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Flight Times
« on: August 12, 2013, 05:12:46 PM »
Hello,

Please see the map on your FAQ below. A question immediately arose.

A common flight for travelers is Australia to Buenos Aires which has a flight time of 15 hours. There are no recorded instances of aircraft passing over the US and Mexico on the journey.

A flight from London in the UK to San Francisco is 11 Hours.

Some simple trig shows that the raw distance of the Oz to Buenos Aires line is over 4 times the length of the San Fran to London trip. According to your map.

Similar types of commercial jet aircraft are used to make both journeys.

Please can some one quantify this time difference with flat earth physics.

Many thanks.


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Re: Flight Times
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2013, 06:03:17 PM »
I'm still struggling to come up with an answer using this map.

I mean speed = distance / time still counts in Flat Earth Theory right?? Thats how you worked out Universal Acceleration?

Rough maths here indicates that the Oz to B A flight should take over 44 hours according to this map, not the 15 that's measured in real life examples.

Another example is Sydney to Cape Town, that's 14 hours as measured in real life but holding up a ruler to this map suggests it should be over 30.

It just doesn't seem to hold up.

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Re: Flight Times
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2013, 01:37:31 AM »
No answers from a flat earth physicist  ???

A night's sleep had me thinking about the best flight path over the flat earth map.

I used the direct route for the sake of my question but the Oz to B A flight is not marked on as is actually flown in real life. See the attached picture and link to data below.

Using Flat Earth theory can anyone explain why taking these routes on these routes are more preferable and have the shortest actual time?? If the earth is flat why are flights coming from sydney not flying over the US and Mexico??

Can anyone link to me to the flat earth explanation of this??

My apologies the map is huge. I can draw them on the flat earth map if it helps anyone.

http://openflights.org/data.html



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Re: Flight Times
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2013, 03:31:36 AM »
That map is not meant to be used for navigation.  It is only a representation for the layout of the continents. 
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Re: Flight Times
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2013, 04:30:11 AM »
Have you got a flat earth map used for aircraft navigation??

I'm very keen to see it.

I think I've shown its not an accurate repressentation of the layout of the continents in a flat world, given the differences in flight times that I've pointed out. You should really take it down from your FAQ section, or change the wording.

Assuming the world is flat, can you explain why airlines would choose to fly seemingly ineffient routes between destinations??

Can you also explain why the difference in flight times between the destinations is just 4 hours yet your map shows the first route as being a quarter of the distance of the other.
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Re: Flight Times
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2013, 05:39:54 AM »
I can show you some simple maths on here if that helps explain my question?
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Re: Flight Times
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2013, 07:10:46 AM »
Quote from: jroa on August 13, 2013, 03:31:36 AM
That map is not meant to be used for navigation.  It is only a representation for the layout of the continents.
Has any FE'er verified that the layout of the continents, as represented by any of these FE "maps", is correct?
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Re: Flight Times
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2013, 07:49:19 AM »
Quote from: danger2007 on August 13, 2013, 01:37:31 AM
No answers from a flat earth physicist  ???

A night's sleep had me thinking about the best flight path over the flat earth map.

I used the direct route for the sake of my question but the Oz to B A flight is not marked on as is actually flown in real life. See the attached picture and link to data below.

Using Flat Earth theory can anyone explain why taking these routes on these routes are more preferable and have the shortest actual time?? If the earth is flat why are flights coming from sydney not flying over the US and Mexico??

Can anyone link to me to the flat earth explanation of this??

My apologies the map is huge. I can draw them on the flat earth map if it helps anyone.

http://openflights.org/data.html



Quick tip: to resize an image, do something like this: [ img width=500 ]. It is interesting that these flight routes are the most direct ... for a globe.
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Re: Flight Times
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2013, 08:42:34 AM »
Ah cool, I'll bear that in mind.

Still no answer from the FE side of things...
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Re: Flight Times
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2013, 09:00:15 AM »
Quote from: danger2007 on August 13, 2013, 08:42:34 AM
Ah cool, I'll bear that in mind.

Still no answer from the FE side of things...

Welcome to the Flat Earth Society! Ignoring difficult questions since 2004.

Under a stream of flaws with both flat earth models, the society has, at various times, agreed that they have no idea what the Earth actually looks like except that it doesn't look like a globe. If a flat-earth advocate does 'answer', It'll probably be "Well, we don't know what the shortest route actually is, so we really can't judge on the matter."

Wow, that was a really humble FEer....
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Re: Flight Times
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2013, 10:08:18 AM »
So far I've had no substantiated response to anything I've asked.

Still, I can play Kerbal Space Program whilst I wait....
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Re: Flight Times
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2013, 10:14:02 AM »
Quote from: danger2007 on August 13, 2013, 10:08:18 AM
So far I've had no substantiated response to anything I've asked.

Still, I can play Kerbal Space Program whilst I wait....

You have already complained about not getting a response you wanted less than two hours ago.  Please don't bump your thread because you are impatient.
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Re: Flight Times
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2013, 10:16:14 AM »
Quote from: Junker on August 13, 2013, 10:14:02 AM
Quote from: danger2007 on August 13, 2013, 10:08:18 AM
So far I've had no substantiated response to anything I've asked.

Still, I can play Kerbal Space Program whilst I wait....

You have already complained about not getting a response you wanted less than two hours ago.  Please don't bump your thread because you are impatient.

We all know that if you don't bump your threads then they get forgotten and ignored.
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Re: Flight Times
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2013, 10:22:34 AM »
Quote from: REphoenix on August 13, 2013, 10:16:14 AM
Quote from: Junker on August 13, 2013, 10:14:02 AM
Quote from: danger2007 on August 13, 2013, 10:08:18 AM
So far I've had no substantiated response to anything I've asked.

Still, I can play Kerbal Space Program whilst I wait....

You have already complained about not getting a response you wanted less than two hours ago.  Please don't bump your thread because you are impatient.

We all know that if you don't bump your threads then they get forgotten and ignored.

Following up on a thread is not an issue.  Doing so in 2 hours is an issue.  This is not the place to discuss it further.
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Re: Flight Times
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2013, 10:24:42 AM »
Quote from: Junker on August 13, 2013, 10:22:34 AM
Quote from: REphoenix on August 13, 2013, 10:16:14 AM
Quote from: Junker on August 13, 2013, 10:14:02 AM
Quote from: danger2007 on August 13, 2013, 10:08:18 AM
So far I've had no substantiated response to anything I've asked.

Still, I can play Kerbal Space Program whilst I wait....

You have already complained about not getting a response you wanted less than two hours ago.  Please don't bump your thread because you are impatient.

We all know that if you don't bump your threads then they get forgotten and ignored.

Following up on a thread is not an issue.  Doing so in 2 hours is an issue.  This is not the place to discuss it further.

Fine. Answer the question then.
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Re: Flight Times
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2013, 10:27:59 AM »
I thought I gave an answer??? 
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Re: Flight Times
« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2013, 10:28:22 AM »
Quote from: REphoenix on August 13, 2013, 10:24:42 AM
Quote from: Junker on August 13, 2013, 10:22:34 AM
Quote from: REphoenix on August 13, 2013, 10:16:14 AM
Quote from: Junker on August 13, 2013, 10:14:02 AM
Quote from: danger2007 on August 13, 2013, 10:08:18 AM
So far I've had no substantiated response to anything I've asked.

Still, I can play Kerbal Space Program whilst I wait....

You have already complained about not getting a response you wanted less than two hours ago.  Please don't bump your thread because you are impatient.

We all know that if you don't bump your threads then they get forgotten and ignored.

Following up on a thread is not an issue.  Doing so in 2 hours is an issue.  This is not the place to discuss it further.

Fine. Answer the question then.

Keep in mind, that no one here owes you anything.  I would suggest you change your tone if you actually want people to respond to you.

Being that I am nice guy, I will try to help where I can.  What question is it you want answered?
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Re: Flight Times
« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2013, 10:47:28 AM »
Quote from: Junker on August 13, 2013, 10:28:22 AM
Keep in mind, that no one here owes you anything.
Quote from: Coloen Gaydafi on April 18, 2007, 07:33:00 AM
If your question has never been asked before, or if your question is commonly asked but you aren't satisfied with the answers, feel free to post it and we will try our best to answer it.


Quote from: Junker on August 13, 2013, 10:28:22 AM
Being that I am nice guy, I will try to help where I can.  What question is it you want answered?
Quote from: danger2007 on August 13, 2013, 01:37:31 AM
No answers from a flat earth physicist  ???

A night's sleep had me thinking about the best flight path over the flat earth map.

I used the direct route for the sake of my question but the Oz to B A flight is not marked on as is actually flown in real life. See the attached picture and link to data below.

Using Flat Earth theory can anyone explain why taking these routes on these routes are more preferable and have the shortest actual time?? If the earth is flat why are flights coming from sydney not flying over the US and Mexico??

Can anyone link to me to the flat earth explanation of this??

My apologies the map is huge. I can draw them on the flat earth map if it helps anyone. Click on the map for the full image.

http://openflights.org/data.html


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Re: Flight Times
« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2013, 10:52:22 AM »
Quote from: Alex Tomasovich on August 13, 2013, 10:47:28 AM
Quote from: Junker on August 13, 2013, 10:28:22 AM
Keep in mind, that no one here owes you anything.
Quote from: Coloen Gaydafi on April 18, 2007, 07:33:00 AM
If your question has never been asked before, or if your question is commonly asked but you aren't satisfied with the answers, feel free to post it and we will try our best to answer it.

Not sure what you are getting at with this quote where you can't seem to get Gayer's name correct, but it doesn't contradict what I said.


Quote from: Alex Tomasovich on August 13, 2013, 10:47:28 AM
Quote from: Junker on August 13, 2013, 10:28:22 AM
Being that I am nice guy, I will try to help where I can.  What question is it you want answered?
Quote from: danger2007 on August 13, 2013, 01:37:31 AM
No answers from a flat earth physicist  ???

A night's sleep had me thinking about the best flight path over the flat earth map.

I used the direct route for the sake of my question but the Oz to B A flight is not marked on as is actually flown in real life. See the attached picture and link to data below.

Using Flat Earth theory can anyone explain why taking these routes on these routes are more preferable and have the shortest actual time?? If the earth is flat why are flights coming from sydney not flying over the US and Mexico??

Can anyone link to me to the flat earth explanation of this??

My apologies the map is huge. I can draw them on the flat earth map if it helps anyone. Click on the map for the full image.

http://openflights.org/data.html



Quote from: jroa on August 13, 2013, 10:27:59 AM
I thought I gave an answer???


Answering in quotes is as fun as it is unhelpful.
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Re: Flight Times
« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2013, 11:42:48 AM »
On the note of impatience above I actually waited overnight (in the UK) for a response. I'd hardly call this impatient. Also when I didn't get one I provided more evidence and description to clarify my question.

Jroa: No unfortunately you did not answer my question or the others I posed afterwards, sorry I should have made this more clear.

On the subject of this : "So far I've had no substantiated response to anything I've asked.

Still, I can play Kerbal Space Program whilst I wait...."

This is a statement of fact: a) What's happened. B) what I'm doing. Not aimed to be facetious.

If you can look at the mathematics of what I've posed and discuss in some way that would be of interest to me.

[Edit] Thanks for restoring the thread! Dunno what happened there.
« Last Edit: August 13, 2013, 12:19:53 PM by danger2007 »
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Re: Flight Times
« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2013, 12:19:20 PM »
There is no Flat Earth map.
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Re: Flight Times
« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2013, 12:38:54 PM »
Quote from: Junker on August 13, 2013, 10:52:22 AM
Quote from: Alex Tomasovich on August 13, 2013, 10:47:28 AM
Quote from: Junker on August 13, 2013, 10:28:22 AM
Keep in mind, that no one here owes you anything.
Quote from: Coloen Gaydafi on April 18, 2007, 07:33:00 AM
If your question has never been asked before, or if your question is commonly asked but you aren't satisfied with the answers, feel free to post it and we will try our best to answer it.

Not sure what you are getting at with this quote where you can't seem to get Gayer's name correct, but it doesn't contradict what I said.

Oh, okay, so by saying "We will try our best to answer your questions" you mean "We won't answer any questions, but just be glad you get to bask in our presence."

I apologize for misunderstanding your question comment, and I revise:

Quote from: danger2007 on August 13, 2013, 04:30:11 AM
Have you got a flat earth map used for aircraft navigation??

I'm very keen to see it.

I think I've shown its not an accurate repressentation of the layout of the continents in a flat world, given the differences in flight times that I've pointed out. You should really take it down from your FAQ section, or change the wording.

Assuming the world is flat, can you explain why airlines would choose to fly seemingly ineffient routes between destinations??

Can you also explain why the difference in flight times between the destinations is just 4 hours yet your map shows the first route as being a quarter of the distance of the other.
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Re: Flight Times
« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2013, 12:40:38 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on August 13, 2013, 12:19:20 PM
There is no Flat Earth map.

That is a pretty big problem for you. I would fix that.
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Re: Flight Times
« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2013, 12:44:15 PM »
Quote from: Alex Tomasovich on August 13, 2013, 12:38:54 PM
Oh, okay, so by saying "We will try our best to answer your questions" you mean "We won't answer any questions, but just be glad you get to bask in our presence."
You can read into whatever you choose.  We will try to answer questions.  If you don't like or agree with the answer is another matter.

Quote from: Alex Tomasovich on August 13, 2013, 12:38:54 PM

I apologize for misunderstanding your question comment, and I revise:

Quote from: danger2007 on August 13, 2013, 04:30:11 AM
Have you got a flat earth map used for aircraft navigation??

No worries.  As has been said, there is no official flat Earth map.
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Re: Flight Times
« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2013, 12:54:48 PM »
With there being no map in existence accurately depicting a flat earth, it must be quite difficult to trust a pilot on an average commercial flight to go where their supposed to be going. How do you know they won't fly off the edge?

You've not mentioned what kind of flight / aircraft you were on Junker?

Also what makes you confident enough to even use a projected spherical earth map on this website? Your theory implies the shape of the continents may not even be true. If you have another map which you think is closer I'd be interested to see it and apply some real world examples.
« Last Edit: August 13, 2013, 01:33:24 PM by danger2007 »
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Re: Flight Times
« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2013, 02:48:45 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on August 13, 2013, 12:19:20 PM
There is no Flat Earth map.
Quote from: Junker on August 13, 2013, 12:44:15 PM
As has been said, there is no official flat Earth map.

Funny that...

On a serious note, given that maps based on a globe model are used to navigate successfully all over the world, I'd say that there may be a serious problem with FET.
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Re: Flight Times
« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2013, 02:58:31 PM »
Quote from: Scintific Method on August 13, 2013, 02:48:45 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on August 13, 2013, 12:19:20 PM
There is no Flat Earth map.
Quote from: Junker on August 13, 2013, 12:44:15 PM
As has been said, there is no official flat Earth map.

Funny that...

On a serious note, given that maps based on a globe model are used to navigate successfully all over the world, I'd say that there may be a serious problem with FET.

The lack of maps doesn't lend any strength to the theory that's for sure.

In fact how can you be sure the earth would even be a disc??
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Re: Flight Times
« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2013, 03:42:58 PM »
Quote from: Scintific Method on August 13, 2013, 02:48:45 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on August 13, 2013, 12:19:20 PM
There is no Flat Earth map.
Quote from: Junker on August 13, 2013, 12:44:15 PM
As has been said, there is no official flat Earth map.

Funny that...

On a serious note, given that maps based on a globe model are used to navigate successfully all over the world, I'd say that there may be a serious problem with FET.

Successful navigation is possible with many layouts/projections/magnetic configurations of the earth's surface.
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Re: Flight Times
« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2013, 03:58:24 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on August 13, 2013, 03:42:58 PM
Successful navigation is possible with many layouts/projections/magnetic configurations of the earth's surface.

All of which are based on a round Earth. If that was wrong, how do these maps work?
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« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2013, 03:59:56 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on August 13, 2013, 03:42:58 PM
Successful navigation is possible with many layouts/projections/magnetic configurations of the earth's surface.

Really? Care to back that up with an explanation that makes sense?
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