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zach3792

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« on: February 07, 2007, 06:24:36 PM »
Why is it that when the climbers that climbed Mt. Everest couldn't see off the end of the earth?

Or, why Can't i see Mt. Everest from my roof? or, even with a telescope?
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Tom Bishop

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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2007, 06:25:43 PM »
Because there is something in the atmosphere that prevents you seeing further than 25 miles in any direction on the flat earth.
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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2007, 06:26:17 PM »
Because earth is an sphere.
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edlloyd

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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2007, 06:27:35 PM »
Quote from: "zach3792"
Why is it that when the climbers that climbed Mt. Everest couldn't see off the end of the earth?

Or, why Can't i see Mt. Everest from my roof? or, even with a telescope?


I've raised this point mate. You don't get a very clear answer. I asked why can't I see France when its 70miles away from where I live on the coast on England. They reckon atmospheric distortion. Which is quite stupid. Distortion...well distorts, does not remove light. Especially as something as large at the himalayas
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zach3792

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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2007, 06:28:07 PM »
what does the vacuum, or density of the air have to do with whether or not i can see infinitely?
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Tom Bishop

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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2007, 06:29:26 PM »
Quote from: "zach3792"
what does the vacuum, or density of the air have to do with whether or not i can see infinitely?


Atoms are not transparent.  :roll:
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Ilithi

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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2007, 06:29:33 PM »
That's a very good question. I should be able to see Everest from my roof, or Europe, or at the very least, the Atlantic Ocean. I might need a pair of binoculars or a telescope to be able to make out the first two, but I'm less than six hundred miles from the Atlantic Ocean, on top of a mountain in the heart of the Appalachian Mountain range, and all of the taller mountains are in the other direction. I should be able to see the Atlantic Ocean. I can't. Just the edge of the horizon. Kinda odd, isn't it?

Edit: wow, responses to the original post sure piled up fast in here...
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edlloyd

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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2007, 06:30:24 PM »
Quote from: "Tom Bishop"
Because there is something in the atmosphere that prevents you seeing further than 25 miles in any direction on the flat earth.


That is uttlery stupid!!

U can see more than 25miles. The island where I off the coast, is 15miles and is clear as anything.

There is something? What is this something? Explain it, back up your thoery.

Might as well say it's flat because god made it. A get out clause.
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edlloyd

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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2007, 06:31:20 PM »
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Quote from: "zach3792"
what does the vacuum, or density of the air have to do with whether or not i can see infinitely?


Atoms are not transparent.  :roll:


but they are actually more space than anythng...
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Tom Bishop

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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2007, 06:31:52 PM »
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There is something? What is this something?


Take a wild guess.
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edlloyd

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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2007, 06:32:12 PM »
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Because there is something in the atmosphere that prevents you seeing further than 25 miles in any direction on the flat earth.


On Mt Everest you can see the Horizon 250miles away...by all accounts....

so...err..where do u get your information from mate?
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edlloyd

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« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2007, 06:33:07 PM »
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There is something? What is this something?


Take a wild guess.



Brilliant...it's a debate. I ask, you provide fact. You ask, I provide fact.

Its not a game. If you cant answer, admit that FE is a bit flawed.
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zach3792

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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2007, 06:33:26 PM »
Ok, Tom i'm gonna attempt to consider this theory... how far would you say i can see under ideal conditions, in earths atmosphere.
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Tom Bishop

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« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2007, 06:33:32 PM »
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but they are actually more space than anythng...


Then you should be able to see perfectly well on a foggy day, shouldn't you?
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edlloyd

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« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2007, 06:35:31 PM »
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but they are actually more space than anythng...


Then you should be able to see perfectly well on a foggy day, shouldn't you?



Foggy day? What does that answer?

If i hold my hand over my eyes....what happens then?
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Tom Bishop

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« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2007, 06:36:04 PM »
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Because there is something in the atmosphere that prevents you seeing further than 25 miles in any direction on the flat earth.


On Mt Everest you can see the Horizon 250miles away...by all accounts....

so...err..where do u get your information from mate?


The atmosphere is less dense on top of Mt. Everest.
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edlloyd

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« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2007, 06:36:33 PM »
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but they are actually more space than anythng...


Then you should be able to see perfectly well on a foggy day, shouldn't you?



Foggy day? What does that answer?

If i hold my hand over my eyes....what happens then?


Atoms are generally are of a lot of space. In response to your odd statement atoms are not transparent. Which holds no relevance to anything
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LSUTiger1712

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« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2007, 06:36:47 PM »
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but they are actually more space than anythng...


Then you should be able to see perfectly well on a foggy day, shouldn't you?



Foggy day? What does that answer?

If i hold my hand over my eyes....what happens then?


Your eyes can't see too far :D
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Ilithi

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« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2007, 06:37:04 PM »
Quote from: "edlloyd"
That is uttlery stupid!!

U can see more than 25miles. The island where I off the coast, is 15miles and is clear as anything.


Indeed, I've an excellent view from my house (and many other places around the area have them as well), and you can see as far as 15-20 miles in some spots, with absolutely no hazing or distortion. You'd be able to see further, but I'm in the heart of the Appalachian Mountain range, and they kinda block the view beyond that.

I have also seen pictures that friends have taken while on various trips, from the Rocky Mountains, to skyscrapers, forest fire watch towers, etc. where you could see 25 miles, and a little more, with absolutely no distortion. I have also been on a couple skyscrapers myself, and have been able to look out between 10 and 20 miles (if not more), with no distortion.
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Tom Bishop

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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2007, 06:37:25 PM »
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Foggy day? What does that answer?

If i hold my hand over my eyes....what happens then?


It's not my fault if you can't understand that something is in the atmosphere that can obscure view over a distance.
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zach3792

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« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2007, 06:37:58 PM »
ok, tom well try an experiment(considering FE "logic") im gonna go get on my roof ill wave a flashlight you wave back if you can see me?
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manta_ray007

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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2007, 06:38:12 PM »
Quote from: "[url
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visibility[/url]"]In extremely clean air in Arctic or mountainous areas, the visibility can be up to 70 to 100 km. However, visibility is often reduced somewhat by air pollution and high humidity.
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LSUTiger1712

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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2007, 06:38:23 PM »
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Foggy day? What does that answer?

If i hold my hand over my eyes....what happens then?


It's not my fault if you can't understand that something is in the atmosphere that can obscure view over a distance.


No, it's that stupid avatar, just because your excsuse sucks, doesn't mean you have to whine, silly tom.
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f there were an ice wall, Chuck Norris would've roundhouse kicked it by now, so there goes that theory.

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Tom Bishop

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« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2007, 06:38:42 PM »
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Atoms are generally are of a lot of space. In response to your odd statement atoms are not transparent. Which holds no relevance to anything.


It holds relevance to this entire discussion.
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LSUTiger1712

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« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2007, 06:38:56 PM »
Quote from: "zach3792"
ok, tom well try an experiment(considering FE "logic") im gonna go get on my roof ill wave a flashlight you wave back if you can see me?


Haha, I'm going to go watch. 8-)
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edlloyd

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« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2007, 06:39:36 PM »
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Because there is something in the atmosphere that prevents you seeing further than 25 miles in any direction on the flat earth.


On Mt Everest you can see the Horizon 250miles away...by all accounts....

so...err..where do u get your information from mate?


The atmosphere is less dense on top of Mt. Everest.


Still would be lookin down at the ground thoughg wouldnt you. So lookin through the fog as it were. You can 250miles up because you position raises above the curavature of the earth. Use your head mate
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edlloyd

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« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2007, 06:40:29 PM »
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Atoms are generally are of a lot of space. In response to your odd statement atoms are not transparent. Which holds no relevance to anything.


It holds relevance to this entire discussion.


Does it? Again, offer an explanation then.
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LSUTiger1712

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« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2007, 06:40:47 PM »
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Atoms are generally are of a lot of space. In response to your odd statement atoms are not transparent. Which holds no relevance to anything.


It holds relevance to this entire discussion.
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See, it's funny when people do that, you're supposed to say what relevance it holds, if any, moron, pay attention.
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f there were an ice wall, Chuck Norris would've roundhouse kicked it by now, so there goes that theory.

"I reject your reality, and substitute my own!"- Someone intelligent with a sense of humor or
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edlloyd

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« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2007, 06:42:14 PM »
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Foggy day? What does that answer?

If i hold my hand over my eyes....what happens then?


It's not my fault if you can't understand that something is in the atmosphere that can obscure view over a distance.



Something? What somethings? U reckon 25miles is the longest we can see. But sun, u reckon is the sun 3000miles away. Thats even more atmosphere to look through. Hmm...bit odd
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Tom Bishop

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« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2007, 06:43:35 PM »
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Foggy day? What does that answer?

If i hold my hand over my eyes....what happens then?


It's not my fault if you can't understand that something is in the atmosphere that can obscure view over a distance.



Something? What somethings? U reckon 25miles is the longest we can see. But sun, u reckon is the sun 3000miles away. Thats even more atmosphere to look through. Hmm...bit odd


The atmosphere gets thinner with altitude.
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