Speeding ice wall, and a couple of huge centrifuges

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Speeding ice wall, and a couple of huge centrifuges
« on: February 07, 2007, 03:35:44 AM »
Flat Earth's circumfence according to the FAQ is 78225 miles. With one revolution per 24 hours (FE spins according to this model) the ice wall at the edge of the Earth is travelling at about 3260mph (5244km/h). That's over three times faster than the speed of the equator in RE. From that funny anecdote we can leap straight to the gigantic centrifuge matter.

On RE a weight of an object is about 0.5% lighter at the equator than on the north pole, partly because spinning RE acts as a centrifuge. Another reason adding to this phenomenon is that equator is further away from the mass center of the Earth than the north pole, but that's another story. And no, you don't have to go to the north pole in order to measure this. It's quite sufficient to go to some area along the arctic circle, like Iceland, Norway, Siberia, Alaska, Canada etc., and then go to the equator to do a comparison. Difference will be a little smaller, but it is there. You should also be able to notice a difference of 0.2% in objects' weight even within the US borders. More info on the subject:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acceleration_due_to_gravity
http://www.space-electronics.com/Literature/Precise_Measurement_of_Mass.PDF

Of course you won't be able to measure such differences in weight on FE, because g is constant in the FE theory. But FE being a large spinning disc, creating even larger centrifuge than RE, you should be able to measure differences in forces needed to travel in the south north direction. If you were on the ice wall at the edge of the Earth, pulling a 100kg load in a sled to north would be about 1kg heavier than pulling the same sled south. Of course I can't expect anyone to go to the ice wall and measure this, but the difference should be quite measurable in Cape Horn in Chile, and probably also in South Africa, Australia and New Zealand. Anyone willing to try this?
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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2007, 06:52:57 AM »
Who said the FE makes a revolution every day?


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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2007, 07:48:50 AM »
Tom Bishop would be my guess.

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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2007, 09:06:40 AM »
Well, Tom is um, special.


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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2007, 11:39:36 AM »
This is a piggyback question to a previous post of mine that generated a topic on pain.

If I ran face first into the ice wall, what would happen?

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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2007, 12:31:41 PM »
Bishop is forever pulling bizarre bullshit out of his ass when someone backs him into a corner.
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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2007, 01:24:19 PM »
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This is a piggyback question to a previous post of mine that generated a topic on pain.

If I ran face first into the ice wall, what would happen?


You'd hurt yourself, probably.

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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2007, 01:25:30 PM »
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Quote from: "ceez_says_doh"
This is a piggyback question to a previous post of mine that generated a topic on pain.

If I ran face first into the ice wall, what would happen?


You'd hurt yourself, probably.

And everyone who saw it would go  :lol: and point.
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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2007, 01:38:08 PM »
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Quote from: "BOGWarrior89"
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This is a piggyback question to a previous post of mine that generated a topic on pain.

If I ran face first into the ice wall, what would happen?


You'd hurt yourself, probably.

And everyone who saw it would go  :lol: and point.


And, if he fell onto the floor, they just might call an ambulance.

By the way, why does something that helps you after you're injured (ambulance) have a weapon in it's name (ambulance)?

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« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2007, 12:03:58 AM »
Back to the topic, please.

Quote from: "TheEngineer"
Well, Tom is um, special.


So, you're saying that the FE model of stationary sun and revolving Earth is not correct?
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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2007, 01:30:22 AM »
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Back to the topic, please.

Quote from: "TheEngineer"
Well, Tom is um, special.


So, you're saying that the FE model of stationary sun and revolving Earth is not correct?


As far as I'm aware, the generally accepted model has the Earth rotating, and the sun circling.

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« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2007, 01:41:37 AM »
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Quote from: "Grigori Rasputin"
Back to the topic, please.

Quote from: "TheEngineer"
Well, Tom is um, special.


So, you're saying that the FE model of stationary sun and revolving Earth is not correct?


As far as I'm aware, the generally accepted model has the Earth rotating, and the sun circling.


Actually, the generally accepted model is that the Earth is a sphere. ;)

What - if anything - indicates that FE is rotating anyway? Or that the FE sun is circling?
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« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2007, 01:44:23 AM »
Quote from: "Grigori Rasputin"
Actually, the generally accepted model is that the Earth is a sphere. ;)

What - if anything - indicates that FE is rotating anyway? Or that the FE sun is circling?


Oops! And here I was thinking you were actually interested in knowing about what you're debating. Seems I was mistaken again (and not for the first time with an RE)

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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2007, 02:10:07 AM »
Quote from: "Rick_James"
Quote from: "Grigori Rasputin"
Actually, the generally accepted model is that the Earth is a sphere. ;)

What - if anything - indicates that FE is rotating anyway? Or that the FE sun is circling?


Oops! And here I was thinking you were actually interested in knowing about what you're debating. Seems I was mistaken again (and not for the first time with an RE)


Sorry for trying to be funny, obviously I failed miserably.  :(

Anyway, I have now underlined the question part of my previous post for your convenience. I'd very much like to know more about the subject.
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« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2007, 06:22:17 AM »
Quote from: "Grigori Rasputin"

What - if anything - indicates that FE is rotating anyway?

I believe Tom would say that a Foucault Pendulum indicates that Earth is rotating.

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« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2007, 02:09:11 PM »
Quote from: "Ambassadork"
Quote from: "Grigori Rasputin"

What - if anything - indicates that FE is rotating anyway?

I believe Tom ... Foucault Pendulum


Tom, don't make me get the duct tape.

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« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2007, 04:44:04 PM »
Quote from: "BOGWarrior89"
Quote from: "Ambassadork"
Quote from: "Grigori Rasputin"

What - if anything - indicates that FE is rotating anyway?

I believe Tom ... Foucault Pendulum


Tom, don't make me get the duck tape.

Ummm... wait!

Are you suggesting that douchenozzle Tom and I are the same person?

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« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2007, 04:48:33 PM »
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Hard to argue with that logic :roll:

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« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2007, 08:24:07 PM »
Quote from: "Ambassadork"
Quote from: "BOGWarrior89"
Quote from: "Ambassadork"
Quote from: "Grigori Rasputin"

What - if anything - indicates that FE is rotating anyway?

I believe Tom ... Foucault Pendulum


Tom, don't make me get the duck tape.

Ummm... wait!

Are you suggesting that douchenozzle Tom and I are the same person?


No.

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« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2007, 09:14:24 PM »
Quote from: "BOGWarrior89"

Tom, don't make me get the duck tape.

It's duct tape damn it! :evil:


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« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2007, 09:16:12 PM »
Quote from: "Ambassadork"
Quote from: "Grigori Rasputin"

What - if anything - indicates that FE is rotating anyway?

I believe Tom would say that a Foucault Pendulum indicates that Earth is rotating.


Ok... does anyone else besides Tom actually believe that the FE rotates?

Quote from: "TheEngineer"
Who said the FE makes a revolution every day?


So are you saying that it doesn't rotate, or that it rotates slower?
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« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2007, 09:18:46 PM »
Yes, it rotates, just not like Tom says.


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« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2007, 09:38:03 PM »
Quote from: "TheEngineer"
Yes, it rotates, just not like Tom says.


Care to elaborate? Speed of rotation and how it's determined?
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« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2007, 09:49:27 PM »
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Quote from: "BOGWarrior89"

Tom, don't make me get the duck tape.

It's duct tape damn it! :evil:


Red Green would be ashamed ...

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« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2007, 01:55:01 AM »
Quote from: "Grigori Rasputin"
Quote from: "TheEngineer"
Yes, it rotates, just not like Tom says.


Care to elaborate? Speed of rotation and how it's determined?


TheEngineer? Anyone?
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« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2007, 10:13:58 PM »
Quote from: "Rick_James"
Quote from: "Grigori Rasputin"
Actually, the generally accepted model is that the Earth is a sphere. ;)

What - if anything - indicates that FE is rotating anyway? Or that the FE sun is circling?


Oops! And here I was thinking you were actually interested in knowing about what you're debating. Seems I was mistaken again (and not for the first time with an RE)


I already said I was sorry about the remark of the generally accepted model. What more do you want me to do to get an answer to my question? Or was that just an excuse to dismiss yourself from this debate? Would've been nice to have someone like yourself from "down under" here to prove via experiment if the FE is in fact acting as a huge centrifuge...  :roll:
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« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2007, 10:21:27 PM »
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Would've been nice to have someone like yourself from "down under" here to prove via experiment if the FE is in fact acting as a huge centrifuge...


Why should you trust an FE proponent not to skew the results in favor of a flat earth?

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« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2007, 10:34:32 PM »
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Would've been nice to have someone like yourself from "down under" here to prove via experiment if the FE is in fact acting as a huge centrifuge...


Why should you trust an FE proponent not to skew the results in favor of a flat earth?


Why not? Are you saying FEers can't be trusted?
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« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2007, 10:42:33 PM »
Quote from: "TheEngineer"
Quote from: "BOGWarrior89"

Tom, don't make me get the duck tape.

It's duct tape damn it! :evil:


Don't mess with him, he knows what he's talking about.  :lol:
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« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2007, 12:08:08 AM »
Quote from: "Grigori Rasputin"
Quote from: "Grigori Rasputin"
Quote from: "TheEngineer"
Yes, it rotates, just not like Tom says.


Care to elaborate? Speed of rotation and how it's determined?


TheEngineer? Anyone?


Should I just assume that the exact speed of FE rotation is unknown, and that there is no way to determine it? How can this be? Even if FE rotates slower than one revolution per 24 hours, it should still act as a centrifuge, right? The effect would just be smaller.

Or if the rotational speed cannot be determined, how can TheEngineer - or anyone else for that matter - be sure that it actually rotates at all?
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