When will RE Community Accept Defeat?

Quote from: Gumwars on September 06, 2019, 08:30:13 PM

Quote from: Plat Terra on September 06, 2019, 08:13:32 PM

Quote from: Yes on September 06, 2019, 07:25:31 PM

Quote from: Themightykabool on September 06, 2019, 05:14:17 PM

What else you need?

Just another empty assertion that "the curvature has never been measured!" followed by fingers in his ears.

If curvature has been measured as you state, where is the documentation proving it relates to Eratosthenes experiment?  OPPS, another problem for the Globe community. You guys just can’t win.

 If curvature existed, curvature charts would have been established long ago. We have charts for everything else right?

You have some serious holes in your logic here Plat.  Here's the problem you have; this is non-Euclidean geometry we're talking about.  You keep conflating a "flat" surface and a spherical one.  As far as Eratosthenes, that experiment has been reproduced, successfully, in modern times.  You can find a link to that research paper here:

You don't understand. Eratosthenes experiment does not prove Earth is a sphere. It only proves if Earth is a sphere, then it would have a 3959 miles radius. But they never established curvature charts to prove Earth does have curvature as Eratosthenes calculated.  So in other words, it was never verified then (people followed blindly) nor today. OOPS, another ass bite.

Correct - at era's time, they knew the wrold wqs a ball.
And amazingly to the time his number is very close to what we have today using satelites and land surveys and all that data.

What
Else
Do
You
Want?

You want a chart showing curvature?


https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earth-is-not-round/

Isaac Newton first proposed that Earth was... Instead... an oblate spheroid... squashed at its poles and swollen at the equator... roughly 21 kilometers (13 miles) greater at the equator than at the poles.
[~0.3% radius]

deformations of the crust "on the order of a centimeter or so
[How significant is this?]





So What are you on about?

OOPS, you don’t know about divergent Sun rays. It’s still inconclusive and the reason why you need established curvature charts to prove the masses didn’t follow Eratosthenes like blind sheep.

Your "divergent Sun rays" hogwash doesn't convince anybody!
We know by simple observation that the sun is so far away that that the Sun's rays do not diverge enough to matter.

But even your "flat earth"/"divergent Sun rays" won't get you out of your mess anyway!
Once you measure sun angles from more than two places your "flat earth"/"divergent Sun rays" falls apart like a house of cards!

This is the sort of thing you end up with:

Sun Height on Flat Earth along 70°W Long

Sun Height on Globe Earth along 70°W Long

The lines at the measured angles do not meet at a single point near the earth on a flat surface.
But on the Globe they are very near parallel as they would be for a very distant sun.

OOPS, you don’t know about divergent Sun rays. It’s still inconclusive and the reason why you need established curvature charts to prove the masses didn’t follow Eratosthenes like blind sheep.

Are you being deliberately dense, or just dishonest?  Let's reverse engineer this problem:

You contend that the magical 3959 mile radii of the spherical Earth is not a number that makes any particular sense, or at least, hasn't been verified.  Here is your biggest F-up to date Plat Terra.  You do realize that the 3959 mile radius gives us a circumference of 24875 miles; which we can then divide by 360 - this translates to 69.1 miles per degree of arc.  This is, not coincidentally where each latitudinal divisor is drawn; at 69.1 mile increments.  That means, the geographic coordinate system of latitude and longitude is based on Eratosthenes experiment, or more specifically, the results of that experiment.

So, Plat Terra, are you willing to proclaim that one of the modern methods of global navigation is garbage?  That it is based on some unverified conjecture?  It would appear to me that the experiment was/is valid, that it proves conclusively the shape of the world, and that its findings have been used for some time in a host of functions that, if incorrect, would not work the way they do in the real world.

You have proven, yet again, that your ignorance knows no limits.

Quote from: Plat Terra on September 06, 2019, 08:50:02 PM

Quote from: Gumwars on September 06, 2019, 08:30:13 PM

Quote from: Plat Terra on September 06, 2019, 08:13:32 PM

Quote from: Yes on September 06, 2019, 07:25:31 PM

Quote from: Themightykabool on September 06, 2019, 05:14:17 PM

What else you need?

Just another empty assertion that "the curvature has never been measured!" followed by fingers in his ears.

If curvature has been measured as you state, where is the documentation proving it relates to Eratosthenes experiment?  OPPS, another problem for the Globe community. You guys just can’t win.

 If curvature existed, curvature charts would have been established long ago. We have charts for everything else right?

You have some serious holes in your logic here Plat.  Here's the problem you have; this is non-Euclidean geometry we're talking about.  You keep conflating a "flat" surface and a spherical one.  As far as Eratosthenes, that experiment has been reproduced, successfully, in modern times.  You can find a link to that research paper here:

You don't understand. Eratosthenes experiment does not prove Earth is a sphere. It only proves if Earth is a sphere, then it would have a 3959 miles radius. But they never established curvature charts to prove Earth does have curvature as Eratosthenes calculated.  So in other words, it was never verified then (people followed blindly) nor today. OOPS, another ass bite.

Did you read the paper?  If you had, you would have copped to the fact that it verifies the CIRCUMFERENCE of the planet; i.e., confirms the curvature of the surface. So, OOOPS, looks like you goofed, AGAIN.

You do realize that the significance of Eratosthenes experiment is that the angles the light produce in the well shaft CAN ONLY HAPPEN IF THE WORLD ISN'T FLAT.

"Oops" nothing.
His experiment finds out how big the ball is and is not a stand alone proof - as told to you many timed already.
But do go on

WARNING Did you know...

...how easy it would be for any mathematician to take a stationary Plane Earth’s circling celestial bodies and change the distance and size, placing them far away through scale invariance and claim the Earth spins and is orbiting a stationary Sun? They could even fake the seasonal path of the Sun by giving the Earth a stationary tilt. They could easily establish a Heliocentric theory through pseudoscience and claim Earth a sphere and is not of intelligent design.

And did you know, no one could tell the difference unless they understood their surroundings through observation? All you need is deceptive Astronomers, Scientists and Governments. That's right, and that’s exactly what as happened through the centuries and the hoax continues through fake media, fake news, entertainment, TV and fake space programs and propaganda.

If lies are propagandize long enough, the masses will also come to believe in more than two genders through pseudoscience.

WARNING Did you know...

...how easy it would be for any mathematician to take a stationary Plane Earth’s circling celestial bodies and change the distance and size, placing them far away through scale invariance and claim the Earth spins and is orbiting a stationary Sun? They could even fake the seasonal path of the Sun by giving the Earth a stationary tilt. They could easily establish a Heliocentric theory through pseudoscience and claim Earth a sphere and is not of intelligent design.

And did you know, no one could tell the difference unless they understood their surroundings through observation? All you need is deceptive Astronomers, Scientists and Governments. That's right, and that’s exactly what as happened through the centuries and the hoax continues through fake media, fake news, entertainment, TV and fake space programs and propaganda.

If lies are propagandize long enough, the masses will also come to believe in more than two genders through pseudoscience.

And there you go again ignoring and avoiding points you can't refute.

Are you done yet, or do you have any more irrelevant crap to bring up?  All baseless garbage, conjecture, and conspiritard nonsense.

"Nah-uh" is hardly "destroyed".

Yet "Nah-uh" is all you seem to have.

I have already pointed out the dishonesty of your wiki.
If you want to try supporting your claims with sources, don't bother with your wiki of lies.

If curvature existed, curvature charts would have been established long ago. We have charts for everything else right?

Why?
That only makes sense if the curvature varied dramatically. It doesn't.
You don't need a chart to chart out something that is fairly constant.

Not establishing a chart doesn't mean curvature wasn't verified.

And no, Eratosthenes experiment doesn't rely upon Earth being a sphere. It relies upon the sun being very far away, which it is.

And no, the expanded version of Eratosthenes experiment which uses far more locations, does not work in your flat fantasy.
We have been over this quite a while ago.

...how easy it would be for any mathematician to take a stationary Plane Earth’s circling celestial bodies and change the distance and size, placing them far away through scale invariance and claim the Earth spins and is orbiting a stationary Sun?

It would be quite difficult as the models are vastly different.
How would they be able to explain why we could still see the sun at night when Earth should be getting in the way?
What is quite easy is for dishonest FEers to take the RE model, flatten it, and lie through their teeth to pretend Earth is flat while ignoring all the problems with their FE model.

Do you notice how a RE can actually explain the apparent position of the sun and moon and other celestial objects while FE appeals to their ignorance to claim they just don't know.

The RE model actually works to describe and predict reality, making it useful.
The numerous FE models don't work at all as they cannot describe reality or predict anything. They are useless, almost certainly because Earth isn't flat.

WARNING Did you know...

...how easy it would be for any mathematician to take a stationary Plane Earth’s circling celestial bodies and change the distance and size, placing them far away through scale invariance and claim the Earth spins and is orbiting a stationary Sun? They could even fake the seasonal path of the Sun by giving the Earth a stationary tilt. They could easily establish a Heliocentric theory through pseudoscience and claim Earth a sphere and is not of intelligent design.

And did you know, no one could tell the difference unless they understood their surroundings through observation? All you need is deceptive Astronomers, Scientists and Governments. That's right, and that’s exactly what as happened through the centuries and the hoax continues through fake media, fake news, entertainment, TV and fake space programs and propaganda.

If lies are propagandize long enough, the masses will also come to believe in more than two genders through pseudoscience.

So all these debates you've lost over 50+ pages are all in service to your real message about your distaste for what, "gender flexibility"?

WARNING Did you know...

...how easy it would be for any mathematician to take a stationary Plane Earth’s circling celestial bodies and change the distance and size, placing them far away through scale invariance and claim the Earth spins and is orbiting a stationary Sun? They could even fake the seasonal path of the Sun by giving the Earth a stationary tilt. They could easily establish a Heliocentric theory through pseudoscience and claim Earth a sphere and is not of intelligent design.

And did you know, no one could tell the difference unless they understood their surroundings through observation? All you need is deceptive Astronomers, Scientists and Governments. That's right, and that’s exactly what as happened through the centuries and the hoax continues through fake media, fake news, entertainment, TV and fake space programs and propaganda.

If lies are propagandize long enough, the masses will also come to believe in more than two genders through pseudoscience.

So, if you repeat the "Earth is Flat" long enough, you think people would start believing it?

Unfortunately, it was done before, but not all people fell for that.
Also, it was told for centuries that the Earth was static sphere, and it still didn't work.

There are people who observe and measure on their own, and they discovered that
no indoctrination can flatten the Earth and pin it into static position.

Alpha Centauri is 4.37 light years away.
What orbital speed should it have to revolve the Earth once in 24 hours?
1.23 light years per hour?

What about Andromeda Galaxy at 2.5 million light years from here?

Quote from: Plat Terra on September 06, 2019, 10:13:52 PM

WARNING Did you know...

...how easy it would be for any mathematician to take a stationary Plane Earth’s circling celestial bodies and change the distance and size, placing them far away through scale invariance and claim the Earth spins and is orbiting a stationary Sun? They could even fake the seasonal path of the Sun by giving the Earth a stationary tilt. They could easily establish a Heliocentric theory through pseudoscience and claim Earth a sphere and is not of intelligent design.

And did you know, no one could tell the difference unless they understood their surroundings through observation? All you need is deceptive Astronomers, Scientists and Governments. That's right, and that’s exactly what as happened through the centuries and the hoax continues through fake media, fake news, entertainment, TV and fake space programs and propaganda.

If lies are propagandize long enough, the masses will also come to believe in more than two genders through pseudoscience.

So, if you repeat the "Earth is Flat" long enough, you think people would start believing it?

Unfortunately, it was done before, but not all people fell for that.
Also, it was told for centuries that the Earth was static sphere, and it still didn't work.

There are people who observe and measure on their own, and they discovered that
no indoctrination can flatten the Earth and pin it into static position.

Alpha Centauri is 4.37 light years away.
What orbital speed should it have to revolve the Earth once in 24 hours?
1.23 light years per hour?

What about Andromeda Galaxy at 2.5 million light years from here?

You have watched too much Star Trek.

How often do you view Andromeda Galaxy?

Can you always see it?

Quote from: Macarios on September 06, 2019, 11:05:34 PM

Quote from: Plat Terra on September 06, 2019, 10:13:52 PM

WARNING Did you know...

...how easy it would be for any mathematician to take a stationary Plane Earth’s circling celestial bodies and change the distance and size, placing them far away through scale invariance and claim the Earth spins and is orbiting a stationary Sun? They could even fake the seasonal path of the Sun by giving the Earth a stationary tilt. They could easily establish a Heliocentric theory through pseudoscience and claim Earth a sphere and is not of intelligent design.

And did you know, no one could tell the difference unless they understood their surroundings through observation? All you need is deceptive Astronomers, Scientists and Governments. That's right, and that’s exactly what as happened through the centuries and the hoax continues through fake media, fake news, entertainment, TV and fake space programs and propaganda.

If lies are propagandize long enough, the masses will also come to believe in more than two genders through pseudoscience.

So, if you repeat the "Earth is Flat" long enough, you think people would start believing it?

Unfortunately, it was done before, but not all people fell for that.
Also, it was told for centuries that the Earth was static sphere, and it still didn't work.

There are people who observe and measure on their own, and they discovered that
no indoctrination can flatten the Earth and pin it into static position.

Alpha Centauri is 4.37 light years away.
What orbital speed should it have to revolve the Earth once in 24 hours?
1.23 light years per hour?

What about Andromeda Galaxy at 2.5 million light years from here?

You have watched too much Star Trek.

How often do you view Andromeda Galaxy?

Can you always see it?

Why don't you do a little research on your own and look it up?

Plat tera, are you a female?

Quote from: Plat Terra on September 06, 2019, 11:10:37 PM

Quote from: Macarios on September 06, 2019, 11:05:34 PM

Quote from: Plat Terra on September 06, 2019, 10:13:52 PM

WARNING Did you know...

...how easy it would be for any mathematician to take a stationary Plane Earth’s circling celestial bodies and change the distance and size, placing them far away through scale invariance and claim the Earth spins and is orbiting a stationary Sun? They could even fake the seasonal path of the Sun by giving the Earth a stationary tilt. They could easily establish a Heliocentric theory through pseudoscience and claim Earth a sphere and is not of intelligent design.

And did you know, no one could tell the difference unless they understood their surroundings through observation? All you need is deceptive Astronomers, Scientists and Governments. That's right, and that’s exactly what as happened through the centuries and the hoax continues through fake media, fake news, entertainment, TV and fake space programs and propaganda.

If lies are propagandize long enough, the masses will also come to believe in more than two genders through pseudoscience.

So, if you repeat the "Earth is Flat" long enough, you think people would start believing it?

Unfortunately, it was done before, but not all people fell for that.
Also, it was told for centuries that the Earth was static sphere, and it still didn't work.

There are people who observe and measure on their own, and they discovered that
no indoctrination can flatten the Earth and pin it into static position.

Alpha Centauri is 4.37 light years away.
What orbital speed should it have to revolve the Earth once in 24 hours?
1.23 light years per hour?

What about Andromeda Galaxy at 2.5 million light years from here?

You have watched too much Star Trek.

How often do you view Andromeda Galaxy?

Can you always see it?

Why don't you do a little research on your own and look it up?

I don't believe in your fantasy. I believe in common sense.

Quote from: Stash on September 06, 2019, 11:30:40 PM

Quote from: Plat Terra on September 06, 2019, 11:10:37 PM

Quote from: Macarios on September 06, 2019, 11:05:34 PM

Quote from: Plat Terra on September 06, 2019, 10:13:52 PM

WARNING Did you know...

...how easy it would be for any mathematician to take a stationary Plane Earth’s circling celestial bodies and change the distance and size, placing them far away through scale invariance and claim the Earth spins and is orbiting a stationary Sun? They could even fake the seasonal path of the Sun by giving the Earth a stationary tilt. They could easily establish a Heliocentric theory through pseudoscience and claim Earth a sphere and is not of intelligent design.

And did you know, no one could tell the difference unless they understood their surroundings through observation? All you need is deceptive Astronomers, Scientists and Governments. That's right, and that’s exactly what as happened through the centuries and the hoax continues through fake media, fake news, entertainment, TV and fake space programs and propaganda.

If lies are propagandize long enough, the masses will also come to believe in more than two genders through pseudoscience.

So, if you repeat the "Earth is Flat" long enough, you think people would start believing it?

Unfortunately, it was done before, but not all people fell for that.
Also, it was told for centuries that the Earth was static sphere, and it still didn't work.

There are people who observe and measure on their own, and they discovered that
no indoctrination can flatten the Earth and pin it into static position.

Alpha Centauri is 4.37 light years away.
What orbital speed should it have to revolve the Earth once in 24 hours?
1.23 light years per hour?

What about Andromeda Galaxy at 2.5 million light years from here?

You have watched too much Star Trek.

How often do you view Andromeda Galaxy?

Can you always see it?

Why don't you do a little research on your own and look it up?

I don't believe in your fantasy. I believe in common sense.

Right, great. So use your common sense and do a little research for a change rather than asking everyone else for info then stomping away and hiding behind another meme when you don't like the answer and have lost the debate.

Quote from: Plat Terra on September 06, 2019, 11:34:57 PM

Quote from: Stash on September 06, 2019, 11:30:40 PM

Quote from: Plat Terra on September 06, 2019, 11:10:37 PM

Quote from: Macarios on September 06, 2019, 11:05:34 PM

Quote from: Plat Terra on September 06, 2019, 10:13:52 PM

WARNING Did you know...

...how easy it would be for any mathematician to take a stationary Plane Earth’s circling celestial bodies and change the distance and size, placing them far away through scale invariance and claim the Earth spins and is orbiting a stationary Sun? They could even fake the seasonal path of the Sun by giving the Earth a stationary tilt. They could easily establish a Heliocentric theory through pseudoscience and claim Earth a sphere and is not of intelligent design.

And did you know, no one could tell the difference unless they understood their surroundings through observation? All you need is deceptive Astronomers, Scientists and Governments. That's right, and that’s exactly what as happened through the centuries and the hoax continues through fake media, fake news, entertainment, TV and fake space programs and propaganda.

If lies are propagandize long enough, the masses will also come to believe in more than two genders through pseudoscience.

So, if you repeat the "Earth is Flat" long enough, you think people would start believing it?

Unfortunately, it was done before, but not all people fell for that.
Also, it was told for centuries that the Earth was static sphere, and it still didn't work.

There are people who observe and measure on their own, and they discovered that
no indoctrination can flatten the Earth and pin it into static position.

Alpha Centauri is 4.37 light years away.
What orbital speed should it have to revolve the Earth once in 24 hours?
1.23 light years per hour?

What about Andromeda Galaxy at 2.5 million light years from here?

You have watched too much Star Trek.

How often do you view Andromeda Galaxy?

Can you always see it?

Why don't you do a little research on your own and look it up?

I don't believe in your fantasy. I believe in common sense.

Right, great. So use your common sense and do a little research for a change rather than asking everyone else for info then stomping away and hiding behind another meme when you don't like the answer and have lost the debate.

You sure do have an imagination.

WARNING Did you know...

...how easy it would be for any mathematician to take a stationary Plane Earth’s circling celestial bodies and change the distance and size, placing them far away through scale invariance and claim the Earth spins and is orbiting a stationary Sun? They could even fake the seasonal path of the Sun by giving the Earth a stationary tilt. They could easily establish a Heliocentric theory through pseudoscience and claim Earth a sphere and is not of intelligent design.

I don't need any mathematician!
I can see what the sun and moon do and a few photos are enough to prove the they must be at least hundreds of thousands of kilometres away!
The sun size does not change from high in the sky till is has almost set! So it has to be far away!

Quote from: Stash on September 06, 2019, 11:42:15 PM

Right, great. So use your common sense and do a little research for a change rather than asking everyone else for info then stomping away and hiding behind another meme when you don't like the answer and have lost the debate.

You sure do have an imagination.

No, that's U!

Quote from: Stash on September 06, 2019, 11:42:15 PM

Quote from: Plat Terra on September 06, 2019, 11:34:57 PM

Quote from: Stash on September 06, 2019, 11:30:40 PM

Quote from: Plat Terra on September 06, 2019, 11:10:37 PM

Quote from: Macarios on September 06, 2019, 11:05:34 PM

Quote from: Plat Terra on September 06, 2019, 10:13:52 PM

WARNING Did you know...

...how easy it would be for any mathematician to take a stationary Plane Earth’s circling celestial bodies and change the distance and size, placing them far away through scale invariance and claim the Earth spins and is orbiting a stationary Sun? They could even fake the seasonal path of the Sun by giving the Earth a stationary tilt. They could easily establish a Heliocentric theory through pseudoscience and claim Earth a sphere and is not of intelligent design.

And did you know, no one could tell the difference unless they understood their surroundings through observation? All you need is deceptive Astronomers, Scientists and Governments. That's right, and that’s exactly what as happened through the centuries and the hoax continues through fake media, fake news, entertainment, TV and fake space programs and propaganda.

If lies are propagandize long enough, the masses will also come to believe in more than two genders through pseudoscience.

So, if you repeat the "Earth is Flat" long enough, you think people would start believing it?

Unfortunately, it was done before, but not all people fell for that.
Also, it was told for centuries that the Earth was static sphere, and it still didn't work.

There are people who observe and measure on their own, and they discovered that
no indoctrination can flatten the Earth and pin it into static position.

Alpha Centauri is 4.37 light years away.
What orbital speed should it have to revolve the Earth once in 24 hours?
1.23 light years per hour?

What about Andromeda Galaxy at 2.5 million light years from here?

You have watched too much Star Trek.

How often do you view Andromeda Galaxy?

Can you always see it?

Why don't you do a little research on your own and look it up?

I don't believe in your fantasy. I believe in common sense.

Right, great. So use your common sense and do a little research for a change rather than asking everyone else for info then stomping away and hiding behind another meme when you don't like the answer and have lost the debate.

You sure do have an imagination.

I think 58 pages of everyone of your notions/assertions being beaten about the head and face and you running away from every debate when you can't answer a question is not imagination.

Quote from: Plat Terra on September 06, 2019, 10:13:52 PM

WARNING Did you know...

...how easy it would be for any mathematician to take a stationary Plane Earth’s circling celestial bodies and change the distance and size, placing them far away through scale invariance and claim the Earth spins and is orbiting a stationary Sun? They could even fake the seasonal path of the Sun by giving the Earth a stationary tilt. They could easily establish a Heliocentric theory through pseudoscience and claim Earth a sphere and is not of intelligent design.

I don't need any mathematician!
I can see what the sun and moon do and a few photos are enough to prove the they must be at least hundreds of thousands of kilometres away!
The sun size does not change from high in the sky till is has almost set! So it has to be far away!

You have a lot to learn. The Sun is not sinking below the land from your view. It’s passing over the atmosphere horizon under normal conditions. That line you see is not land but it’s aerial line being crossed horizontally (from your point of view) by the Sun from bottom up some 12 miles above the surface.  As the sun gets farther away, you are  viewing it through more atmosphere and it gets dimmer as above. Then crosses over the line. You need to relearn what you see with science.

Quote from: rabinoz on September 06, 2019, 11:59:00 PM

Quote from: Plat Terra on September 06, 2019, 10:13:52 PM

WARNING Did you know...

...how easy it would be for any mathematician to take a stationary Plane Earth’s circling celestial bodies and change the distance and size, placing them far away through scale invariance and claim the Earth spins and is orbiting a stationary Sun? They could even fake the seasonal path of the Sun by giving the Earth a stationary tilt. They could easily establish a Heliocentric theory through pseudoscience and claim Earth a sphere and is not of intelligent design.

I don't need any mathematician!
I can see what the sun and moon do and a few photos are enough to prove the they must be at least hundreds of thousands of kilometres away!
The sun size does not change from high in the sky till is has almost set! So it has to be far away!

You have a lot to learn. The Sun is not sinking below the land from your view. It’s passing over the atmosphere horizon under normal conditions. That line you see is not land but it’s aerial line being crossed horizontally (from your point of view) by the Sun from bottom up some 12 miles above the surface.  You need to relearn what you see with science.

Ok, you've said a lot of crazy uneducated stuff, but you're breaking new ground here by completely making this up. "That line you see is not land but it’s aerial line being crossed horizontally (from your point of view) by the Sun from bottom up some 12 miles above the surface."

I'll play nice. Where did you get 12 miles from?

Quote from: Plat Terra on September 07, 2019, 12:27:27 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on September 06, 2019, 11:59:00 PM

Quote from: Plat Terra on September 06, 2019, 10:13:52 PM

WARNING Did you know...

...how easy it would be for any mathematician to take a stationary Plane Earth’s circling celestial bodies and change the distance and size, placing them far away through scale invariance and claim the Earth spins and is orbiting a stationary Sun? They could even fake the seasonal path of the Sun by giving the Earth a stationary tilt. They could easily establish a Heliocentric theory through pseudoscience and claim Earth a sphere and is not of intelligent design.

I don't need any mathematician!
I can see what the sun and moon do and a few photos are enough to prove the they must be at least hundreds of thousands of kilometres away!
The sun size does not change from high in the sky till is has almost set! So it has to be far away!

You have a lot to learn. The Sun is not sinking below the land from your view. It’s passing over the atmosphere horizon under normal conditions. That line you see is not land but it’s aerial line being crossed horizontally (from your point of view) by the Sun from bottom up some 12 miles above the surface.  You need to relearn what you see with science.

Ok, you've said a lot of crazy uneducated stuff, but you're breaking new ground here by completely making this up. "That line you see is not land but it’s aerial line being crossed horizontally (from your point of view) by the Sun from bottom up some 12 miles above the surface."

I'll play nice. Where did you get 12 miles from?

 troposphere

Known as the lower atmosphere almost all weather occurs in this region. The troposphere begins at the Earth's surface and extends from 4 to 12 miles (6 to 20 km) high. The height of the troposphere varies from the equator to the poles.

Quote from: Stash on September 07, 2019, 12:35:02 AM

Quote from: Plat Terra on September 07, 2019, 12:27:27 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on September 06, 2019, 11:59:00 PM

Quote from: Plat Terra on September 06, 2019, 10:13:52 PM

WARNING Did you know...

...how easy it would be for any mathematician to take a stationary Plane Earth’s circling celestial bodies and change the distance and size, placing them far away through scale invariance and claim the Earth spins and is orbiting a stationary Sun? They could even fake the seasonal path of the Sun by giving the Earth a stationary tilt. They could easily establish a Heliocentric theory through pseudoscience and claim Earth a sphere and is not of intelligent design.

I don't need any mathematician!
I can see what the sun and moon do and a few photos are enough to prove the they must be at least hundreds of thousands of kilometres away!
The sun size does not change from high in the sky till is has almost set! So it has to be far away!

You have a lot to learn. The Sun is not sinking below the land from your view. It’s passing over the atmosphere horizon under normal conditions. That line you see is not land but it’s aerial line being crossed horizontally (from your point of view) by the Sun from bottom up some 12 miles above the surface.  You need to relearn what you see with science.

Ok, you've said a lot of crazy uneducated stuff, but you're breaking new ground here by completely making this up. "That line you see is not land but it’s aerial line being crossed horizontally (from your point of view) by the Sun from bottom up some 12 miles above the surface."

I'll play nice. Where did you get 12 miles from?

 troposphere

Known as the lower atmosphere almost all weather occurs in this region. The troposphere begins at the Earth's surface and extends from 4 to 12 miles (6 to 20 km) high. The height of the troposphere varies from the equator to the poles.

So now your contention is that the sun never sets below the horizon it actually sets 12 miles up under the top of the troposphere? So whenever we see a horizon, sun or no sun, we're really looking at the top of the troposphere?

Plat tera, are you a female?

Well now

Thars a bit sexist.
Tirdd of "mansplaining"?

Quote from: Plat Terra on September 07, 2019, 12:40:00 AM

Quote from: Stash on September 07, 2019, 12:35:02 AM

Quote from: Plat Terra on September 07, 2019, 12:27:27 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on September 06, 2019, 11:59:00 PM

Quote from: Plat Terra on September 06, 2019, 10:13:52 PM

WARNING Did you know...

...how easy it would be for any mathematician to take a stationary Plane Earth’s circling celestial bodies and change the distance and size, placing them far away through scale invariance and claim the Earth spins and is orbiting a stationary Sun? They could even fake the seasonal path of the Sun by giving the Earth a stationary tilt. They could easily establish a Heliocentric theory through pseudoscience and claim Earth a sphere and is not of intelligent design.

I don't need any mathematician!
I can see what the sun and moon do and a few photos are enough to prove the they must be at least hundreds of thousands of kilometres away!
The sun size does not change from high in the sky till is has almost set! So it has to be far away!

You have a lot to learn. The Sun is not sinking below the land from your view. It’s passing over the atmosphere horizon under normal conditions. That line you see is not land but it’s aerial line being crossed horizontally (from your point of view) by the Sun from bottom up some 12 miles above the surface.  You need to relearn what you see with science.

Ok, you've said a lot of crazy uneducated stuff, but you're breaking new ground here by completely making this up. "That line you see is not land but it’s aerial line being crossed horizontally (from your point of view) by the Sun from bottom up some 12 miles above the surface."

I'll play nice. Where did you get 12 miles from?

 troposphere

Known as the lower atmosphere almost all weather occurs in this region. The troposphere begins at the Earth's surface and extends from 4 to 12 miles (6 to 20 km) high. The height of the troposphere varies from the equator to the poles.

So now your contention is that the sun never sets below the horizon it actually sets 12 miles up under the top of the troposphere? So whenever we see a horizon, sun or no sun, we're really looking at the top of the troposphere?

I have never said it sets below the horizon.

Over the top.  But the sun is still the same height. It has to do with perspective.

When the sun is setting at that distance you can't even see the difference between the two horizons, the light is much dimmer, so how could you?. Its just a thin line.

I will do a graph soon.

Is FE sun a disk facing down or a sphere?  Let's forget this important detail.

Quote from: Stash on September 07, 2019, 12:45:33 AM

So now your contention is that the sun never sets below the horizon it actually sets 12 miles up under the top of the troposphere? So whenever we see a horizon, sun or no sun, we're really looking at the top of the troposphere?

I have never said it sets below the horizon.

Stash didn't say that you did but the sun does certainly rise from behind the horizon and set behind the horizon.

Over the top.  But the sun is still the same height. It has to do with perspective.

If the earth were flat I can't see how the sun (and moon, planets and stars) could appear to be hidden "behind something" and slowly rise up top first as in this video (click anywhere, it links to a video):

Video of Sunrise over Black Sea HD by kalcymc

An then the sun set near the west with the bottom disappearing first:

LHG-0693 - Sunset Karumba 20070808 06.25.02, 300 mm

LHG-0697 - Sunset Karumba 20070808 06.25.29, 300 mm

You cannot possibly explain that using perspective (or refraction)!
The sun stays the same apparent size all day from rising to setting but perspective would make a nearby sun get drastically smaller as it moved away!

When the sun is setting at that distance you can't even see the difference between the two horizons, the light is much dimmer, so how could you?. Its just a thin line.

Possibly because there are not "two horizons" that's just something more you dreamed up.

I will do a graph soon.

Drawing all the graphs won't help you in the slightest! Show us real-life evidence!

You asked, "When will RE Community Accept Defeat?" and the rate you are going it is obvious that "RE Community" has nothing to worry about from you!

Quote from: Sunset on September 06, 2019, 11:31:09 PM

Plat tera, are you a female?

Well now

Thars a bit sexist.
Tirdd of "mansplaining"?

Lol! Not at all. There's a good point to my question to plat tera, but as per usual, plat ignores anything of a "sticky" nature.

As per the latest ridiculousness, planes in the sky don't stay the same size as they go off into the distance, and suddenly drop below the horizon,(However, if you ever do see that, best to call 911),  they stay well above the horizon and get smaller until they are no longer visible. Why should a circling sun behave differently to a plane in the sky, plat tera? 

Terrify me.....

You have a lot to learn. The Sun is not sinking below the land from your view. It’s passing over the atmosphere horizon under normal conditions. That line you see is not land but it’s aerial line being crossed horizontally (from your point of view) by the Sun from bottom up some 12 miles above the surface.  As the sun gets farther away, you are  viewing it through more atmosphere and it gets dimmer as above. Then crosses over the line. You need to relearn what you see with science.

With the sun casting shadows upwards we know it isn't it crossing anything above us.
The only rational option is that Earth is obstructing the view.

We know it isn't perspective, as the sun remains roughly the same size. It can be seen better with the moon where you don't have the massive issue of glare.

Yer another defeat of FE.

So again, why should the REers be accepting defeat when FE is repeatedly defeated and can only throw bovine excrement in response?

You don't understand. Eratosthenes experiment does not prove Earth is a sphere. It only proves if Earth is a sphere, then it would have a 3959 miles radius. But they never established curvature charts to prove Earth does have curvature as Eratosthenes calculated.  So in other words, it was never verified then (people followed blindly) nor today. OOPS, another ass bite.

This is true. Eratosthenes' experiment does assume the Earth to be a sphere and was just measuring the radius of it. However, the Eratosthenes' experiment could not possibly work on a flat Earth because it would indicate a Sun that is only a few thousand miles above the Earth. Since that is impossible and the Sun is most obviously and visibly far more distant than that, the only possible result of Eratosthenes' experiment is to measure the radius of the Earth.

Quote from: Stash on September 07, 2019, 12:35:02 AM

Quote from: Plat Terra on September 07, 2019, 12:27:27 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on September 06, 2019, 11:59:00 PM

Quote from: Plat Terra on September 06, 2019, 10:13:52 PM

WARNING Did you know...

...how easy it would be for any mathematician to take a stationary Plane Earth’s circling celestial bodies and change the distance and size, placing them far away through scale invariance and claim the Earth spins and is orbiting a stationary Sun? They could even fake the seasonal path of the Sun by giving the Earth a stationary tilt. They could easily establish a Heliocentric theory through pseudoscience and claim Earth a sphere and is not of intelligent design.

I don't need any mathematician!
I can see what the sun and moon do and a few photos are enough to prove the they must be at least hundreds of thousands of kilometres away!
The sun size does not change from high in the sky till is has almost set! So it has to be far away!

You have a lot to learn. The Sun is not sinking below the land from your view. It’s passing over the atmosphere horizon under normal conditions. That line you see is not land but it’s aerial line being crossed horizontally (from your point of view) by the Sun from bottom up some 12 miles above the surface.  You need to relearn what you see with science.

Ok, you've said a lot of crazy uneducated stuff, but you're breaking new ground here by completely making this up. "That line you see is not land but it’s aerial line being crossed horizontally (from your point of view) by the Sun from bottom up some 12 miles above the surface."

I'll play nice. Where did you get 12 miles from?

 troposphere

Known as the lower atmosphere almost all weather occurs in this region. The troposphere begins at the Earth's surface and extends from 4 to 12 miles (6 to 20 km) high. The height of the troposphere varies from the equator to the poles.

Wait, what is this equator that you speak of and why would the atmosphere be thicker here than at the poles?