Is Our Planet Much Bigger Than They Tell Us?

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Is Our Planet Much Bigger Than They Tell Us?
« on: January 02, 2024, 10:42:18 AM »
Has anybody looked into the possibility that the section we call Earth is only a tiny section of a spherical planet? If this is the case, then we are in a relatively flat section of a giant planet, say, the size of Jupiter. If this is the case, we have a vast part of the planet that is unexplored, and the government is hiding it from us.

We know that the section of the planet called Earth is flat since the airplane’s attitude indicator shows the aircraft’s relative position to the horizon, showing that any two airports are leveled. In the 1930s, they developed a vacuum pump to spin the gyroscopes of the attitude indicator and showed that the airplane was level with the ground relative to the airport where they took off. The pilots use it to see if the plane is climbing, banking, or descending, and when the airplane lands, it shows that the level is the same in both the airport where they take off and land. It is the case from John F. Kennedy International Airport (40.6446° N, 73.7797° W) to Athens International Airport “Eleftherios Venizelos” (37.9362° N, 23.9480° E). The two airports are level even though there should be an almost 50-degree difference; thus, the Earth is level. It does not matter if the pilot has a downward, upward, or level flight; the only thing that matters is that the two airports are at the same level.


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Re: Is Our Planet Much Bigger Than They Tell Us?
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2024, 01:07:48 PM »
Has anybody looked into the possibility that the section we call Earth is only a tiny section of a spherical planet?
I have suggested it to FEers several times.

Any time they claim "missing curvature" in photos where slightly more is visible than what they claim should be visible for the round Earth, but with the bottom still missing, then they are really arguing that the radius of Earth is larger than what is accepted, but that is still round, not flat.

But that is really just ignoring things like the height of the observer, or refraction.
We have plenty of evidence showing Earth is at least approximately the size people claim.

We know that the section of the planet called Earth is flat
No, we don't.
The existence of the horizon, the observations of objects in the sky, the various flight routes, and a multitude of other evidence shows that Earth, even if you want to just limit it to the regions we know of, is roughly a sphere.

since the airplane’s attitude indicator shows the aircraft’s relative position to the horizon
No, it shows the attitude, relative to an artificial horizon, which is forced to be level.

If Earth was flat, then a plane flying in level flight with the pilots maintaining the attitude relative to the artificial horizon, will remain that way.
And if Earth was round, then a plane flying in level flight with the pilots maintaining the attitude relative to the artificial horizon, will remain that way.

The only difference is a tiny correction.
Assuming the plane was flying at 1000 km/hr, is that the plane would be gradually pitching down at a rate of 0.15 degrees per minute. This would be entirely overwhelmed by the trim for a multitude of other factors.

So no, this does not demonstrate Earth is flat at all.

In the 1930s, they developed a vacuum pump to spin the gyroscopes of the attitude indicator and showed that the airplane was level with the ground relative to the airport where they took off.
No, it doesn't.
This is because the gyro has a self-correcting mechanism which keeps it aligned to the direction of down.
This can result in small errors during sustained turns and other forms of acceleration, but that is fairly minor.
But it does mean it is useless at detecting the orientation of one airport relative to another, unless you get there incredibly quickly.

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Re: Is Our Planet Much Bigger Than They Tell Us?
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2024, 09:36:47 AM »
the government is hiding it from us.

why would russia and china support the lies of your government? does it feel like all governments around the world are united?

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Re: Is Our Planet Much Bigger Than They Tell Us?
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2024, 12:51:15 PM »
why would russia and china support the lies of your government? does it feel like all governments around the world are united?
See, that's just a cover to keep people thinking.
Those in power are secretly best buddies and pose these fake wars to keep people fighting among themselves rather than taking over them.

Notice how Hitler's body was never recovered? That is because prior to the end of the German part of WWII, the high ups on the allies secretly evacuated him to safety so he could continue living his life now that his role was played.
For Japan they didn't even have to hide it because of how the Japanese people were and just kept the Emperor there.

Even Osama Bin laden, rather than capture him and have him kept in a prison where loads of people could verify it, or place his corpse somewhere people could verify he was actually dead; they instead sent in a high up team to capture him and allegedly throw his corpse in the ocean. Couldn't he have also been secreted away and gone into hiding?

Who knows, maybe they just went home to their planet of reptilians. Although I suppose that part of the fantasy doesn't work well with a FE.
I know, maybe they went to their home in the lands beyond the ice wall?

Even now, notice how Putin and Zelenskyy aren't dead? They just keep the fighting going to control people.
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Re: Is Our Planet Much Bigger Than They Tell Us?
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2024, 02:32:17 PM »
The attitude indicator is leveled before the airplane takes off.

The instrument shows the level with respect to the airport it took off and when it lands, it is also leveled, thus both airports are leveled.

End of Game!!!

The two airports are leveled.

I remember that some University students measured the state of Kansas a few years ago and found it to be leveled.

We have two options, either the Earth is flat, or we are on a very small section of a huge sphere, which gives the reading of a Flat Earth. Either way, the truth is hidden from us.


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Re: Is Our Planet Much Bigger Than They Tell Us?
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2024, 04:30:14 PM »
The attitude indicator is leveled before the airplane takes off.
No, the attitude indicator is spun up, and the self-erecting mechanism makes it upright.
As it flies, and the local direction of down changes, it corrects for that.

I remember that some University students measured the state of Kansas a few years ago and found it to be leveled.
And did they find it to be level or flat? The 2 are very different.

In reality, you are just entirely misquoting what happened.
These students did not measure Kansas. They measured a pancake.
They then used existing topographical data which measures altitude above a hypothetical sea level for Earth.
That means any curve of Earth is entirely ignored by that data.

We have two options, either the Earth is flat, or we are on a very small section of a huge sphere, which gives the reading of a Flat Earth. Either way, the truth is hidden from us.
Or the third option, that Earth is round, and you are simply misunderstanding things.
It isn't that the truth is hidden, you just choose to not pay attention to it.

There is far too much demonstrating Earth is round, and of a size comparable to the claimed radius of 6371 km for it to be flat or much much larger.

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Re: Is Our Planet Much Bigger Than They Tell Us?
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2024, 05:10:28 PM »
The attitude indicator is leveled before the airplane takes off.

The instrument shows the level with respect to the airport it took off and when it lands, it is also leveled, thus both airports are leveled.

End of Game!!!

The two airports are leveled.


What two airports.

What would happen between Denver air port 5,430 above sea level and Boston airport (Logan) at 20 feet above sea level? 

Or between Denver and “Furnace Creek Airport (DTH) in Death Valley, California” at 208 feet below sea level? 

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The second-lowest airport on earth at a height of minus 208 feet is Furnace Creek Airport (DTH) in Death Valley, California.

https://simpleflying.com/atyrau-lowest-international-airport-guide/

Will the instrument show below horizon at Furnace Creek Airport (DTH)? 

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Re: Is Our Planet Much Bigger Than They Tell Us?
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2024, 03:25:57 AM »
flying below sea level



Re: Is Our Planet Much Bigger Than They Tell Us?
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2024, 05:47:04 AM »
I stand corrected; leveled is not the correct word, but PARALLEL TO THE GROUND.

No, the attitude indicator is spun up, and the self-erecting mechanism makes it upright.
As it flies, and the local direction of down changes, it corrects for that.

When the attitude indicator is spun up, the gyroscopes has the airplane PARALLEL TO THE GROUND of the airport, say JFK Airport. When it lands to the new airport, say Athens International Airport, it is again PARALLEL TO THE GROUND, thus the two airports are PARALLEL, even thought their should be a 50 degree difference. This could not happen on a spherical body, unless the distance between the two airports is very small.

You have a choice, either the two airports are very close to each other on a very large sphere, or the Earth is Flat. I personally believe that the two points are very close to each other on a very large sphere.

What is your problem, if the Earth is a sphere, but on a much larger sphere than they have told us?

Or the third option, that Earth is round, and you are simply misunderstanding things.

Even a flat dinner plate is round, that does not make it a sphere…

Re: Is Our Planet Much Bigger Than They Tell Us?
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2024, 05:51:50 AM »
Maybe this video can help to understand tangent lines and a sphere.


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Re: Is Our Planet Much Bigger Than They Tell Us?
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2024, 07:52:36 AM »
I stand corrected; leveled is not the correct word, but PARALLEL TO THE GROUND.

I can be parallel to the ground at 1 foot or 10,000 feet.

I can travel a parallel curved path to a parallel sphere.


When the attitude indicator is spun up, the gyroscopes has the airplane PARALLEL TO THE GROUND of the airport,


How does the instrument “know” or detect this? 

It’s been covered here..


Walk us through this for the artificial horizon indicator as an airplane passes over an ever increasing horizon as it flys towards the increasing slope and horizon of a mountain range?


Anyway…

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https://flatearth.ws/artificial-horizon

An artificial horizon, or attitude indicator, is a flight instrument that indicates the aircraft’s orientation relative to Earth’s horizon and gives an immediate indication of the smallest change of orientation. An artificial horizon utilizes a gyroscope to detect the change of orientation and pendulous vanes to continuously correct the orientation relative to the level.

Flat-Earthers claim that an artificial horizon should drift over time if the airplane is flying over the spherical Earth because the gyroscope will eventually drift and no longer points toward Earth’s center. In reality, an artificial horizon has a self-correcting mechanism, keeping the gyroscope upright if it is displaced for any reason, including by the aircraft’s motion following Earth’s curvature.


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Preflight Actions:
When an aircraft engine is first started and pneumatic or electric power is supplied to the instruments, the gyro is not erect
A self-erecting mechanism inside the instrument actuated by the force of gravity applies a precessing force, causing the gyro to rise to its vertical position
The attitude indicator should not bank more than 5° in taxi turns

https://www.cfinotebook.net/notebook/avionics-and-instruments/attitude-indicator

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Attitude indicators have mechanisms that keep the instrument level with respect to the direction of gravity.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attitude_indicator

Flat Earth - Yes an aircraft Artificial Horizon self corrects in flight - Pt 1



Their artificial horizon shows you this.


The vacuum powered instruments that uses gravity?


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Pendulous Vanes | Pilot Tutorial



Ep. 60: Inner Workings of an Attitude Indicator | Gyroscope


Like this source better…
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https://www.aopa.org/training-and-safety/students/presolo/special/understanding-gyroscopic-instruments

Gyro instruments react to short-term movements of the airplane. In fact, the attitude indicator contains a set of weights intended to drive the instrument toward level flight by sensing gravity. These weights move the instrument face about 3 degrees per minute. So if you were to maintain a 30-degree coordinated banked turn for 10 minutes,


Commonly, the AI and HI are powered by vacuum pneumatic systems.
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it is again PARALLEL TO THE GROUND, thus the two airports are PARALLEL,

Or just at the same altitude above sea level.

Why do you ignore the bit about what the horizon indicator does for…

“What would happen between Denver air port 5,430 above sea level and Boston airport (Logan) at 20 feet above sea level?

Or between Denver at about 5,000 feet above sea level and “Furnace Creek Airport (DTH) in Death Valley, California” at 208 feet below sea level? “


If the indicator keeps itself level in regards to gravity.  It can quite easily help maintain say a 30,000 feet altitude flight path above a spherical earth.  And show “parallel” for two different places on a spherical earth at the same altitude above sea level. 

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Re: Is Our Planet Much Bigger Than They Tell Us?
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2024, 07:59:29 AM »

 the gyroscopes has the airplane PARALLEL TO THE GROUND of the airport,

How does the instrument “know” the plane itself is “parallel” to the ground.

Many WW II fighters sat at take off with wheels on the ground with the nose up.  But the plane wasn’t changing altitude in regards to the artificial horizon.


https://www.123rf.com/photo_81827181_airplane-p-51-mustang-vintage-wwii-fighter-on-the-runway.html

Call me crazy, but the plane is in no way “parallel” to the ground at take off?



Many jets fly with the nose pitched up and not change/gain altitude.  And also not change altitude in regards to the article horizon.  In other words, follow the curvature of the earth at a specific altitude.  It takes control surfaces and increasing power to gain altitude. 


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Re: Is Our Planet Much Bigger Than They Tell Us?
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2024, 08:05:57 AM »
Maybe this video can help to understand tangent lines and a sphere.



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And this guy addresses flight and artificial horizon.

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Flat Earth - Yes an aircraft Artificial Horizon self corrects in flight - Pt 1







I could be wrong, but I think the guy giving this series on artificial horizon instruments is a pilot that addresses your issues.  Ether way, he debunks flat earth. 

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Re: Is Our Planet Much Bigger Than They Tell Us?
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2024, 08:22:46 AM »
I can travel a parallel curved path to a parallel sphere.

You lack the basic geometric understanding. Two lines are parallel to each other if and only if they never intersect each other, regardless of how far they are extended on either side. This is not the case on a sphere unless the two points are relatively close to each other...

How does the instrument “know” or detect this?

When the plane is on the ground, they have a vacuum pump that spins a gyroscope. The gyroscope has locked the plane that is parallel to the ground. Everything from that point is relative to a parallel plane to the takeoff airport. The video below might help:



The artificial horizon is irrelevant to what I am saying. I am looking at only the start and finish position of the gyroscope, nothing in between since the pilot does not touch the gyroscope while on flight.

Attitude indicators have mechanisms that keep the instrument level with respect to the direction of gravity…. The vacuum powered instruments that uses gravity?

No, gyroscopes are independent of gravity; they work on centripetal forces. It is basic physics.

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Re: Is Our Planet Much Bigger Than They Tell Us?
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2024, 08:32:35 AM »
I can travel a parallel curved path to a parallel sphere.

You lack the basic geometric understanding. Two lines are parallel to each other if and only if they never intersect each other, regardless of how far they are extended on either side. This is not the case on a sphere unless the two points are relatively close to each other...

I can fly above a sphere at a constant altitude and “not” interest the sphere. 

Long story short.  The artificial horizon  which uses a gyroscope corrects itself using gravity to fly over the spherical earth.  And you’re ignoring that.  And the numerous videos and cited sources I have provided. 


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Re: Is Our Planet Much Bigger Than They Tell Us?
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2024, 08:42:22 AM »

No, gyroscopes are independent of gravity; they work on centripetal forces. It is basic physics.

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https://flatearth.ws/artificial-horizon

An artificial horizon, or attitude indicator, is a flight instrument that indicates the aircraft’s orientation relative to Earth’s horizon and gives an immediate indication of the smallest change of orientation. An artificial horizon utilizes a gyroscope to detect the change of orientation and pendulous vanes to continuously correct the orientation relative to the level.

Flat-Earthers claim that an artificial horizon should drift over time if the airplane is flying over the spherical Earth because the gyroscope will eventually drift and no longer points toward Earth’s center. In reality, an artificial horizon has a self-correcting mechanism, keeping the gyroscope upright if it is displaced for any reason, including by the aircraft’s motion following Earth’s curvature.


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Your proof the earth is flat is using a flight instrument that uses a gyroscope and corrects for the known earth’s curvature with gravity and pendulous vanes?

Well, that’s ignorant and embarrassing on your part? 

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Re: Is Our Planet Much Bigger Than They Tell Us?
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2024, 09:38:50 AM »

No, gyroscopes are independent of gravity; they work on centripetal forces. It is basic physics.

Are you referring to the gyroscope in the artificial horizon?  You get it’s not a plane gyroscope.  You understand it’s a system of mechanisms with a gyroscope?  Mechanisms used to correct errors inherent to gyroscopes?  Pretty smart creating a flight instrument that self corrects errors inherent to gyroscopes?

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Re: Is Our Planet Much Bigger Than They Tell Us?
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2024, 12:48:20 PM »
I stand corrected; leveled is not the correct word, but PARALLEL TO THE GROUND.
So you are saying the ground is parallel to the ground?

When the attitude indicator is spun up, the gyroscopes has the airplane PARALLEL TO THE GROUND of the airport, say JFK Airport. When it lands to the new airport, say Athens International Airport, it is again PARALLEL TO THE GROUND, thus the two airports are PARALLEL
No, they aren't.
Continuing to ignore the fact that the attitude indicator has a self-erecting mechanism just shows your dishonesty.

You have a choice, either the two airports are very close to each other on a very large sphere, or the Earth is Flat. I personally believe that the two points are very close to each other on a very large sphere.
Or, you are wrong.
Either due to lack of understanding of how attitude indicators work, or intentional dishonesty on your part.

I'll stick with that much more likely option.

The only question is which one is it? Do you just not understand that the attitude indicator has a self-erecting mechanism; or do you know and you are just intentionally lying to pretend there is a problem with the mainstream model?

Given you have now been presented with a video showing this self-erecting mechanism in action, and had it explained why you can't just ignore it; your next reply will indicate which one it is.
Either you accept your argument is wrong, or you are intentionally lying to everyone.


What is your problem, if the Earth is a sphere, but on a much larger sphere than they have told us?
Because it doesn't match reality.
Reality requires a sphere with a radius close to the reported radius.
For example, the distance to the horizon is based upon the observer eye height and radius of Earth.
The angle of dip to the horizon.

And the fact that we clearly have people all over Earth at wildly different latitudes and longitudes; as demonstrated by the varying seasons, the vary time zones (or more technically the varying time of solar noon) and the stars visible in the sky, including both a north celestial pole and a south celestial pole.

What is your problem if Earth is a sphere with a radius of roughly 6371 km?
That you don't understand how attitude indicators work?

Even a flat dinner plate is round, that does not make it a sphere…
Which is just playing semantics.
When I say Earth is round, I meant roughly spherical.

You lack the basic geometric understanding. Two lines are parallel to each other if and only if they never intersect each other, regardless of how far they are extended on either side.
The depends on the exact definition used for parallel lines.
In Euclidean geometry with straight lines there are many equivalent definitions.

But guess what? 2 concentric circles match your definition.


When the plane is on the ground, they have a vacuum pump that spins a gyroscope. The gyroscope has locked the plane that is parallel to the ground.
No, there is self-erecting mechanism.
They cannot simply rely upon the idea that the plane is level, because that requires the plane to actually be level which it might not be.

If this self-erecting mechanism was not present, the gyro would drift too much and be useless.

The video below might help:
I don't see a vacuum pump or an an attitude indicator's self-erecting mechanism, so no, it doesn't help.

The artificial horizon is irrelevant to what I am saying.
It is incredibly relevant, because you are using that specific thing to support your claim, while entirely ignoring the fact that it is not just a simple gyroscope.
If you want it to be irrelevant, go find a different gyroscope, spin it up while on the ground at one airport, and then have it stay spinning the entire duration you are on the plane and see what happens to its apparent orientation.
Then repeat the same experiment while "stationary" on the ground for the same duration, to show it isn't drifting.
Then repeat the same experiment while it is placed onto a carrier trying to move it both in the direction the plane allegedly rotates and opposite, at the same rate, to show it is sensitive enough to detect that.

No, gyroscopes are independent of gravity; they work on centripetal forces. It is basic physics.
The video you provided shows that is false, and that gyroscopes can interact with gravity.
Like around 1:30. Notice how the gyro isn't stationary? Notice how it moves around due to the force of gravity?
This is done again around 1:50, where now the gyro is rotating around a central point, not maintaining its orientation in space.


If you want to use the attitude indicator in an aircraft, you need to discuss that, including the self-erecting mechanism.
If you want that self-erecting mechanism to be irrelevant, then you cannot use the attitude indicator; instead you need an entirely separate gyroscope.

You can't honestly just ignore that self-erecting mechanism because it refutes your argument.

Re: Is Our Planet Much Bigger Than They Tell Us?
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2024, 03:04:26 PM »

I can fly above a sphere at a constant altitude and “not” interest the sphere.


What about the two tangent lines between the two airports, will they intersect or are they parallel to each other???

https://images.nagwa.com/figures/explainers/472198923805/6.svg

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https://search-static.byjusweb.com/question-images/toppr_ext/questions/265337_243326_ans_38a84f87fe9244df8f6f9151be1a2055.png


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Re: Is Our Planet Much Bigger Than They Tell Us?
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2024, 03:43:50 PM »

I can fly above a sphere at a constant altitude and “not” interest the sphere.


What about the two tangent lines between the two airports, will they intersect or are they parallel to each other???

https://images.nagwa.com/figures/explainers/472198923805/6.svg

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https://search-static.byjusweb.com/question-images/toppr_ext/questions/265337_243326_ans_38a84f87fe9244df8f6f9151be1a2055.png

Shrugs.  Not really how an air plane flies between airports.

The airplane takes off, gains altitude, reaches an altitude which is hopefully going to allow the plane to fly over any obstacles/ or mountains in the way (unless it has to fly around instead), descend, then hopefully land.  I would dare say it’s flight path for a flat earth or spherical earth would be a parabola like thing. 
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Re: Is Our Planet Much Bigger Than They Tell Us?
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2024, 03:47:57 PM »
John F. Kennedy International Airport is at an altitude of something like 13 feet above sea level.

Athens International Airport "Eleftherios Venizelos" Is like 300 feet above sea level.

They are at different altitudes by almost 300 feet? 

Note.  Added.
And an aircraft would fly over the Pyrenees mountains on the border of France and Spain?


Not sure how the earth is “level” in the context of the opening post? 
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Re: Is Our Planet Much Bigger Than They Tell Us?
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2024, 07:58:26 PM »
What about the two tangent lines between the two airports, will they intersect or are they parallel to each other???
They will intersect.

But that is irrelevant to the discussion.

What is relevant to the discussion is that the attitude indicator in an aircraft has a self-erecting mechanism that will result in any change in the orientation of "down" to be corrected for by the attitude indicator. So if a plane takes off with "down" in one orientation, flies around, and lands somewhere else where "down" is in a different orientation, the attitude indicate will only show the attitude of the plane relative to that direction of down.

Because of this you CANNOT use it to determine the orientation of one part of Earth relative to another part.

Care to address that?

Re: Is Our Planet Much Bigger Than They Tell Us?
« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2024, 05:07:36 AM »
John F. Kennedy International Airport is at an altitude of something like 13 feet above sea level.

Athens International Airport "Eleftherios Venizelos" Is like 300 feet above sea level.

They are at different altitudes by almost 300 feet? 

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And an aircraft would fly over the Pyrenees mountains on the border of France and Spain?


Not sure how the earth is “level” in the context of the opening post?

I have stated that I made a mistake in using the word "level," but parallel planes are the terminology to use.

Both airports lie in parallel planes, which means that either the Earth is flat or it is only a small section of a large sphere. The height above sea level is irrelevant.

What about the two tangent lines between the two airports, will they intersect or are they parallel to each other???

See the below two images...



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Re: Is Our Planet Much Bigger Than They Tell Us?
« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2024, 05:48:35 AM »

Both airports lie in parallel planes, which means that either the Earth is flat or it is only a small section of a large sphere. The height above sea level is irrelevant.



Sigh.

If the air ports are at different altitudes, they are not in the same “plane.” Are at least not a “plane” “parallel” to the ground.  Since you want to pick and choose geometry definitions.


In reality, the airports are on a spherical earth. 

And your whole argument is based on misrepresentation gyroscopes, and ignoring how gyroscopes are used in aircraft instrumentation in conjunction with mechanisms that correct for things like flying around a spherical earth.


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Re: Is Our Planet Much Bigger Than They Tell Us?
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2024, 05:50:28 AM »

Both airports lie in parallel planes,

Care to draw out how that works.  Added.  As in actual flight path between the two airports. 
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Re: Is Our Planet Much Bigger Than They Tell Us?
« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2024, 06:05:34 AM »

What about the two tangent lines between the two airports, will they intersect or are they parallel to each other???



Shrugs.

A drawing representing two points on a sphere in parallel planes.



I can fly a plane parallel to a sphere.

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Parallel curve

A parallel of a curve is the envelope of a family of congruent circles centered on the curve. It generalises the concept of parallel (straight) lines. It can also be defined as a curve whose points are at a constant normal distance from a given curve.[1] These two definitions are not entirely equivalent as the latter assumes smoothness, whereas the former does not.[2]













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Re: Is Our Planet Much Bigger Than They Tell Us?
« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2024, 06:30:26 AM »
Has anybody looked into the possibility that the section we call Earth is only a tiny section of a spherical planet?

Yes.


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Rainy Lake Experiment: Conclusion

http://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=Rainy+Lake+Experiment%3A+Conclusion
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All data and observations agree with the predictions of the Globe Model, which includes Terrestrial Refraction. The predictions for the Flat Earth Model, however, contradict the observations.

The Rainy Lake Experiment shows even better than the Bedford Level Experiment that the earth is a globe, since we also have GPS measurements that are not influenced by Refraction or Perspective, but are of a pure geometric nature. GPS measurements directly provide the radius of the earth.

Only one conclusion remains:


The earth cannot be flat, but is a globe with a mean radius of 6371 km!
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Re: Is Our Planet Much Bigger Than They Tell Us?
« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2024, 06:53:47 AM »
Quote from: InTheLoveLight link=topic=92133.msg2414416#ms

What about the two tangent lines between the two airports, will they intersect or are they parallel to each other???


Is this what you really mean?



For this flight path?

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https://www.distance.to/JFK/ATH#:~:text=Distance%20from%20JFK%20to%20ATH&text=The%20shortest%20distance%20(air%20line,4%2C929.00%20mi%20(7%2C932.46%20km).

Using this type of required math?

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Celestial Navigation

https://newcreeations.org/flat-earth-theory/

Therefore, the fact that the spherical trigonometry based math required for celestial navigation produces accurate determinations of one’s position on the earth is definitive proof that the earth is spherical.

Celestial navigation truly makes proponents of the flat earth model look silly.


This is your thread, why don’t you do the actual calculations for the earth? 

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Re: Is Our Planet Much Bigger Than They Tell Us?
« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2024, 06:58:41 AM »

 The two airports are level even though there should be an almost 50-degree difference; [/size]

How did you calculate the 50 degree difference?  In what context?  And why would it be important to a pilot? 

Re: Is Our Planet Much Bigger Than They Tell Us?
« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2024, 07:14:55 AM »
I stand corrected, it is not 50 degrees but around 97 degrees difference, since one is West and the other is East, thus you add the two numbers.

John F. Kennedy International Airport (40.6446° N, 73.7797° W)
Athens International Airport “Eleftherios Venizelos” (37.9362° N, 23.9480° E).

73.7797° W + 23.9480° E = 73.7797 +  23.9480 = 96.7 Degrees