Perspective of the Sun Makes No Sense

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Re: Perspective of the Sun Makes No Sense
« Reply #1290 on: January 28, 2025, 06:14:46 AM »

 buoyancy

What force keeps air molecules bunched up at the earth’s surface, and results in less atmospheric pressure higher in the air column.  Where air molecules want to spread out equal distance.  What force is bunching up air molecules in a uniform mix at the earth’s surface like they have weight where in your delusion of no gravity they should be equal distance with a uniform pressure throughout the pressure column.

How is a less dense atmosphere above keeping more dense atmosphere below trapped to prevent pressure from equalizing.


Without a downward force called gravity pulling down on air molecules to bunch them up at the earth’s surface, there is nothing to cause the air molecules to squeeze together to push less dense objects up.

Related to how you can weight or a helium ballon to rise to a certain atmospheric density and will not have the buoyancy to rise farther up the air column. 
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« Reply #1291 on: January 28, 2025, 11:20:44 AM »
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What force keeps air molecules bunched up at the earth’s surface, and results in less atmospheric pressure higher in the air column

I believe this is called cohesion. And some adhesion, given air is a mixture.

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Cohesion is the attraction between molecules of the same substance, causing them to stick together, while adhesion is the attraction between molecules of different substances, allowing them to cling to each other.

When air molecules stick together in a bond, this forms a dense mass. The lower pressure up top is consistent with less dense materials floating to the top.

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Even if I move it upwards a bit to make it a “live load / weight”.  Added.  As in upward momentum.

If there is no downward force.  Why do objects of mass exert a downward we call weight.

Your scrawny girly man arms have little muscle. Given that muscle is more dense than fat (and we can see that gut even from this picture), this means it can lift more weight per square inch. If you had decent muscles, a low weight would be able to be held for longer and longer periods before muscle fatigue.

There's no downward force. You're just in poor shape.

Quit trying to use failure to lift weights as a proof. You either can or cannot lift.
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Re: Perspective of the Sun Makes No Sense
« Reply #1292 on: January 28, 2025, 11:54:10 AM »
Hmmm, you're right. Treating you like a child is probably wrong.
Right, so upset that you are shown to be wrong, you act even worse.
You truly are pathetic.

What? I'm only giving you the same respect that you have given my ideas in the past.
And more delusional BS.
I gave your ideas respect.
I read them and thought about them and responded to them giving you a chance to defend them.
But you decided not to.
You decided to ignore all the problems with them.
So they were then given the respect they deserve, absolutely none.
Until you start defending them and address the massive issues with them, why should they get any respect?

Meanwhile, you have never given me respect.

Notice that you pretend toward science, but have a superstitious and nonsensical idea that looks at things you don't understand as magic.
No, I am simply pointing out how your garbage continually relies upon magic.
You have no explanation at all, and just pretend it works, just like would happen with pure magic.

If anything, it is what YOU don't understand, because YOU are the one continually refusing to explain it.

Even though I have explained the simple reality of buoyancy over and over again
No, you haven't.
Instead, you repeat the same crap.
You may as well be saying you flick your wand, say wingardium leviosa and it levitates.
It isn't explaining it at all.

I have raised several key issues which you continually ignore because you have no ability to explain them.

you prefer the notion that objects hanging upside down on a spinning globe is rational
No, I dismiss that as your dishonest strawman.
Back in reality, that is people standing upright on a spinning globe.

Do you think compasses are "northside south" in the eastern hemisphere?
Because that is the level of your stupidity here, which has been explained to you countless times.

The RE model does NOT have people hanging upside down.
Stop repeating that pathetic strawman.

while people standing upright on a plateau-like disc somehow is worthy of being called magic.
Because you ignore everything else associated with it.

This is why I have taken to treating you like a child, and now like a rough beast. Because like a trained animal, you will always do what your overlords tell you.
And more delusional BS.
Why not be honest for once?
You have taken to treating me like a child, because I have so easily demonstrated massive holes in your model. And unlike some others here, don't bite at whatever BS you want to throw at them to deflect.
Because you have no way to respond without your dishonesty being further demonstrated and the massive flaws in your model being further demonstrated you resort to this dishonest pathetic BS.
I have no overlords to tell me what to do.
I just care about the truth, unlike you.

No, I don't have to answer your questions
If you want everyone to know you are a dishonest, lying POS, with absolutely no concern for the truth, then sure keep ignore them.

But if you want people to think you are honest and have a working, coherent model, you do need to address them, as they show your model does not work.

I believe this is called cohesion. And some adhesion, given air is a mixture.
Wrong again, cohesion keeps solids and liquids in tact. It is negligible for a gas.
The change from solid/liquid to gas is because the molecules have enough internal energy to overcome the cohesive forces.

When air molecules stick together in a bond, this forms a dense mass. The lower pressure up top is consistent with less dense materials floating to the top.
No it isn't, because it is the same substance having a different density and pressure.
And more problematic are things like water, where there is no significant change in density.
But for both, you have the massive problem of no reason for that difference in density/pressure, so no reason for it to separate.

this means it can lift more weight per square inch
Why? What is there to resist?

There's no downward force. You're just in poor shape.
If there is no downwards force there is nothing to resist. You should be able to place the weight there in mid air, release it, and have it stay there.

Considering you like games, you can even simulate this in games.

You can have a simple physics engine where things only accelerate when the player interacts.
Or you can have one where all objects experience a downwards force.
In the former, you pick up a weight and release it and it stays there.
In the latter it goes back down.

Again if you want to pretend it is some magical buoyancy, you need to explain:
Why this makes it move at all,
Why down,
Why at a particular rate,
Why this rate varies over Earth,
Why/How this creates a pressure gradient,
Why/How this pressure gradient doesn't just push everything up.

If you can't, your BS is DOA.

Until you can address those points, your BS does not work, and you do not have a "proper FE with buoyancy".
Trying to dismiss those pointing out the fact you have a pile of incoherent BS will not change that. Instead it just shows your dishonesty and desperation.

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Re: Perspective of the Sun Makes No Sense
« Reply #1293 on: January 28, 2025, 12:16:37 PM »


I believe this is called cohesion. And some adhesion, given air is a mixture.

How does a gas exhibit cohesion when it expands to fill a closed pressure vessel uniformly.  And exhibits pressure by gas molecules bouncing off vessel walls.

Where in the atmosphere the pressure and density of the air column decreases with altitude.

What keeps the greater pressure of the lower atmosphere from equalising with the upper atmosphere.

How does cohesion move or accelerate a less dense object up.  How do you accelerate a mass without uneven forces?  How do you accelerate an object up with cohesion? 



When air molecules stick together in a bond,

Two oxygens or two nitrogens bind together to form individual molecules that act independently and bounce off each other and objects. This bouncing is how they exert pressure. 




If there is no downward force.

Then what force gives objects weight.

What makes a stationary object accelerate down when released.

How do you accelerate a mass with no unbalanced forces.


 
There's no downward force.

What force is my arm fighting and exerting energy to hold 30 lbs straight out. 


What force is being multiplied to increase the strain an my shoulder as I stretch out my arm.

How does an object create a measurable downforce we call weight without gravity.


Why do objects weigh more when you place them in a chamber and draw out / evacuate the atmosphere. 

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Re: Perspective of the Sun Makes No Sense
« Reply #1294 on: January 28, 2025, 01:29:41 PM »
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What force is my arm fighting and exerting energy to hold 30 lbs straight out. 

Your flabby arm is not fighting any force. The dumbbell's mass/area is being stacked against the air mass/area. It's heavier, so if nothing were holding it, it would fall. But you are holding it. So this is your dumbbell's density vs the density of your hand and arm. If you were the flabbiest person around, the metal weight would be much heavier than the fat and bone hand and would immediately droop to the ground. As you have at least some muscle, you are able to hold it up for a few seconds.  But here's the third part:

  • We talked about metal's density vs air around it.
  • We talked about metal's density vs your arm/hand.
  • But we also need to talk about arm's density vs air around it.


If I hold my arm out even with nothing around it, at some time, it will eventually get tired. 
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Re: Perspective of the Sun Makes No Sense
« Reply #1295 on: January 28, 2025, 02:19:52 PM »


Your flabby arm is not fighting any force.


Then why do I have to exert energy to lift the weight.



Why does my arm act like a lever when I try to raise it straight out.

What force is being multiplied and causing a strain at my should.  Why is the force multiplied the farther I stretch out my arm.




The dumbbell's mass/area is being stacked against the air mass/area.

Nothing is being stacked.  I’m raising the weight up into less dense atmosphere from more dense atmosphere below.

  What keeps the higher atmosphere pressure below from equaling with air pressure above at lower pressure and density. 


Where objects increase weight from loss of buoyancy when placed in a chamber and the atmosphere is evacuated.




  Where I can lift the 50 LBS weight straight over my head.  What I can’t do is raise the 50 pounds straight out to arm’s length shoulder high.  Why can I lift the 50 lbs weight straight up higher than my shoulder over my head.  But can’t raise the 50 lbs straight out at shoulder hight. 

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Re: Perspective of the Sun Makes No Sense
« Reply #1296 on: January 28, 2025, 03:19:53 PM »

The dumbbell's mass/area is being stacked against the air mass/area.


We have open structures at work with decks and steps of the stairs made from open grating.  I’ve carried more than 50 lbs of tools and equipment at once up the stairs.  To a height well more than 100 feet above the ground.  Why doesn’t the tools and equipment keep getting heavier and heavier with each step up?

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Re: Perspective of the Sun Makes No Sense
« Reply #1297 on: January 29, 2025, 01:28:46 AM »
Your flabby arm is not fighting any force.
If it wasn't fighting a force, then there is nothing trying to make the dumbbell go down, so you should be able to hold it with no issue.

if nothing were holding it, it would fall
i.e. a force is trying to make it go down?
Great job contradicting yourself.

If I hold my arm out even with nothing around it, at some time, it will eventually get tired.
Yes, and if you stop holding it, it falls.
Even though the air around it is applying a force pushing it up.
Yet again demonstrating your delusional BS doesn't work.

But yet again, making perfect sense with gravity.

Again if you want to pretend it is some magical buoyancy, you need to explain:
Why this makes it move at all,
Why down,
Why at a particular rate,
Why this rate varies over Earth,
Why/How this creates a pressure gradient,
Why/How this pressure gradient doesn't just push everything up.

If you can't, your BS is DOA.

Until you can address those points, your BS does not work, and you do not have a "proper FE with buoyancy".
Trying to dismiss those pointing out the fact you have a pile of incoherent BS will not change that. Instead it just shows your dishonesty and desperation.

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: Perspective of the Sun Makes No Sense
« Reply #1298 on: January 29, 2025, 04:25:51 AM »

The dumbbell's mass/area is being stacked against the air mass/area.

This horse has been beaten to death in other threads.

Let me know if the gif below doesn’t play.




The way the air moves around in the wake of the dropped ball, we know the atmosphere isn’t stacking.  Sorry. 

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Re: Perspective of the Sun Makes No Sense
« Reply #1299 on: January 29, 2025, 11:31:56 AM »

The dumbbell's mass/area is being stacked against the air mass/area.

This horse has been beaten to death in other threads.

Let me know if the gif below doesn’t play.




The way the air moves around in the wake of the dropped ball, we know the atmosphere isn’t stacking.  Sorry.
He isn't sceptimatic.
He isn't saying the air is stacking and pushing the object down.
He isn't even saying the air is needed to make objects go down.

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Re: Perspective of the Sun Makes No Sense
« Reply #1300 on: January 29, 2025, 12:23:02 PM »
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He isn't sceptimatic.


Oh.  Was I picking on your favorite punching bag narcissistic Jack. 

Fuck off. 

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Re: Perspective of the Sun Makes No Sense
« Reply #1301 on: January 29, 2025, 12:48:06 PM »
Oh.  Was I picking on your favorite punching bag narcissistic Jack. 

Fuck off.
What's up? Did I upset you by pointing out you are just spouting crap?

You aren't "picking on him", you are just demonstrating to him that you aren't even bothering to pay attention to what he says.
And he can now respond back, saying, correctly, that you weren't and that you aren't arguing against what he said.
You are just playing into his game to make REers look like brainwashed idiots that just attack anything that doesn't fit their programming.

So why don't you fuck off, and leave the debate to those willing to actually read and understand?

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Re: Perspective of the Sun Makes No Sense
« Reply #1302 on: January 29, 2025, 12:57:21 PM »
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He isn't sceptimatic.
He isn't saying the air is stacking and pushing the object down.
He isn't even saying the air is needed to make objects go down.
Oh.  Was I picking on your favorite punching bag narcissistic Jack.
Fuck off.
What's up? Did I upset you by pointing out you are just spouting crap?

You guys need to get along better.

I mean, if I disagree with you both, you shouldn't be disagreeing with each other.

And you are correct, I'm not sceptimatic. You can probably find that out by hacking my IP.

In a vacuum, an object would still fall.
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Re: Perspective of the Sun Makes No Sense
« Reply #1303 on: January 29, 2025, 01:04:52 PM »

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Re: Perspective of the Sun Makes No Sense
« Reply #1304 on: January 29, 2025, 02:15:28 PM »
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He isn't sceptimatic.


Oh.  Was I picking on your favorite punching bag narcissistic Jack. 

Fuck off.



hahaa
what?
jack is always right!

hahaha
just accept his autism.

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Re: Perspective of the Sun Makes No Sense
« Reply #1305 on: January 29, 2025, 05:44:17 PM »
Never. Autistics are evil with their towers of cards and their reciting prime numbers.
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Re: Perspective of the Sun Makes No Sense
« Reply #1306 on: January 29, 2025, 11:41:43 PM »
You guys need to get along better.

I mean, if I disagree with you both, you shouldn't be disagreeing with each other.

And you are correct, I'm not sceptimatic. You can probably find that out by hacking my IP.
Unlike you, I care about the truth. And that means I will object to BS regardless of which side says it.
I'm not just going to pretend that every REer is correct and says nothing wrong.

In a vacuum, an object would still fall.
Yet you still can't produce a coherent model to explain why.

Again if you want to pretend it is some magical buoyancy, you need to explain:
Why this makes it move at all,
Why down,
Why at a particular rate,
Why this rate varies over Earth,
Why/How this creates a pressure gradient,
Why/How this pressure gradient doesn't just push everything up.

If you can't, your BS is DOA.

Until you can address those points, your BS does not work, and you do not have a "proper FE with buoyancy".
Trying to dismiss those pointing out the fact you have a pile of incoherent BS will not change that. Instead it just shows your dishonesty and desperation.

These problems wont just magically go away because you ignore them.

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Re: Perspective of the Sun Makes No Sense
« Reply #1307 on: January 30, 2025, 09:50:23 AM »
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Again if you want to pretend it is some magical buoyancy, you need to explain:
Why this makes it move at all,
Why down,
Why at a particular rate,
Why this rate varies over Earth,
Why/How this creates a pressure gradient,
Why/How this pressure gradient doesn't just push everything up.

I'll let you figure out those answers yourself by watching is videos.

Now, if gravitational force is really what causes things to fall (as the video maker herself believes), the peeled orange weighs less than an unpeeled orange, and should be pulled down less.

So why does the peeled orange sink?

Well, if you ask someone like me who believes in buoyancy not gravity, they will tell you that the orange absorbs moisture and thus becomes denser than water, whereas its protective membrane not only screens out moisture but has air space inside the orange.

The Earth is not as simple as a pressure gradient. Evaporated water is in midair. There are things that are sandwiched between layers because they are between two thresholds (a human for instance is heavier than air so it falls, but lighter than the layers of dirt and rock beneath them, so they don't sink into the soil).

Herp derp, why doesn't everything rise and keep rising?

I've explained this before, and you've ignored it.

Suppose there is a gas layer of 0.0000000000001 g/cub in  in the upper atmosphere, what do you think keeps gases in the lower atmosphere that have a density of 0.0000000005 g/cub in from rising up to that level? Well, it's more dense. Objects are kept in place by how spaced out they are. Now, if I were to heat that gas, it would spread outward, and begin to rise as it takes up more space for the same mass. But when it cools down, it begins to drop in temperature, and condensation happens.

Herp derp, why at that particular rate? You made that particular rate up. The actual rate is the measure of difference in density between object and surface. Toss an object just denser than water and a brick together in a fish tank. Measure the real rate of fall. The brick falls down like it's on a mission, the other object sloooooooooooooooooooooooowly faaaaaaalls iiiiiiinto the water.

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Re: Perspective of the Sun Makes No Sense
« Reply #1308 on: January 30, 2025, 10:25:25 AM »

 Well, it's more dense. Objects are kept in place by how spaced out they are.

That’s not how gases work.  There is space between the gas molecules and or atoms.

The molecules and or atoms are bouncing around in the space. The gas takes up the shape of the container and equalizes pressure.  In your no gravity delusion, the atmosphere should under the imaginary dome.


Why don’t we post about “mass/area is being stacked against the air mass/area” some more.  😂

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Re: Perspective of the Sun Makes No Sense
« Reply #1309 on: January 30, 2025, 10:28:02 AM »

 I were to heat that gas,

What happens to density of a gas trapped in a sealed / air tight container.  Like a tank.  Or like the atmosphere of an imaginary FE trapped under a dome that has no gravity. 

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Re: Perspective of the Sun Makes No Sense
« Reply #1310 on: January 30, 2025, 11:00:33 AM »
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That’s not how gases work.  There is space between the gas molecules and or atoms.

Yes!



Recall that density is mass spread over area. Gases are less dense (on average) than solids because the mass is spread over a wide area. So now let's compare two gases using dot spacing.

What say you? Will the blue gas rise? Will the black gas fall? No, if anything, were their positions reversed, they would move towards where each other were. The denser gas falls, the lighter gas rises.


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Re: Perspective of the Sun Makes No Sense
« Reply #1311 on: January 30, 2025, 11:22:37 AM »

Recall that density is mass spread over area.

Ok.

I asked you a specific question concerning gases.

What happens to density of a gas trapped in a sealed / air tight container.  Like a tank.  Or like the atmosphere of an imaginary FE trapped under a dome that has no gravity.

Added..

I guess I should have been more specific.  What happens to the density of a gas in a sealed/ air tight container as it heats up.
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« Reply #1312 on: January 30, 2025, 11:30:32 AM »

What say you? Will the blue gas rise? Will the black gas fall?

Shrugs. The atmosphere at sea level for the most part is a uniform mixture of diatomic oxygen, diatomic nitrogen, argon, and carbon dioxide.  All having different densities.  Why don’t the little gas molecules and atoms bouncing off each other layer out in an atmosphere of thermal drafts, winds, hurricanes, tornadoes, hurricanes.

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« Reply #1313 on: January 30, 2025, 12:57:12 PM »

What say you? Will the blue gas rise? Will the black gas fall?

Shrugs. The atmosphere at sea level for the most part is a uniform mixture of diatomic oxygen, diatomic nitrogen, argon, and carbon dioxide.  All having different densities.  Why don’t the little gas molecules and atoms bouncing off each other layer out in an atmosphere of thermal drafts, winds, hurricanes, tornadoes, hurricanes.

Hahahahaha!!! So instead of actually giving a straight answer, you talk all about diatomic nitrogen and tornadoes/hurricanes/thermal drafts.



You should be a politician.

Fine. Thermal drafts cause things to rise or fall depending on hot or cold, and hurricanes/tornadoes mix hot and cold gases together. And I was talking about oxygen with two atoms.
But in a hermetically sealed room with oxygen and helium pumped in from vents, if the helium is on the bottom and oxygen is on the top? No tornadoes, hurricanes, or thermal drafts. Just one type of gas vs another.

Still going to dodge the question?
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Re: Perspective of the Sun Makes No Sense
« Reply #1314 on: January 30, 2025, 02:04:12 PM »
I'll let you figure out those answers yourself by watching is videos.
I have figured out the answer, based upon gravity, based upon accepting your BS is wrong.

The video you provided doesn't address any of it at all.
Yet again, you pretend to answer with crap which doesn't address anything.

Now, if gravitational force is really what causes things to fall (as the video maker herself believes), the peeled orange weighs less than an unpeeled orange, and should be pulled down less.
So why does the peeled orange sink?
Already explained, as the peeled orange is shorter, there is less of a pressure gradient acting upon it. As the peeled orange is thinner, there is less area that this pressure is acting upon.
Both of these reduce the upwards force acting upon the orange.

The Earth is not as simple as a pressure gradient.
And I'm not saying it is.
I'm saying the pressure gradient destroys your fantasy.

Herp derp, why doesn't everything rise and keep rising?
Yes, that is the question you can't explain.

You lie to everyone by claiming you have, but you make no attempt to actually do so.

Suppose there is a gas layer of 0.0000000000001 g/cub in  in the upper atmosphere, what do you think keeps gases in the lower atmosphere that have a density of 0.0000000005 g/cub in from rising up to that level?
Gravity, as already explained.
But the real question for you here is why are these gas layers different densities?
We have pressure gradients in gases/fluids which are the same thing. We aren't talking about drastically different materials here.

Well, it's more dense.
Which does not explain it.

Again, stop ignoring the pressure gradient.
Take the effect of it into consideration.
And then your BS buoyancy ends up being nothing more than a downwards force proportional to mass.

Herp derp, why at that particular rate? You made that particular rate up.
No, I didn't. It is measureable.

The actual rate is the measure of difference in density between object and surface.
No, it isn't.
We easily see this by dropping a steel ball and an aluminium ball together in air.
The steel ball is roughly three times as dense, yet falls at basically the same rate.

Putting it in a more viscious fluid like water has drag being a significant force, just like using an object which a much larger surface area to mass ratio does to air.
Which can also be shown by taking a solid aluminium ball vs a piece of alfoil; or even 2 identical pieces of alfoil, where one is them crumpled into a ball.

So now let's compare two gases using dot spacing.
Now try explaining why they have that different density.

Just one type of gas vs another.
Forget 2 different gases.
Try the same gas.
Such as what is observed in the atmosphere, where there is a pressure gradient.
Why?
We can even do the same with liquids like water.


So still no answer to any of these key issues which destroy your BS.
Again if you want to pretend it is some magical buoyancy, you need to explain:
Why this makes it move at all,
Why down,
Why at a particular rate,
Why this rate varies over Earth,
Why/How this creates a pressure gradient,
Why/How this pressure gradient doesn't just push everything up.

If you can't, your BS is DOA.

Until you can address those points, your BS does not work, and you do not have a "proper FE with buoyancy".
Trying to dismiss those pointing out the fact you have a pile of incoherent BS will not change that. Instead it just shows your dishonesty and desperation.

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Re: Perspective of the Sun Makes No Sense
« Reply #1315 on: January 30, 2025, 02:05:54 PM »
Well, if you ask someone like me who believes in buoyancy not gravity...
What if we ask those who do not  believe that buoyancy and gravity are mutually exclusive?  Both exist and both work just fine as defined by the simple physics that you can't quite seem to grasp.
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Re: Perspective of the Sun Makes No Sense
« Reply #1316 on: February 01, 2025, 09:35:07 AM »


But in a hermetically sealed room with oxygen and helium


Shrugs.

Mean like a tank of helium, nitrogen, and oxygen used for breathing in deep sea diving?  Or just helium and oxygen.  In Trimix or Heliox?


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Trimix is a breathing gas consisting of oxygen, helium, and nitrogen. It is used in deep commercial diving, during the deep phase of dives carried out using technical diving techniques,[1][2] and in advanced recreational diving.[3][4]




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Heliox is a breathing gas mixture of helium (He) and oxygen (O2). It is used as a medical treatment for patients with difficulty breathing because this mixture generates less resistance than atmospheric air when passing through the airways of the lungs, and thus requires less effort by a patient to breathe in and out of the lungs. It is also used as a breathing gas for deep ambient pressure diving as it is not narcotic at high pressure, and for its low work of breathing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliox


Where the helium stays in a mixed concentration?  I don’t think the breathing mixtures would be effective if the helium layered out from the oxygen. 
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Re: Perspective of the Sun Makes No Sense
« Reply #1317 on: February 02, 2025, 05:45:24 AM »

 So instead of actually giving a straight answer


You are one to talk. 

Done changing the subject?  You going to “answer the question” directed at you!



Your flabby arm is not fighting any force.


Then why do I have to exert energy to lift the weight.



Why does my arm act like a lever when I try to raise it straight out.

What force is being multiplied and causing a strain at my should.  Why is the force multiplied the farther I stretch out my arm.




The dumbbell's mass/area is being stacked against the air mass/area.

Nothing is being stacked.  I’m raising the weight up into less dense atmosphere from more dense atmosphere below.

  What keeps the higher atmosphere pressure below from equaling with air pressure above at lower pressure and density. 


Where objects increase weight from loss of buoyancy when placed in a chamber and the atmosphere is evacuated.




  Where I can lift the 50 LBS weight straight over my head.  What I can’t do is raise the 50 pounds straight out to arm’s length shoulder high.  Why can I lift the 50 lbs weight straight up higher than my shoulder over my head.  But can’t raise the 50 lbs straight out at shoulder hight. 

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Re: Perspective of the Sun Makes No Sense
« Reply #1318 on: February 04, 2025, 06:45:25 AM »
Well, if you ask someone like me who believes in buoyancy not gravity...
What if we ask those who do not  believe that buoyancy and gravity are mutually exclusive?  Both exist and both work just fine as defined by the simple physics that you can't quite seem to grasp.

I tell them they're trying to shoehorn gravity in.

I used to believe there was gravity and buoyancy. I had a shaky science idea that water had some properties that caused buoyancy. But then i realized that if you switched them up (such as visualizing water as really dense air rather than a different substance), the only reason we don't see more things float on air is that is very much lacks alot of density. But when we do (as in a helium balloon), it tends to match exactly the sort of floating that happens on water. There is no distinct system, just floating and sinking. That is how I know it's mutually exclusive.
If ρ=m/V, then B=ρsurfobj


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Re: Perspective of the Sun Makes No Sense
« Reply #1319 on: February 04, 2025, 07:23:15 AM »

I tell them

Hello.  Bullma. Presented a real world example you ignored. 



But in a hermetically sealed room with oxygen and helium



Mean like a tank of helium, nitrogen, and oxygen used for breathing in deep sea diving?  Or just helium and oxygen.  In Trimix or Heliox?


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Trimix is a breathing gas consisting of oxygen, helium, and nitrogen. It is used in deep commercial diving, during the deep phase of dives carried out using technical diving techniques,[1][2] and in advanced recreational diving.[3][4]




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Heliox is a breathing gas mixture of helium (He) and oxygen (O2). It is used as a medical treatment for patients with difficulty breathing because this mixture generates less resistance than atmospheric air when passing through the airways of the lungs, and thus requires less effort by a patient to breathe in and out of the lungs. It is also used as a breathing gas for deep ambient pressure diving as it is not narcotic at high pressure, and for its low work of breathing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliox


Where the helium stays in a mixed concentration?  I don’t think the breathing mixtures would be effective if the helium layered out from the oxygen.