Mt Everest

Does it? Again, offer an explanation then.

The thing in the atmosphere that obscures your view at a distance is, you know, atoms.

My point exactly .... i want Tom and Tom only to reply with real logic...

Why does ascending increase my ability to see over long distances ?
(RE'ers know the real reason)

My point exactly .... i want Tom and Tom only to reply with real logic...

Why does ascending increase my ability to see over long distances ?
(RE'ers know the real reason)

I went outside, and didn't see the flashlight.

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Foggy day? What does that answer?

If i hold my hand over my eyes....what happens then?

It's not my fault if you can't understand that something is in the atmosphere that can obscure view over a distance.

Something? What somethings? U reckon 25miles is the longest we can see. But sun, u reckon is the sun 3000miles away. Thats even more atmosphere to look through. Hmm...bit odd

The Atmosphere gets thinner with altitude.

Yeah...i know. Said that in previous posts. If you read n listen mate.

Why does ascending increase my ability to see over long distances ?
(RE'ers know the real reason)

Atmosphere gets thinner with altitude.

Yeah...i know. Said that in previous posts. If you read n listen mate.

Then why did you ask?

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Does it? Again, offer an explanation then.

The thing in the atmosphere that obscures your view at a distance is, you know, atoms.

How can you see the sun still on a foggy day then?

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Yeah...i know. Said that in previous posts. If you read n listen mate.

Then why did you ask?

Ask what tom mate? Was tryin to get u to offer a logical explanation. But you just round in circles mate.

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Does it? Again, offer an explanation then.

The thing in the atmosphere that obscures your view at a distance is, you know, atoms.

How can you see the sun still on a foggy day then?

Sometimes you can't.

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Does it? Again, offer an explanation then.

The thing in the atmosphere that obscures your view at a distance is, you know, atoms.

How can you see the sun still on a foggy day then?

Because flat earth is better than plutonium.

so say im at ....40,000 feet in an airliner i should be able to see ...say... an ice wall that happened to be there ?

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Does it? Again, offer an explanation then.

The thing in the atmosphere that obscures your view at a distance is, you know, atoms.

How can you see the sun still on a foggy day then?

Sometimes you can't.

No, u always can. Hence light??

so say im at ....40,000 feet in an airliner i should be able to see ...say... an ice wall that happened to be there ?

What answer do you really think you'll get, there's air distortion, but I'm not sure he's explained how that works yet, has he.....

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Does it? Again, offer an explanation then.

The thing in the atmosphere that obscures your view at a distance is, you know, atoms.

How can you see the sun still on a foggy day then?

You can hold a flashlight up to the back of your fingers and, even if there is no space between your fingers, some of the light will shine through to the front (specifically, the red light).  Normally you can see nothing through your hand.

The same thing applies with the Sun.  It's so bright that you'd be amazed what you could see it through.

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Does it? Again, offer an explanation then.

The thing in the atmosphere that obscures your view at a distance is, you know, atoms.

How can you see the sun still on a foggy day then?

You can hold a flashlight up to the back of your fingers and, even if there is no space between your fingers, some of the light will shine through to the front (specifically, the red light).  Normally you can see nothing through your hand.

The same thing applies with the Sun.  It's so bright that you'd be amazed what you could see it through.

Mate...that me point. So you can see farther than 25miles on a clear day, innit?

so say im at ....40,000 feet in an airliner i should be able to see ...say... an ice wall that happened to be there ?

Airliners don't travel that high. And you would need to be a lot further up.

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Does it? Again, offer an explanation then.

The thing in the atmosphere that obscures your view at a distance is, you know, atoms.

How can you see the sun still on a foggy day then?

You can hold a flashlight up to the back of your fingers and, even if there is no space between your fingers, some of the light will shine through to the front (specifically, the red light).  Normally you can see nothing through your hand.

The same thing applies with the Sun.  It's so bright that you'd be amazed what you could see it through.

Haha, so the sun is real bright, wow. Then what about the depleting ozone layer, does that mean that there's less air crap for the sun to go through, so if we look anywhere near it, our eyes burn?

Mate...that me point. So you can see farther than 25miles on a clear day, innit?

Objects over 25 miles away generally aren't as bright as the sun.

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so say im at ....40,000 feet in an airliner i should be able to see ...say... an ice wall that happened to be there ?

Airliners don't travel that high. And you would need to be a lot further up.

Actually tom....the cruising speed for an airliner is 30,000ft, so 75% of 40,000ft, you could see everest with your argument of flat earth, less atmosphere up about n that. Come on...chop chop

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Mate...that me point. So you can see farther than 25miles on a clear day, innit?

Objects over 25 miles away aren't generally as bright as the sun.

Illiminated by the sun arent they?

What makes you think it's 25miles? Where did you hear this from Tom mate?

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so say im at ....40,000 feet in an airliner i should be able to see ...say... an ice wall that happened to be there ?

Airliners don't travel that high. And you would need to be a lot further up.

i was on a trans. Atlantic flight Newark to Charles Degaulle Paris.
cruising altitude 36,000 feet. by the way we went north off course to decrease distance because the earths measurement is shorter around the farther no you go.... why would you do that if it was flat?

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so say im at ....40,000 feet in an airliner i should be able to see ...say... an ice wall that happened to be there ?

Airliners don't travel that high. And you would need to be a lot further up.

i was on a trans. Atlantic flight Newark to Charles Degaulle Paris.
cruising altitude 36,000 feet. by the way we went north off course to decrease distance because the earths measurement is shorter around the farther no you go.... why would you do that if it was flat?

Surely it would take longer to travel the higher up you go?

Bigger the circumfrance you have to follow. Or do u mean something else?

i was on a trans. Atlantic flight Newark to Charles Degaulle Paris.
cruising altitude 36,000 feet.

And?

by the way we went north off course to decrease distance because the earths measurement is shorter around the farther no you go.... why would you do that if it was flat?

What are you talking about? Distance between points doesn't decrease with altitude in either model.

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so say im at ....40,000 feet in an airliner i should be able to see ...say... an ice wall that happened to be there ?

Airliners don't travel that high. And you would need to be a lot further up.

Tom, remember that document you accepted for 60,000 Ft? Yeah...

say you are traveling the flight that i went on if you are leaving from that far north, in RE FACT it is shorter to travel slightly north than due east... if i was travelling to western europe. in flat earth lies it would actually be more costly and slower to do so.

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i was on a trans. Atlantic flight Newark to Charles Degaulle Paris.
cruising altitude 36,000 feet.

And?

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by the way we went north off course to decrease distance because the earths measurement is shorter around the farther no you go.... why would you do that if it was flat?

What are you talking about? Distance between points doesn't decrease with altitude in either model.

Not the brighest of blokes are ya tom mate. Seem to forget what you were arguing about.

Tom, remember that document you accepted for 60,000 Ft? Yeah...

What about it? Military airspace begins at 60,000 feet.

say you are traveling the flight that i went on if you are leaving from that far north, in RE FACT it is shorter to travel slightly north than due east... if i was travelling to western europe. in flat earth lies it would actually be more costly and slower to do so.

It's also shorter to travel from the USA to Western Europe over the north pole on the flat earth model.

Perhaps you should read the FAQ.

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Tom, remember that document you accepted for 60,000 Ft? Yeah...

What about it? Military airspace begins at 60,000 feet.

That you take his example too literal.

Like say take his argument, swap it for military aircraft at 60,0000 as opposed to civil plane.

And then think bout his argument if u need full correct info, like 25miles which u cant explain