a cue stick that reached from the Earth to the RE moon and you were somehow able to push it, the rear part of the stick would move a couple of seconds before the tip end of the stick moves.
ROFLMAO!

I just have hear more about this concept.

Can you explain please?
What's to explain? This is exactly how it works under Relativity. Nothing can go faster than the speed of light, so technically if you were able to make a length of steel say from here to a point 1 light year away, any way you moved the rod here wouldn't be seen on the other end for a year as the change moved the length of the rod.

Either that or you just made something move faster than the speed of light and broke the universe as we know it in half. So take your pick.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: RocketSauce on September 26, 2017, 12:13:16 PM
That's just compression... But a cue stick would break under it's own weight... Duh...

Bad analogy...


Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Curious Squirrel on September 26, 2017, 12:15:03 PM
That's just compression... But a cue stick would break under it's own weight... Duh...

Bad analogy...
Yes the materials are unlikely to handle the strain, but that doesn't make the thought experiment less valid as far as it goes.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: RocketSauce on September 26, 2017, 12:18:14 PM


If you had a cue stick that reached from the Earth to the RE moon and you were somehow able to push it, the rear part of the stick would move a couple of seconds before the tip end of the stick moves.
ROFLMAO!

I just have hear more about this concept.

Can you explain please?
What's to explain? This is exactly how it works under Relativity. Nothing can go faster than the speed of light, so technically if you were able to make a length of steel say from here to a point 1 light year away, any way you moved the rod here wouldn't be seen on the other end for a year as the change moved the length of the rod.

Either that or you just made something move faster than the speed of light and broke the universe as we know it in half. So take your pick.

Give me your logic again... If I have a physical object that is 1 light year in length, and one end is moved, lets say 1 meter at 1 meter a second....

The electrons within would transfer the information and repel from each other at the speed of whatever, they would compress and then repel at the speed of whatever and the other end would eventually move... nothing faster than light.... If You had an electrically conductive material that was 1 light year long and you sent an electric current down it, that would move at the speed of light as well...


btw, nothing on this site has ever gotten me to "ROTFLMAO"

We are being a bit dramatic, aren't we?
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Copper Knickers on September 26, 2017, 12:20:37 PM


If you had a cue stick that reached from the Earth to the RE moon and you were somehow able to push it, the rear part of the stick would move a couple of seconds before the tip end of the stick moves.
ROFLMAO!

I just have hear more about this concept.

Can you explain please?

I think the 'push' would propagate at the speed of sound for whatever material the cue is made of. So for all materials known this would actually take a lot longer than a 'couple of seconds' to get to the moon.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: NAZA on September 26, 2017, 12:41:52 PM


If you had a cue stick that reached from the Earth to the RE moon and you were somehow able to push it, the rear part of the stick would move a couple of seconds before the tip end of the stick moves.
ROFLMAO!

I just have hear more about this concept.

Can you explain please?
What's to explain? This is exactly how it works under Relativity. Nothing can go faster than the speed of light, so technically if you were able to make a length of steel say from here to a point 1 light year away, any way you moved the rod here wouldn't be seen on the other end for a year as the change moved the length of the rod.

Either that or you just made something move faster than the speed of light and broke the universe as we know it in half. So take your pick.

Wouldn't be seen of course, but why would it not move instantly end to end?
You are moving it say 6" not the length +6"


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If you had a cue stick that reached from the Earth to the RE moon and you were somehow able to push it, the rear part of the stick would move a couple of seconds before the tip end of the stick moves.

Nothing about seeing it move. 
Just curious if jroa invented yet another magical force or just forgot to say see it move instead of it moves.

Interesting aspect that I've never cosidered.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Copper Knickers on September 26, 2017, 01:00:37 PM
If you had a cue stick that reached from the Earth to the RE moon and you were somehow able to push it, the rear part of the stick would move a couple of seconds before the tip end of the stick moves.
ROFLMAO!

I just have hear more about this concept.

Can you explain please?
What's to explain? This is exactly how it works under Relativity. Nothing can go faster than the speed of light, so technically if you were able to make a length of steel say from here to a point 1 light year away, any way you moved the rod here wouldn't be seen on the other end for a year as the change moved the length of the rod.

Either that or you just made something move faster than the speed of light and broke the universe as we know it in half. So take your pick.

Wouldn't be seen of course, but why would it not move instantly end to end?
You are moving it say 6" not the length +6"

Quote
If you had a cue stick that reached from the Earth to the RE moon and you were somehow able to push it, the rear part of the stick would move a couple of seconds before the tip end of the stick moves.

Nothing about seeing it move. 
Just curious if jroa invented yet another magical force or just forgot to say see it move instead of it moves.

Interesting aspect that I've never cosidered.

It's got nothing to do with being able to see it. The push would move at the speed of sound, not instantaneously. It would likely take several hours, depending on the material involved.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Curious Squirrel on September 26, 2017, 01:19:37 PM


If you had a cue stick that reached from the Earth to the RE moon and you were somehow able to push it, the rear part of the stick would move a couple of seconds before the tip end of the stick moves.
ROFLMAO!

I just have hear more about this concept.

Can you explain please?
What's to explain? This is exactly how it works under Relativity. Nothing can go faster than the speed of light, so technically if you were able to make a length of steel say from here to a point 1 light year away, any way you moved the rod here wouldn't be seen on the other end for a year as the change moved the length of the rod.

Either that or you just made something move faster than the speed of light and broke the universe as we know it in half. So take your pick.

Give me your logic again... If I have a physical object that is 1 light year in length, and one end is moved, lets say 1 meter at 1 meter a second....

The electrons within would transfer the information and repel from each other at the speed of whatever, they would compress and then repel at the speed of whatever and the other end would eventually move... nothing faster than light.... If You had an electrically conductive material that was 1 light year long and you sent an electric current down it, that would move at the speed of light as well...


btw, nothing on this site has ever gotten me to "ROTFLMAO"

We are being a bit dramatic, aren't we?
Welcome to relativity.
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/21122/if-i-move-a-long-solid-stick-can-i-send-message-fastest-than-light
https://www.spaceanswers.com/deep-space/whats-the-nearest-solar-system-to-our-own/
https://www.quora.com/If-you-pull-a-stick-that-is-2-light-years-long-would-the-other-end-move-at-the-exact-time-you-pulled-it
Few other areas involved in this, but Copper Knickers has the right end of it as well. It would likely propagate at the speed of sound within that material. Likely tearing the stick apart if made with just about anything we know of today that's rigid enough to call a 'stick' but that's why it's more of a mental exercise.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: rabinoz on September 26, 2017, 03:51:26 PM
If you had a cue stick that reached from the Earth to the RE moon and you were somehow able to push it, the rear part of the stick would move a couple of seconds before the tip end of the stick moves.
ROFLMAO!
I just have hear more about this concept.

Can you explain please?
Why are you calling Einstein and all of physics liars?
No, he is not! That would be you trashing science.

The velocity of propagation in your "cue stick" is the velocity of sound in that material.
A "cue stick" is usually made mainly from timber and the velocity of sound in timber varies from about 3360 m/s to 5450 m/s.

You make no mention of what sort of "cue stick", but they are usually made of a very hard timber,
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A typical two piece cue for pocket billiards is usually made mostly of hard or rock maple

A hand push is a very low frequency disturbance and all the data I can find is under musical instrument timbers, and the velocity of sound in rock maple is about 4200 m/s so let's use that.

It will be a far better estimate than you silly "couple of seconds".

The distance from the real earth to the real moon averages about 384,400 km so your push
will not take "a couple of seconds", but about 384,400,000/4200 =  about 91,524 secs  or about
1 day 1 hour and 24 min
.
So, jroa, apart from the absurdity of your analogy, care to revise your "couple of seconds".

But, even on your pizza planet we are told that the moon is about 3000 miles above the earth and  :D :D "Moon and Sun, which are constantly wobbling up and down and exchange altitudes"  :D :D (Whoever wrote that trash?).

So even to you moon the push would take about (depending on :D where in the wobble :D it is) 4,828,000/4200 =  about 1150 secs  or about 19 min.

Do you enjoy looking foolish, or are you paid to play the idiot? - sort of comic relief act. - maybe it's those potassium tablets?

Seriously, why you don't make some constructive posts sometime, instead of continually playing the smart Aleck?
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: NAZA on September 26, 2017, 05:12:16 PM


If you had a cue stick that reached from the Earth to the RE moon and you were somehow able to push it, the rear part of the stick would move a couple of seconds before the tip end of the stick moves.
ROFLMAO!

I just have hear more about this concept.

Can you explain please?
What's to explain? This is exactly how it works under Relativity. Nothing can go faster than the speed of light, so technically if you were able to make a length of steel say from here to a point 1 light year away, any way you moved the rod here wouldn't be seen on the other end for a year as the change moved the length of the rod.

Either that or you just made something move faster than the speed of light and broke the universe as we know it in half. So take your pick.

Give me your logic again... If I have a physical object that is 1 light year in length, and one end is moved, lets say 1 meter at 1 meter a second....

The electrons within would transfer the information and repel from each other at the speed of whatever, they would compress and then repel at the speed of whatever and the other end would eventually move... nothing faster than light.... If You had an electrically conductive material that was 1 light year long and you sent an electric current down it, that would move at the speed of light as well...


btw, nothing on this site has ever gotten me to "ROTFLMAO"

We are being a bit dramatic, aren't we?
Welcome to relativity.
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/21122/if-i-move-a-long-solid-stick-can-i-send-message-fastest-than-light
https://www.spaceanswers.com/deep-space/whats-the-nearest-solar-system-to-our-own/
https://www.quora.com/If-you-pull-a-stick-that-is-2-light-years-long-would-the-other-end-move-at-the-exact-time-you-pulled-it
Few other areas involved in this, but Copper Knickers has the right end of it as well. It would likely propagate at the speed of sound within that material. Likely tearing the stick apart if made with just about anything we know of today that's rigid enough to call a 'stick' but that's why it's more of a mental exercise.
Thanks for the link, I may have a new favorite Relativity thought experiment.   Akin to the "if the sun disappears would the planets orbit change instantly " one but even more unintuitive if that's possible.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: simba on September 27, 2017, 04:48:30 AM
So, yeah, back to the topic. Gravimeters, how do they work in the FE with UA?
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: rabinoz on September 27, 2017, 03:07:17 PM
So, yeah, back to the topic. Gravimeters, how do they work in the FE with UA?
I have yet to see any answers the make any sense at all of the variation of gravity with latitude, altitude or east-west motion.
Flat Earthers should look at:
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Flat Earth vs Globe - Does weight change with Latitude? Is this evidence the Earth is spinning?
and
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Flat Earth vs Globe - The Eötvös effect observed in aircraft - how does it affect
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: RocketSauce on September 28, 2017, 11:18:44 AM


If you had a cue stick that reached from the Earth to the RE moon and you were somehow able to push it, the rear part of the stick would move a couple of seconds before the tip end of the stick moves.
ROFLMAO!

I just have hear more about this concept.

Can you explain please?

I think the 'push' would propagate at the speed of sound for whatever material the cue is made of. So for all materials known this would actually take a lot longer than a 'couple of seconds' to get to the moon.



speed of sound?

Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: markjo on September 28, 2017, 11:44:34 AM


If you had a cue stick that reached from the Earth to the RE moon and you were somehow able to push it, the rear part of the stick would move a couple of seconds before the tip end of the stick moves.
ROFLMAO!

I just have hear more about this concept.

Can you explain please?

I think the 'push' would propagate at the speed of sound for whatever material the cue is made of. So for all materials known this would actually take a lot longer than a 'couple of seconds' to get to the moon.



speed of sound?
You do understand that sound is a mechanical pressure wave propagating through a medium, don't you?
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Copper Knickers on September 28, 2017, 11:46:46 AM
If you had a cue stick that reached from the Earth to the RE moon and you were somehow able to push it, the rear part of the stick would move a couple of seconds before the tip end of the stick moves.
ROFLMAO!

I just have hear more about this concept.

Can you explain please?

I think the 'push' would propagate at the speed of sound for whatever material the cue is made of. So for all materials known this would actually take a lot longer than a 'couple of seconds' to get to the moon.


speed of sound?

Yes, speed of sound. It would propagate via a compression wave, surely? And that would travel at the speed of sound for the material.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: RocketSauce on September 28, 2017, 12:54:18 PM
I'm sure we are just communicating differently, so are saying that a material if pushed from the back....... cannot be accelerated faster than the speed of sound?



For instance.... Instead of a 1 light year long object, lets go down to.... A cast Iron Rod, 3 feet long 1 inch in diameter... you pick the shape...


If I apply an accelerator to the rear of the Iron Rod that is greater than the speed of sound.... The opposite end of this cast Iron Rod.... does what again?

Because I immediately think of ballistics... That goes from 0 to fast as hell and the ballistic doesn't loose shape due to being shot...
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Curious Squirrel on September 28, 2017, 01:09:19 PM
I'm sure we are just communicating differently, so are saying that a material if pushed from the back....... cannot be accelerated faster than the speed of sound?



For instance.... Instead of a 1 light year long object, lets go down to.... A cast Iron Rod, 3 feet long 1 inch in diameter... you pick the shape...


If I apply an accelerator to the rear of the Iron Rod that is greater than the speed of sound.... The opposite end of this cast Iron Rod.... does what again?

Because I immediately think of ballistics... That goes from 0 to fast as hell and the ballistic doesn't loose shape due to being shot...
Important piece: The speed of sound varies depending upon the medium.

The ballistic definitely loses shape some due to being shot *but* it's rigidness and small size prevent it from being deformed due to this. Again, we're talking about relativity here, things get weird, especially because we're dealing with very large objects.

Technically that three foot rod? When you pushed the bottom it took a small amount of time before the top moved. This time would be equal to however long it would take sound to travel that distance within that rod. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_sound#Speed_of_sound_in_solids
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: RocketSauce on September 28, 2017, 01:19:23 PM
you could be right....


...I'm honestly not going to research it... I'm spent for today... maybe tomorrow i'll hate myself less and get back on here.
Title: Re: How do gravimeters work in the Flat Earth?
Post by: Copper Knickers on September 30, 2017, 12:18:57 AM
I'm sure we are just communicating differently, so are saying that a material if pushed from the back....... cannot be accelerated faster than the speed of sound?

For instance.... Instead of a 1 light year long object, lets go down to.... A cast Iron Rod, 3 feet long 1 inch in diameter... you pick the shape...

If I apply an accelerator to the rear of the Iron Rod that is greater than the speed of sound.... The opposite end of this cast Iron Rod.... does what again?

Because I immediately think of ballistics... That goes from 0 to fast as hell and the ballistic doesn't loose shape due to being shot...

You raise some interesting points. The speed of sound limits how soon the far end of an object starts moving when the other end receives a force. This doesn't mean that objects can't be accelerated to high speeds but it does seem to limit how much sustained acceleration an object can take before distortion breaks it up.

Taking your 3 ft iron rod as an example, the speed of sound in iron is about 15000 ft/s, so if a force is applied to one end the other end will start to move after 3/15000 = 0.0002 seconds. If we apply an acceleration of say 100 ft/s 2 (about 3g) to one end, then after 0.0002 seconds that end will have moved only 0.000002 ft (using s = 0.5at2) so the rod will be that amount shorter. However, if the acceleration is maintained, then the rod will continue to get shorter because one end has a 'head start' and so is always moving faster. My rough calculations suggest that after only a minute of this acceleration the rod would already be several inches shorter. This seems quite extreme to me. There may be other factors at play.
 
If we consider a bullet an inch long, say, then the front will start moving about 0.000006 seconds after the back. Assuming acceleration in a rifle of 106 ft/s2 for 2 milliseconds then the bullet will be about a tenth shorter when it leaves the barrel. This seems reasonable. Again, these are rough calculations. Others' are welcome.