Would standard star atlases be accurate for a flat earth

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Going to address why a dial star atlas is accurate at predicting the night sky Tubs, or you going to derail the thread again because you can’t handle the earth is demonstrably spherical? 

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I see Turbo you can’t explain why a simple dial star atlas of the southern hemisphere used and sold for decades is accurate other than the reality of a spherical earth. 

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Still can’t address why a dial star atlas of the southern hemisphere produced accurate predictions of the southern night sky? 

Because it is all the stars which are shaped above Earth, below the Firmament, which is a dome, and stars follow that shape of a dome, not a ball Earth with endless stars above us. That’s why it works that way.

Because it is all the stars which are shaped above Earth, below the Firmament, which is a dome, and stars follow that shape of a dome, not a ball Earth with endless stars above us. That’s why it works that way.

Care to draw out how people in Australia, Africa, and South America can look south and see the constellation Southern Cross?  Where the Southern Cross can be a navigational aid to find south? Find the southern celestial pole. 



And not this..

Quote from: WISHTOLAUGH on March 22, 2024, 01:18:43 PM

No one uses Sigma Octatntis to navigate to the supposed south pole.

I've ignored nothing, but I am going to start now by ignoring your stupid bullshit.

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You keep trying to change the subject with basically lying how navigation in the southern hemisphere works with a sextant.  It’s not based off the celestial South Pole for the southern hemisphere where Polaris isn’t visible because of the earth’s curvature? 

How to find the celestial South Pole makes sense on a globe / sphere.






The celestial South Pole is meaningless on a flat earth

The reason a dial star atlas of the southern hemisphere is accurate is due to the fact the earth is demonstrably spherical which results in persons looks south from Africa, Australia, or South America where they all look to the same southern celestial pole.  And they see the one celestial constellation the Southern cross circling the southern celestial pole. 

Because it is all the stars which are shaped above Earth, below the Firmament, which is a dome, and stars follow that shape of a dome, not a ball Earth with endless stars above us. That’s why it works that way.

No, that is why it wouldn't work.

See, in reality, there is a point due south of everyone. So we can see the southern sky.
Unlike your fantasy, where they should be looking in completley different directions.

No proof charting the earth as spherical and great circle paths are inaccurate.

No proof charting the earth as flat accurately charts distances and relative direction in the southern hemisphere.

Anyway..

Flat-earth challenge: YouTubers feud over out-of-control $100K bet

https://www.dailydot.com/upstream/wolfie6020-flat-earth-challenge-youtube/?amp

YouTuber Wolfie6020 said in a vlog posted in late October that a flat-earther named Flat Out Hero (who has about 1,000 subscribers) called him out by name in a video which Flat Out Hero laid out this challenge: Use flight charts to navigate in a plane from a Point A to a Point B and from a Point B to a Point C before returning home, all with the exact same amount of distance flown in between the turns and only using 90 degree turns.

Originally, Wolfie6020 used electronic charts to navigate the route, because he said paper flight charts have fallen out of use in the modern day. But after Flat Out Hero balked at the electronic flight chart, Wolfie6020 posted a video showing how it could be done with the outdated technology as well.

https://www.dailydot.com/upstream/wolfie6020-flat-earth-challenge-youtube/?amp

There are no shadows on the moon, there is nothing that could even cause any shadows on the moon either.

The moon has a black cloak bound to it, which goes around the moon in cycles of different shapes, it is a real object.

Exactly what it is, what it’s made of, is unknown, just like the stars are unknown in all ways too.  But the stars exist, and so does the cloak of the moon exist, but unknown in all ways.

When sunlight hits a tall building and people at the same angle, the tall building casts a longer shadow than the people do, but the moon doesn’t have different lengths of shadows, because they aren’t shadows at all.

If you look close up to the edge along this cloak, it has rippled edges along it, and they clasp into the craters along its edge, but shadows would be seen on all of the craters of the surface, not by the edge of the surface, as the cloak would do.

The cloak is also seen when the moon and Sun are both in the skies at the same time, which confirms that the Sun isn’t causing any shadows on the moon.

There are no shadows on the moon

Except there quite clearly is.
Including in footage you have previously seen.
Here is more footage showing shadows:


See how the craters have shadows?

The moon has a black cloak bound to it, which goes around the moon in cycles of different shapes, it is a real object.

To magically produce the exact effects we would expect for it to just be shadow?

When sunlight hits a tall building and people at the same angle, the tall building casts a longer shadow than the people do, but the moon doesn’t have different lengths of shadows, because they aren’t shadows at all.

If you look close up to the edge along this cloak, it has rippled edges along it, and they clasp into the craters along its edge, but shadows would be seen on all of the craters of the surface, not by the edge of the surface, as the cloak would do.

Notice how you basically contradict yourself here?

In one case you say all the shadows are the same, and that shows it is fake, then you switch and say the shadows should be the same but they are different.

But why are you comparing the moon to a tall building?
Why not compare it to a textured ball?

The dark parts on the moon behaves just like you would expect shadows to.
Close to the terminator, where the sun is coming in from a low angle, the crater edges cast long shadows, putting the entire crater into darkness.
But as the angle of elevation of the sun on the point on the moons surface increases, the distance the shadow goes decreases as well, so some craters only have their edge in shadow, and some don't have any part in shadow.

The cloak is also seen when the moon and Sun are both in the skies at the same time

i.e. when they aren't 180 degrees apart for us, meaning we are not looking at the moon from the same location the sun is casting that light so we would expect that shadow.
Yet when it is a full moon, when the sun and moon are roughly 180 degrees apart, we can't really see any shadow.
Yet again confirming it is a shadow, not a magic BS cloak.

There are no shadows on the moon,

What the Fuck. 

Which is a right out lie that has nothing to do with why a simple dial star atlas of the southern hemisphere is accurate.  Nor has anything to do with why the constellation the southern cross can be used to find south from Australia, South American, or Africa. 

All you can do is derail threads with right out lies Turbs? 

Sometimes it is funny to watch the puppet show.  Someone makes a preposterous statement, and the hens get all riled up, clucking and flapping their wings.  But, if it was not for the silliness of the flat earthers here, there would be no conversations at all.

Cluck, cluck...

There are no shadows on the moon,

Which is blatantly false.  Care to stick to the topic why dial star atlases for the northern and southern hemisphere are accurate at predicting the night sky.  Funny how some topics are taboo for flat earthers. 

Quote from: turbonium2 on July 07, 2024, 02:13:32 AM

There are no shadows on the moon

Except there quite clearly is.
Including in footage you have previously seen.
Here is more footage showing shadows:


See how the craters have shadows?

Quote from: turbonium2 on July 07, 2024, 02:13:32 AM

The moon has a black cloak bound to it, which goes around the moon in cycles of different shapes, it is a real object.

To magically produce the exact effects we would expect for it to just be shadow?

Quote from: turbonium2 on July 07, 2024, 02:13:32 AM

When sunlight hits a tall building and people at the same angle, the tall building casts a longer shadow than the people do, but the moon doesn’t have different lengths of shadows, because they aren’t shadows at all.

If you look close up to the edge along this cloak, it has rippled edges along it, and they clasp into the craters along its edge, but shadows would be seen on all of the craters of the surface, not by the edge of the surface, as the cloak would do.

Notice how you basically contradict yourself here?

In one case you say all the shadows are the same, and that shows it is fake, then you switch and say the shadows should be the same but they are different.

But why are you comparing the moon to a tall building?
Why not compare it to a textured ball?

The dark parts on the moon behaves just like you would expect shadows to.
Close to the terminator, where the sun is coming in from a low angle, the crater edges cast long shadows, putting the entire crater into darkness.
But as the angle of elevation of the sun on the point on the moons surface increases, the distance the shadow goes decreases as well, so some craters only have their edge in shadow, and some don't have any part in shadow.

Quote from: turbonium2 on July 07, 2024, 02:13:32 AM

The cloak is also seen when the moon and Sun are both in the skies at the same time

i.e. when they aren't 180 degrees apart for us, meaning we are not looking at the moon from the same location the sun is casting that light so we would expect that shadow.
Yet when it is a full moon, when the sun and moon are roughly 180 degrees apart, we can't really see any shadow.
Yet again confirming it is a shadow, not a magic BS cloak.

Look at real videos of the moon we’ve taken, not bs from NASA…



Here’s one of many other close up videos of the moon.

Look specifically along the whole edge of this dark cloak or sheet, and you’ll see it cannot be a shadow.

There are parts along the edge which extrude outward from the edge, some are seen near the bottom area, shapes that cannot be shadows. Some appear to have nearly straight edges on parts of them, and look like solid matter, with defined edges.

Another feature we see of it, is its whole outline past the moon itself.

We see it as the outer part of a whole circle. It is a different shade of black, than the dark skies beyond it.

This cannot be a shadow, there is no object to even create a shadow halfway out from the moon.

And the Sun and moon appear in the sky at the same time, and there is nothing between them to cause shadows like that, and they tell us that the sun is millions of miles further away than the moon, so it would not hit the other side of the moon with sunlight, it would hit the back side we never see.

Earth doesn’t reflect up sunlight to the moon either, we’d be blinded by sunlight if it lit up the moon far away from Earth like that.

So many lies, just to support a ball Earth lie.

Quote from: turbonium2 on July 07, 2024, 02:13:32 AM

There are no shadows on the moon,

Which is blatantly false.  Care to stick to the topic why dial star atlases for the northern and southern hemisphere are accurate at predicting the night sky.  Funny how some topics are taboo for flat earthers.

We’ve long known what paths the stars follow, when we knew Earth was flat, and had mapped Earth as flat, with its circular walls of ice as the boundary of the seas.

Stars are formed in an immense concave below the firmament, as a dome above us.

Have you ever noticed that if Earth was a ball within endless space, and stars all around Earth, why do all of the ‘falling stars’ and ‘comets’ move across the skies in the same path, either way?

Why wouldn’t they move in every direction, once in awhile? Because they move above the flat Earth, not in endless ‘space’

Look at real videos of the moon we’ve taken, not bs from NASA…

I didn't provide anything from NASA.
But that does seem to be your go to, just reject anything that doesn't match your delusional fantasy as a lie from NASA.

Look specifically along the whole edge of this dark cloak or sheet, and you’ll see it cannot be a shadow.
There are parts along the edge which extrude outward from the edge, some are seen near the bottom area, shapes that cannot be shadows. Some appear to have nearly straight edges on parts of them, and look like solid matter, with defined edges.

If you want to start spouting crap like this what you should do is take a screenshot of the video and highlight these areas you are talking about, because I can't see anything like what you are suggesting.

Another feature we see of it, is its whole outline past the moon itself.

Do you mean the glare from the auto-white balance as the camera zooms out?

If not, again, just what are you referring to?

And the Sun and moon appear in the sky at the same time, and there is nothing between them to cause shadows like that

Is is the shadow of the moon itself.
Based upon the angle the sun is hitting it vs the angle we are viewing it from.

It doesn't need any other object to cast that shadow.

they tell us that the sun is millions of miles further away than the moon, so it would not hit the other side of the moon with sunlight, it would hit the back side we never see.

That depends on their relative position/direction.
Being millions of miles further away doesn't mean in the same direction.

What you are describing is the new moon, where we don't see the moon except very faintly.
Conversely for a full moon, the moon and sun are roughly 180 degrees apart, so the sun illuminates the side of the moon facing Earth.
And for the quarter moons, they are roughly 90 degrees apart, so we see half of the face of the moon the is illuminated.

Earth doesn’t reflect up sunlight to the moon either

It does, just not enough to make the moon easily visible.

So many lies, just to support a ball Earth lie.

Close, so many lies just to reject the RE reality.

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Quote from: turbonium2 on July 07, 2024, 02:13:32 AM

There are no shadows on the moon,

Which is blatantly false.  Care to stick to the topic why dial star atlases for the northern and southern hemisphere are accurate at predicting the night sky.  Funny how some topics are taboo for flat earthers.

We’ve long known what paths the stars follow, when we knew Earth was flat, and had mapped Earth as flat, with its circular walls of ice as the boundary of the seas.

Stars are formed in an immense concave below the firmament, as a dome above us.

Have you ever noticed that if Earth was a ball within endless space, and stars all around Earth, why do all of the ‘falling stars’ and ‘comets’ move across the skies in the same path, either way?

Why wouldn’t they move in every direction, once in awhile? Because they move above the flat Earth, not in endless ‘space’

Hello.  You’re derailing the thread.  Something I was “given” a FE vacation for.

Care to stick to the actual topic of this thread…

So.  There are these simple but relatively accurate star atlases for the night sky.  They are based off month and time.  They are dial types that show the night sky for a certain time of year.

Northern hemisphere





Southern hemisphere



I would find it hard to believe that standard Star Atlas for the southern hemisphere would be accurate for a flat earth?