Mt Everest

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so say im at ....40,000 feet in an airliner i should be able to see ...say... an ice wall that happened to be there ?

Airliners don't travel that high. And you would need to be a lot further up.

Military airspace begins at 60,000 feet.

Remember that document I showed you that had a airliner that cruised at 45,000 ft?

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say you are traveling the flight that i went on if you are leaving from that far north, in RE FACT it is shorter to travel slightly north than due east... if i was travelling to western europe. in flat earth lies it would actually be more costly and slower to do so.

It's also shorter to travel from the USA to Western Europe over the north pole on the flat earth model.

Perhaps you should read the FAQ.

So why dont pilots fly that route tom?

What now Tom?

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say you are traveling the flight that i went on if you are leaving from that far north, in RE FACT it is shorter to travel slightly north than due east... if i was travelling to western europe. in flat earth lies it would actually be more costly and slower to do so.

It's also shorter to travel from the USA to Western Europe over the north pole on the flat earth model.

Perhaps you should read the FAQ.

So why dont pilots fly that route tom?

and if the north is in the center, why is it so cold if the sun passes over just as much as every other area.

Tom mate...'ave you really thought this through mate?

Like say take his argument, swap it for military aircraft at 60,0000 as opposed to civil plane.

And then think bout his argument if u need full correct info, like 25miles which u cant explain

Well obviously the military pilot would be able to see a bit further, because of less air density at that altitude. What are you trying to say?

So why dont pilots fly that route tom?

They do.

and if the north is in the center, why is it so cold if the sun passes over just as much as every other area.

Tom mate...'ave you really thought this through mate?

Read the FAQ. The sun acts as a spotlight.

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So why dont pilots fly that route tom?

They do.

Oh, so that grass I see when I'm flying, is ice, gotcha.

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Like say take his argument, swap it for military aircraft at 60,0000 as opposed to civil plane.

And then think bout his argument if u need full correct info, like 25miles which u cant explain

Well obviously the military pilot would be able to see a bit further, because of less air density at that altitude. What are you trying to say?

But you claimed that there was "some thing" that prevents you from seeing more than 25 mi. in "flat earth"

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Like say take his argument, swap it for military aircraft at 60,0000 as opposed to civil plane.

And then think bout his argument if u need full correct info, like 25miles which u cant explain

Well obviously the military pilot would be able to see a bit further, because of less air density at that altitude. What are you trying to say?

He could see everest from pretty much no matter wheres, cos less air, less distortion and the himalays are massive. I mean if u can see the great wall of china from space. By ur logic, u could see himalayas from anywhere, if there was no disortortion.

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and if the north is in the center, why is it so cold if the sun passes over just as much as every other area.

Tom mate...'ave you really thought this through mate?

Read the FAQ. The sun acts as a spotlight.

No tom....u read a the FAQ. A spotlot?? Only give out light on certain spots? why certain spots? what regulates them?

Why is the sun hot as well? what causes it's and light. Not nuclear fission or fussion or wotever it is, at the core?

But you claimed that there was "some thing" that prevents you from seeing more than 25 mi. in "flat earth"

You're pretty dense yourself. That something is atoms. And I was talking about viewing distance from sea level.

He could see everest from pretty much no matter wheres, cos less air, less distortion and the himalays are massive. I mean if u can see the great wall of china from space. By ur logic, u could see himalayas from anywhere, if there was no disortortion.

An altitude of 60,000 feet on earth isn't anywhere close to the vacuum of space. Sorry to break it to you.

do you Believe that man has been into space ?

do you Believe that man has been into space ?

What does that have to do with the topic of this thread? Start another one if you wish to go off topic.

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But you claimed that there was "some thing" that prevents you from seeing more than 25 mi. in "flat earth"

You're pretty dense yourself. That something is atoms. And I was talking about viewing distance from sea level.

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He could see everest from pretty much no matter wheres, cos less air, less distortion and the himalays are massive. I mean if u can see the great wall of china from space. By ur logic, u could see himalayas from anywhere, if there was no disortortion.

An altitude of 60,000 feet on earth isn't anywhere close to the vacuum of space. Sorry to break it to you.

Close enough though mate. The earth is flat, so with clear line of sight, I can see the end of it with a big enough telescope, because of the length in focal point.

If there's something in the air that prevents us from seeing more than 25 miles, what is it? We would have been able to identify it by now.

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do you Believe that man has been into space ?

What does that have to do with the topic of this thread? Start another one if you wish to go off topic.

I'ts my thread... ill do what i wish. do you have an answer TOMMY BOY

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do you Believe that man has been into space ?

What does that have to do with the topic of this thread? Start another one if you wish to go off topic.

says tom who cant answer a question

Read the FAQ. The sun acts as a spotlight.

Actually, that's easily proven wrong. I'm pretty sure we're all scattered across the Earth, and each have a different angle viewpoint on the Sun, and have seen it at different times of the day. Every single time, it's round, and the light comes off of it equally in all directions from all parts. Since we're all viewing it from different angles because of our varying locations, and can see it from different angles as it moves across the sky, it's shape should change. It doesn't, the Sun perfectly round from all angles and at all times of day, and projects light equally in all directions at all angles and at all times of the day. That can only happen if it is a Sphere, and projecting light across it's entire Spherical surface. The Sun is undeniably a Sphere, not a Disk.

Close enough though mate. The earth is flat, so with clear line of sight, I can see the end of it with a big enough telescope, because of the length in focal point.

Maybe if you were at an altitude of 200 nautical miles.

But at sea level, your telescope would be limited to 25 miles out. After that point atoms become too dense to see through.

If there's something in the air that prevents us from seeing more than 25 miles, what is it? We would have been able to identify it by now.

Why exactly 25miles tom?? Why tom?

Where did u get this information from?? I'm open minded...share with me ur resources

Or, even why does the sun appear to rise and set on the horizon .... not appear in the sky .....could it be that we revolve around it ... while we rotate on an axis???

If there's something in the air that prevents us from seeing more than 25 miles, what is it? We would have been able to identify it by now.

We have. They're called "atoms."

Why exactly 25miles tom?? Why tom?

Over a distance of 25 miles it becomes simply too dense to see through.

You can figure this out with simple high school math.

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Close enough though mate. The earth is flat, so with clear line of sight, I can see the end of it with a big enough telescope, because of the length in focal point.

Maybe if you were at an altitude of 200 nautical miles.

But at sea level, your telescope would be limited to 25 miles out. After that point atoms become too dense to see through.

at exactly 25miles?? Who discovered this then? where's the proof?

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If there's something in the air that prevents us from seeing more than 25 miles, what is it? We would have been able to identify it by now.

We have. They're called "atoms."

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Why exactly 25miles tom?? Why tom?

Over a distance of 25 miles it becomes simply too dense to see through.

You can figure this out with simple high school math.

Yeah? Where's that maths for it tom mate? Where's the proof. U tell us lot the text you got it from. Exactly 25miles is it?

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If there's something in the air that prevents us from seeing more than 25 miles, what is it? We would have been able to identify it by now.

We have. They're called "atoms."

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Why exactly 25miles tom?? Why tom?

The air density at sea level, may be calculated as: D = (101325) / (287.05 * (15 + 273.15)) = 1.2250 kg/m3

Over a distance of 25 miles it becomes simply too dense to see through.

Dense is the wrong word.  You make it sound as if there's a constant change in the density of the air between where you're standing and a circle 25 miles away around you, culminating in a wall.

Air is not transparent.  It is translucent.  It absorbs, refracts, and diffuses light (for examples of this, look at the sky).  If you stand more than a certain distance away, enough of the light bouncing off of an object in your direction will be absorbed, refracted, or diffused that the object is not clearly visible.  This effect will get more pronounced over longer distances, and outside of 25 miles, you can basically see squat.

my question

Here, take a look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visibility

my question

mhmm...but we can see other galaxies though? All the light travelling, through all that distoration. 25miles is nothing compared to 5billion light years

Here, take a look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visibility

ahh right...so not quite 25miles then tom mate