It will not always be visible
If it is not going to be visible, then something needs to block the view, so again, WHAT MAGIC IS BLOCKING THE VIEW?
But again, our eyes will see a rising surface which doesn’t rise at all
Our eyes show a surface with an angle to any point on the surface dictated by simple geometry.
Repeating the same lie will not help your case.
we don’t see what’s past the high up horizons, because the horizon is the limiting point of our view of things.
Because beyond that horizon the surface continues to drop beating the apparent "rise" due to perspective, with the surface obstructing the view.
The surface looks higher than it is
The surface is at the angle of elevation expected.
What you would believe is that our eyes and instruments based on our eyes, would be able to see things out to infinity just because they are not physically blocked out, so we’d see things out to infinity with our instruments, if they have the capability to see them.
Different instruments have different angular resolution. Yet this has no effect on the horizon.
We can see objects which are clearly resolvable yet the bottom is missing. Even though based upon those optics we SHOULD be able to see it if it is a flat surface, we can't because something is clearly blocking the view.
You believe everything which isn’t physically blocked out, would be seen with enough magnification.
Assuming it is bright enough, YES!
Again, what would magically stop it?
Our instruments see the same rising surface we see by eye
Again, they see the surface at the same angle based upon geometry.
This does not magically hide the surface.
instruments are based on our eyes, see what we can see, or would see if our eyes were able to magnify things we could see.
And this last part is what kills your delusional BS.
The fact they can magnify means that you can zoom in on that which you can't see with your eyes.
As a simple example, you say the horizon is magic and magically blocks things from view after a magical 3 miles, with ground beyond this magical horizon being magically hidden.
But using the above, we know that the ground, for your magical flat non-existent surface, at a distance of 5 km for an observer height of 2 m would be at an angle of dip of ~0.023 degrees. The next 5 km rises up by 0.0115 degrees, bringing the ground to an angle of dip of 0.0115 degrees.
You are implying this angle is magically too small to magically be seen by our magical eyes.
But guess what? What happens if you use an instrument to magnify it?
Lets say 100 times? Well that changes that "too small to see" 0.0115 degrees into 0.115 degrees.
What about 1000 times? Well that then goes to 1.15 degrees. Larger than the sun.
As a comparison, the distance prior to that, i.e. from 4 to 5 km, would give an angle of 0.006 degrees.
So that tiny angle of 0.006 degrees can be seen. But a larger angle of 0.0115 degrees magically can't be seen.
And when magnified to 1.15 degrees, this still magically can't be seen.
This clearly demonstrates your claim is pure BS.
Again, you need something to be blocking the view.
Appealing to an angle will not help.
Instruments cannot see through the illusions we see
This entirely depends on the illusion.
But again, we aren't discussing illusions. We are discussing basic geometry.
We always see or don’t see things which can’t explained in physical terms.
Yet the only example you can provide of this is your magical horizon, even though it is trivial to explain in physical terms if you are willing to accept reality.
Earth curves, that blocks the view. No magic needed.
When we see horizons rise up high enough to see from above them, which we cannot, as they are higher than we are
PROVE IT!
Provide an example of a horizon which appears at an angle of elevation greater than 0, which is not caused by things like mountains.
Yet again, you are lying.
The horizon, if formed from ground below you, is at a negative angle of elevation.
There doesn’t need to be a physically blocked out surface in order to not see it
Yes, it does.
Without something to block the view, there is nothing preventing the light from reaching our eyes or other device.
So assuming it is bright enough to stand out against the surroundings, or large enough to be resolvable, it will be seen.
our eyes aren’t based on what is real or physically there
Again, LYING WONT SAVE YOU!
Our eyes are based upon light travelling to them and hitting them.
This means they work based upon angles.
This means if you are standing with your eyes 2 m above the ground, then the ground below you doesn't appear 2 m below you; it appears at an angle of -90 degrees.
Assuming the ground is flat, the ground a distance of 2 m in front of you, and still 2 m below, doesn't appear 2 m below you; it appears at an angle of -45 degrees.
Our eyes work on angles.
Again, repeatedly lying to pretend our eyes are magic and don't see reality will not help you.
This leads to your misunderstanding of how illusions work
No. This leads to you blatantly lying to pretend that the surface rising is an illusion rather than basic geometry to flee from the fact that your dishonest, delusional BS cannot explain why the horizon exists.
Again, the surface "rising" is not an illusion.
It is basic geometry.
you cannot take an illusion of a rising surface and change it into a real horizon on the top of that illusion. They are both illusions, neither one is real.
Neither is an illusion.
The rising surface is basic geometry, not an illusion.
The horizon is because the surface is going down, so after enough distance it appears at a lower angle than the surface in front and is hidden from view.
But because this so clearly and trivially shows Earth is round, you need to continually lie.
If horizons were real, they wouldn’t be on top of an illusion
And they aren't. Your lies wont change that.
Horizons represent what the surface is, ... that the surface is perfectly flat and level over it.
Again, perfectly flat surfaces can't have horizons.
It is physically and geometrically impossible.
Here’s the difference we’d see in a flat surface and a curved surface.
I have already explained the difference.
A flat surface does not have a horizon. A curved surface does.