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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What about the Solar eclipse?
« on: April 14, 2024, 04:32:50 AM »
Recently, there was a Venezuelan chap in the news who tried to rob a bank in the US using a translator app.

Yeixon Brito-Gonzalez reportedly showed bank tellers in Sandusky his phone, which allegedly read through translation software, “get the money” and “put the money in the bag.”

However, even something like that pales in comparison to what jackblack is trying to do here.

He is requesting (two days after he had no idea what a Bessel fundamental plane is) that von Oppolzer had to copy 8,000 solar eclipses (paths of the "moon"'s shadows). von Oppolzer was alone in his endeavour. Imagine this scene: Oppolzer finishes drawing the 8,000 eclipses on the fundamental plane, but now, thanks to jackblack's request, has to copy all of them on the azimuthal plane (same radius, same features, same shadows). On any other forum, this kind of spamming would have been dealt with severely. But not here.

https://www.mreclipse.com/pubs/images/5MKLE2-Preface.pdf

The Besselian elements used in Oppolzer's maps.

https://answersingenesis.org/blogs/danny-faulkner/2023/09/27/how-are-eclipses-predicted-so-precisely/

Theodor von Oppolzer oversaw the calculation of a vast number of eclipses using the modern method.

For solar eclipses, the method begins by defining the fundamental plane, the plane passing through the earth perpendicular to the line between the earth’s center and the sun.


https://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?bibcode=1926PA.....34...78R&db_key=AST&page_ind=1&plate_select=NO&data_type=GIF&type=SCREEN_GIF&classic=YES

"Oppolzer's charts are drawn on a north polar projection."


One and the same. Same radius, same features, in fact the shadows would appear right in the very same area of the map. Please get out of here with your preposterous suggestions that he would spend TWICE THE TIME REQUIRED TO FINISH THE BOOK in order to satisfy your lunacy.


Here are the slight curvatures of the shadows, exactly as proven in Buchanan's treatise:

https://wiki.tfes.org/images/8/85/AE-TwentyYearsOfEclipses.jpg

The Oppolzer azimuthal plane is the fundamental geocentric flat earth surface map.


Once we transfer the data to the rotating globe you get the distorted sine wave with an inflection point. That is not what we see in the sky.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What about the Solar eclipse?
« on: April 14, 2024, 03:33:55 AM »
News from 1860, Austria:

"Theodor von Oppolzer has issued a country wide call for all astronomers and students of astronomy to help him transfer all of the paths of the moon's shadows onto the azimuthal plane. A well known psychic (a very good fortune teller) has informed von Oppolzer that, 150 years into the future, a certain jackblack will require that 8,000 solar eclipses be copied from the fundamental plane to the azimuthal plane".

jack you have become the laughing stock of this forum.


https://www.mreclipse.com/pubs/images/5MKLE2-Preface.pdf

The Besselian elements used in Oppolzer's maps.

https://answersingenesis.org/blogs/danny-faulkner/2023/09/27/how-are-eclipses-predicted-so-precisely/

Theodor von Oppolzer oversaw the calculation of a vast number of eclipses using the modern method.

For solar eclipses, the method begins by defining the fundamental plane, the plane passing through the earth perpendicular to the line between the earth’s center and the sun.


https://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?bibcode=1926PA.....34...78R&db_key=AST&page_ind=1&plate_select=NO&data_type=GIF&type=SCREEN_GIF&classic=YES

"Oppolzer's charts are drawn on a north polar projection."


One and the same. Same radius, same features, in fact the shadows would appear right in the very same area of the map. Please get out of here with your preposterous suggestions that he would spend TWICE THE TIME REQUIRED TO FINISH THE BOOK in order to satisfy your lunacy.


Here are the slight curvatures of the shadows, exactly as proven in Buchanan's treatise:

https://wiki.tfes.org/images/8/85/AE-TwentyYearsOfEclipses.jpg

The Oppolzer azimuthal plane is the fundamental geocentric flat earth surface map.


Once we transfer the data to the rotating globe you get the distorted sine wave with an inflection point. That is not what we see in the sky.


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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What about the Solar eclipse?
« on: April 14, 2024, 01:05:27 AM »
jack, slow down and better start thinking about what you are proposing here.

"Theodor von Oppolzer’s 1887 Canon der Finsternisse (Canon of Eclipses) stands as one of the greatest accomplishments in computational astronomy of the 19th century. It contains the elements of all 8,000 solar eclipses (and 5,200 lunar eclipses) occurring between the years –1207 and +2161 (1208 BCE and 2161 CE, respectively), together with maps showing the approximate positions of the central lines."

That's a total of 13,200 eclipses.

What you are saying is that von Oppolzer would draw those eclipses TWICE, once on a FE map, and once on the fundamental plane.

Those planes are the same, same radius, same features. If you draw the shadow of one eclipse on the fundamental plane, it would show up EXACTLY in the same area on the azimuthal map. Same distances, same curvature.

As difficult as it was to spend all those years creating the maps, what you are suggesting is that von Oppolzer had spent TWICE THE AMOUNT OF TIME drawing the very same shadows of the eclipses on two identical maps.

Nobody's buying your story jack.

In fact, I have the references to prove my point.

https://www.mreclipse.com/pubs/images/5MKLE2-Preface.pdf

The Besselian elements used in Oppolzer's maps.

https://answersingenesis.org/blogs/danny-faulkner/2023/09/27/how-are-eclipses-predicted-so-precisely/

Theodor von Oppolzer oversaw the calculation of a vast number of eclipses using the modern method.

For solar eclipses, the method begins by defining the fundamental plane, the plane passing through the earth perpendicular to the line between the earth’s center and the sun.


https://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?bibcode=1926PA.....34...78R&db_key=AST&page_ind=1&plate_select=NO&data_type=GIF&type=SCREEN_GIF&classic=YES

"Oppolzer's charts are drawn on a north polar projection."


One and the same. Same radius, same features, in fact the shadows would appear right in the very same area of the map. Please get out of here with your preposterous suggestions that he would spend TWICE THE TIME REQUIRED TO FINISH THE BOOK in order to satisfy your lunacy.


Here are the slight curvatures of the shadows, exactly as proven in Buchanan's treatise:



The Oppolzer azimuthal plane is the fundamental geocentric flat earth surface map.


Once we transfer the data to the globe you get the distorted sine wave with an inflection point. That is not what we see in the sky.


This subject matter is way beyond your pay grade.



dataflows2022, I have already solved the distance to the Moon, based on the parallax angle, mystery: we are looking at the Sun through a prism, a massive/abrupt change in the speed of light. That is why the measurements regarding the distance to the Moon are so bogus. All I have to do is prove that the speed of light is variable.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What about the Solar eclipse?
« on: April 13, 2024, 03:37:32 PM »
von Oppolzer used the fundamental plane (azimuthal north pole projection) to map out the shadows of the "moon".

References:

https://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?bibcode=1926PA.....34...78R&db_key=AST&page_ind=1&plate_select=NO&data_type=GIF&type=SCREEN_GIF&classic=YES

"Oppolzer's charts are drawn on a north polar projection."

https://www.mreclipse.com/pubs/images/5MKLE2-Preface.pdf

The Besselian elements used in Oppolzer's maps.

https://answersingenesis.org/blogs/danny-faulkner/2023/09/27/how-are-eclipses-predicted-so-precisely/

Theodor von Oppolzer oversaw the calculation of a vast number of eclipses using the modern method.

For solar eclipses, the method begins by defining the fundamental plane, the plane passing through the earth perpendicular to the line between the earth’s center and the sun.


An orthographic projection IS an azimuthal projection, by definition.


This is the end result:



Exactly the arcs described here:

From Buchanan's treatise:

The line connecting these latter points is the path of the centre of the shadow across the fundamental plane. This line is a curve, but of very slight curvature.


The Oppolzer azimuthal plane is the fundamental geocentric flat earth surface map.


Once we transfer the data to the globe you get the distorted sine wave with an inflection point. That is not what we see in the sky.


This subject matter is way beyond your abilities.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Especially for the free thinkers
« on: April 13, 2024, 10:03:16 AM »
In science to prove a concept, idea or principle one can make a prediction. If reality then matches that prediction then it’s a good chance that the theory behind the prediction is valid. If however a number of predictions are made over a time period using the same theory and all then yield positive results when compared to reality then it points to the underlying theory behind those predictions being undisputed fact.

Then, you'd have to agree with these facts:

REFERENCE #1

CONFIRMATION OF THE ALLAIS EFFECT DURING THE 2003 SOLAR ECLIPSE:

http://www.acad.ro/sectii2002/proceedings/doc3_2004/03_Mihaila.pdf

(it also shows that the effect was confirmed during the August 1999 solar eclipse)


The title of the paper is as follows:

A NEW CONFIRMATION OF THE ALLAIS EFFECT
DURING THE SOLAR ECLIPSE OF 31 MAY 2003

"During the total solar eclipse of 11 August 1999, the existence of the Allais effect was confirmed."

The authors indicate that more measurements/experiments have to be undertaken during future solar eclipses.


REFERENCE #2

CONFIRMATION OF THE ALLAIS EFFECT DURING THE SEPT. 2006 SOLAR ECLIPSE:

http://www.hessdalen.org/sse/program/Articol.pdf

The title of the article is as follows:

A confirmation of the Allais and Jeverdan-Rusu-Antonescu effects
during the solar eclipse from 22 September 2006 , and the quantization
of behaviour of pendulum


"The experiments made with a paraconical pendulum during annular solar eclipse from 22 September 2006 confirm once again the existence of the Allais effect."


REFERENCE #3

CONFIRMATION OF THE ALLAIS EFFECT DURING THE 2008 SOLAR ECLIPSE:

http://ivanik3.narod.ru/Astrophiz/AnomSunEclip/pugarticleGoodey.pdf

Published in the Journal of Advanced Research in Physics


Given the above, the authors consider that it is an inescapable conclusion from our experiments that after the end of the visible eclipse, as the Moon departed the angular vicinity of the Sun, some influence exerted itself upon the Eastern European region containing our three sets of equipment, extending over a field at least hundreds of kilometers in width.

The nature of this common influence is unknown, but plainly it cannot be considered as gravitational in the usually accepted sense of Newtonian or Einsteinian gravitation.


We therefore are compelled to the opinion that some currently unknown physical influence was at work.


REFERENCE #4

The Allais pendulum effect confirmed in an experiment performed in 1961:

http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf074/sf074a05.htm


REFERENCE #5

Observations of Correlated Behavior of Two Light Torsion Balances and a Paraconical Pendulum in Separate Locations during the Solar Eclipse of January 26th, 2009:


http://www.researchgate.net/publication/235701910_Observations_of_Correlated_Behavior_of_Two_Light_TorsionBalances_and_a_Paraconical_Pendulum_in_Separate_Locationsduring_the_Solar_Eclipse_of_January_26th_2009

http://www.hindawi.com/journals/aa/2012/263818/

Published in the Advances in Astronomy Journal

Another independent confirmation has been obtained of the previously established fact that at the time of solar eclipses, a specific reaction of the torsion balance can be observed. During a solar eclipse, the readings of two neighboring TBs seem to be correlated. This fact demonstrates the nonaleatory character of the reactions of TBs. Consequently, the reaction of these devices is deterministic, not random. A solar eclipse is such a determinant, since upon termination of a solar eclipse, the correlation becomes insignificant. This conclusion is supported by the PP observations. The PP graph and the TB graphs showed obvious similarity, with the coefficient of correlation of these two independent curves being close to 1.

In particular, we wonder how any physical momentum can be transferred to our instrument during a solar eclipse. Gravity can hardly suffice as an explanation even for understanding the results of the PP measurements. The gravitational potential grows slowly and smoothly over a number of days before eclipse and then declines smoothly afterwards without any sudden variations, but we see relatively short-term events. Moreover, gravity is certainly not applicable to the explanation of the results of the TB observations, since the TB is not sensitive to changes in gravitational potential.

The cause of the time lag between the response of the device in Suceava and the reactions of the devices in Kiev also remains unknown. What can be this force which acts so selectively in space and time?

The anomalies found, that defy understanding in terms of modern physics, are in line with other anomalies, described in a recently published compendium “Should the Laws of Gravitation be reconsidered?” [14].


REFERENCE #6

Precise Underground Observations of the Partial Solar Eclipse of 1 June 2011 Using a Foucault Pendulum and a Very Light Torsion Balance

Published in the International Journal of Astronomy and Astrophysics Journal


http://www.researchgate.net/publication/235701885_Precise_Underground_Observations_of_the_Partial_Solar_Eclipse_of_1_June_2011_Using_a_Foucault_Pendulum_and_a_Very_Light_Torsion_Balance

http://file.scirp.org/Html/3-4500094_26045.htm

http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperInformation.aspx?PaperID=26045


Simultaneous observations of the solar eclipse on 06/01/2011 were carried out using a Foucault pendulum and a torsion balance. The instruments were installed in a salt mine, where the interference was minimal. Both instruments clearly reacted to the eclipse. We conclude that these reactions should not be considered as being gravitational effects.

REFERENCE #7

Dr. Erwin Saxl experiment (1970)





Published in the Physical Review Journal

Saxl and Allen went on to note that to explain these remarkable eclipse observations, according to "conventional Newtonian/Einsteinian gravitational theory," an increase in the weight of the pendumum bob itself on the order of ~5% would be required ... amounting to (for the ~51.5-lb pendulum bob in the experiment) an increase of ~2.64 lbs!

This would be on the order of one hundred thousand (100,000) times greater than any possible "gravitational tidal effects" Saxl and Allen calculated (using Newtonian Gravitational Theory/ Relativity Theory).

For the same masses/corresponding distances of the Earth, Sun and the Moon, during the Allais experiment, the pendulum's direction of rotation changed from clockwise to counterclockwise, at the end of the eclipse it resumed its normal direction of rotation.

In order to arrive at an explanation, M. Allais considered a wide range
of known periodic phenomena, including the terrestrial tides, variations in
the intensity of gravity, thermal or barometric effects, magnetic variations,
microseismic effects, cosmic rays, and the periodic character of human
activity. Yet, on close examination, the very peculiar nature of the
periodicity shown by the change in azimuth of the pendulum forced the
elimination of all of these as cause.


Dr. Maurice Allais:

In both cases, with the experiments with the anisotropic
support and with those with the isotropic support, it is found
that the amplitudes of the periodic effects are considerably
greater than those calculated according to the law of gravitation,
whether or not completed by the theory of relativity.
In the case of the anisotropic support, the amplitude of
the luni-solar component of 24h 50m is about twenty million
times greater than the amplitude calculated by the theory of
universal gravitation.

In the case of the paraconical pendulum with isotropic
support, this relation is about a hundred million.

In other words, the pendulum motions Allais observed during his two eclipses – 1954 and 1959 -- were physically IMPOSSIBLE … according to all known “textbook physics!”


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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What about the Solar eclipse?
« on: April 13, 2024, 03:42:21 AM »
You mean straight lines like these?



This pic is from my reference:



It shows the first contact of the shadow, the northern and the southern limits of the shadow. ALL OF THEM CURVES ON THE SPHERE. Even if that's the fundamental plane projection (the ambiguity in the drawing can be excused since in 1918 they had no CAD), it still features curves (paths of the shadows): the only straight lines are the north/south directions.

Then, the fundamental plane is also depicted with no projection on it.


The fundamental plane can have no straight lines (the paths of the shadows of the moon).

Proof:

From Buchanan's treatise:

The line connecting these latter points is the path of the centre of the shadow across the fundamental plane. This line is a curve, but of very slight curvature.

These kinds of curves/arcs:



That's the fundamental plane, geocentric and flat, used by Oppolzer to map out the paths/arcs.

The same plane captures the shadows of the "moon". It has a radius of 6,363.63 km, and you are telling your readers they are not the same or that it is not the FE map? Everyone is laughing at you here.


And the arc you are appealing to in that diagram is from a projection of that straight line in the fundamental plane onto the surface of the round Earth, and then from that onto a plane perpendicular to the axis of Earth.


There are no straight lines in the fundamental plane as it pertains to the paths of the shadows.

This alone disqualifies your analysis.


"In this method the observer is supposed to be stationed in the sun and to look down on the rotating earth while the moon with its concentric umbra and penumbra is moving across it."

The Bessel fundamental plane is GEOCENTRIC. FIXED. STATIONARY. You can't have the fundamental plane rotating.

Again, you disqualify your own analysis, I don't have to do anything.




The fundamental plane is a flat surface, geocentric as well, on which the shadows of the "moon" are drawn. Same azimuthal map as that of Oppolzer: he drew the paths right there on that same map.

How many times do we have to go through this?


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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What about the Solar eclipse?
« on: April 13, 2024, 03:27:12 AM »
Two different methods of visual angles and radar easily put the moon grater than 150,000 miles from earth even if you think in your delusion there is ridiculous error.

Both those methods do not take into consideration the existence of the ether dome, which provides a massive, abrupt change in the speed of light.

Here I have proven that we are looking at the Sun through a prism:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2252015#msg2252015

Remember what Hubble was saying:

" … the results do not establish the expansion as the only possible interpretation of redshifts. Other data are available which, at the moment, seem to point in another direction."

" … redshifts are evidence either of an expanding universe or of some hitherto unknown principle of nature …

That "hitherto unknown principle of nature" is the ether dome. It cancels out any red shifts, parallax angles and radar signals to the moon.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What about the Solar eclipse?
« on: April 13, 2024, 02:40:50 AM »
There was no color distortion in the moon seen in the imagine below.  No atmosphere conditions looking more or less straight up to cause the amount of refraction like looking at an object on the horizon.  With the moon looking crisp and clean another indicator there is essentially no refraction.  With two observes separated by great distance looking at the moon.  Not like the single observer in your meme.

With the slight bending of light that in no way throws off the overall distance to the moon of by 30 percent.


Let me explain something to you. The distance to the Moon using the parallax angle is kryptonite to many FEs. No one else has ever touched this subject.

But I can solve each and every problem.

Most definitely we are seeing the Sun through a prism:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2252015#msg2252015

It's not about any color distortion of the moon.

There is a huge barrier of ether between our atmosphere and the second dome. That ether drift slows down the speed of light considerably, that is why all measurements based on "red shift" are erroneous.

There is no "slight" bending of the light, but a massive, abrupt shift in its speed once it reaches the barrier. You are lucky to get even a 30% error in that measurement.

sandokhan, if think this distance to the moon is off.  Then you need to state your own distance to the moon and prove it.  You will not do such a thing because you’re a coward.


By the way.  One can measure the distance to the moon with radar…


The radar suffers from the same kind of problem once it reaches the ether dome.

Here is something else you might be interested in.

https://web.archive.org/web/20060607031454/http://itis.volta.alessandria.it/episteme/ep3-17.htm

"The late Walther Nernst was one of the the most eminent and interesting scientists with whom I came into contact. His scientific instinct was truly amazing - apart from a masterly acquaintance with a vast amount of facts that he could always readily bring to mind, he also possessed a rare command of methods and experimental findings which he excelled in ... "

A. Einstein describing the work published by W. Nernst

What Walther Nernst did was to discover a huge, catastrophic error in Hubble's calculations on the interpretation of the red shift.


"if redshift are not primarily due to velocity shift … the velocity-distance relation is linear, the distribution of the nebula is uniform, there is no evidence of expansion, no trace of curvature, no restriction of the time scale … and we find ourselves in the presence of one of the principle of nature that is still unknown to us today … whereas, if redshifts are velocity shifts which measure the rate of expansion, the expanding models are definitely inconsistent with the observations that have been made … expanding models are a forced interpretation of the observational results"

E. Hubble

And as far as expansion is concerned, Hubble concluded with the following statement:

" … the results do not establish the expansion as the only possible interpretation of redshifts. Other data are available which, at the moment, seem to point in another direction."

" … redshifts are evidence either of an expanding universe or of some hitherto unknown principle of nature …

E. Hubble

That unknown principle of nature is the ETHER.

Nernst's Interpretation

Hubble made two mistakes, as has been seen.

The first one lay in choosing to research an interpretation of redshift that was exclusively within the field of Einsteinian relativity.

The second lay in the hypothesis that his "law" was "clearly linear", thus ignoring a fact that is well-known to any physicist, even an amateur one, namely that for small z values (redshift) a straight line constitutes a good "first approximation" of a logarithmic curve.

These mistake did not happen by chance.

The first was almost certainly due to the influence of Tolman, the relativistic theorist whose aid was sought by Hubble to "interpret" redshifts. Despite the results of the work he did in 1936, Hubble was never able to completely shake off Tolman's influence.

His second mistake was caused in the same way by the influence of Einsteinian relativity. A logarithmic law may be deduced from a normal "classical" effect of exponential decay of energy in photons; this, however, really does postulate the existance of the "intergalactic and interstellar mean" that is "in principle" denied by Relativity.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What about the Solar eclipse?
« on: April 12, 2024, 11:55:58 PM »

A solar eclipse took place on the 8th April exactly as predicted.

That points to the calculations and methodology both being accurate and correct.


Let's put your word to the test.



That's a distorted sine curve with an inflection point.

That is not what we saw in the sky:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nyc-experience-2024-solar-eclipse-164754996.html

RE context: distorted sine curves, not what we see in the sky

FE setting: smooth arcs/curves, the Bessel fundamental plane projection method

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What about the Solar eclipse?
« on: April 12, 2024, 11:34:26 PM »
This plane is NOT the surface of Earth.
This is NOT a FE method.
It is an orthographic projection of the RE.


You lousy moron, the ortographic projection is an azimuthal projection of the globe onto a plane:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthographic_map_projection

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthographic_map_projection#/media/File:Comparison_azimuthal_projections.svg

THAT'S THE AZIMUTHAL MAP USED BY OPPOLZER HIMSELF!!!

Where do you draw your eclipses? Yes, on the fundamental plane with a radius of 6,363.63 km. That's the plane where Oppolzer drew his arcs of the eclipses also.

You are lying through your teeth as always.

"The fundamental plane crosses the centre of the Earth and is perpendicular to the axis of the shadow cone"
Notice how they aren't saying it is the surface of a flat Earth?


You moron, THAT'S THE AZIMUTHAL PROJECTION, THE BESSEL FUNDAMENTAL PLANE WITH THE PATHS OF THE SHADOWS, EXACTLY AS DRAWN BY OPPOLZER HIMSELF, SHOWING THE CONTINENTS OF THE NORTHERN SEMIPLANE!

That's the FE map, it is also geocentric. What were you smoking to write drivel like that?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What about the Solar eclipse?
« on: April 12, 2024, 11:23:02 PM »
That is an image of the path of the Moon's shadow, on this orthographic projection. Notice how it is a straight line, just as we would expect?

You imbecile, that is my reference which spells out that the northern hemisphere is PROJECTED ONTO A PLANE, the FLAT EARTH PLANE, the BESSEL FUNDAMENTAL PLANE!

https://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?bibcode=1918PA.....26...96H&db_key=AST&page_ind=1&plate_select=NO&data_type=GIF&type=SCREEN_GIF&classic=YES

That's not a straight line you moron: THAT IS THE ARC ON THE SURFACE OF THE GLOBE!

THEN and only then is the curve transferred onto the plane, like here:

https://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?bibcode=1918PA.....26...96H&db_key=AST&page_ind=2&plate_select=NO&data_type=GIF&type=SCREEN_GIF&classic=YES

IN PLAIN VIEW, EVERYTHING IS TRANSFERRED from the northern hemisphere to the FLAT EARTH PLANE, THE BESSEL FUNDAMENTAL PLANE, THE AZIMUTHAL PLANE, the one used by Oppolzer.

See how easy it is to defeat you?

NOW FOR THE FINISHING TOUCHES:

https://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?bibcode=1918PA.....26...96H&db_key=AST&page_ind=3&plate_select=NO&data_type=GIF&type=SCREEN_GIF&classic=YES

AS SOON AS YOU TRANSFER THE PATH OF THE SHADOW ONTO THE ROTATING GLOBE, YOU GET THE DISTORTED SINE WAVE WITH AN INFLECTION POINT.


We see no inflection points in the sky during a solar eclipse.


More references.

https://archive.org/details/canonofeclipsesc0000oppo/page/n9/mode/1up?q=azimuthal

Three, and occasionally four, precisely computed points have been plotted on the azimuthal equidistant projection to define the general location of the central eclipse path.

Detailed calculations of modern eclipses, as found in the national “nautical almanacs,” are generally computed by the method of F. W. Bessel. Prof. Oppolzer adopted an alternative method devised by P. A. Hansen. The two systems have certain geometric constructions in common. Both use the line passing through the center of the sun and moon for a fundamental reference axis, and a fundamental plane, perpendicular to the axis, passes through the center of the earth.


You are the lying scum.

It is the very plane with a radius of 6,363.63 km used by Oppolzer as well. It is plane, as in flat, with the correct radius. The eclipses are drawn on this Bessel fundamental plane. They must match the geography of the azimuthal unipolar map, otherwise Oppolzer could have drawn nothing at all.


The Bessel projection plane is geocentric as well, as in a fixed Earth.

Nothing can be done unless and until you get the FLAT EARTH GEOCENTRIC PLANE MAP.

There, the eclipses are arcs, a smooth curve.

When you get to the globe, you get a distorted sine wave with an inflection point, a disaster.

You lose, as always.


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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What about the Solar eclipse?
« on: April 12, 2024, 11:13:24 PM »
How is there more than 30 percent error in their estimation to the distance of the moon?


You have done nothing to prove this is off by more than 30 percent.  With you providing no FE distance to the moon to dispute it.


But I have.

Basically, we are looking at the Sun through a prism:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2252015#msg2252015

And so we are looking at the Moon through a prism also.




This is the reason for the huge flaw in the calculation made when someone calculates the distance to the Moon using the parallax angle.

No other FE has ever dared to challenge the distance to the Moon using the parallax angle. Now, it has been easily debunked, we are looking at the Moon through a prism.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What about the Solar eclipse?
« on: April 12, 2024, 03:19:35 PM »
Oppolzer used the azimuthal fundamental plane to sketch the arcs. Those arcs are what we see in the sky during a solar eclipse. It is the same fundamental plane used by Bessel. Plane = flat earth surface, since we are observing the paths of the shadow of the moon ON the surface of the Earth.

Where do the arcs of the paths appear? Exactly, on the fundamental plane. Where did Oppolzer draw his arcs? Exactly, on the azimuthal fundamental plane.

How can a plane projection be part of heliocentrism?

Moreover, that fundamental plane is geocentric, more proof we are dealing with FE.

The arcs are not straight lines, they match exactly what we see in the sky during a total solar eclipse.

By contrast, for the globe model we get a distorted sine wave with an inflection point. There is no inflection point in the sky during a solar eclipse.

All you do is to deny these basic facts, without producing any references to back your claims. I have the quote from the Canon of Eclipses where the azimuthal plane = the fundamental plane. They have to be the same since the arcs of the paths are drawn on them.


For the parallax distances, here is something new: the effect of the ether drift upon such observations, the straight lines become curves, and the parallax angle will be wrong.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What about the Solar eclipse?
« on: April 12, 2024, 12:18:55 PM »
Because just like this guy here, they used Kepler's laws and the parallax to calculate the distance:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=92292.msg2418807#msg2418807

That is why the calculation is off by some 30%.

You have to offer to your readers the equations that they had used.

Once you use the fake Keplerian laws and fake heliocentric parallax you get shit for your results.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Is he serious?
« on: April 12, 2024, 12:16:08 PM »
cobra, you really need to read up on the dating methods. Here is the best place to start:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1640735#msg1640735

A mechanical dynamics phenomenon, easily shown as the reason low pressure systems spin one way north of the equator and the opposite direction south of the equator. A feature of reality your childish FE model can't explain.

What is this, flat earth debate 101? I dealt with such matters many years ago. The Coriolis effect is caused by the rotation of the ether field above the surface of the Earth. Read up on ether magnetism:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg759332#msg759332

North Pole - Center - South Pole, different spin in either semiplane. Quite simple.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What about the Solar eclipse?
« on: April 12, 2024, 11:52:58 AM »
The app  must include Kepler's laws and then the use of the parallax.

Exactly as this guy had claimed:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=92292.msg2418807#msg2418807

It was thoroughly debunked by me there, so you are even more stupid to start that argument all over again here.

If it is based on Kepler's laws and the parallax, the calculation is fake as fuck.


Explain to your readers why Sirius keeps up with the accelerating precession of the Earth.


Your statement had no proof then or now.

If the earth was flat, and a “dark” object directly under the sun, the eclipse totality shadow should be in the area of Mexico for my local time of 3pm in the mid west.

Seeing that you had no proof for your post, you switched over to something else entirely.

These kinds of tricks do not work with me.




That's a distorted sine curve with an inflection point.

That is not what we saw in the sky:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nyc-experience-2024-solar-eclipse-164754996.html

RE context: distorted sine curves, not what we see in the sky

FE setting: smooth arcs/curves, the Bessel fundamental plane projection method

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Is he serious?
« on: April 12, 2024, 11:47:53 AM »
If the calculation (concerning the distance to the Moon) was performed using Kepler's fake laws and the heliocentric parallax, then it was debunked right here:

Here is a thread with exactly that type of calculation, where it is proven it is false:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=92292.msg2418807#msg2418807


Stop making shit up. Light speed is constant in a vacuum. Proven over and over. Starting with Michelson and Morely.

Each ring laser interferometer displays faster than light speed (c + v term). Proven by the Kassner effect. You've never heard of the Kassner effect have you?

Read about it right here:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2234871#msg2234871 (two consecutive messages)

It is also called the time gap discontinuity paradox.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220511031521/http://www.espenhaug.com/SagnacEffectFavorsAbsolute.pdf

Dr. Gianfranco Spavieri

In both the outward and return paths, the one-way speed is c (in agreement with Einstein’s second postulate) if the length L of the outward path covered by the signal is reduced to L(1 - 2v/c) < L in Eq. (3).

CORIOLIS EFFECT = a path measuring L(1 - 2v/c), a comparison of two separate/different segments

SAGNAC EFFECT = a path measuring L, a comparison of two continuous loops

Dr. Stephan J.G. Gift

"Thus regarding the frame on the rotating disc he stated, “the speed of light is c everywhere except at the point on the circle where we put the time gap. The position of this point is arbitrary but there must inevitably be such a point.” "

A time gap means that we are no longer dealing with TWO CONTINUOUS LOOPS, as required by the definition of the SAGNAC EFFECT. Having compared two separate segments, only the CORIOLIS EFFECT formula will be derived.

"He concluded by acknowledging that “Einstein synchronization fails when performed along a path around a full circle” i.e. on a closed path on the rotating disc."

It has to fail on a closed path since the Einstein synchronization deals only with subluminal speeds, while the full closed path (two continuous loops) requires the use of superluminal speeds (c+v) for the SAGNAC EFFECT.


The Michelson-Morley experiment is a Sagnac interferometer with zero area.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2041450#msg2041450

Dr. Patrick Cornille (Essays on the Formal Aspects of Electromagnetic Theory, pg. 141):



Topological consideration of the MMX:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2044039#msg2044039


Christoph Pfister, one of Swizterland's greatest historians, has investigated each castle, each cathedral, each document pertaining to the medieval age and has concluded that all of them were constructed during the 18th century.

If I can prove to you that both Pompeii and Herculaneum were cities in full activity in the 18th century, will you then believe me?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What about the Solar eclipse?
« on: April 12, 2024, 11:24:39 AM »
There is no such thing as a heliocentric parallax angle. Is that the method that they had used to measure the distance to the moon?

Here is a thread with exactly that type of calculation, where it is proven it is false:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=92292.msg2418807#msg2418807


Where is the proof for your statement regarding the dark body? As soon as I asked for a reference you declined to discuss the matter further.


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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What about the Solar eclipse?
« on: April 12, 2024, 11:03:30 AM »
I always provide proofs for my statements, this is what differentiates my messages from any other posts.


You see, as soon as I asked for proof of your statement (re: the dark body) you switched very fast to another topic. So you have no proof for your statement, which was expected.


If you wish to discuss the speed of light as it pertains to the distance to the moon measurement choose one of the threads for the debate.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Is he serious?
« on: April 12, 2024, 11:00:26 AM »
Right. How was the measurement done? What method was used? Please explain to your readers. Light is a variable, not a constant, the barrier constituted by the ether slows down its speed considerably. So do explain what method was used.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What about the Solar eclipse?
« on: April 12, 2024, 10:46:55 AM »
If the earth was flat, and a “dark” object directly under the sun, the eclipse totality shadow should be in the area of Mexico for my local time of 3pm in the mid west.

Your statement is worthless, as you have no proof for it.

I, on the other hand, can immediately disprove your RE setting in no time at all.



That's a distorted sine curve with an inflection point.

That is not what we saw in the sky:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nyc-experience-2024-solar-eclipse-164754996.html

RE context: distorted sine curves, not what we see in the sky

FE setting: smooth arcs/curves, the Bessel fundamental plane projection method


As I’ve said before solar eclipses have been successfully predicted for hundreds of years using data and a methodology that are at odds with what you believe.

That methodology is based wholly and totally on the Bessel fundamental plane/flat geocentric projection method. As in no curvature, totally flat, and fixed/stationary. It is at odds with what you believe in.

Explain to your readers why Sirius keeps up so precisely with the exponentially increasing rate of precession.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Is he serious?
« on: April 12, 2024, 10:41:23 AM »
You can't just read the rings, read the references on the difficulties and the issues involved.

You will really need to take some aspirin now. Absolute proof that Sirius is orbiting at a distance of less than 50 km from the surface of the Earth (FET):

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=92401.msg2420848#msg2420848

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What about the Solar eclipse?
« on: April 12, 2024, 10:36:31 AM »
You've been here for six years. By now, you know what the bipolar FE map looks like and where to find it. Have you ever fulfilled any of the tasks which were assigned to you? Like in never, right? I am under no obligation to do anything for you. If you desire that map, you find it and bring it here. Then, I will oblige you to explain the distribution of the continents (northern semiplane vs southern semiplane) as it relates to the supposed law of attractive gravity.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What about the Solar eclipse?
« on: April 12, 2024, 09:34:52 AM »
SIRIUS - EARTH DISTANCE: LESS THAN 50 KILOMETERS

The acceleration of the rate of axial precession is a basic fact of science:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1776108#msg1776108

And the data is this:

Simon Newcomb included a “constant” in his precession formula to get it to match the increasing rate of precession that was observed leading up to his era.

The “constant” amount was .000222 arc seconds per year.

In 1900 the precession rate was 50.2564 (USNO).

In 2000 the precession rate was 50.290966 (AA).

This shows us the precession rate has increased over the past 100 years by .0346 for an average of .000346” per/year. Comparing this to Newcomb’s 0.000222” figure,  we can see the actual rate of change has not simply increased at a “constant” rate – it has increased at an “exponential” rate.


A TOTAL AND COMPLETE DEFIANCE OF NEWTONIAN ORBITAL MECHANICS.


The mass of the Sun/Moon/planets has not increased (we all know that the mass of the Sun is actually constantly decreasing).

The orbital distances are the same (and the Moon is constantly receding from the Earth).


Precession has nothing to do with the law of attractive gravitation.


HOW or WHY does Sirius keep up so precisely with the exponentially increasing rate of precession?

How can Sirius' proper motion stay synched up so precisely with precession, when the rate of precession itself is changing?


If any local force in here the "heliocentrical" solar system drove up the rate of precession, it would NOT also drive up the proper motion of Sirius across the sky.



In the official theory of astrophysics, Sirius is 8.6 LIGHT YEARS from Earth.

THAT IS 81 TRILLION KILOMETERS.

And yet it keeps up precisely with the exponential increase of the rate of precession.


Dr. Jad Buchwald (Caltech):

Sirius remains about the same distance from the equinoxes—and so from the solstices— throughout these many centuries, despite precession.

".... despite precession, Sirius and the solstice must remain about the same distance in time from one another during most of Egyptian history."


The distance from Sirius to Earth cannot be measured in light years, millions of kilometers, thousands of kilometers, or even in the hundreds of kilometers: both the Sun and Sirius are linked/connected by the SAME FIELD, which makes it possible for both these heavenly bodies to precisely keep up with the exponentially increasing rate of precession.

Moreover, here we have a basic proof of the existence of the second dome (shield/ether barrier): the first dome separates the Earth's atmosphere from the rotational gravitational force acting upon the Sun/Moon/Shadow Moon/Black Sun/planets/stars; the second dome encloses the aether/ether field necessary to account for the rotation of the planets/stars.


The fact that Sirius seems to maintain its position relative to the position of the sun was a surprise to most scientists (aware of precession), when it was first noticed by the French scientific community following the Egyptian discoveries of Napoleon (and the Dendera Zodiac) in the early 1800’s. Perhaps to save the lunisolar theory of precession, or at least to make sense of physics as then taught, physicist, astronomer, mathematician Jean-Baptiste Biot (21 April 1774 – 3 February 1862) proclaimed that this phenomenon was an oddity of the latitude and horizon around Dendera, meaning it just seemed as if Sirius was immune to the effects of precession. And to this day this is the assumption of many astronomers and astrophysicists.   Physicist Jed Z. Buchwald, professor of history and science and technology (Caltech and MIT) commented on this topic in his article Egyptian Stars Under Paris Skies, when he noted:

"The rising of Sirius, the brightest star in the heavens and important to Egyptians as the signal for the annual flooding of the Nile, was assumed by the French physicists to move with relation to the sun as do the constellations of the zodiac. It does not, however, as we see here."



The curved line dividing the lit from the dark regions represents the horizon near Dendera. The blue lines show the locations of the ecliptic with respect to the horizon at five helical risings separated by hundreds of years. The vernal points mark the equinoxes at these times, and the circled numbers on the lower right indicate the corresponding positions of Sirius. Sirius remains about the same distance from the equinoxes—and so from the solstices— throughout these many centuries, despite precession.

However, wishing to deduce an establishment of a Sothic year of 365.25 days based on the flooding of the Nile in relation to the remarkable astronomical phenomenon of the helical rising of Sirius is in the words of the Egyptologist R.A. Schwaller de Lubicz, "a feat of skill which would dignify clairvoyance rather than ratiocination."

R.A. Schwaller de Lubicz, “Sacred Science”, Inner Traditions (1982)

At this point it would be interesting to mention that Otto Neugebauer, who wrote extensively about Babylonian astronomy, also discussed the so-called Solstice-Equinox-Sirius texts, which formed part of the “Astronomical Diaries”. These texts list equinoxes, solstices, heliacal risings and settings of Sirius from the period of around 600 BCE and around 330 BCE. Apparently, the position of Sirius relative to the solstices and equinoxes did not change over time with precession.

http://saturniancosmology.org/files/calendar/precession.txt


It is recognized that from the beginning of the empire and during the entire dynastic period the rising of Sirius with the Sun always occurred around the time of the Summer solstice.

The implication of this astronomical fact is best explained by Jed Z. Buchwald, a distinguished Professor of History and Science, in his paper “Egyptian Stars under Paris Skies” (Caltech, Engineering & Science No. 4, 2003), where he discusses the meaning of the Zodiac that has been engraved in the ceiling of the temple of Dendera in Egypt:

“The solstice is, after all, extraordinarily hard to pin-point by observation, and in any case it was known from Greek texts that the Egyptians were particularly concerned with the heliacal rising of the brightest star in the sky, Sirius—that is, with the night when Sirius first appears, just before dawn. In Egyptian prehistory this event certainly preceded the annual flooding of the Nile, which was of obvious agricultural importance. Would not precession have moved Sirius along with the zodiacal stars, eventually decoupling its heliacal rising from the solstice, and so from the annual inundation? We know today that the inundation occurs after the June beginning of the rainy season in Ethiopia, where the Blue Nile rises. And yet Sirius’ heliacal rising remained a central marker of the year throughout Egyptian history.” (p 25)

".... despite precession, Sirius and the solstice must remain about the same distance in time from one another during most of Egyptian history. Indeed they do, though it’s doubtful that Burckhardt and Coraboeuf had thought it through. Because of Sirius’ position, and the latitudes at which the Egyptians observed the sky, both Sirius’ heliacal rising and the summer solstice remained nearly the same number of days apart throughout Egyptian history even though the zodiac moves slowly around the ecliptic." (pp 29)

Buchwald, who produced a revealing diagram on the ‘Heliacal Risings of Sirius’ in relation to the vernal points (for the period of 2900 BCE to 2941 CE at intervals of 1460 years) using TheSky software, makes it very clear that "Sirius remains about the same distance from the equinoxes - and so from the solstices - throughout these many centuries, despite precession".


According to the current theory of lunisolar precession the pole, and therefore the equator of the Earth is supposed to “wobble” over a period of roughly 25800 years relative to the position of the fixed stars and the Sun. In other words, if we were to imagine the Earth ‘fixed’ in its revolution around the Sun at the time when Sirius is in conjunction with the Sun (e.g. during the Summer solstice), an observer would not only notice changes in the declination of Sirius and the other stars, but simultaneously equal changes in the declination of the Sun. In practice, however, Sirius does not show any significant variations in its position relative to the Summer solstice.

In order to account for the unusual motion of Sirius, which is minimal relative to the Summer solstice and exceptionally high with respect to the stars of the Zodiac, Karine Gadré,  the Associate Researcher at the Department of Astrophysics of the MidiPyrenees Observatory in Toulouse, France offers the following explanation:

“The low change in the celestial coordinates of Sirius comes from its high proper movement, which partly compensated the effects of precession under the Dynastic Period. […] In order to better understand how the proper movement of Sirius can partly compensate the effects of precession, do not only take into account the numerical values of the speed vector. Take also into account the position of Sirius on the celestial vault at a given instant and the direction of the speed vector.

Now we know that the proper motion of Sirius (i.e. of the Sirius system) over a period of some 5400 years is less than 2°:

"For a long time astronomers had been noticing anomalies in Sirius' proper motion; this motion, well known since Halley's time is equal to 0.0375" in RA (Right Ascension) and to 1.207" in D, (Declination), which gives a yearly resultant motion of 1.32" in the direction of 204°, which is noticeably to the south. In 1834, Bessel showed that the anomalies consisted mainly of deviations between the star's theoretical position and its actual position; these distinctly periodic differences, especially in right ascension, may be as great as 0.321", which is a considerable amount with regard to meridian observations. Overall, instead of moving through space in a straight line, Sirius appears to display a wavy trajectory."

Dr. P. Blaize, Le Compagnon de Sirius, Bull. de la Société astronomique de France (1931)




An Egypto-Julian calendar reveals that New Year Day (beginnings of Sothic Cycles) of the Egyptian calendar synchronized with the following tetraeterises:

Heliopolis, Egypt:
4225 BC July 15
2767 BC July 16
1311 BC July 17
145 AD July 18


This proves that Sirius is not precessing like other stars, since in this 4,370 years time period, the calendar dates have only changed by 3 calendar days!

Moreover, the heliacal rising of Sirius appears to keep up with the calendar.

This heliacal rise of Sirius also appears to be a fixed date according to the Julian calendar for over 4,000 years.


HOW or WHY does Sirius keep up so precisely with the exponentially increasing rate of precession?

How can Sirius' proper motion stay synched up so precisely with precession, when the rate of precession itself is changing?


If any local force here in "heliocentrical" solar system drove up the rate of precession, it would NOT also drive up the proper motion of Sirius across the sky.



An Egypto-Julian calendar reveals that New Year Day (beginnings of Sothic Cycles) of the Egyptian calendar synchronized with the following tetraeterises:

Heliopolis, Egypt:
4225 BC July 15
2767 BC July 16
1311 BC July 17
145 AD July 18


This proves that Sirius is not precessing like other stars, since in this 4,370 years time period, the calendar dates have only changed by 3 calendar days!

Moreover, the heliacal rising of Sirius appears to keep up with the calendar.

This heliacal rise of Sirius also appears to be a fixed date according to the Julian calendar for over 4,000 years.


HOW or WHY does Sirius keep up so precisely with the exponentially increasing rate of precession?

How can Sirius' proper motion stay synched up so precisely with precession, when the rate of precession itself is changing?


If any local force here the "heliocentrical" solar system drove up the rate of precession, it would NOT also drive up the proper motion of Sirius across the sky.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What about the Solar eclipse?
« on: April 12, 2024, 09:25:03 AM »


That's a distorted sine curve with an inflection point.

That is not what we saw in the sky:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nyc-experience-2024-solar-eclipse-164754996.html

RE context: distorted sine curves, not what we see in the sky

FE setting: smooth arcs/curves, the Bessel fundamental plane projection method


If I can prove (hardcore data) to you that Sirius orbits above the surface of the stationary Earth at a distance measured in the tens of kilometers (FE setting) would you then believe me?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What about the Solar eclipse?
« on: April 12, 2024, 09:21:48 AM »
Further the plane is centered on the round earth.

That Bessel fundamental plane (as in flat surface) is the map of the FE on which the arcs of the shadows of the "moon" are drawn. Exactly the map used by Oppolzer.

It completely supports standard RE eclipse theory and has absolutely nothing to do with FE.

It cannot support anything relating to the RE eclipse theory: it is a plane, geocentric setting.

How can it support the heliocentric setting, if it is a geocentric flat surface plane? It cannot.

Now, that azimuthal plane was used by Oppolzer to map out the arcs of the shadows.

The Bessel fundamental plane captures the arcs of the shadows perfectly in the FE setting, on that azimuthal map (which is FE).

By contrast, once you extend the calculations to the globe, you the distorted sine wave, not what we see in the sky.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What about the Solar eclipse?
« on: April 12, 2024, 09:17:59 AM »
Your data does not show the paths of the shadow of the "moon".



That's a distorted sine curve with an inflection point.

That is not what we saw in the sky:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nyc-experience-2024-solar-eclipse-164754996.html

RE context: distorted sine curves, not what we see in the sky

FE setting: smooth arcs/curves, the Bessel fundamental plane projection method


If I can prove (hardcore data) to you that Sirius orbits above the surface of the stationary Earth at a distance measured in the tens of kilometers (FE setting) would you then believe me?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What about the Solar eclipse?
« on: April 12, 2024, 07:50:12 AM »
No. In the correct FET, the Moon orbits at an altitude a little less than the Sun, but during a solar eclipse it goes behind the Sun. The solar eclipse is caused by the Dark Body which passes in front of the Sun (a slightly smaller diameter).

Someone has to replace the figures for the Sun in the flat earth wikipedia: no 3000 mile altitude for the Sun, no 32 mile diameter. The Sun does rise and set.

Now, all of this will not save you.

Let me prove, again, that in the Bessel fundamental plane FE geocentric projection method/setting, you will always get the smooth arcs for the shadow of the "moon":

From Buchanan's treatise:

The line connecting these latter points is the path of the centre of the shadow across the fundamental plane. This line is a curve, but of very slight curvature.


ALWAYS, you get the correct results.


However, once we transfer the data onto a globe, you will also get distorted sine waves with an inflection point, and we do not see this kind of manifestation in the sky. Summary: no correct paths for the shadow of the "moon" are possible in the rotating globe model. You need a geocentric, flat surface of the Earth to make it all work, to get the smooth arcs.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What about the Solar eclipse?
« on: April 12, 2024, 07:33:33 AM »
Let me explain again, since you, the RE, are asking what FE model.

In order to map out the paths of the shadow of the moon (during a solar eclipse, HC model), you must first use the Bessel fundamental plane geocentric projection method.

Does everyone here understand the words "plane" and "geocentric"? That is, a fixed and flat surface of the Earth.

When we use the Bessel fundamental plane (FE MAP, radius 6,363.63 km), we get smooth arcs, exactly what you see in the sky.

However, once we project the data onto the globe, you get the distorted sine wave, with an inflection point, certainly not what we see in the sky.

The FE setting works out perfectly, 100% of the time, while the RE setting results in distorted sine waves.


If you want to debate the FE luni-solar model with me, we get back right to page 1, at the Allais effect.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What about the Solar eclipse?
« on: April 12, 2024, 07:14:39 AM »
You did receive the answer yesterday, when I responded and told you that the map used by Oppolzer is the UNIPOLAR AZIMUTHAL map. It is accurate for the northern semiplane, as you well might know by now. Yet, here you are feigning and pretending that you have no idea what kind of a map it is. I use the bipolar map, the Piri Reis map. But you already know all of these details. So why are you wasting everyone's time here?

What matters is that it is the Bessel fundamental plane map, with the correct radius (6,363.63 km), a flat earth map.

Both Bessel and Oppolzer had to draw the arcs of the eclipses right on this map.



No matter what data you use for your heliocentric setting, you are going to eventually get distorted sine waves with an inflection point.

It is only in the geocentric setting, using the Bessel fundamental plane, that you will get smooth arcs, exactly what we see in the sky.

Let me prove my statement:

From Buchanan's treatise:

The line connecting these latter points is the path of the centre of the shadow across the fundamental plane. This line is a curve, but of very slight curvature.

What we are talking about here is YOUR MODEL, not the FE MODEL. You get distorted sine waves with inflection points: you got shit on your hands.

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