Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1800 on: August 29, 2023, 02:18:21 PM »
It’s totally unbelievable and beggars belief that people are arguing if the moon exists! Only flat earth believers could distort reality to such a mad off the wall degree to prompt such a discussion. I just wonder what holographic projectors early man had?

The crazy desire of some people to ignore reality and make up their very own crack pot version of the physical world I suppose could be amusing. Unfortunately it can have a very dark side when politicians such as Trump start creating his own ‘truths’ to subvert democracy and legitimise his own and others criminality.
"I can accept that some aspects of FE belief are true, while others are fiction."

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Now that is a laugh!

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1801 on: August 29, 2023, 04:04:44 PM »
It’s totally unbelievable and beggars belief that people are arguing if the moon exists! Only flat earth believers could distort reality to such a mad off the wall degree to prompt such a discussion. I just wonder what holographic projectors early man had?

The crazy desire of some people to ignore reality and make up their very own crack pot version of the physical world I suppose could be amusing. Unfortunately it can have a very dark side when politicians such as Trump start creating his own ‘truths’ to subvert democracy and legitimise his own and others criminality.

If one chooses to subscribe to an idea that the Earth is an alternate shape to a globe and that outer space is fiction, it naturally follows that the moon has to be just a holographic projection, or ornament hanging from the dome ceiling, I guess.

In every planetarium I've been to, you can see the light from the projector and you can see the projector itself.

Plan B might be the dome is a curved television screen just like in the Truman Show. It truly is amazing the sun hologram on this dome screen, can produce the heat it does, as well as the amount of light it does. When i see footage of the sun on my tv, it doesn't produce heat, or light up my entire house like that. Why doesn't it?

How is denpressure even supposed to work in a contained system like that? A contained system, especially one free of gravity, would cause any air pressure to equalize, so that there is no such thing as low air pressure or high air pressure - thus rendering denpressure and buoyancy as obsolete. Denpressure as a substitute for gravity on a flattish Earth contained system, can't exist in a zero gravity contained system. Different atmospheric air pressure here on Earth, only exists because of gravity.

Oh, the irony!



For the overall shape of Earth to be flat, requires billions of people and billions of pieces of information about Earth to be wrong. Do the maths.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1802 on: August 30, 2023, 04:08:15 AM »
Timeisies is back?!

I thought he was banned and started a new account as DataFlow

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1803 on: August 30, 2023, 06:38:29 AM »
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Timeisies is back?!

I thought he was banned and started a new account as DataFlow

Yes, Tiemesissie kangaroo up sport, is back for more fun and frivolity. Like a moth to a flame, so is Tiemesissie drawn to the flattened world of the flerfer. 

What other group on the planet encourages scooping flattened road kill off the roads for their flat earth conferences, aside from the Jeffrey Dahmer brigade?

DiaperOverFlow and Tiemesissie are separate people, like Bruce Wayne and Batman. It's just a wild coincidence they both share the exact same flat earth fetishes.

But, let's talk, the talk. Denpressure. Is it the pressure one experiences, when Septicattic locks you in his den and you realise you can't escape without gratifying his need to suck globes, first? Now, that's pressure inside a den!
For the overall shape of Earth to be flat, requires billions of people and billions of pieces of information about Earth to be wrong. Do the maths.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1804 on: August 30, 2023, 10:27:19 PM »
This is a debate forum. Do you have any documented proof.  You trapped into the excuse of “you people don’t understand” is just lame, lazy, and stupid at this point.
Don't waste your time playing this game.
Nothing I could provide would change any mindset you have and I'm well aware of that.
You can barely take notice of anything so I'm under no illusions about you.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1805 on: August 30, 2023, 10:33:58 PM »

 The dome would not act like you've shown.
The dome would be black to our vision.


So the dome would absorb all light, so no light would reflect showing no projection at all.
No, the dome doesn't absorb all light, it reflects it from point to point.
It acts like a mirror, but don't get all hysterical about being able to see beams of light all over the place like a shooting gallery.
The source of light comes from the centre and the points of light you see are your stars. The major source is the sun and the reflections from it are your moon and so on, all from what is going on inside Earth at the centre, in my hypothesis.

The fact you've taken no notice of anything renders you incapable of arguing anything to do with my hypothesis which is why you're content to simply regurgitate from the mainstream ideals books.






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Anyway.

Single yellow LED under the curvature of the dome. 



Cardboard right above the dome.  Single yellow LED under the curvature of the dome. 


You really can’t “see” the dome.  But you sure can see it acting like a screen.  Multiple reflections.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1806 on: August 30, 2023, 10:43:36 PM »
I don't see everything as false.
Sure, you only see what doesn't fit in your delusional fantasy as false. As well as those things which would lead to your fantasy being wrong.
Regardless of how much evidence there is to support it.

Regardless, you accept all sorts of delusional BS, with no evidence to support it at all.

We all accept a lot of things of which we have no direct proof. Accepting something might be fact and believing it as fact are two entirely different mindsets. Just as being sceptical is another mindset.

It's all about what offers the best evidence that maybe fits a jigsaw piece by logically sifting through instead of simply buying into stories that offer something as factual but cannot be proved by the average bear.


Your arguments are based entirely on a belief system installed into your brain by severe schooling in this kind of stuff. You then try to school whoever you see fit into that same bracket and when they cry, no joy, you go into attempted ridicule mode aided by the usual suspects.


And yes I am having a small dig because it's the truth.

I may be totally wrong in my hypotheses or I may have some pertinent points or be closer than I think.
You, in your mind, believe you know everything because the books offer you a belief system, catered for by mass adherence to peer pressure to argue for under a massive comfort blanket.

That offers you nothing more than the regurgitation of stories.

And if you deny this then you have to offer physical proof to the contrary and convince me, which you have never done and nor has anyone else.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1807 on: August 30, 2023, 11:39:44 PM »
We are all aware you must be following guidelines and accept being taught to some degree. You do acknowledge that.
We are born to mimic and we are also born to be basically taught by our parents/guardians to follow certain basic rules.
As a child, Santa becomes real, and the tooth fairy and a whole host of other goodies as well as a whole host of other things such as religious teachings, whether simple offerings or in-depth teaching which are dependent on the culture of people in varying parts of land mass.

This is a little off course but it stands solid as an argument concerning things we are told to believe in life.
There are so many religions. So many gods for religions.
Which ones are true and which ones are not? Are any true?

Does the man or woman on their own who talks to their invisible mentor have any more or less standing in society as those who believe in a god en-mass?

One becomes a nutter and an oddball who is the scourge of society and the masses are the pillars, yet neither see the physical reality of what they're basically bowing to. Or do they, or does he/she?

You and I were schooled into a lot, like most. You follow a lot to this day and generally without much of a fight to any contrary.
You know 100% that people lie. You also know that people in office tell lies.
You know that law enforcement is not always fair and lies get told and people suffer for them.
It's the nature of the beast within us all, generally.

You also know there are so many scientists in life in different stages of authority and you also know there are pseudo-scientists...theoretical/hypothetical...etc.

You also know that you cannot prove anything about what we're arguing about any more than I can prove anything to you in your set ways.
You are willing to overrule your logic in favour of books and schooling in a lot of stuff, as we all do with whatever is on the bigger agenda in life.
It comes with trusting your elders or what you deem as higher authority over yourself.

The truth is certainly out there...but will any of us ever really know it?

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We are also acutely aware, that at some point, likely when you get to the stuff you can't readily prove yourself, you must start putting it in the gunk pile.
That depends on the stuff.
The spinning globe in a space vacuum is 100% in the gunk pile and it's staying there.


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The shape of the Earth and Earth spinning, is not the first time you arrive at things you can't prove in life, is it?
As above. We can't prove a lot but we can use logic to basically chip away at the illogical stories and that is where I'm at with the spinning global nonsense.


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I'm sure you listen to what your doctor says, appealing to his authority.
This is a good one because, yes I do in some respects, and in others I haven't and benefit from not listening.
I can cite many things from many family members, including myself on numerous occasions where trusting your doctor or specified specialist does not always end up being the right choice.
It's a toss of a coin where this matters, I kid you not.

I'd be surprised if you trusted them fully but if you do then maybe you are getting the right treatment or maybe you've been fortunate and have no issues as of yet. I don't know..but I do know there's far too much not to trust about doctors and such and then there's those doctors that are much more trustworthy.

And no, I'm not being paranoid and I'd hazard a guess many on here would back me up on that, whether globalists or not.

I find many doctors are creatures of habit and chancers.
And the so-called specialists in some things are scary to the point where I wonder if their certificates were actually in a lucky bag or bought on a whim.

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Unfortunately, a part of this argument is certainly about not appealing to authority, and it is interesting where that begins for you.
It begins with not trusting authority but that doesn't mean I don't disobey authority in many cases.
A child may not trust an abusive parent/guardian but will generally obey, usually out of fear or conditioning and a better the devil you know the scenario, just as it is when you're cast out into adult life and realise your biggest jigsaw is really about to begin.
Most people's jigsaws are already done for them and don't feel the need to look closer at the pieces that were simply hammered in to appear to make a picture of reality.


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I find it difficult to believe you appeal to all authority and then when it suits and you arrive at Earth shape, spinning, and outer space, you suddenly draw the line, and a big thick curtain comes across your mind and it's all fictional gunk.
If you sit in a room and listen to 30 stories from men in suits or women in suits or basically some authority-like clothing as we are accustomed to, then do you accept all stories as truth if those stories offer you no proof at all but sound good or do you get sceptical?

If there was a quiz the next day for facts and each quiz question was based on what those 30 people said in stages, would you answer them all as your facts?
Would you then be regarded as a genius if you got them all correct in terms of regurgitating the story parts?

And would you become a genius of facts to many?

Would I have a right to be sceptical of it all?


 
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There is a measure of not being able to prove many things and appealing to authority on those things long before you ever reach the spinning globe.
It's all about each individual and how they absorb a story that offers no proof but lots of interesting titbits.
And then it comes down to how many take the story as factual against those who are on the fence and those who outright dismiss it as anything other than fiction.

If the masses gain the fact mindset then it becomes a fact and the deniers of this become the nutjobs or the conspiracy theorists or the anti-authoritarian...and so on.


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You're not dumb. You recognise the world we live in is patterned. Your cell theory is evidence of that.
As far as I'm concerned our world is a living cell among living cells attached to it. And it will be absorbed at some stage and so will all other cells.
But new ones will also emerge.
The issue is it's hard for most to look at that in any serious manner because it becomes laughable when you consider we've been conditioned to believe we're on a spinning ball in a space vacuum just being kept alive by a huge central furnace of a sun...and so on.

Try telling a kid that Santa is not real and it's their parents/guardians that put the presents out at night after spending half the year buying them and also eating a bit of cookie and carrot and whatnot in a pretence of Santa and Rudolf actually eating them.
What's more logical?
An adult would argue it's more logical for the kid to realise they've been duped and Santa isn't real and it was their parents/guardians. But it doesn't work like that and neither does it work like that for adults in a more complex story...but we all like to think we can't be duped.


The only difference in it is, whether we are duped for good or bad or a mixture of both.

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Picking and choosing what you will and won't believe about the world you live in from authority, on a whim, is something you could review.
I agree and I do it often.
I always try to read between the lines of a lot of what comes out because I believe there are many closer to truth in a lot of the fiction put out. It's all about doing the jigsaw and that is why I'm where I'm at now.
I may never know the full reality of what we live in but that applies to everyone, in my opinion.

It all comes down to whose logic fits and who sees a better fit out of it all rather than accepting a story of proposed fact based entirely on garnering minds to police minds to become mass peer pressure acceptance based on wanting to be in that comfort zone, knowing there's no proof but not really caring to go against it.


It's a long answer so do with it what you feel.
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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1808 on: August 30, 2023, 11:49:24 PM »

It doesn't look like any real physical moon because there isn't a real physical moon in the space we are told.
As far as I'm concerned.


Ironic from a person that can’t even produce any evidence helium makes a skin,  and what its reflective/screen/projection properties would be.
You probably think of the skin on gravy or something.
You just don't have any capacity to actually think without using some kind of reference to copy and paste or use to argue.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1809 on: August 30, 2023, 11:58:20 PM »
It’s totally unbelievable and beggars belief that people are arguing if the moon exists!
Of course it will when you're conditioned to believe it's a big powdery rock in a space vacuum just floating around a bigger space rock and so on.
Men apparently landed on the rock so forget the laughable footage of it all, just believe it.
I'll tell you what beggars belief for me.
It's not the people who believe in the moon stories from the early days of not having playback and stuff, it's those who watch it all and still argue for it all being as we are told.

But there's the arguments.

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Only flat earth believers could distort reality to such a mad off the wall degree to prompt such a discussion. I just wonder what holographic projectors early man had?
Nobody said they were man-made. It helps to pay attention.


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The crazy desire of some people to ignore reality and make up their very own crack pot version of the physical world I suppose could be amusing.
There's nothing wrong with having alternate thoughts. It only becomes a problem for those who are in such control of the minnows that they can't accept alternate thoughts, especially if they have set a narrative.


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Unfortunately it can have a very dark side when politicians such as Trump start creating his own ‘truths’ to subvert democracy and legitimise his own and others criminality.
Everything can have a dark side if it goes against those who want to set narratives and spin yarns. The bullies do not want the meek to argue back, they want total compliance.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1810 on: August 30, 2023, 11:59:14 PM »
It’s totally unbelievable and beggars belief that people are arguing if the moon exists! Only flat earth believers could distort reality to such a mad off the wall degree to prompt such a discussion. I just wonder what holographic projectors early man had?

The crazy desire of some people to ignore reality and make up their very own crack pot version of the physical world I suppose could be amusing. Unfortunately it can have a very dark side when politicians such as Trump start creating his own ‘truths’ to subvert democracy and legitimise his own and others criminality.

If one chooses to subscribe to an idea that the Earth is an alternate shape to a globe and that outer space is fiction, it naturally follows that the moon has to be just a holographic projection, or ornament hanging from the dome ceiling, I guess.

In every planetarium I've been to, you can see the light from the projector and you can see the projector itself.

Plan B might be the dome is a curved television screen just like in the Truman Show. It truly is amazing the sun hologram on this dome screen, can produce the heat it does, as well as the amount of light it does. When i see footage of the sun on my tv, it doesn't produce heat, or light up my entire house like that. Why doesn't it?

How is denpressure even supposed to work in a contained system like that? A contained system, especially one free of gravity, would cause any air pressure to equalize, so that there is no such thing as low air pressure or high air pressure - thus rendering denpressure and buoyancy as obsolete. Denpressure as a substitute for gravity on a flattish Earth contained system, can't exist in a zero gravity contained system. Different atmospheric air pressure here on Earth, only exists because of gravity.

Oh, the irony!
You have to understand the system first and you clearly do not.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1811 on: August 31, 2023, 12:19:01 AM »
It’s totally unbelievable and beggars belief that people are arguing if the moon exists! Only flat earth believers could distort reality to such a mad off the wall degree to prompt such a discussion. I just wonder what holographic projectors early man had?

The crazy desire of some people to ignore reality and make up their very own crack pot version of the physical world I suppose could be amusing. Unfortunately it can have a very dark side when politicians such as Trump start creating his own ‘truths’ to subvert democracy and legitimise his own and others criminality.

If one chooses to subscribe to an idea that the Earth is an alternate shape to a globe and that outer space is fiction, it naturally follows that the moon has to be just a holographic projection, or ornament hanging from the dome ceiling, I guess.

In every planetarium I've been to, you can see the light from the projector and you can see the projector itself.

Plan B might be the dome is a curved television screen just like in the Truman Show. It truly is amazing the sun hologram on this dome screen, can produce the heat it does, as well as the amount of light it does. When i see footage of the sun on my tv, it doesn't produce heat, or light up my entire house like that. Why doesn't it?

How is denpressure even supposed to work in a contained system like that? A contained system, especially one free of gravity, would cause any air pressure to equalize, so that there is no such thing as low air pressure or high air pressure - thus rendering denpressure and buoyancy as obsolete. Denpressure as a substitute for gravity on a flattish Earth contained system, can't exist in a zero gravity contained system. Different atmospheric air pressure here on Earth, only exists because of gravity.

Oh, the irony!
You have to understand the system first and you clearly do not.

Writing fiction can be fun as no evidence is required and it enables worlds to be created free from the shackles of reality.

That in a nutshell is how you operate. Everything you say is just made up fiction.

Normally when people attempt to prove a point they supply evidence which in your case is impossible as no evidence exists for any of the beliefs you have. Which is why you behave in the classic way you do.

Saying everyone who disagrees with you has been conditioned!

Saying it’s all one big conspiracy and only you know the truth.

Saying everyone who does not agree with you doesn’t understand. What your not clear on is the WHAT they don’t understand.

Only YOU know the truth. Which incidentally you never explain how you know all that you know! Classic sign of delusional paranoia.

https://mhanational.org/conditions/paranoia-and-delusional-disorders

You fit the bill perfectly.

Does it not strike you as odd that you are the only one on the planet who believes what you believe. Have you never thought that odd what with you allegedly being a great thinker?

You say:

“You have to understand the system first and you clearly do not.”

The only understanding required as regards to you, are your beliefs are all fiction and you for believing in them are as mad as the proverbial hatter.

That’s all that needs to be understood in your case.

"I can accept that some aspects of FE belief are true, while others are fiction."

Jack Black

Now that is a laugh!

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1812 on: August 31, 2023, 03:25:47 AM »
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You probably think of the skin on gravy or something.
You just don't have any capacity to actually think without using some kind of reference to copy and paste or use to argue.

You claim you believe what can be experienced.

Please explain how you experience helium skin and its “dome” properties.  How can we experiment with helium skin.

If not.  It’s obvious you’re using delusion to troll. 

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1813 on: August 31, 2023, 08:40:25 AM »
It’s totally unbelievable and beggars belief that people are arguing if the moon exists! Only flat earth believers could distort reality to such a mad off the wall degree to prompt such a discussion. I just wonder what holographic projectors early man had?

The crazy desire of some people to ignore reality and make up their very own crack pot version of the physical world I suppose could be amusing. Unfortunately it can have a very dark side when politicians such as Trump start creating his own ‘truths’ to subvert democracy and legitimise his own and others criminality.

If one chooses to subscribe to an idea that the Earth is an alternate shape to a globe and that outer space is fiction, it naturally follows that the moon has to be just a holographic projection, or ornament hanging from the dome ceiling, I guess.

In every planetarium I've been to, you can see the light from the projector and you can see the projector itself.

Plan B might be the dome is a curved television screen just like in the Truman Show. It truly is amazing the sun hologram on this dome screen, can produce the heat it does, as well as the amount of light it does. When i see footage of the sun on my tv, it doesn't produce heat, or light up my entire house like that. Why doesn't it?

How is denpressure even supposed to work in a contained system like that? A contained system, especially one free of gravity, would cause any air pressure to equalize, so that there is no such thing as low air pressure or high air pressure - thus rendering denpressure and buoyancy as obsolete. Denpressure as a substitute for gravity on a flattish Earth contained system, can't exist in a zero gravity contained system. Different atmospheric air pressure here on Earth, only exists because of gravity.

Oh, the irony!
You have to understand the system first and you clearly do not.


OK...Sceptamatic, the flat world's answer to Einstein, we should call you Flatstien.

In the regular world, that you appear to pour scorn on ,regular people learn things through a system that has has accumulated knowledge through a process where that knowledge has to go through a series of 'tests' to ascertain its validity. The knowledge is tested by many people over a period of time to ascertain just how robust the knowledge is. This could involve the knowledge being tested by thousand or even millions of people. Just think how often the laws of momentum are validated by students in schools and science labs year in and year out. Despite what you claim part of education involves validating scientific principles.  Unlike you who have never validated any of your own claims. Over time any errors or mistakes are noted and the knowledge is then modified to take account of these noted errors. In a very simplified nutshell thats how the real world works. Unlike your world that is all based on a series of claims to authority. The authority being your very own one.

You complain about appealing to 'authority' yet all your arguments are claims to your very own authority! Ironic or what. All what you say is based on no more than 'because I said so'.

You come along and claim all that we know is nonsense. You have made such claims over and over again.

In the real world if someone disputes a piece of knowledge what they normally do is supply proof in the form of carefully gathered evidence along with a method by which it was gathered,  that can then be replicated by others so that the claim can either be validated or not.

You on the. other hand do nothing but make empty claim after empty claim, all to your own solo authority, with zero evidence ever being offered. Why do you not offer any carefully crafted evidence along with the method you used to gather it so that others can validate it?  The answer is because you have neither any  method nor evidence and are not capable of producing either.

You say this as a get out which is just one cowardly excuse:-

"Nothing I could provide would change any mindset you have and I'm well aware of that."

In all honesty there is nothing you could ever provide.

To prove me wrong you could present your evidence in relation to the claims you make about the dome. Let's be clear in al human history the dome has never been observed. Given the number of flights per day flying above the cloud base no report has ever been made by anyone reporting a sighting of a dome. Yet you say a dome exists? Have you see it? Have you detected it? If so please present the method you used.

You say:-

No, the dome doesn't absorb all light, it reflects it from point to point.
It acts like a mirror, but don't get all hysterical about being able to see beams of light all over the place like a shooting gallery.
The source of light comes from the centre and the points of light you see are your stars. The major source is the sun and the reflections from it are your moon and so on, all from what is going on inside Earth at the centre, in my hypothesis"

ON what basis do you make all those claims? You say the dome doesn't absorb all light. How do you know this? what tests and experiments have you done that has a) detected the existence of a dome and b) worked out its optical properties.

For a man who appears to reject claims to authority you appear to love making claims to your very own authority. 

So what do you think Flatstien?



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Now that is a laugh!

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1814 on: August 31, 2023, 08:51:05 AM »


ON what basis do you make all those claims?

sceptimatic makes those claims on the properties of helium skin.  With no evidence helium can make a skin outside the already known properties of helium ice, liquid, gas, plasma. 

Shrugs…


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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1815 on: August 31, 2023, 11:30:01 AM »


ON what basis do you make all those claims?

sceptimatic makes those claims on the properties of helium skin.  With no evidence helium can make a skin outside the already known properties of helium ice, liquid, gas, plasma. 

Shrugs…

Helium skin? No such thing. Does he imagine he makes it from party balloons and belly button fluff?

The fact that he is more than willing to swallow his own ass crack secretions, he should not expect other to follow suit!

Helium skin!  Now that’s one straight out the ass crack.
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Now that is a laugh!

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1816 on: August 31, 2023, 12:04:52 PM »
how do we know how reflective helium ice is?


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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1817 on: August 31, 2023, 01:33:50 PM »
how do we know how reflective helium ice is?

Just ask Flatstien. He can cook some up pronto in his super dooper low temperature cryogenic facility. Or failing that he can pull some out his ass. Though its reflectiveness may well have been compromised due to the adverse impact of the environment conditions up his ass.
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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1818 on: September 01, 2023, 12:26:50 AM »
OK...Sceptamatic, the flat world's answer to Einstein, we should call you Flatstien.
You can call me whatever you wish. Pick the one that most excites you and use that. Change it up whenever you feel you've worn it out.



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In the regular world, that you appear to pour scorn on ,regular people learn things through a system that has has accumulated knowledge through a process where that knowledge has to go through a series of 'tests' to ascertain its validity.
People learn things every day and mainly they do it by copying other people by listening and physically mimicking.
This is fine for doing things that offer something at the end.
I have no issues with any of that.
People can also be spoonbenders and also theorise about astrology and black holes, the universe, stars, planets... etc...etc...etc. But it doesn't make them a reality, yet people can be taught to theorise and manipulate to become a so-called expert on these things, yet they offer no reality for anyone to find.


And this is what I'm arguing against, not stuff that has real merit in life.


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The knowledge is tested by many people over a period of time to ascertain just how robust the knowledge is.
That depends on what knowledge it is and is being tested.
If it's a plumber working out pipe runs and diameters for different buildings or electricians working out wiring sizes and amps and such, then fine.
Builders, architects, and so on and so on. All reality. I have no issues with any of it.

As for the Earth and so-called space shenanigans, I want proof, not just words and CGI. Nobody can provide it because nobody knows what the hell any of it is, other than regurgitated stories turning visual into someone's reality without knowing what5 that visual is, yet offering it as factual.


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This could involve the knowledge being tested by thousand or even millions of people.
That depends on the knowledge, as above.

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Just think how often the laws of momentum are validated by students in schools and science labs year in and year out.
Explain the laws.


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Despite what you claim part of education involves validating scientific principles.
If they can be validated then I have no issues.


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  Unlike you who have never validated any of your own claims.
I don't need to, except to myself.


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Over time any errors or mistakes are noted and the knowledge is then modified to take account of these noted errors.
Yep, over time which means at the time they were wrong/made up.


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In a very simplified nutshell thats how the real world works.
The real world works regardless of how many ideas truths and lies get sold and told.

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Unlike your world that is all based on a series of claims to authority. The authority being your very own one.
My claims are my authority and my claims are offered as my thoughts and are not offered as fact nor are people forced to believe any of it, so make sure you understand that and it'll save you wasting your time offering it up again and again.


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You complain about appealing to 'authority' yet all your arguments are claims to your very own authority! Ironic or what. All what you say is based on no more than 'because I said so'.

I don't complain about people appealing to authority I simply tell the truth. That's what people do. They simply appeal to authority to argue points.
Even you can't deny this.
We all do it in whatever stage or area we are in.
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You come along and claim all that we know is nonsense. You have made such claims over and over again.
No I don't. You conveniently use this gunk in order to make your argument appear valid.
Lots of what people know are not nonsense.
And I also don't attack the person who believes what I call nonsense. I call the story not the person who believes it.
However I will have a little dig at people like yourself who have spent so much time on the stories and yet cannot see past the nonsense. I do this as a little dig back to make me smile when I'm in the midst of a full-on posse attack of frustration bullying and failure.


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In the real world if someone disputes a piece of knowledge what they normally do is supply proof in the form of carefully gathered evidence along with a method by which it was gathered,  that can then be replicated by others so that the claim can either be validated or not.
And that depends on what is being disputed and whether proof can be offered by all parties.


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You on the. other hand do nothing but make empty claim after empty claim, all to your own solo authority, with zero evidence ever being offered.
You're welcome to say my claims are empty. You can call them mental, idiotic, and whatever else you can muster.
I don't need you to do anything for me. All I ask is for those who want to argue against me then understand what it is they're arguing about against my thoughts and when asking for proof, first offer proof.



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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1819 on: September 01, 2023, 12:27:29 AM »
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Why do you not offer any carefully crafted evidence along with the method you used to gather it so that others can validate it?
What I offer to people like yourself is pointless.
It takes a thinking mind on what I offer to even bother to get anywhere.
Too many people like yourself think throwing ridicule is an answer.
It's funny but it doesn't offer answers and certainly not rebuttals to something you have no clue about due to the frenzied attempts at ridicule.

It's quite funny watching some of you attempt it and I truly wonder why you waste your time doing it.

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  The answer is because you have neither any  method nor evidence and are not capable of producing either.
And you're welcome to think that and also welcome to take no notice. But here you are doing just that so I'm giving you a fair old reply.


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You say this as a get out which is just one cowardly excuse:-

"Nothing I could provide would change any mindset you have and I'm well aware of that."
I say it because that's how I see it.
Only one person has attempted to understand.
But why would anyone want to try and understand what I say when they would be attacked for doing so? Smokey tried it for 5 minutes and took a back seat due to being attacked.
It's better to ridicule the loner as a mass because it's much more comfortable than to try and understand the loner and be attacked for it.

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In all honesty there is nothing you could ever provide.
To prove me wrong you could present your evidence in relation to the claims you make about the dome.
I know that. I keep telling people like yourself time and time again.
And you wonder why I choose what I put out.

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Let's be clear in al human history the dome has never been observed.
Let's be clear, nor has your spinning global Earth, except in CGI and composites.


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Given the number of flights per day flying above the cloud base no report has ever been made by anyone reporting a sighting of a dome.
Why would they?
They mostly think they're flying around a globe and anything seen in that sky is cast off as all kinds of things.


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Yet you say a dome exists?
I firmly believe one does and for good reason.

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Have you see it?
I believe so, yes, or the effects of it being one, should I say.

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Have you detected it? If so please present the method you used.
Yes. As for presenting it. No.


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You say:-

No, the dome doesn't absorb all light, it reflects it from point to point.
It acts like a mirror, but don't get all hysterical about being able to see beams of light all over the place like a shooting gallery.
The source of light comes from the centre and the points of light you see are your stars. The major source is the sun and the reflections from it are your moon and so on, all from what is going on inside Earth at the centre, in my hypothesis"

ON what basis do you make all those claims?
On my basis, because I can.
There's a lot of theoretical scientists out there and you subscribe to a lot of them. Why?
Your argument may well be " because they know what's what."
How do you know?

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You say the dome doesn't absorb all light. How do you know this?
By doing the jigsaw. My own jigsaw.
By all means, argue that I haven't and by all means ask for experiments but before you do you need to understand the denpressure setup, and none of you globalists have a clue.

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what tests and experiments have you done that has a) detected the existence of a dome and b) worked out its optical properties.
I've done many. Enough to ensure Earth is not a spinning globe and in doing that I also get to understand that Earth has a dome and how it works, which I've already explained but it gets people into a frenzy and a convenient blanking of it but then think they can argue against it all. Including yourself who tries all kinds of ridicule tactics and fails badly.


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For a man who appears to reject claims to authority you appear to love making claims to your very own authority.
I can make as many claims as I wish. Nobody has to follow anything and I never ask anyone to believe anything.
If they choose to argue my claims, which are repeatedly told as my thoughts/hypotheses and not as fact, then they need to try and learn why I think them and not pretend they know.

 
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So what do you think Flatstien?
I think lots of things, globby. What do you think?

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1820 on: September 01, 2023, 03:16:04 AM »

People learn things every day and mainly they do it by copying other people by listening and physically mimicking.


Funny.  I can use my telescope to study the moon.



Or watch a solar eclipse.  Giving every indication the moon is a 3D object.

You come along with false assertions, provide absolutely no proof, you have no working model that accurately predicts reality.

You making claims you base things off your experience.  Which is BS.

When have you created helium skin and observed its properties.

I can verify many claims concerning physics and astronomy.

I can’t very your helium skin and you can’t provide any proof.


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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1821 on: September 01, 2023, 03:18:22 AM »
how do we know how reflective helium ice is?

You can look through the posts. But sceptimatic made it clear it’s not helium ice.

Maybe you need to read what is actually posted.

😂😂😂😂😂😂

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1822 on: September 01, 2023, 04:31:36 AM »
Oh

One would think he did given you two were claiming he did.

And now you think to gotcha me?

You appear to be extremely more dishonest than before

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1823 on: September 01, 2023, 05:57:17 AM »
Oh

One would think he did given you two were claiming he did.

And now you think to gotcha me?

You appear to be extremely more dishonest than before

Had nothing to do with “gotcha”. 

It’s that sceptimatic has dug his hole deeper with their delusions by explicitly stating the dome skin of helium is something other than helium ice. It’s a skin in the delusion, not ice. 

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1824 on: September 01, 2023, 06:00:31 AM »

People learn things every day and mainly they do it by copying other people by listening and physically mimicking.


Funny.  I can use my telescope to study the moon.



You could use a telescope to also study a holographic image or reflection.


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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1825 on: September 01, 2023, 06:02:00 AM »
how do we know how reflective helium ice is?

You can look through the posts. But sceptimatic made it clear it’s not helium ice.

Maybe you need to read what is actually posted.

😂😂😂😂😂😂
Making stuff up won't help you. I never made anything clear about it not being helium ice.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1826 on: September 01, 2023, 06:04:11 AM »
Oh

One would think he did given you two were claiming he did.

And now you think to gotcha me?

You appear to be extremely more dishonest than before

Had nothing to do with “gotcha”. 

It’s that sceptimatic has dug his hole deeper with their delusions by explicitly stating the dome skin of helium is something other than helium ice. It’s a skin in the delusion, not ice.
I can see what you're trying to do and I laugh wondering why you would waste your time making stuff up about what I said.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1827 on: September 01, 2023, 06:11:28 AM »
You could use a telescope to also study a holographic image or reflection.

That also blocks the radiation, heat, and light from the sun during a solar eclipse.

« Last Edit: September 01, 2023, 06:33:49 AM by DataOverFlow2022 »

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1828 on: September 01, 2023, 06:13:02 AM »

I can see what you're trying to do and I laugh wondering why you would waste your time making stuff up about what I said.

Then you dome skin is nothing other than helium ice.  Just normal state of ice. 

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1829 on: September 01, 2023, 06:31:50 AM »
Oh

One would think he did given you two were claiming he did.

And now you think to gotcha me?

You appear to be extremely more dishonest than before

Had nothing to do with “gotcha”. 

It’s that sceptimatic has dug his hole deeper with their delusions by explicitly stating the dome skin of helium is something other than helium ice. It’s a skin in the delusion, not ice.
I can see what you're trying to do and I laugh wondering why you would waste your time making stuff up about what I said.

Ok?


You're taking skin literally.
It's an ice skin.


Which would literally mean it’s the solid form of helium.  And there for your imaginary dome should be open to detection literally as a solid for of helium. 

So why doesn’t the literal solid helium ice dome act as foundation.
Because it's not quite as broken down at the foundation.

So your dome is just plane old helium ice.  Or is it ice “not quite as broken down at the foundation.”

Whatever your word salad.  If your dome is helium ice.  It would be detectable by radar.  Be bashed by comets.  Wouldn’t provide the perfect reflect surface, and wouldn’t absorb light at the same time to prevent this.




Where do meteorites and shooting stars come from in your delusion?

And the ice dome would act like a pressure bottle where the earth’s atmosphere would be trapped and reach near equalization.  There would be no pressure gradient. 

And if atmosphere is all breaking down and getting locked in the ice dome, how is there any atmosphere left.  The density of earth’s atmosphere should be significantly reduced year to year.