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This seems to be further evidence that light bends upwards. Thanks dyno.
Anyone can yell "it's an illusion" at anything. The claim of an illusion along with some vague explanation concerning optics or physics isn't proof that the explanation is true. It isn't proof of anything.
No. There isn't 100% proof for anything really. We could all be under the control of a floating monster-like spaghetti creature, you have no absolute 100% disproof. Or proof you exist, or proof dogs are mammals.I mostly agree with you, in that most practical or new concepts can't really be 100% proven, although for a sliver of human knowledge there are certainties.
That would be because the earth is an infinite plane.You don't know that. That's a wild guess.
Looking at the sun at all stages in the sky (through the glass) it always appears to be the same size.
He's gonna tell you READ the FAQ.
I say he is using english translation of arabic words then using the english words definition to disprove god. Your proofs are flawed in that way in my mind.
Did you ever answer this following statement with an answer different than "I didn't consider RE to be a possibility"?
Looking out your window is not evidence, because it doesn't favor one model over another.
When I look out my window I see a scene which favors the Flat Earth model. There is no reason to consider that there might be an undetectable amount of convexity, as nearly every moment of our earthly existence reminds us that we live upon a plane.
Quote1. There is no reason to believe that the view outside your window is representative of the whole planet.[/quote ]While this is true, not all parts are the same. This is not an answer to my question because, you assume the planet is flat by the sum of its parts. You use your yard as the perfect 'part'. For your assessment to work my question comes first. Why is your yard representative of the rest of the world?
A whole is the sum of its parts.QuoteQuote2. RE should be considered because it is possible. Not considering all possibilities is biased in the conclusions. It's like performing process of elimination without justification for eliminating one option.
I don't see why the RE should be considered, just as I don't see why a banana shaped earth should be considered. Just because it's "possible" doesn't mean that we should let our fantasies run wild.
A banana shape world would fail to provide explanations for countless observations and ultimately is not really possible. RE and FE all have the same observations.
No, a freakin' large, all powerful conspiracy slowly developed out of the space programs of the USA and USSR. I explained this in the third post of this thread.Sorry, I have a tendency to not read your stuff as I know you aren't serious and you aren't entertaining. (no offense)
1. You forgot to answer the bolded text.QuoteWhy is there zero reason to consider RE? Scientists and various workers with insight to the shape of the Earth conclude it is round. Even if it is conspiracy, it would be considered.
I've never seen evidence which suggests that the earth is a globe. If the earth was a globe there should be evidence all around us. However, there is not.
1. There is no reason to believe that the view outside your window is representative of the whole planet.QuoteCorrection. Looking at a locally flat Earth suggests that the earth is locally flat. I'm sure you understand that looking at a sphere up close will create the illusion of flatness the closer you get to the point that the eye can't differentiate.
I don't see why we should consider that there might be an undetectable convexity to the earth, just as I don't see why we should consider that there might be an undetectable concavity to the earth. The view out side my window is flat. Therefore the earth is flat by pretense.
Slight convexity or concavity to the earth must be proven.As it has been by many... NASA being the strongest example.
1. You have failed to tell me why I am incorrect in my understanding of panoramic cameras. Seriously, I'm interested.QuoteThere would be breaks in the picture if the camera didn't update as frequently as it could. The panorama in this case is a new picture for every pixel you 'rotate' the view. Look at the mountains when they are on the left as opposed to middle as opposed to right. The stretch and distort depending on the angle. They are not one picture being pushed from side to side.
Even if you were correct, which you are not, other pictures from the top of Mt. Everest should show curvature to the earth. They do not.
QuoteThere is reason to consider something possible (and likely *cough*). If you feel so strongly ignoring the possibilities of the Earth's shape than you never would have deviated from the round earth model people undoubtedly tried to indoctrinate you with. Reason to consider or not, undetectable curvature is a possibility and a window-view ignoring that curvature is not evidence against it.
The people who tried to indoctrinate the RE model into me in grade school did not support their model with conclusive evidence which I could verify for myself. This is why the RE model is rubbish. I can look out my window anytime I want to see that the earth is perfectly flat.
Why is there zero reason to consider RE? Scientists and various workers with insight to the shape of the Earth conclude it is round. Even if it is conspiracy, it would be considered.QuoteTwo reasons: It is not evidence for FE theory because it also supports RE theory.
Actually, since there is zero reason to consider RE Theory, the view out my window only supports the obvious and apparent: The Flat Earth model.
Correction. Looking at a locally flat Earth suggests that the earth is locally flat. I'm sure you understand that looking at a sphere up close will create the illusion of flatness the closer you get to the point that the eye can't differentiate.QuoteIt is not evidence for FE theory because it doesn't provide any information as to the overall shape of of the Earth
Actually, it does. Looking at a flat earth suggests that the earth is flat.
There would be breaks in the picture if the camera didn't update as frequently as it could. The panorama in this case is a new picture for every pixel you 'rotate' the view. Look at the mountains when they are on the left as opposed to middle as opposed to right. The stretch and distort depending on the angle. They are not one picture being pushed from side to side.QuoteA series of pictures of a curved horizon will always have the center vanishing point as the highest part of the curve. As a panoramic camera rotates and continually updates the horizon, we see the highest point along the whole horizon. It's not that hard.
A panorama is a series of pictures stitched together. If the earth was curved from the summit of Mt. Everest then there should be breaks between images where the horizon does not line up.
However, there are no breaks. Therefore the earth is flat.
There is reason to consider something possible (and likely *cough*). If you feel so strongly ignoring the possibilities of the Earth's shape than you never would have deviated from the round earth model people undoubtedly tried to indoctrinate you with. Reason to consider or not, undetectable curvature is a possibility and a window-view ignoring that curvature is not evidence against it.QuoteAnd you saw your yard accurately enough to know that there wasn't a .000001 degree angle of average curvature from your window?
I don't see why I consider the possibility of an undetectable amount of curvature. There is no reason to consider the ridiculous "round" model at all. I live my life upon a Flat Earth. The earth is flat wherever I go.
Thanks for addressing my post Tom. [/sarcasm]
Two reasons: It is not evidence for FE theory because it also supports RE theory. It is not evidence for FE theory because it doesn't provide any information as to the overall shape of of the Earth.QuoteYou are quite skilled at directing the conversation away from losing battles. The point is that this window experiment is not evidence. Btw, no observational evidence indicates only a flat earth and therefore is not evidence for a flat earth anymore than it is evidence for a round Earth.I don't see how it's not evidence. I looked out my window directly at the earth. The earth is flat for as far as the eye can see. This is direct personal evidence which suggests that the earth is flat.
A series of pictures of a curved horizon will always have the center vanishing point as the highest part of the curve. As a panoramic camera rotates and continually updates the horizon, we see the highest point along the whole horizon. It's not that hard.QuotePanoramas produce a moving vanishing point as a path extinguishing the view of the curved horizon.
People who look at it normally can clearly see it. Myself included.
Moving vanishing point? What?
There is no curvature in that panorama. Care to point it out for us?
And you saw your yard accurately enough to know that there wasn't a .000001 degree angle of average curvature from your window?QuoteIn the end, you have yet to answer why local linearity doesn't apply to your yard. This is what I'm concerned with in this thread so try to stay on topic.
A whole is the sum of its parts.
Looking at the sun at all stages in the sky (thru the glass) it always appears to be the same size.
Why should we even consider that the earth might be a globe if there is no verifiable evidence to do so? All observable evidence indicates a Flat Earth.You are quite skilled at directing the conversation away from losing battles. The point is that this window experiment is not evidence. Btw, no observational evidence indicates only a flat earth and therefore is not evidence for a flat earth anymore than it is evidence for a round Earth.
When I look out my window I see a Flat Earth. I see no reason to consider that the earth is round, inside out, or shaped like a porcupine.Yes you already stated that you see what you want to. I see a variety of possibilities and you limit yourself to a microscopic view. You have reason to consider a round earth because everything we observe that would give us insight to the larger view of the Earth indicates a RE. Of course these forums have many arguments to reveal possibilities of explanations for how that would work on a flat Earth. Evidence is strongest for RE at best, equal at worst.
From the coast of a beach to the summit of the tallest mountain the earth is flat for as far as the eye can see.Panoramas produce a moving vanishing point as a path extinguishing the view of the curved horizon.
If you look out your window and see a flat earth, what's the simplest explanation; that the earth is round or flat?
Is this a true story? Were you the kid? It's ok, you can tell us and we'll get in touch with social services for youIt's true. He also drank bleach, and boiling hot WD-40. Unfortunately, I still have some catching up to do.
