Flat Earth swallowed by the Sun.

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Flat Earth swallowed by the Sun.
« on: May 17, 2025, 03:57:36 PM »
The possibility of the Earth being swallowed by the Sun is not exclusive to the globe theory.



Celestial bodies with regular orbits (like the Sun) rises at one of the gates in the ground to the east beyond Antichtone/Mu, follow the eastern path through the zone between the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn, always making their natural variations according to the time of year. They sets at the easternmost part of the opening in the center of the Earth's plane, rise at the westernmost part of the opening in the center of the Earth's plane, follow the western path continuing in the zone between the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn, sets at one of the gates to the west beyond Antichtone, and pass beneath the Earth at a speed of 20000 km per second (the actual diameter of the Earth is only 20000 km), causing the celestial bodies to accelerate and rises on the other side almost instantaneously.  The natural speed of celestial bodies is ≈ 20000 km/s and the resistance generated by the high density of aether above the Earth's surface reduces the speed of celestial bodies to ≈ 1670 km/h (0,464 km/s).


《The sun rises, and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises.》
– Eclesiastes 1:5



Sunsets do not occur at the same time all over the Earth for three main reasons:
1) The higher the altitude, the greater the density of the aether layers. The higher the density, the more the speed of light is reduced, resulting in a delay in apparent sunset at higher altitudes.

2) The closer the observer is to the edges, the greater the density of the aether layers. The greater the density, the more the speed of light is reduced, generating a delay in apparent sunset at longitudes closer to the edges.

3) Aether currents below the flat Earth conduct sunlight to the opposite side of the Earth plane, causing the Sun to simultaneously rise on one side and set on the other.

The Sun is less than 1 km in diameter. Beyond the inner and outer edges is an ocean, and the Sun goes underwater when it sets, allowing the small Sun to continue replenishing its hydrogen needed to carry out nuclear fusion.

Water on the Sun:
https://solar-center.stanford.edu/news/sunwater.html

The Sun is composed primarily of hydrogen, helium, and oxygen. The Sun's primary elements (oxygen and hydrogen) are the same elements that compose the water.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Tables/suncomp.html

Every time the Sun comes into contact with water, it becomes bigger, stronger and hotter, and this is why the Sun can swallow the flat Earth in the future.
https://www.wtamu.edu/~cbaird/sq/mobile/2015/06/30/how-large-would-a-bucket-of-water-have-to-be-to-put-out-the-sun/

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Re: Flat Earth swallowed by the Sun.
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2025, 04:19:15 PM »
The possibility of the Earth being swallowed by the Sun is not exclusive to the globe theory.
No, it is exclusive to models where the sun is larger than Earth, i.e. where the sun is large enough to swallow Earth.

In the FE fantasy, the sun is typically tiny and so incapable of swallowing Earth.

Sunsets do not occur at the same time all over the Earth for three main reasons:
The main ones being the fact Earth is round, and the axis of Earth's rotation is tilted relative to the axis of the orbit.
No need for any of your magic which you can't explain or justify.

The Sun is less than 1 km in diameter. Beyond the inner and outer edges is an ocean, and the Sun goes underwater when it sets, allowing the small Sun to continue replenishing its hydrogen needed to carry out nuclear fusion.
If you are going to have the sun be less than 1 km in diameter, it isn't large enough to sustain nuclear fusion.
« Last Edit: May 18, 2025, 01:10:05 AM by JackBlack »

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Re: Flat Earth swallowed by the Sun.
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2025, 08:15:39 PM »
Interesting insight. Has anyone been to antichone?

Re: Flat Earth swallowed by the Sun.
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2025, 09:12:05 PM »
Blah blah blah

<<"No, it is exclusive to models where the sun is larger than Earth, i.e. where the sun is large enough to swallow Earth.

In the FE fantasy, the sun is typically tiny and so incapable of swallowing Earth.">>

Every time the Sun sets, the Sun goes underwater, and the water causes it to grow in size. In the future, the Sun could become large enough to swallow the Earth.

<<"The main ones being the fact Earth is round, and the axis of Earth's rotation is tilted relative to the axis of the orbit.
No need for any of your magic which you can't explain or justify.">>
Every time you run out of arguments to try to debunk me, you give a globularist explanation and say something like "there's no need for magic". It's a clear sign that you're losing.

<<"If you are going to have the sun be less than 1 km in diameter, it isn't large enough to sustain nuclear fusion.">>

Nuclear fusion requires extreme pressure and high temperatures to occur.
The Sun can make nuclear fusion even though it is less than 1 km in diameter because of the colossal density and pressure of the aether.
Visual phenomena and radical variations in speed in the Sun's orbit allow us to know the density of aether in the region of the universe where the Sun is.

1) INVERTED DENSITY.
● The layers of the atmosphere are torus-shaped (the shape of the first firmament) and the density of the atmosphere decreases as it approaches the first firmament.
● The layers of aether are toroid-shaped and the density of aether increases as it approaches the first firmament. The density of the lowest layer of aether is twice the average density of the troposphere. Therefore, refraction behaves as if the atmosphere had "inverted density".
https://youtube.com/shorts/CL_I8_nDzh4?si=gW1rSXD7VccI_O-Q

Approximate density of aether in the troposphere:
2,45 kg/m^3 (1,225 kg/m^3 × 2)


2) SPEED OF CELESTIAL BODIES.
● The natural speed of celestial bodies is ≈ 20000 km/s.
● The resistance generated by the density of the aether reduces the speed of celestial bodies to ≈ 1670 km/h (0,464 km/s).

D = 20000^2/0,464^2 
D = 400000000/0,215296
D = 1857907253,2699
Therefore, the density of aether in the region where the Sun is located will be approximately 1857907253,2699 times the aether density in a no-resistance scenario (± the aether density in the troposphere).
D = 4551872770,51 kg/m^3

The density of 4551872770,51 kg/m^3 is much greater than the density of the giant Sun's core in the globe model (150000 kg/m^3).

And fix the rest of your post because it's confusing and incomplete.

« Last Edit: May 17, 2025, 09:21:11 PM by AnneFrothingslosh »

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Re: Flat Earth swallowed by the Sun.
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2025, 11:19:15 PM »
I'm very curious about this line:

3) Aether currents below the flat Earth conduct sunlight to the opposite side of the Earth plane, causing the Sun to simultaneously rise on one side and set on the other.

This is actually a theory put forth about 15 years ago around aetheric influence on light. I'd like to know more on your take, because we are all here trying to do the same thing - figure it out.

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Re: Flat Earth swallowed by the Sun.
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2025, 11:21:03 PM »
Interesting insight. Has anyone been to antichone?
Eh, she wasn't my type; she was a bit too into death and defiance for my taste. Great at standing up to authority, terrible at dinner parties.
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Re: Flat Earth swallowed by the Sun.
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2025, 01:21:04 AM »
Every time the Sun sets, the Sun goes underwater, and the water causes it to grow in size. In the future, the Sun could become large enough to swallow the Earth.
Then why doesn't anyone see it growing in size?

Every time you run out of arguments to try to debunk me
And when has that ever happened?

Nuclear fusion requires extreme pressure and high temperatures to occur.
Yes, and in the sun that is caused by the gravitational pull of all that mass.
Taking that away you need to resort to even more magic.

The Sun can make nuclear fusion even though it is less than 1 km in diameter because of the colossal density and pressure of the aether.
And does that also apply when it sets into Earth and goes underwater?
If so, why isn't all that water undergoing fusion?

Visual phenomena and radical variations in speed in the Sun's orbit allow us to know the density of aether in the region of the universe where the Sun is.
Sure, its 0, as aether doesn't exist.

What you are saying is not things you know, it is wild speculation you cannot justify at all.

Approximate density of aether in the troposphere:
2,45 kg/m^3 (1,225 kg/m^3 × 2)
Based on what?
Show the math of how this number is derived.

● The natural speed of celestial bodies is ≈ 20000 km/s.
Again, based on what?

● The resistance generated by the density of the aether reduces the speed of celestial bodies to ≈ 1670 km/h (0,464 km/s).
Again, based on what?

D = 20000^2/0,464^2
Why?

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Re: Flat Earth swallowed by the Sun.
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2025, 01:51:16 AM »
Blah blah blah


Meaning of “blah blah blah” in flat-earthers' language: “A discourse I don't understand – or I don't WANT to understand – and/or I'm not able to find a coherent reply to.

That said, a Sun 1 km in diameter should be at about 100 km (check this with some mountain 100 km away and 1 km high. It will appear with about the same apparent size as the Sun). But then, if it's at zenith in a certain location, it should appear with an altitude of about 45° in any other place 100 km away (and it could be triangulated with a baseline of just a few km). Can Anne explain why this doesn't happen?

(why am I wasting my time writing this? People such as Anne don't worry a bit about being logical and consistent. They go on freewheeling, inventing the most fantastical things and calling them “a theory”)

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Re: Flat Earth swallowed by the Sun.
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2025, 02:22:13 AM »
Meaning of “blah blah blah” in flat-earthers' language: “A discourse I don't understand – or I don't WANT to understand – and/or I'm not able to find a coherent reply to.
Just to play devils advocate, in this case I screwed up the end quote and they just cut out my response and copy pasted bits below. So I understand.

Can Anne explain why this doesn't happen?
Depends on what you mean by "explain".
They appeal to a magical aether that magically makes the FE produce the results expected directly for a round Earth.

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Re: Flat Earth swallowed by the Sun.
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2025, 05:48:43 AM »
Every time the Sun sets, the Sun goes underwater, and the water causes it to grow in size. In the future, the Sun could become large enough to swallow the Earth.
Every time the sun sets for one part of the earth, it’s high noon for another part and rising for yet another, all at the same time.  Have you never heard the expression that the sun never sets on the British Empire?
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Re: Flat Earth swallowed by the Sun.
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2025, 12:52:34 PM »
@JackBlack

<<"Then why doesn't anyone see it growing in size?">>
The increase in size is very gradual and takes hundreds or even thousands of years.

<<"And when has that ever happened?">>
You were just repeating the globe's explanation of sunrise/sunset because you don't know how to refute my wonderful explanation involving aether.

<<"Yes, and in the sun that is caused by the gravitational pull of all that mass.
Taking that away you need to resort to even more magic.">>
It's not magic, it's density.

<<"And does that also apply when it sets into Earth and goes underwater?
If so, why isn't all that water undergoing fusion?">>
Why should water undergo nuclear fusion? Water marks the point at which the density and pressure of the aether begins to become low.

<<"Sure, its 0, as aether doesn't exist.

What you are saying is not things you know, it is wild speculation you cannot justify at all.">>
It is obvious that aether exists, it is the cause behind several phenomena, especially those considered "supernatural", it is the most beautiful representation of Occam's Razor.
And of course I can justify it, the radical variations in the Sun's orbit for example are necessary to explain the fact that the Sun rises in the east of the Earth shortly after setting in the west of the Earth. The Sun accelerates at 20000 km/s and passes under the Earth.

<<"Based on what?
Show the math of how this number is derived.">>
The refraction and atmospheric phenomena of the flat Earth work as if the atmosphere were inverted, with the densest layers above and the least dense below, but it is obvious that this pattern is impossible in the face of gravity/UA. Meanwhile, unlike the atmosphere, the densest layers of aether are above and the least dense layers below, so it is logical to assume that the aether invalidates and inverts the atmospheric phenomena. In order for the aether to be able to nullify the effects of the atmosphere, it must have the same density as the atmosphere, and in order for it to be able to do the opposite of what the atmosphere does, it needs to be stronger than the atmosphere, that is: twice as dense as the atmosphere.
Density of the atmosphere at sea level = 1,225 kg/m^3
Aether density at sea level = 1,225 kg/m^3 × 2 = 2,45 kg/m^3

<<"Again, based on what?">>
It is a logical assumption to explain the mechanics behind the radical changes in the Sun's speed along its orbit (1670 km/h above the Earth and 20000 km/s below the Earth). The aether is assumed to be rarefied below the Earth's level and extremely dense above the Earth, which is why the Sun's natural speed is probably 20000 km/s (20000 km is the diameter of the flat Earth) and the resistance generated by the aether reduces the speed to 1670 km/h.

<<"Why?">>
This calculation is done to find the density of aether by taking the ratio between velocities and multiplying the ratio by the density of aether at sea level.
1670 km/h = 0,464 km/s
D = 20000^2/0,464^2
D = 400000000/0,215296
D = 1857907253,2699
Therefore, the density of aether in the region where the Sun is located will be approximately 1857907253,2699 times the density of the ether in a no-resistance scenario.
D = 1857907253,2699 × 2,45 kg/m^3 (aether density at sea level)
D = 4551872770,51 kg/m^3


Re: Flat Earth swallowed by the Sun.
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2025, 01:54:23 PM »
Every time the Sun sets, the Sun goes underwater, and the water causes it to grow in size. In the future, the Sun could become large enough to swallow the Earth.
Every time the sun sets for one part of the earth, it’s high noon for another part and rising for yet another, all at the same time.  Have you never heard the expression that the sun never sets on the British Empire?




Celestial bodies with regular orbits (like the Sun) rises at one of the gates in the ground to the east beyond Antichtone/Mu, follow the eastern path through the zone between the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn, always making their natural variations according to the time of year. They sets at the easternmost part of the opening in the center of the Earth's plane, rise at the westernmost part of the opening in the center of the Earth's plane, follow the western path continuing in the zone between the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn, sets at one of the gates to the west beyond Antichtone, and pass beneath the Earth at a speed of 20000 km per second (the actual diameter of the Earth is only 20000 km), causing the celestial bodies to accelerate and rises on the other side almost instantaneously.  The natural speed of celestial bodies is ≈ 20000 km/s and the resistance generated by the high density of aether above the Earth's surface reduces the speed of celestial bodies to ≈ 1670 km/h (0,464 km/s).


《The sun rises, and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises.》
– Eclesiastes 1:5


Sunsets do not occur at the same time all over the Earth for three main reasons:
1) The higher the altitude, the greater the density of the aether layers. The higher the density, the more the speed of light is reduced, resulting in a delay in apparent sunset at higher altitudes.

2) The closer the observer is to the edges, the greater the density of the aether layers. The greater the density, the more the speed of light is reduced, generating a delay in apparent sunset at longitudes closer to the edges.

3) Aether currents below the flat Earth conduct sunlight to the opposite side of the Earth plane, causing the Sun to simultaneously rise on one side and set on the other.


Re: Flat Earth swallowed by the Sun.
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2025, 02:20:18 PM »
Blah blah blah


Meaning of “blah blah blah” in flat-earthers' language: “A discourse I don't understand – or I don't WANT to understand – and/or I'm not able to find a coherent reply to.

That said, a Sun 1 km in diameter should be at about 100 km (check this with some mountain 100 km away and 1 km high. It will appear with about the same apparent size as the Sun). But then, if it's at zenith in a certain location, it should appear with an altitude of about 45° in any other place 100 km away (and it could be triangulated with a baseline of just a few km). Can Anne explain why this doesn't happen?

(why am I wasting my time writing this? People such as Anne don't worry a bit about being logical and consistent. They go on freewheeling, inventing the most fantastical things and calling them “a theory”)

*In this case I just put "blah blah blah" so I wouldn't have to quote the entire answer.

*I didn't say that the Sun is exactly 1 km in diameter, I said that the Sun is less than 1 km in diameter.
The altitude of the Sun varies greatly throughout its orbit, and reaches a maximum of ≈ 12 km.
Taking into account that the Sun reaches about 12 km in height at the highest peak of its orbit and that its angular diameter is 0,26645º, we can calculate the exact diameter:
12 × sin(0,26645) = 0,0558049564 km
0,0558049564 km ≈ 55 meters.

*Your statement about the apparent position of the Sun does not hold up given the fact that beyond the first firmament we have a layer of aether with a density of 4551872770,51 kg/m^3 that refracts light radically.

Re: Flat Earth swallowed by the Sun.
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2025, 02:31:47 PM »
Jackblack is taking a while to respond, he's probably sleeping... little does he know that aether can provide us with energy and drastically reduce the need for sleep.

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Re: Flat Earth swallowed by the Sun.
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2025, 02:33:30 PM »
The increase in size is very gradual and takes hundreds or even thousands of years.
So you are saying a tiny sun, that goes into a massive amount of water each night is not significantly increased in size from that?

You were just repeating the globe's explanation of sunrise/sunset because you don't know how to refute my wonderful explanation involving aether.
You don't have an explanation.
You have a pile of vague crap, built upon nothing more than your hopes and dreams, where issues have already been pointed out.
You are yet to provide a coherent explanation which has any chance of working.

And what makes it more ridiculous is you now contradict it.
You previously had it just going under Earth, to rapidly fly to the other side.
But now you want it in water.

It's not magic, it's density.
No, it's pure magic. As you are yet to explain what causes this density, and what holds it there.

Why should water undergo nuclear fusion? Water marks the point at which the density and pressure of the aether begins to become low.
So you are saying when it sets the fusion stops. And then it suddenly starts again when it rises?
Again, you are just layering on more and more magic to have your fantasy do whatever is needed.

It is obvious that aether exists
No, it isn't.
It is obvious it doesn't exist, from the experimental results which are inherently contradictory under a model of aether.
There is no need to invoke it for any phenomenon.
Dismissal of it is an example of Occam's razor.
Look at all the magic you need to invoke to try to prop up your model. Magic you have no evidence for at all.

Vs the vastly simpler RE model with no magic aether at all.

And of course I can justify it, the radical variations in the Sun's orbit for example are necessary to explain the fact that the Sun rises in the east of the Earth shortly after setting in the west of the Earth.
That isn't justifying it. That is further demonstrating how your nonsense violates Occam's razor.
You have a massive problem with the sun setting on your flat Earth, so you need to invent more magical nonsense to try to prop it up.
That is not justifying your nonsense, it is showing your nonsense is likely wrong.

So no, you have nothing to justify it. You have a broken model which requires this nonsense to pretend it works. And even with it you still can't provide a coherent explanation.

The refraction and atmospheric phenomena of the flat Earth work as if the atmosphere were inverted
Considering there is nothing to indicate Earth is flat, and this is now appealing to even more nonsense to further complicate your model, Occam's razor says I should discard it.

And look at what you are doing, you still aren't providing anything to actually justify it.
You have taken the density of the atmosphere, and just multiplied it by 2.
WHY?
Why 2? Why not 1.1? Why not 100000000000000000000000000000000?
You have no basis for any of it.
You don't even have a relationship between the density of the aether and the refractive index of it. That could allow it to be multiplied by 0.000000000000001
And you have no experimental observation or model showing it has to be this number.

You are just baselessly asserting crap.

And to further complicate your crap, you even have your model still have aether as well as the air, which you are just ignoring.

It is a logical assumption
No, it isn't.
It is a completely illogical leap to try to prop up a failing model.
Even appealing to it, you still can't explain anything with it.
You just provide it as vague crap to pretend your model works.

Even your attempts to pretend to justify it rely on more baseless crap.

the Sun's natural speed is probably 20000 km/s
Why? Again, you just baselessly assert this, without any justification at all.
And no, saying it goes the entire diameter of Earth (which would normally be 40 000 km) in a second is not justification.
What magic is making it move? What magic is accelerating it?
How does it just accelerate instantaneously?
What about the distance going from above Earth to below?

The only number you are even close to being able to justify is the 1670 km/hr.

But that is just for the equinox when it is going along the equator, and is the speed of the subsolar point along Earth.
But going away from the equinox, this gets slower.

And this is also where your model falls apart.
You claim the diameter is 20 000 km. And the sun takes 24 hours to traverse above, over that distance.
But 24 hours, at 1670 km/hr is closer to 40 000 km. Where did the extra 20 000 km go?

This calculation is done to find the density of aether by taking the ratio between velocities and multiplying the ratio by the density of aether at sea level.
Which does not explain why.
Again, you are just asserting crap.

Why should the velocity squared be based upon the ratio of the densities?
Why are you using the velocity allegedly in its natural state which presumable would have no aether; but which you have now tried saying is actually water; along with the alleged density of the aether at sea level?

You aren't explaining anything, you aren't justifying anything. You are just providing more baseless crap.

*Your statement about the apparent position of the Sun does not hold up given the fact that beyond the first firmament we have a layer of aether with a density of 4551872770,51 kg/m^3 that refracts light radically.
i.e. your model is wrong so you will assert more nonsense to pretend it isn't.
Again, Occam's razor says all that shuold be discarded.

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Re: Flat Earth swallowed by the Sun.
« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2025, 02:36:05 PM »
Doesn’t matter, flat earth proves you can’t fix stupid.

The sun is always visible somewhere on the earth.  Depending on the time of year and location, some places see the sun whole days without the sun setting. 




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Re: Flat Earth swallowed by the Sun.
« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2026, 11:47:35 PM »
Dismissal of it [aether] is an example of Occam's razor. Look at all the magic you need to invoke to try to prop up your model.

 Jack, you keep hiding behind Occam’s Razor, but you don’t even know how to use the blade. Which is simpler: that we are standing on a stationary, level plane just as our senses confirm every second of our lives? Or that we are spinning at 1,000 mph, orbiting at 67,000 mph, and spiraling through a void at 500,000 mph—none of which can be felt, measured, or proven by a single mechanical experiment? Your "simplicity" requires a massive infrastructure of invisible forces like Gravity to hold water to a ball. That isn't simplicity; it's a Mathematical Patchwork for a failed geometry. Scientific Bankruptcy: Confirmed.


 
No, it's pure magic. As you are yet to explain what causes this density, and what holds it there.

 
  • The Aetheric Audit: You call Aether magic, yet your own high-priests of physics had to invent "Dark Matter" because their gravity math couldn't explain why galaxies don't fly apart. Dark Matter is just the "Aether" with a coat of paint to keep the Globe funding alive. Aether is the Non-Material Fluidum that allows for wave propagation. Without it, light has no medium to travel through. It is the density of this medium that governs the Permittivity and Permeability of space. It’s not magic; it’s Maxwellian Electrodynamics that you've been taught to ignore. Inquiry Failure: Exposed.


 
Where did the extra 20 000 km go? [Regarding Sun's speed]

 
  • The Velocity Fallacy: You are calculating the Sun's speed based on a Equirectangular Projection of a Globe, Jack. On the Flat Earth, the Sun follows an Aetheric Vortex that changes radius between the Tropics. Its speed and path are governed by the electromagnetic flux of the Earth’s central North Pole (the magnetic source). The "missing 20,000 km" only exists in your broken math because you refuse to account for Atmospheric Lensing and the Sun’s actual local height. You are trying to measure a local lightbulb using the math of a distant star. Hardware Audit: Failed.


 
The refraction and atmospheric phenomena... Occam's razor says I should discard it.

 
  • The Refraction Audit: You want to discard refraction? Fine. Then explain why every long-distance observation across water shows zero curvature. You can see the Chicago skyline from 60 miles away, or the Isle of Wight from the French coast. By your math, these should be hidden by thousands of feet of curvature. To "save" your Globe, you have to invent "Standard Refraction" to magically bend light around the ball. You are the one complicating the model to hide the flat truth. Logical Collapse: Confirmed.


 Jack, you are a man trapped in a 16th-century simulation. You call the medium of the universe "baseless crap" while you pray to a vacuum that somehow doesn't suck the air off your spinning marble.

Actually, it’s quite simple: Aether exists because waves need a medium. The Earth is flat because water is level. Your math is just a way to make the impossible sound "academic."

Stop the "Occam" posturing and explain how a vacuum can exist next to a pressurized gas without a physical container, Jack.
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