Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?

"All it takes for BS to triumph, is for intelligent people to say nothing".

That sums you up, Jack Black. Right there in that one sentence you typed. That's your motto, your signature, and your motivation.

However, that sentence you typed, is a load of BS. Since when has BS ever triumphed, and saying lots, the way of the intelligent man?

Is hitting your head against a brick wall, intelligent? Is trying to turn water into wine, intelligent? Is trying to get Sceptimatic to concede defeat in any flat earth debate, intelligent? I would argue that an intelligent person would say nothing, and 50 pages of not saying nothing is - unintelligent.

Back to the former, the difference between BS and evil, is BS never ever triumphs in the end. BS always ends up losing. BS always has more holes than a block of Swiss cheese. But is it intelligent to pick out and identify every single hole, just to know it's a block of Swiss cheese?

Are you seriously worried flat earth is getting a firmer footprint in the world? Flat Earthers are just obsessed about the world having a rim. It reminds them of their favourite pastime - rimming.

You're taking skin literally.
It's an ice skin.

Which would literally mean it’s the solid form of helium.  And there for your imaginary dome should be open to detection literally as a solid for of helium. 

So why doesn’t the literal solid helium ice dome act as foundation. 

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You basically get what you deserve, to be fair.

No, I don't.
Getting what I deserve would be either you admitting your model does not work, and cannot work.

No, that's getting what you would love. I'm offering you little and often because you deserve little and often because basically, you are simply nasty, like your brother.

Hmm..


I have observed there is no direct correlation between pressure / atmosphere driving tides, flow of rivers, and weight.  They are primarily driven by a phenomenon called gravity.

You have observed nothing of the sort and you certainly have not observed gravity.
You simply have a belief system of gravity because that's what you were told...nothing more.

I have observed you can dump something like diatomic nitrogen into a chamber lower than atmospheric pressure and pump it into another gas battle.  During the process it stays N2.  It never “breaks down” into anything.

You don't even know what you're saying.

I have ran processes using molecular sieve over a range of pressures to remove CO2 indicating that individual molecules are a fixed size. 

If they were all a fixed size you could never sieve so get your mind right.

I have observed items with the same size but different densities can and do drop at the same rates.

You observed something at a low level to be close to falling the same but you know at a greater height there would be notable differences.
The low fall is a big con job.

I can observe that atmosphere doesn’t “push” things down.

No you can't.

  But things are pulled through the atmosphere downward by the swirling wake it leaves from drag.

You don't even know what you're saying with this and you can't understand your wake.

I can observe electron flow.

You can observe a spark.

I can use by telescope to see the moon is a three dimensional object.

Can you see yourself in a mirror?
What dimension are you?

I can see the moon is a solid object by the way it blocks distant objects behind it from view as it travels the night sky. 

You believe it is because you bought into your moon being a big rock that men supposedly landed on. Nothing more than that.

I can observe that I can only throw my kid up in the air two foot when in the pool.  But I can push them in a cart so they coast 10 or more feet indicating there is a force that opposes a change in height not based on air resistance.

That's because you are using layering of atmosphere in the stacked and horizontal which are both massively different and you simply can't understand it despite being explained to many many times.

I can witness a ball or brick thrown straight up into the air slows down faster than what is accounted for by air resistance.

No you can't. You think you can because you were told this fictional gravity offers something even though you have absolutely no clue as to what it is....and for good reason.

You sceptimatic haven’t posted anything that shows you actually observe the world.  And literally cannot provide real world experiments that proves your delusion in a thread titled, “Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?”

If any of it hit you in the face like a wet fish you'd claim the big red mark was sun burn and the stinking fish smell was aftershave gone off.

back to water and air


do you agree fluids push and crush directionally from high crush to a lower crush?

Not all flat Earth theorists have an Earth with a rim.

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 13, 2023, 07:51:43 AM

You're taking skin literally.
It's an ice skin.

Which would literally mean it’s the solid form of helium.  And there for your imaginary dome should be open to detection literally as a solid for of helium. 

So why doesn’t the literal solid helium ice dome act as foundation.

Because it's not quite as broken down at the foundation.

back to water and air


do you agree fluids push and crush directionally from high crush to a lower crush?

Fluids crush in all ways.
The difference in the crush is based on the molecular make-up and resistance which depends on how much crush force there is.
I'm almost sure you'll take another massive step backward as you regularly do.

Because it's not quite as broken down at the foundation.

Where in your delusion does helium come from.  And it doesn’t make a skin.  It’s either solid, liquid, gas, or plasma.

Again.  I can take a bottle of nitrogen, flow it into a chamber with pressure less than atmospheric pressure, then the suction of a positive displacement pump will draw the nitrogen in, the pump will press it back up to pressure to flow into a second gas bottle.

The nitrogen doesn’t “break” down.  It stays nitrogen through the whole process.

You can react nitrogen with hydrogen and make ammonia.

You can actually store more hydrogens per volume as ammonia vs liquid hydrogen. 

You can start knocking off protons and neutrons to make smaller radioactive atoms.


You claim helium is “renewable”.  Explain how I can make helium in den pressure delusion from air composed of O2, N2, CO2, and argon.

Your delusion has nothing to do with reality.

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I can observe electron flow.

You can observe a spark.

A “spark” is from something mechanical.  Like flint hitting steel.

This picture is from the flow of electrons across the gap of an igniter.  Similar to a spark plug. It doesn’t require oxygen to make the arc.  Like as in how vacuum tubes work.

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I can use by telescope to see the moon is a three dimensional object.

Can you see yourself in a mirror?
What dimension are you?

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I can see the moon is a solid object by the way it blocks distant objects behind it from view as it travels the night sky. 

You believe it is because you bought into your moon being a big rock that men supposedly landed on. Nothing more than that.

The mirror image appears flat.  I can see the shadowing as the light changes overtime on the moon’s 3D surface.  Coupled with when I watch solar eclipses the moon literally blocks the light and radiation from the sun.  So there is a darkness and noticeable cooling during a solar eclipse.

What are you.  Like stupid? 


Anyway.  Then there are radar surveys of the moon.  And HAM radio operators can bounce radio waves off the moon.  (And not the skin of your dome hmmm).  Items you cannot prove they are false in any way.

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I can observe that atmosphere doesn’t “push” things down.

No you can't.

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  But things are pulled through the atmosphere downward by the swirling wake it leaves from drag.

You don't even know what you're saying with this and you can't understand your wake.

Literally right there in the clip.  No evidence the atmosphere is “pushing the ball down”.  The atmosphere would have to actually be moving downward to convey the ball down along with it.  That is how fluids work. 

The “atmosphere” doesn’t have to move down because gravity is pulling it down. 

Note.  Added.  The wake is the low area behind the ball as the ball creates higher pressure in front of it.  The area of drag behind the ball.  The wake shows no evidence the atmosphere is staying a consistent higher pressure or maintaining a consistent density to push the ball down like a ram rod. 

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I can observe that I can only throw my kid up in the air two foot when in the pool.  But I can push them in a cart so they coast 10 or more feet indicating there is a force that opposes a change in height not based on air resistance.

That's because you are using layering of atmosphere in the stacked and horizontal which are both massively different and you simply can't understand it despite being explained to many many times.

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I can witness a ball or brick thrown straight up into the air slows down faster than what is accounted for by air resistance.

No you can't. You think you can because you were told this fictional gravity offers something even though you have absolutely no clue as to what it is....and for good reason.

Ok?

And again…

Again..

There is no directionality in den pressure delusion.  Is it false to state if I move my hand horizontal back and forth, it should have the same resistance if I move my hand vertical up and down?


Back to a ball thrown straight up where it is slowed down faster than what is accounted for by air resistance.

I can further illustrate this by upping the weight, and changing the model to exaggerate the downward force of gravity.  That things are actually attracted to earth.

I can make a 2000 lbs steel sled with four wheels, and channeling / guides.

For the horizontal version, something like this.



The wheels fit in the channels or guides. The wheels use good bearings.  I can push it with my body.  Probably with a good shove, get the wheeled sled to coast a bit of a distance on its own.  I could even use a winch rated for 500 pounds and get the thing to move.  I could even build all kinds of walls and roofs around it if your worried about “foundation” in the context of horizontal movement with the ground.

Now.  In den pressure delusion.  There should be no “directionality”. Or solved by building a “foundation” perpendicular to the movement of the sled?

But if I take the same set up, and make it vertical where I can stand under and push up.  Something like this.

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I cannot push the sled away from the earth, and there is no way in hell I can give it a shove to coast upward on its own.


There is clearly a force of attraction towards the earth that fights a change in attitude.  The same winch rated for 500 pounds that could move the sled horizontally would damage itself trying to pick up the sled vertically. A larger winch with more power and rated for lifting would be required.  The force that prevents one from pushing the sled up vertically, and requires a more powerful winch for lifting the sled is gravity.

Only a true troll would dedicate 10 years to the lie that is den pressure delusion.  And keep using the same blatant lies, and have to fall back on deflection, and false accusations of not “understanding.”


It takes a vertical air speed up of over 120 mph to make an average person to fall up.  Why doesn’t it take a 120 mph vertical air speed down in den pressure delusion to convey a person down, or to “push a person down”.

Den pressure delusion is stupid.

A recreational wind tunnel enables human beings to experience the sensation of flight without planes or parachutes, through the force of wind being generated vertically. Air moves upwards at approximately 195 km/h (120 mph or 55 m/s), the terminal velocity of a falling human body belly-downwards. A vertical wind tunnel is frequently called 'indoor skydiving' due to the popularity of vertical wind tunnels among skydivers, who report that the sensation is extremely similar to skydiving. The human body 'floats' in midair in a vertical wind tunnel, replicating the physics of 'body flight' or 'bodyflight' experienced during freefall.[1]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_wind_tunnel

. It’s not about your delusion.  It’s about understanding the actual world, and the ability to model it to make accurate predictions and safe equipment/buildings/structures.

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back to water and air


do you agree fluids push and crush directionally from high crush to a lower crush?

Fluids crush in all ways.
The difference in the crush is based on the molecular make-up and resistance which depends on how much crush force there is.
I'm almost sure you'll take another massive step backward as you regularly do.

cool

except you can experimentally change the fluid and see that the object being crushed will rise or lower.

take tap water in a glass.
drop a hard boiled egg.
watch it sink to bottom.

dump a container full of salt into the water.
watch the egg float up.

there's something about the fluid that pushes.
curshes.
and that direction is up and depended on the properties of the fluid.

the egg's displacement of atmospheric sponge air didn't change did it?


use a helium balloon in an air-air container.
pump in hydrongen-only gas into the air container and watch the helium balloon sink.

did the helium balloon change just because you changed the fluid?

What dimension are you?

If you have a friend far away where you can both see the moon at the same time.  You can make a close calculation how faraway the moon is, and then you could calculate how big it is.

How Anyone Can Measure The Distance To The Moon Using Cameras

You have observed nothing of the sort and you certainly have not observed gravity.

Which is a blatant lies. And you still haven’t shared any documentation experiment that proves den pressure in a thread literally titled, “ Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?”


Can you answer if there is directionality to den pressure delusion? I thought you posted no. But only could find you dodging the question. 


Example.  In den pressure delusion there is no extra force lifting and raising my hand vertically compared to moving my hand back and forth horizontal? 

Quote from: MouseWalker on July 10, 2023, 02:45:57 PM

Two balls one mad of glass one of wood droop in water one sinks the other floats how does den-pressure tell the difference. the size of the balls are the same!

Porosity and displacement.

Basically how much atmosphere is within a structure and how much a structure can displace atmosphere.

as the size is the same atmosphere displacement is the same.

"All it takes for BS to triumph, is for intelligent people to say nothing".

That sums you up, Jack Black. Right there in that one sentence you typed. That's your motto, your signature, and your motivation.

However, that sentence you typed, is a load of BS. Since when has BS ever triumphed, and saying lots, the way of the intelligent man?

Is hitting your head against a brick wall, intelligent? Is trying to turn water into wine, intelligent? Is trying to get Sceptimatic to concede defeat in any flat earth debate, intelligent? I would argue that an intelligent person would say nothing, and 50 pages of not saying nothing is - unintelligent.

Back to the former, the difference between BS and evil, is BS never ever triumphs in the end. BS always ends up losing. BS always has more holes than a block of Swiss cheese. But is it intelligent to pick out and identify every single hole, just to know it's a block of Swiss cheese?

Are you seriously worried flat earth is getting a firmer footprint in the world? Flat Earthers are just obsessed about the world having a rim. It reminds them of their favourite pastime - rimming.

If BS never triumphs then either you or I haven't been paying close enough attention.
But we did actually elect Trump once, so there's that.  We also went crazy over wearing a mask when it did nothing.  We had groups of people follow their political leaders in first denouncing a vaccine then preaching that it was the ultimate cure and anyone who disagrees with them is evil, no matter where on that timeline you pick. 
But hey, sure BS never prevails, human beings aren't inherently stupid, and there are no gulible people who believe someone who factually state things that are unproven.  Yep no group of morons stormed a capital building thinking an election was stolen.  No group of morons tried burning down courthouses because they were taking advantage of some very bad things that happened to a few black men.  I guess those were not based/fueled/triggered from BS that wasn't challenged enough. 
No, a belief in FE isn't likely going to incite violence, but most religions don't start out intending on inciting violence either and see where that has led thus far.

However, that sentence you typed, is a load of BS. Since when has BS ever triumphed, and saying lots, the way of the intelligent man?

Look at things like solar roadways, with so much money wasted.
Look at things like creationism in the US.
Look what all the BS caused with things like COVID.

I would argue that an intelligent person would say nothing, and 50 pages of not saying nothing is - unintelligent.

And I would argue that you are wrong.

It isn't about convincing the conman like specti that they are wrong. It is more about stopping anyone else believing their BS.

As for evil, evil and BS often go hand in hand, with BS used to justify the evil.
So if BS couldn't triumph from intelligent people saying nothing; then evil would not be able to triumph from good people saying nothing.

If they were all a fixed size you could never sieve so get your mind right.

You sure do love this dishonest BS don't you?

The fact that each molecule has a fixed size means you CAN sieve them.
It means small molecules can pass through while larger molecules can't.
If your delusional BS was true, then all molecules would be able to squeeze through, or all molecules would expand to not be able to go through.
There would be no reason for some to pass through but not others.

Molecules having a fixed size does NOT mean they are all the same size.
This was explained to you repeatedly; yet here you are lying and acting like it does yet again.

The low fall is a big con job.

No, the low fall is to demonstrate it when there is negligible air resistance.

Considering the widely different densities used, with some objects having many times the density of the other; if there was going to be a difference it should be visible.

No you can't.

Yes, we can.
Again, the pressure is greater at the bottom, meaning it pushes up.

You believe it is because you bought into your moon being a big rock that men supposedly landed on. Nothing more than that.

No, it is because of the reasons provided. Observations.
There are plenty of observations which show the moon is 3D. There is nothing to suggest otherwise.

That's because you are using layering of atmosphere in the stacked and horizontal which are both massively different and you simply can't understand it despite being explained to many many times.

No, we do understand.
There is no significant difference for the atmosphere.
The atmosphere is not a magic springboard.
It will mostly just move around the object.
We also know that the pressure gradient pushes up.
So if it was just the atmosphere, the object should slow down less going up, and slow down more going down.

We can also see a big difference between how air resistance slows thigns down based upon area, and inversely with mass.
So a light object with a large area is slowed down much more than a heavy object with a small area.
Yet when throwing up, we see everything slow down much faster, with it slowing down at roughly 9.8 m/s^2.

Again, this shows there is another force acting.

You cannot provide any reason for why the air should cause it to slow down more when it is going up, and why it shouldn't care about area and mass.

No you can't. You think you can because you were told this fictional gravity

We can.
It is a direct simple observation which has nothing at all to do with accepting gravity.
Gravity comes from this. It provides an explanation for the observation.

Fluids crush in all ways.
The difference in the crush is based on the molecular make-up and resistance which depends on how much crush force there is.
I'm almost sure you'll take another massive step backward as you regularly do.

Yes, they apply a force in all directions.
That is how pressure in fluids work.

The important part is that the pressure is greater below. This means overall, it pushes up. It does NOT push down.

Again, your nonsense doesn't work at all.
Mainstream science does.

Quote from: Smoke Machine on July 14, 2023, 07:02:03 AM

"All it takes for BS to triumph, is for intelligent people to say nothing".

That sums you up, Jack Black. Right there in that one sentence you typed. That's your motto, your signature, and your motivation.

However, that sentence you typed, is a load of BS. Since when has BS ever triumphed, and saying lots, the way of the intelligent man?

Is hitting your head against a brick wall, intelligent? Is trying to turn water into wine, intelligent? Is trying to get Sceptimatic to concede defeat in any flat earth debate, intelligent? I would argue that an intelligent person would say nothing, and 50 pages of not saying nothing is - unintelligent.

Back to the former, the difference between BS and evil, is BS never ever triumphs in the end. BS always ends up losing. BS always has more holes than a block of Swiss cheese. But is it intelligent to pick out and identify every single hole, just to know it's a block of Swiss cheese?

Are you seriously worried flat earth is getting a firmer footprint in the world? Flat Earthers are just obsessed about the world having a rim. It reminds them of their favourite pastime - rimming.

If BS never triumphs then either you or I haven't been paying close enough attention.
But we did actually elect Trump once, so there's that.  We also went crazy over wearing a mask when it did nothing.  We had groups of people follow their political leaders in first denouncing a vaccine then preaching that it was the ultimate cure and anyone who disagrees with them is evil, no matter where on that timeline you pick. 
But hey, sure BS never prevails, human beings aren't inherently stupid, and there are no gulible people who believe someone who factually state things that are unproven.  Yep no group of morons stormed a capital building thinking an election was stolen.  No group of morons tried burning down courthouses because they were taking advantage of some very bad things that happened to a few black men.  I guess those were not based/fueled/triggered from BS that wasn't challenged enough. 
No, a belief in FE isn't likely going to incite violence, but most religions don't start out intending on inciting violence either and see where that has led thus far.

Trump was a great president or a lousy one, depending on your political views. If he was a great president, then all those lazy American fools who couldn't be bothered voting, had a solid win.

You say mask wearing did nothing, yet I experimented with wearing masks around heaps of covid 19 infected people, and I never caught it. I also experimented wearing masks around people with influenza and I never caught that. I did catch covid-19 when i wasnt wearing a mask around covid-19 infected people. So from my perspective, masks were a godsend and worked extremely well.

Likewise, I'm an advocate of the covid vaccine, and believe many millions of people were saved thanks to the vaccine. If you follow science, you would know the mrna vaccine for covid has paved the way for the cure of many other viruses that affect millions of people. So, so far, I disagree with everything you've written, no example of BS prevailing so far.

Yep, a bunch of morons did storm the capital building and enacted violence. Did their BS triumph - they were all identified and arrested, so no. Did the morons who tried burning down a few courthouses triumph? Nope - arrested.

All instances fuelled by BS where BS lost in the end.

FE is like living off the grid in your mind. Your view of the world is no longer being powered by science and authority. How can that possibly triumph? 

Denpressure is simply air pressure. You can create a vacuum chamber in your own lounge room with transparent walls, which is simply a chamber devoid of all denpressure. No air molecules in the chamber.

You can then test if objects still fall in that chamber, which they do. You can then test if they fall faster in the vacuum chamber than in normal air pressure, (I mean denpressure) which they will, thus proving air provides resistance to whatever force makes the objects fall and air doesn't make objects fall.

Every person in this thread could do this experiment, including Sceptimatic. What other experiment is needed?

Take away the denpressure/air pressure, and objects still fall. Has denpressure triumphed over gravity? Only if you're a flat earther who's mind is unplugged from the grid and wants to keep their flat earth mindset alive.

I don't know what's worse - flat earthers who love the idea of the world having a rim, reminding them of their favourite passtime, or flat earthers who love the idea of the Earth as a cell, reminding them of the homemade sex dungeon cells in the dingy basement under their house.

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Quote from: Smoke Machine on July 14, 2023, 07:02:03 AM

"All it takes for BS to triumph, is for intelligent people to say nothing".

That sums you up, Jack Black. Right there in that one sentence you typed. That's your motto, your signature, and your motivation.

However, that sentence you typed, is a load of BS. Since when has BS ever triumphed, and saying lots, the way of the intelligent man?

Is hitting your head against a brick wall, intelligent? Is trying to turn water into wine, intelligent? Is trying to get Sceptimatic to concede defeat in any flat earth debate, intelligent? I would argue that an intelligent person would say nothing, and 50 pages of not saying nothing is - unintelligent.

Back to the former, the difference between BS and evil, is BS never ever triumphs in the end. BS always ends up losing. BS always has more holes than a block of Swiss cheese. But is it intelligent to pick out and identify every single hole, just to know it's a block of Swiss cheese?

Are you seriously worried flat earth is getting a firmer footprint in the world? Flat Earthers are just obsessed about the world having a rim. It reminds them of their favourite pastime - rimming.

If BS never triumphs then either you or I haven't been paying close enough attention.
But we did actually elect Trump once, so there's that.  We also went crazy over wearing a mask when it did nothing.  We had groups of people follow their political leaders in first denouncing a vaccine then preaching that it was the ultimate cure and anyone who disagrees with them is evil, no matter where on that timeline you pick. 
But hey, sure BS never prevails, human beings aren't inherently stupid, and there are no gulible people who believe someone who factually state things that are unproven.  Yep no group of morons stormed a capital building thinking an election was stolen.  No group of morons tried burning down courthouses because they were taking advantage of some very bad things that happened to a few black men.  I guess those were not based/fueled/triggered from BS that wasn't challenged enough. 
No, a belief in FE isn't likely going to incite violence, but most religions don't start out intending on inciting violence either and see where that has led thus far.

Trump was a great president or a lousy one, depending on your political views. If he was a great president, then all those lazy American fools who couldn't be bothered voting, had a solid win.

You say mask wearing did nothing, yet I experimented with wearing masks around heaps of covid 19 infected people, and I never caught it. I also experimented wearing masks around people with influenza and I never caught that. I did catch covid-19 when i wasnt wearing a mask around covid-19 infected people. So from my perspective, masks were a godsend and worked extremely well.

Likewise, I'm an advocate of the covid vaccine, and believe many millions of people were saved thanks to the vaccine. If you follow science, you would know the mrna vaccine for covid has paved the way for the cure of many other viruses that affect millions of people. So, so far, I disagree with everything you've written, no example of BS prevailing so far.

Yep, a bunch of morons did storm the capital building and enacted violence. Did their BS triumph - they were all identified and arrested, so no. Did the morons who tried burning down a few courthouses triumph? Nope - arrested.

All instances fuelled by BS where BS lost in the end.

FE is like living off the grid in your mind. Your view of the world is no longer being powered by science and authority. How can that possibly triumph? 

Denpressure is simply air pressure. You can create a vacuum chamber in your own lounge room with transparent walls, which is simply a chamber devoid of all denpressure. No air molecules in the chamber.

You can then test if objects still fall in that chamber, which they do. You can then test if they fall faster in the vacuum chamber than in normal air pressure, (I mean denpressure) which they will, thus proving air provides resistance to whatever force makes the objects fall and air doesn't make objects fall.

Every person in this thread could do this experiment, including Sceptimatic. What other experiment is needed?

Take away the denpressure/air pressure, and objects still fall. Has denpressure triumphed over gravity? Only if you're a flat earther who's mind is unplugged from the grid and wants to keep their flat earth mindset alive.

I don't know what's worse - flat earthers who love the idea of the world having a rim, reminding them of their favourite passtime, or flat earthers who love the idea of the Earth as a cell, reminding them of the homemade sex dungeon cells in the dingy basement under their house.

Read what I said again and try, to put your emotions aside for 2 seconds.
Did I make a claim about the vaccine?  no.  Did the most recent medical findings say that mask wearing had no real effect on the spread of Covid, yeah.  Did I say I wasn't one of the people dutifully wearing my mask when told to? No.  Trump was a master at the art of slinging BS and I'm pretty sure that it was a big reason he got elected. 
Just because some got arrested doesn't mean they were not negatively influenced by some BS slinging asshat and they believed it enough to go and act terribly.
Seriously, you must be delusional if you think BS always loses. 
But you won't admit anything that disagrees your feelings that Jack must be wrong right, you mainly want to troll Jack.  There was another person who was emotionally unbalanced around Jack once upon a time... oh yeah you jumped on board with him too right, almost like... an alt would.  Listen, Jack is an asshole, Jack says things that piss me off too, but IU don't go out of my way to whine and cry and continually fail to try to get him in various gotchas.  But you do you.

I also experimented wearing masks around people with influenza and I never caught that.

I was around people that had covid and wore no mask.  And I didn’t catch covid. 

I never catch the flu. But usually get a cold once a year.

Back to masks.  Which are Personal protective equipment, to be effective they have to seal.  The cheap cloth and surgical masks don’t seal.  It was found that covid could hang in the air.  Cheap masks and masks made out of t-shirts were too porous.  For mask to be effective they have to be properly donned, and worn.  Most people don’t have the discipline, especially children.  For masks to be effective at preventing the spread of disease, they need to be disposed of properly.  Not thrown on the ground.

Covid could be a biological weapon.  Do you think soldiers would go into a hot spot with nothing but cheap surgical masks? 

Think about this.  During covid I worked near a landfill.  When there was a little rain, sleet, or snow the passing trash trucks would spray a fine layer of sludge on my car.  Those trash trucks full of covid masks and whatnot.

Quote from: Smoke Machine on July 14, 2023, 03:25:14 PM

Quote from: Mikey T. on July 14, 2023, 11:59:38 AM

Quote from: Smoke Machine on July 14, 2023, 07:02:03 AM

"All it takes for BS to triumph, is for intelligent people to say nothing".

That sums you up, Jack Black. Right there in that one sentence you typed. That's your motto, your signature, and your motivation.

However, that sentence you typed, is a load of BS. Since when has BS ever triumphed, and saying lots, the way of the intelligent man?

Is hitting your head against a brick wall, intelligent? Is trying to turn water into wine, intelligent? Is trying to get Sceptimatic to concede defeat in any flat earth debate, intelligent? I would argue that an intelligent person would say nothing, and 50 pages of not saying nothing is - unintelligent.

Back to the former, the difference between BS and evil, is BS never ever triumphs in the end. BS always ends up losing. BS always has more holes than a block of Swiss cheese. But is it intelligent to pick out and identify every single hole, just to know it's a block of Swiss cheese?

Are you seriously worried flat earth is getting a firmer footprint in the world? Flat Earthers are just obsessed about the world having a rim. It reminds them of their favourite pastime - rimming.

If BS never triumphs then either you or I haven't been paying close enough attention.
But we did actually elect Trump once, so there's that.  We also went crazy over wearing a mask when it did nothing.  We had groups of people follow their political leaders in first denouncing a vaccine then preaching that it was the ultimate cure and anyone who disagrees with them is evil, no matter where on that timeline you pick. 
But hey, sure BS never prevails, human beings aren't inherently stupid, and there are no gulible people who believe someone who factually state things that are unproven.  Yep no group of morons stormed a capital building thinking an election was stolen.  No group of morons tried burning down courthouses because they were taking advantage of some very bad things that happened to a few black men.  I guess those were not based/fueled/triggered from BS that wasn't challenged enough. 
No, a belief in FE isn't likely going to incite violence, but most religions don't start out intending on inciting violence either and see where that has led thus far.

Trump was a great president or a lousy one, depending on your political views. If he was a great president, then all those lazy American fools who couldn't be bothered voting, had a solid win.

You say mask wearing did nothing, yet I experimented with wearing masks around heaps of covid 19 infected people, and I never caught it. I also experimented wearing masks around people with influenza and I never caught that. I did catch covid-19 when i wasnt wearing a mask around covid-19 infected people. So from my perspective, masks were a godsend and worked extremely well.

Likewise, I'm an advocate of the covid vaccine, and believe many millions of people were saved thanks to the vaccine. If you follow science, you would know the mrna vaccine for covid has paved the way for the cure of many other viruses that affect millions of people. So, so far, I disagree with everything you've written, no example of BS prevailing so far.

Yep, a bunch of morons did storm the capital building and enacted violence. Did their BS triumph - they were all identified and arrested, so no. Did the morons who tried burning down a few courthouses triumph? Nope - arrested.

All instances fuelled by BS where BS lost in the end.

FE is like living off the grid in your mind. Your view of the world is no longer being powered by science and authority. How can that possibly triumph? 

Denpressure is simply air pressure. You can create a vacuum chamber in your own lounge room with transparent walls, which is simply a chamber devoid of all denpressure. No air molecules in the chamber.

You can then test if objects still fall in that chamber, which they do. You can then test if they fall faster in the vacuum chamber than in normal air pressure, (I mean denpressure) which they will, thus proving air provides resistance to whatever force makes the objects fall and air doesn't make objects fall.

Every person in this thread could do this experiment, including Sceptimatic. What other experiment is needed?

Take away the denpressure/air pressure, and objects still fall. Has denpressure triumphed over gravity? Only if you're a flat earther who's mind is unplugged from the grid and wants to keep their flat earth mindset alive.

I don't know what's worse - flat earthers who love the idea of the world having a rim, reminding them of their favourite passtime, or flat earthers who love the idea of the Earth as a cell, reminding them of the homemade sex dungeon cells in the dingy basement under their house.

Read what I said again and try, to put your emotions aside for 2 seconds.
Did I make a claim about the vaccine?  no.  Did the most recent medical findings say that mask wearing had no real effect on the spread of Covid, yeah.  Did I say I wasn't one of the people dutifully wearing my mask when told to? No.  Trump was a master at the art of slinging BS and I'm pretty sure that it was a big reason he got elected. 
Just because some got arrested doesn't mean they were not negatively influenced by some BS slinging asshat and they believed it enough to go and act terribly.
Seriously, you must be delusional if you think BS always loses. 
But you won't admit anything that disagrees your feelings that Jack must be wrong right, you mainly want to troll Jack.  There was another person who was emotionally unbalanced around Jack once upon a time... oh yeah you jumped on board with him too right, almost like... an alt would.  Listen, Jack is an asshole, Jack says things that piss me off too, but IU don't go out of my way to whine and cry and continually fail to try to get him in various gotchas.  But you do you.

There were no emotions whatsoever in my last post. You said we went crazy over wearing a mask when it did nothing, and I pointed out you were wrong.

I said BS never triumphs. BS has a few hoorahs. Some people get influenced and get conned, but where does it go? BS might win a few battles but never the war.

The only person bitching and crying is you, like a whimpering child who can't find it's dummy. I lost one argument with jackblack where i admitted i was wrong, and that isn't continual failure. That's a one-off. Jackblack however can't admit when he's wrong. He has to continually be the smartest guy in the room even in a flat earth debate. If I have a rivalry with JackBlack, so what?

Address my other points in my post or slink back into your wormhole.

Quote from: Themightykabool on July 14, 2023, 07:35:51 AM

back to water and air


do you agree fluids push and crush directionally from high crush to a lower crush?

Fluids crush in all ways.
The difference in the crush is based on the molecular make-up and resistance which depends on how much crush force there is.
I'm almost sure you'll take another massive step backward as you regularly do.

I have two questions for you, Sceptimatic.

1) Is denpressure air pressure?
2) Have you experimented using a vacuum chamber to prove or disprove your denpressure theory?

I legitimately have no idea what your responses will be, so this is kinda exciting. Oh, and I am looking forward to doing that other experiment we talked about.

Quote from: Smoke Machine on July 14, 2023, 03:25:14 PM

I also experimented wearing masks around people with influenza and I never caught that.

I was around people that had covid and wore no mask.  And I didn’t catch covid. 

I never catch the flu. But usually get a cold once a year.

Back to masks.  Which are Personal protective equipment, to be effective they have to seal.  The cheap cloth and surgical masks don’t seal.  It was found that covid could hang in the air.  Cheap masks and masks made out of t-shirts were too porous.  For mask to be effective they have to be properly donned, and worn.  Most people don’t have the discipline, especially children.  For masks to be effective at preventing the spread of disease, they need to be disposed of properly.  Not thrown on the ground.

Covid could be a biological weapon.  Do you think soldiers would go into a hot spot with nothing but cheap surgical masks? 

Think about this.  During covid I worked near a landfill.  When there was a little rain, sleet, or snow the passing trash trucks would spray a fine layer of sludge on my car.  Those trash trucks full of covid masks and whatnot.

Believe me, when you have to sit beside a person for 8 hours inside a car day in and day out and in close proximity at various places, both correctly wearing masks, and one person tests positive to covid, but you don't catch it, it doesn't leave too many other options. Time and time again. Same with influenza. But hey, if it makes you feel better to consider masks ineffective BS, go right ahead.

I said BS never triumphs. BS has a few hoorahs. Some people get influenced and get conned, but where does it go? BS might win a few battles but never the war.

I would say winning a few battles, which could cause quite significant damage, to be a triumph. Maybe not a final one, but that doesn't mean it isn't a triumph.

Jackblack however can't admit when he's wrong.

Care to provide an example where I have been shown to be wrong yet didn't admit it?
I'm not going to lie and claim I am wrong just to make you feel better.

Back to masks.  Which are Personal protective equipment, to be effective they have to seal.  The cheap cloth and surgical masks don’t seal.  It was found that covid could hang in the air.  Cheap masks and masks made out of t-shirts were too porous.  For mask to be effective they have to be properly donned, and worn.  Most people don’t have the discipline, especially children.  For masks to be effective at preventing the spread of disease, they need to be disposed of properly.  Not thrown on the ground.

Effective is a spectrum, not a binary.
A cheap, poorly worn mask is better than nothing.
But a better, correctly worn mask is better.

Believe me, when you have to sit beside a person for 8 hours inside a car day in and day out and in close proximity at various places,

What type of mask in a car.

One made out of a T-shirt like was pushed?  No.

A cheap surgical mask where they cannot seal because there is no sealing surface.  No.

A dust mask with a ridge shape that might seal.  No.  Too porous.  Don’t seal at the nose.

A heap filter half face respirator maybe.

A N-95 half face respirator better.

Personal Protective Equipment doesn’t remove the hazard.  It only helps mintages risk.

Effective is a spectrum, not a binary.
A cheap, poorly worn mask is better than nothing.
But a better, correctly worn mask is better.

The scenario was set.. “Believe me, when you have to sit beside a person for 8 hours inside a car day in and day out and in”

How is a cheap mask better in this situation?  Especially if you don’t understand PPE doesn’t remove risk, and gives the wearer a false sense of security.

COVID pushes northern Indiana hospitals past capacity, as doctors warn of 'dangerous path'



https://www.southbendtribune.com/story/news/local/2021/12/13/covid-indiana-cases-surge-omicron-coronavirus-pandemic-doctors-warn-disaster-northern-indiana/6438387001/

Not all “masks” are made equal.

Masks are more effective on preventing RELEASE, catching it at the face of the infectious.
50% people didnt wear masks.
Xyz% peiole wore on their chins or wore tshirt fabric.

Without considering that, despite a mask policy, covid still spread.

Conclusion:

"Masks didnt work".




Oh gee.

Masks are more effective on preventing RELEASE, catching it at the face of the infectious.
50% people didnt wear masks.
Xyz% peiole wore on their chins or wore tshirt fabric.

Without considering that, despite a mask policy, covid still spread.

Conclusion:

"Masks didnt work".




Oh gee.

You are correct, I should have been more clear, or rather less naïve in my statement.  It wasn't that masks didn't work, it was the implementation was flawed and could never be any other way than flawed because humans are gonna human.  Therefore the policy was ineffective.