Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on August 01, 2023, 03:33:02 AM

If something is at absolute zero it’s not vibrating.

Absolute zero is a minimum energy, not no energy.
Molecules still vibrate at absolute zero.

You have never witnessed absolute zero so you're basing it on nothing.
If absolute zero means things vibrate still then absolute zero is nonsense.

Quote from: JackBlack on August 01, 2023, 04:35:36 AM

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on August 01, 2023, 03:33:02 AM

If something is at absolute zero it’s not vibrating.

Absolute zero is a minimum energy, not no energy.
Molecules still vibrate at absolute zero.

You have never witnessed absolute zero so you're basing it on nothing.
If absolute zero means things vibrate still then absolute zero is nonsense.

Ok.

What does that have to do with my pinball example.  And you not able to explaining how the Mississippi River is supposedly robbing from Peter to pay Paul and what the equal and opposite reaction is for flow.

No observation offers you a spinning globe except

Except all those that you choose to ignore because you don't like them.

But plenty do.
There are the simple ones of large scale weather systems.
But also simple experiments you can do at home, like a Foucault's pendulum.
Or you can go all out, spend 10s of thousands of dollars and get a laser ring gyroscope to show the rotation.
You can then even go around the Earth and see how that rate of rotation varies with latitude (or if you can measure it in 3D, how the orientation changes).

Your wilful ignorance of these simple observations do not negate them.

If absolute zero means things vibrate still then absolute zero is nonsense.

Or, like so many things you just choose to not bother understanding anything.

Now again, care to address the multitude of issues with your delusional garbage?

You can start with the most basic:
If it is only the air, and everything is a push, that means the air, which has a greater pressure below an object than above the object, will push the object up.
This is true regardless of the mass or density of the object.
This is what a system based purely upon air and pushing forces give us.
There is no way out of this.

This alone destroys your delusional BS.

The low pressure air above CANNOT overcome the higher pressure air below to push down.
And even it was magically able to, there is absolutely no reason for this to depend upon the density/mass of the object such that some are pushed down and other are pushed up.

We can even test this with compressed air, blowing objects of different density, and seeing how the high pressure pushes the object away.

Quote from: JackBlack on August 01, 2023, 04:33:42 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 01, 2023, 02:00:46 AM

Only books tell you your stories that you perceive as fact.

No, simple observations tell us that Earth can't be flat.

No observation offers you a spinning globe except to be told that what you see is a spinning globe and just going with that flow.

Surely you jest, Sceptimatic? No observation offers a spinning globe??

Admittedly it does all depend on your interpretation of what you observe.

You observe Earth as a stationary, unmoving, infinitely flat plane, with the sun as a glowing orb which spins overhead in a giant circle. (A glowing orb that magically sinks below the flat earth horizon at the end of every day)

While others here interpret the sun as stationary and unmoving, with our planet itself as the body doing all the spinning, making it only appear the sun is doing all the moving.

Sceptimatic, it's just like when you used to ride on the merry-go-round at Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch. Michael was standing still thrusting his pelvis with lips pursed - he wasn't actually running, as he appeared to be. It was you doing all the spinning. To help you, just imagine you're back on the merry go round and the sun is Michael - just slowed down.

You can start with the most basic:
If it is only the air, and everything is a push, that means the air, which has a greater pressure below an object than above the object, will push the object up.
This is true regardless of the mass or density of the object.
This is what a system based purely upon air and pushing forces give us.
There is no way out of this.

Earlier in the thread, not so long ago, he wrote that density was a force. What does that tell you?

It tells me that it's not possible to know what he is actually talking about when he uses terms such as force, pressure or density even though it often seems the meaning is identical for all parties.

Without calibrating this discussion by having parties agreeing on strict common definitions for these terms it's never going to go anywhere.

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No observation offers you a spinning globe except to be told that what you see is a spinning globe and just going with that flow.

Surely you jest, Sceptimatic? No observation offers a spinning globe??

Admittedly it does all depend on your interpretation of what you observe.

Of course it depends only on your interpretation.
Let's be honest. If you were not massively indoctrinated into a global mindset you would never be thinking you were on a ball spinning in a space vacuum and also rotating around a massive sun. You just wouldn't because it would make no sense and what would make sense would be for everything to be localised.

Whatever Earth is in its entirety we live inside of, as far as I'm concerned.

You observe Earth as a stationary, unmoving, infinitely flat plane, with the sun as a glowing orb which spins overhead in a giant circle.

No, pay better attention.
My Earth hypothesis is not infinite. It's a cell.

 (A glowing orb that magically sinks below the flat earth horizon at the end of every day)

It simply moves down the dome and out of sight as the view into the distance becomes more densely packed atmospherically, not allowing light to reflect back to the eye in its entirety.

While others here interpret the sun as stationary and unmoving, with our planet itself as the body doing all the spinning, making it only appear the sun is doing all the moving.

You only interpret that because it's been massive hammered into your mindset.

Sceptimatic, it's just like when you used to ride on the merry-go-round at Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch. Michael was standing still thrusting his pelvis with lips pursed - he wasn't actually running, as he appeared to be. It was you doing all the spinning. To help you, just imagine you're back on the merry go round and the sun is Michael - just slowed down.

Seeing as this actually refers to your model I'll leave that with you.
When you can't think of anything to say then use something like this. It makes me smile.

Quote from: Smoke Machine on August 01, 2023, 08:25:12 PM

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No observation offers you a spinning globe except to be told that what you see is a spinning globe and just going with that flow.

Surely you jest, Sceptimatic? No observation offers a spinning globe??

Admittedly it does all depend on your interpretation of what you observe.

Of course it depends only on your interpretation.
Let's be honest. If you were not massively indoctrinated into a global mindset you would never be thinking you were on a ball spinning in a space vacuum and also rotating around a massive sun. You just wouldn't because it would make no sense and what would make sense would be for everything to be localised.

Whatever Earth is in its entirety we live inside of, as far as I'm concerned.

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You observe Earth as a stationary, unmoving, infinitely flat plane, with the sun as a glowing orb which spins overhead in a giant circle.

No, pay better attention.
My Earth hypothesis is not infinite. It's a cell.

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 (A glowing orb that magically sinks below the flat earth horizon at the end of every day)

It simply moves down the dome and out of sight as the view into the distance becomes more densely packed atmospherically, not allowing light to reflect back to the eye in its entirety.

Quote from: Smoke Machine

While others here interpret the sun as stationary and unmoving, with our planet itself as the body doing all the spinning, making it only appear the sun is doing all the moving.

You only interpret that because it's been massive hammered into your mindset.

Quote from: Smoke Machine

Sceptimatic, it's just like when you used to ride on the merry-go-round at Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch. Michael was standing still thrusting his pelvis with lips pursed - he wasn't actually running, as he appeared to be. It was you doing all the spinning. To help you, just imagine you're back on the merry go round and the sun is Michael - just slowed down.

Seeing as this actually refers to your model I'll leave that with you.
When you can't think of anything to say then use something like this. It makes me smile.

If it were the year 1600, and I spent my whole life living in a small village in Holland, and was the town's cobbler, with no aspirations to sail to the ends of the Earth, or visit other countries, I'd agree with you. I'd have no interest in what the moon is, or reaching for the stars.

Of what importance is the shape of the world to me? North, South, East, and West, and flat fold-out maps will get me wherever I want to go, locally. If you told me the world was flat, id say, "Yeah, looks that way."

The village stays the same, the sun comes and goes, and seasons come and go. I marvel at the twinkling stars at night, and go back to making shoes the next day. I, and everyone else around me, grows old. Sickness and misfortune comes and goes, but the village stays the same.

I was paying attention. I only said your flat earth model had an infinite flat plane, because you can't tell me what shape to draw on my ply wood for my to-scale, flat earth cell model. Without a shape for cell Earth, it will remain infinitely flat in all directions, and my model will have an indefinite start date. Cells are usually circular or oval in shape. Are you going to flip a coin? Heads its circular, tails its oval?

Are you reminded of when Michael played heads or tails with you?

No, pay better attention.
My Earth hypothesis is not infinite. It's a cell.

Hmm.

Because what cell expands indefinitely to take up all space?

Did you evert answer to this?

You claim air molecules expand under a vacuum.  Strange O2 molecules have no biological function and can’t replicate themselves with a biological function.  Cells don’t reproduce by “breaking down”. You can’t even prove if you evacuate atmosphere from a chamber below atmospheric pressure oxygen, nitrogen, CO2, argon change into something else to produce more helium than what you started with. If any helium was present in trace gasses.

In fact, where have you ever personally witnessed oxygen, nitrogen, CO2, argon “breaking down” to helium.  And when have you been personally present when helium in your delusion makes a “skin”?  And what biological skin is made up of only one type of atom called helium.


But I digress.

I can take a spring.  I can stretch it out until I ruin its elastic properties. It doesn’t take up more volume than when it started. 

If I can remove all the air molecules in a chamber with a volume one cubic meter but one molecule of diatomic oxygen.  Funny the air molecule doesn’t “break down”.  Funny it even stays as diatomic oxygen, two oxygen molecules chemically bonded. Sorry.  Digressed again.  Will the one O2 molecule expand to take up all space filling all that space with mass. Then why does density of the atmosphere decrease?

New thought exercise.  If there was only one O2 molecule in all the universe.  And nothing but that one molecule of O2. Would it expand to infinite mass and volume.  Wound it create a pressure without a helium skin present.


Funny you claim your dome of a helium skin isn’t foundation.  Where there is no proof of this dome in the reality of radar, space travel, acoustics, laser range finders, cosmic background radiation.  Where your skin is supposedly not helium ice, so not in a state you claim where you every personally witnessed such a skin.  But you claim it’s the reason for the pressure of the atmosphere at 14.7 psi at sea level.  Where you can’t explain why it’s not 5 psi or 20 psi.  And Indicating that in your delusion the dome is acting like a second foundation.  So, yes.  The atmosphere in your delusion should be close to uniform density, pressure, and potential where there is no pressure gradient.  Especially when you claim air molecules expand as long there is unbalanced forces present. 

Of course it depends only on your interpretation.

Sure, if you are honest, you get a spinning globe.
If you are desperate to reject reality your get fake or conspiracy or something else.

Let's be honest. If you were not massively indoctrinated into a global mindset you would never be thinking you were on a ball spinning in a space vacuum and also rotating around a massive sun. You just wouldn't because it would make no sense and what would make sense would be for everything to be localised.

You started so well, saying to be honest, but then went straight to lies.

Is "honest" another word you reject the definition of?

Let's actually be honest.
If you examined the evidence (or obtained it yourself), without any previous bias (including your bias against reality), the evidence overwhelmingly supports a RE.

It simply moves down the dome and out of sight as the view into the distance becomes more densely packed atmospherically, not allowing light to reflect back to the eye in its entirety.

No, it doesn't.
It appears to set, with Earth obstructing the view.

If it was just the atmosphere blocking it, it would take far longer and it will fade for far longer, and it would disappear high in the sky.

You only interpret that because it's been massive hammered into your mindset.

Stop repeating the same pathetic lies.
We get it, you are desperate to reject reality at all costs.
But in reality, we interpret it that way because that is what the evidence supports.
A simple observation of relative motion cannot tell what is moving.
We need something more.
From driving along a freeway, we also know that we can't directly feel motion.
And from how slow everything is moving (1 revolution per day), you can't feel the acceleration either.

So then it comes down to other methods of detecting motion, like laser ring gyroscopes; or just considering which makes more sense, Earth rotating to cause everything to appear to rotate once every 24 hours, with slower motion from things moving; or everything around Earth moving in unison to match the alternative?

Again, your wilful ignorance of evidence that shows you are wrong, or lies that it doesn't, will not change those facts.

Just like no matter how much you want to ignore it, the known laws of how gas pressure works shows your model is garbage as the air pushes up, not down.

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 01, 2023, 11:20:38 PM

No, pay better attention.
My Earth hypothesis is not infinite. It's a cell.

Ok lets go with cell.
So why does the foubdatuon crush air differently than the ice dome?
Containment is containment.

Tennis balls on the ground surrounded by 3/4 wall of ice and 1/4 wall of concrete.
Crushing and displacing (dp-ism) a ball will crush in what direction?
Why will it crush towards the concrete?


Why

Down?

I see that the title of the topic is "Experiments to disprove Denpressure".

One can only devise experiments to prove of disprove a physical theory if that theory is known.

For a theory to be known, it needs to have been clearly laid out somewhere.

So, I am asking, where is the paper, thread or post where this theory is clearly laid out in full?

I see that the title of the topic is "Experiments to disprove Denpressure".

One can only devise experiments to prove of disprove a physical theory if that theory is known.

For a theory to be known, it needs to have been clearly laid out somewhere.

So, I am asking, where is the paper, thread or post where this theory is clearly laid out in full?

You know those movies where the whacky professor is asked for his secret formula and he produces ten pieces of torn scrap paper and chewing gum wrapper from his pockets and lays them down on the table like a puzzle? You can then see the whole formula. It's like that with denpressure theory, only with scrappy posts.

Can you pay attention?

Quote from: Farenheit451 on August 02, 2023, 11:42:13 AM

I see that the title of the topic is "Experiments to disprove Denpressure".

One can only devise experiments to prove of disprove a physical theory if that theory is known.

For a theory to be known, it needs to have been clearly laid out somewhere.

So, I am asking, where is the paper, thread or post where this theory is clearly laid out in full?

You know those movies where the whacky professor is asked for his secret formula and he produces ten pieces of torn scrap paper and chewing gum wrapper from his pockets and lays them down on the table like a puzzle? You can then see the whole formula. It's like that with denpressure theory, only with scrappy posts.

Can you pay attention?

Haha, I wouldn't waste too much time trying to reconstitute the whacky professor secret formula. Pretty sure that disorganized guy would have made too many mistakes.

Good video if you get time to watch.

The Most Misunderstood Concept in Physics


A side thought.

Funny FE’ers call this or that mainstream science when often new discoveries were met with skepticism and had to be proven the hard way.

The Doctor Who Championed Hand-Washing And Briefly Saved Live

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/01/12/375663920/the-doctor-who-championed-hand-washing-and-saved-women-s-lives


Semmelweis kept trying to convince doctors in other parts of Europe to wash with chlorine, but no one would listen to him.

Washing hands is such a simple thing but was controversial in late 1800’s.

Denpressure is the creation by a person who has zero confidence in authority and qualifications. This is a person who trusts pretty much, no one, but themself.

That's a huge burdon to put on yourself.

Earth as a cell, in the context it is proposed, raises a million other questions. Living cells divide and replicate, don't they?

I just wish, Sceptimatic, you would acknowledge flat earth is an alternate way of viewing the world, as opposed to an alternate physical Earth model.

Denpressure is the creation by a person who has zero confidence in authority and qualifications. This is a person who trusts pretty much, no one, but themself.

That's a huge burdon to put on yourself.

Earth as a cell, in the context it is proposed, raises a million other questions. Living cells divide and replicate, don't they?

I just wish, Sceptimatic, you would acknowledge flat earth is an alternate way of viewing the world, as opposed to an alternate physical Earth model.

I don't know man, I just wish sceptimatic would explain why he so adamantly, authoritatively and repeatedly says that gravity does not exist for example. If he says that because he does not trust authority then it's as ridiculous as believing it just because they say it.

Of course, the reason might well be because there is denpressure and I am not paying enough attention... and so I will probably never know.

But you see, he says he is open to other theories than his, yet gravity is out of the picture completely so it means there must be a reason beyond denpressure to justify his statements about it.

And that could then only be because he discovered a reason/flaw that unequivocally proves it cannot exist.  I've seen a number of these proofs from other flat earthers and in each and every case they were as bogus as it gets, although often they are quite funny and entertaining I must admit, talking about their meme forms here.

So why doesn't sceptimatic say. Is it because he has nothing better than the others to offer on that front? I would think so otherwise why not revealing such a ground breaking discovery?

And so it all feels to me like it's just another con job no different in essence than the bogus stories about weapons of mass destruction used to justify wars, etc... we get from political authority on a regular basis.

Good video if you get time to watch.

The Most Misunderstood Concept in Physics


A side thought.

Funny FE’ers call this or that mainstream science when often new discoveries were met with skepticism and had to be proven the hard way.

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The Doctor Who Championed Hand-Washing And Briefly Saved Live

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/01/12/375663920/the-doctor-who-championed-hand-washing-and-saved-women-s-lives


Semmelweis kept trying to convince doctors in other parts of Europe to wash with chlorine, but no one would listen to him.

Washing hands is such a simple thing but was controversial in late 1800’s.

Sceppy says absolute zero is what?

Skipto 7:20

If it were the year 1600, and I spent my whole life living in a small village in Holland, and was the town's cobbler, with no aspirations to sail to the ends of the Earth, or visit other countries, I'd agree with you. I'd have no interest in what the moon is, or reaching for the stars.
Of what importance is the shape of the world to me?
North, South, East, and West, and flat fold-out maps will get me wherever I want to go, locally.
 If you told me the world was flat, id say, "Yeah, looks that way."
The village stays the same, the sun comes and goes, and seasons come and go. I marvel at the twinkling stars at night, and go back to making shoes the next day. I, and everyone else around me, grows old. Sickness and misfortune comes and goes, but the village stays the same.

It doesn't matter what you do or where you live. Everything will always stay as it is because we simply live in and on Earth and without physical proof of what it is we're actually part of in its entirety then we are reliant on feeding into stories or making best guess scenarios based on what we actually do perceive.
The problem with that is, most people are made to perceive many things their brain tells them as illogical but the illogical can be made absolute factual to that person based on subservience to authoritarian storytellers that create the world for that person.

I was paying attention. I only said your flat earth model had an infinite flat plane, because you can't tell me what shape to draw on my ply wood for my to-scale, flat earth cell model.

You clearly aren't paying attention because it's all been said for long enough and if you had you wouldn't be offering up what you do.

Without a shape for cell Earth, it will remain infinitely flat in all directions, and my model will have an indefinite start date.
 Cells are usually circular or oval in shape. Are you going to flip a coin? Heads its circular, tails its oval?

Well think of it slightly more towards oval than entirely spherical.

Are you reminded of when Michael played heads or tails with you?

Keep this up because it shows how weak you are. 

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on August 02, 2023, 04:06:28 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 01, 2023, 11:20:38 PM

No, pay better attention.
My Earth hypothesis is not infinite. It's a cell.

Ok lets go with cell.
So why does the foubdatuon crush air differently than the ice dome?

Dense mass makeup due to the immense stacking of layers that diminish in density with each stacked layer all the way up.

Containment is containment.

There are so many variations of containment.

Tennis balls on the ground surrounded by 3/4 wall of ice and 1/4 wall of concrete.
Crushing and displacing (dp-ism) a ball will crush in what direction?
Why will it crush towards the concrete?


Why

Down?

A tennis ball will decompress against anything compressing it, no matter what orientation.

Denpressure is the creation by a person who has zero confidence in authority and qualifications. This is a person who trusts pretty much, no one, but themself.

Pretty much no one is not, no one.
Making up whatever you want to make your own points appear valid to you is just that and does not make them valid to me or anyone else unless people feel they want to back you up as the twins do with each other.

That's a huge burdon to put on yourself.

There's no burden put on me as regards any of this stuff. I go about my life regardless.

Earth as a cell, in the context it is proposed, raises a million other questions. Living cells divide and replicate, don't they?

And if you paid better attention you would realise I offer Earth as just one cell attached to others likely very similar and this cell may well be replicating or even being altered over time.
But what is time to an Earth cell as opposed to the time we go by inside this cell?

I just wish, Sceptimatic, you would acknowledge flat earth is an alternate way of viewing the world, as opposed to an alternate physical Earth model.

Whatever way anyone views the Earth alternate to the mainstream ideal, is likely much more relevant than the mainstream one.

Dense mass makeup due to the immense stacking of layers that diminish in density with each stacked layer all the way up.

Your delusion is bullshit lies.

Funny you claim your dome of a helium skin isn’t foundation.  Where there is no proof of this dome in the reality of radar, space travel, acoustics, laser range finders, cosmic background radiation.  Where your skin is supposedly not helium ice, so not in a state you claim where you every personally witnessed such a skin.  But you claim it’s the reason for the pressure of the atmosphere at 14.7 psi at sea level.  Where you can’t explain why it’s not 5 psi or 20 psi.  And Indicating that in your delusion the dome is acting like a second foundation.  So, yes.  The atmosphere in your delusion should be close to uniform density, pressure, and potential where there is no pressure gradient.  Especially when you claim air molecules expand as long there is unbalanced forces present.
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The problem with that is, most people are made to perceive many things their brain tells them as illogical but the illogical can be made absolute factual to that person based on subservience to authoritarian storytellers that create the world for that person.

More so based upon a desperate need to reject reality, like you have.

Again, you can't demonstrate anything illogical about the mainstream model.
But we can demonstrate plenty of faults with your delusional BS.

Dense mass makeup due to the immense stacking of layers that diminish in density with each stacked layer all the way up.

Notice how that fails to explain anything?
Especially what was asked.
Instead you appeal to the stack already existing, with no explanation for why, and no explanation for why that should push things down.

A tennis ball will decompress against anything compressing it, no matter what orientation.

So why is your air magically different?

Whatever way anyone views the Earth alternate to the mainstream ideal, is likely much more relevant than the mainstream one.

Why?
Because you hate reality, and are desperate to pretend it can't be real?

Again, you are unable to show a single fault with the mainstream model, and your model is DOA, from trivial experiments which demonstrate beyond any sane doubt that displacing a fluid results in an upwards force due to the pressure gradient in that fluid.

Quote from: Smoke Machine on August 03, 2023, 03:00:38 PM

Denpressure is the creation by a person who has zero confidence in authority and qualifications. This is a person who trusts pretty much, no one, but themself.

Pretty much no one is not, no one.
Making up whatever you want to make your own points appear valid to you is just that and does not make them valid to me or anyone else unless people feel they want to back you up as the twins do with each other.

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That's a huge burdon to put on yourself.

There's no burden put on me as regards any of this stuff. I go about my life regardless.

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Earth as a cell, in the context it is proposed, raises a million other questions. Living cells divide and replicate, don't they?

And if you paid better attention you would realise I offer Earth as just one cell attached to others likely very similar and this cell may well be replicating or even being altered over time.
But what is time to an Earth cell as opposed to the time we go by inside this cell?

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I just wish, Sceptimatic, you would acknowledge flat earth is an alternate way of viewing the world, as opposed to an alternate physical Earth model.

Whatever way anyone views the Earth alternate to the mainstream ideal, is likely much more relevant than the mainstream one.

Yes, I agree. The flat earth model, is perhaps more relevant to the life of an individual human, than the globe earth model. It's ironic, given the globe earth model makes more logical sense than the flat earth model.

I say this because the ramifications of the globe earth model are staggering and mind boggling. A person's memories are associated with people, times, dates, events, and places here on Earth.

When a person remembers what happened a year ago at a certain place, they are not thinking of the globe earth model fact, the Earth has completed a full orbit around the sun in that time, travelling 940 million kilometres. Nobody thinks about any event six months earlier, being 470 million kilometres away on the opposite side of the sun, with the opposite side of the sun facing them. Nobody thinks of the sun itself orbiting the centre of the galaxy, and Earth dragged along through space as a passenger, which is about 6,942,672,000 thousand kilometres a year. Why not add in the distance we each travel during one day of Earth's rotation? This is all without even mentioning speeds!

If these things were so important to our lives, and integral to our survival, we would think about them all the time. Instead, they interfere and are a distraction, probably because our lives have enough pressures.

The figures and the science, are so massive and complex, that it is just more practical and efficient to disregard the whole lot, and not invest brain power thinking about all that, which is what we instinctively all do anyway. Imagine the headaches from trying to file away all that extra scientific data with each and every memory, or even maintaining an awareness of it all when presently going about life?  You just can't.

Sceptimatic, and the other flat earthers recognise all this.

Yes, I agree. The flat earth model, is perhaps more relevant to the life of an individual human, than the globe earth model. It's ironic, given the globe earth model makes more logical sense than the flat earth model.

I say this because the ramifications of the globe earth model are staggering and mind boggling. A person's memories are associated with people, times, dates, events, and places here on Earth.

When a person remembers what happened a year ago at a certain place, they are not thinking of the globe earth model fact, the Earth has completed a full orbit around the sun in that time, travelling 940 million kilometres. Nobody thinks about any event six months earlier, being 470 million kilometres away on the opposite side of the sun, with the opposite side of the sun facing them. Nobody thinks of the sun itself orbiting the centre of the galaxy, and Earth dragged along through space as a passenger, which is about 6,942,672,000 thousand kilometres a year. Why not add in the distance we each travel during one day of Earth's rotation? This is all without even mentioning speeds!

If these things were so important to our lives, and integral to our survival, we would think about them all the time. Instead, they interfere and are a distraction, probably because our lives have enough pressures.

The figures and the science, are so massive and complex, that it is just more practical and efficient to disregard the whole lot, and not invest brain power thinking about all that, which is what we instinctively all do anyway. Imagine the headaches from trying to file away all that extra scientific data with each and every memory, or even maintaining an awareness of it all when presently going about life?  You just can't.

Sceptimatic, and the other flat earthers recognise all this.

No, instead they don't think about the shape of Earth at all.
They aren't imagining Earth being a giant flat disc, with the sun circling above.

They just think about what is important.

Also, the sun rotates as well, (and at a different rate for each part), so we wouldn't be facing the other side of the sun.

Quote from: Smoke Machine on August 04, 2023, 12:08:20 PM

Yes, I agree. The flat earth model, is perhaps more relevant to the life of an individual human, than the globe earth model. It's ironic, given the globe earth model makes more logical sense than the flat earth model.

I say this because the ramifications of the globe earth model are staggering and mind boggling. A person's memories are associated with people, times, dates, events, and places here on Earth.

When a person remembers what happened a year ago at a certain place, they are not thinking of the globe earth model fact, the Earth has completed a full orbit around the sun in that time, travelling 940 million kilometres. Nobody thinks about any event six months earlier, being 470 million kilometres away on the opposite side of the sun, with the opposite side of the sun facing them. Nobody thinks of the sun itself orbiting the centre of the galaxy, and Earth dragged along through space as a passenger, which is about 6,942,672,000 thousand kilometres a year. Why not add in the distance we each travel during one day of Earth's rotation? This is all without even mentioning speeds!

If these things were so important to our lives, and integral to our survival, we would think about them all the time. Instead, they interfere and are a distraction, probably because our lives have enough pressures.

The figures and the science, are so massive and complex, that it is just more practical and efficient to disregard the whole lot, and not invest brain power thinking about all that, which is what we instinctively all do anyway. Imagine the headaches from trying to file away all that extra scientific data with each and every memory, or even maintaining an awareness of it all when presently going about life?  You just can't.

Sceptimatic, and the other flat earthers recognise all this.

No, instead they don't think about the shape of Earth at all.
They aren't imagining Earth being a giant flat disc, with the sun circling above.

They just think about what is important.

Also, the sun rotates as well, (and at a different rate for each part), so we wouldn't be facing the other side of the sun.

They may be being self centred or Earth centred. They may twist and warp - corrupt a common truth. Do you think all the time about all those additional distances and speeds you are travelling just by being on the surface of the Earth, Jack?

Yep, I was wrong. The sun rotates as well, meaning we wouldn't be facing the other side of the sun in six months. Boy, am I glad you picked up on that!

Sceptimatic is right. Unless you are learning about orbittal mechanics or outer space, or working for a space agency or a scientist actively involved in work to do with outer space, it's useless information. It isn't relevant to us. You tell me, Jack - of what practical use is all that information, especially when everybody experiences life on earth as if earth were flat, and files memories away in their heads as if the Earth were flat?

Maybe this is the true message of the flat Earther. "Why gunk up your mind with useless information that isn't relevant? Just be a flat Earther."

They may be being self centred or Earth centred. They may twist and warp - corrupt a common truth. Do you think all the time about all those additional distances and speeds you are travelling just by being on the surface of the Earth, Jack?

Great job entirely ignoring the point.
The overall point is they don't think about the shape of Earth at all.
They aren't thinking Earth is flat, nor are they thinking it is round.
For the most part, they don't care.

So why gunk up your mind with useless information that isn't relevant by being a FEer?
Instead, just don't care about the shape.

especially when everybody experiences life on earth as if earth were flat, and files memories away in their heads as if the Earth were flat?

Again, they experience life on Earth as if it were round, flat, a cube, a dodecahedron, etc.
The shape doesn't matter.
They act as if Earth is Earth with some undefined shape.

Quote from: Smoke Machine on August 04, 2023, 03:40:18 PM

They may be being self centred or Earth centred. They may twist and warp - corrupt a common truth. Do you think all the time about all those additional distances and speeds you are travelling just by being on the surface of the Earth, Jack?

Great job entirely ignoring the point.
The overall point is they don't think about the shape of Earth at all.
They aren't thinking Earth is flat, nor are they thinking it is round.
For the most part, they don't care.

So why gunk up your mind with useless information that isn't relevant by being a FEer?
Instead, just don't care about the shape.

Quote from: Smoke Machine on August 04, 2023, 03:40:18 PM

especially when everybody experiences life on earth as if earth were flat, and files memories away in their heads as if the Earth were flat?

Again, they experience life on Earth as if it were round, flat, a cube, a dodecahedron, etc.
The shape doesn't matter.
They act as if Earth is Earth with some undefined shape.

No, great job to you entirely missing my point. You're just like Sceptimatic, selectively refusing to answer a direct question.

The point I made, is relevance. They are only dismissing Earth as a globe, because Earth as a globe means outer space, Earth is moving, our solar system, other planets, moons, etc., which is not relevant to their immediate concerns and lives, andtheir argument is why waste precious thought thinking about it?

Denpressure is just an attempt to stay within that flat earth mindset.

Jack, why don't you explain how all that science about everything to do with our planet and solar system, you know so well, isn't useless information, and is indeed relevant for someone like Sceptimatic?

No, great job to you entirely missing my point. You're just like Sceptimatic, selectively refusing to answer a direct question.

The point I made, is relevance. They are only dismissing Earth as a globe, because Earth as a globe means outer space, Earth is moving, our solar system, other planets, moons, etc., which is not relevant to their immediate concerns and lives, andtheir argument is why waste precious thought thinking about it?

Denpressure is just an attempt to stay within that flat earth mindset.

Jack, why don't you explain how all that science about everything to do with our planet and solar system, you know so well, isn't useless information, and is indeed relevant for someone like Sceptimatic?

Have I, or have you missed mine?

You have claimed that the FE model is more relevant, when it isn't.

My point, which you are again entirely ignoring is that for most activity, the shape of Earth doesn't matter.

Your question entirely misses the point.
You are setting up a strawman to knock down.
I'm not saying the RE is more relevant. I'm saying neither is relevant for day to day activities.
So why ask how is RE relavent?
I can ask the same, how is FE relavent?

This isn't refusing to answer a direct question. This is pointing out how your question isn't relevant at all and is attacking a strawman.
Your question is like asking when you stopped beating your wife.
So go ask someone who is claiming actively thinking about the RE is relevant to day to day life.

Alternatively, trying explaining how FE, with all its delusional BS, is relavent.

Woo-hoo big numbers.
 In one year we make it 0.00000000454545455  percent of the way around the Galactic center.
In one day we make it 0.273972602 percent of the way around the Sun.
In one hour the Earth rotates 4.166666666 percent of a full turn.
Pretty slow considering the vast distances.  Not worth thinking about on a daily basis.  Kinda like constantly wondering how fast the grass is growing under the trees in my front yard during fall. 
But this thread is about a experiment to show denpressure is a better fit than gravity. 
Crickets......
Nothing...
Still. 
The ideas for this experiment are speeding along into this thread slower than the galactic year(roughly 220 million Earth years).  But hey, I guess there's a chance.

The point I made, is relevance. They are only dismissing Earth as a globe, because Earth as a globe means outer space, Earth is moving, our solar system, other planets, moons, etc., which is not relevant to their immediate concerns and lives, andtheir argument is why waste precious thought thinking about it?

Denpressure is just an attempt to stay within that flat earth.

What you say makes no sense at all.

FEers aren't like what you say at all. They have this forum and other dedicated places to talk about it. They go to other, more generic forums, to propagandise their "model",  trying to instil FUD into the mind of other people as to the nature of their reality, telling them they are lied to about it on a grand scale, etc... that's not people who waste little thinking about it at all. What they waste little time with however, is thinking straight...

And denpressure is a con job. Whether he cons himself too remains to be seen but he is too clever for that IMHO.  He claims to have made numerous experiments to back up his wide reaching model/system but has failed so far to describe any. You ask yourself why.