Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?

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Themightykabool

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1140 on: June 23, 2023, 03:15:05 PM »

So air pressure creating the buoyant force ("squeeze")
And gravity ("dense mass") determines the direction?

Gravity does not exist.


Cool
Doesnt exist - lets agree gravity doesnt exist.
What then is the property of displacement causes down?

A hot air balloon is dense and falls when the heated air cools.

Its the same air just energized wih crushing gobstopper sponginess

dense things can also go up.
So theres a separate priperty, a discerning property that makes things go down, sepaeate from 'dense mass'(dp-ism).


Why squeezed down, vs left-right?
« Last Edit: June 23, 2023, 03:17:03 PM by Themightykabool »

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Smoke Machine

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1141 on: June 23, 2023, 03:41:22 PM »
Gravity does not exist.
And there you go again, claiming things as fact.

If you want to claim it doesn't exist, then stop using it in your delusional nonsense.
Explain how the air, which has a lower pressure above, manages to push an object down; and explain why it should care about the mass of the object at all.

What's wrong with Sceptimatic claiming things as fact? You do it all the time, JocksrBlack. So does dribbleoverflow, Mypet P, and Theunsightlyghoul. It's Sceptimatic's prerogative.

It's not his fault, none of you have the brain power to prove him wrong, is it? He's running rings around each of you and laughing in your faces.  ;D ;D

When did any of you think up your very own alternate theory like denpressure, to explain the world? All too busy being balls deep in science text books, believing everything you read.

Lord, you give them eyes, yet still they cannot see.   :D
For the overall shape of Earth to be flat, requires billions of people and billions of pieces of information about Earth to be wrong. Do the maths.

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JackBlack

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1142 on: June 23, 2023, 04:57:38 PM »
What's wrong with Sceptimatic claiming things as fact?
Because they then go and lie by boldly proclaiming they never claim thing as fact.

It's not his fault, none of you have the brain power to prove him wrong, is it? He's running rings around each of you and laughing in your faces.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
They have been proven wrong repeatedly.

When did any of you think up your very own alternate theory like denpressure, to explain the world?
Do you mean when did we decide to discard the work of all those in the past understanding the world, to come up with delusional BS which doesn't even come close to explaining the world?

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Mikey T.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1143 on: June 24, 2023, 06:52:42 AM »

All that drivel, yet you refuse to answer any questions about denpressure. 

You don't have questions, just pent-up nastiness.
What mechanism causes the downwards force we feel and why that direction?
Not that atmosphere is stacked, why is it supposedly stacked and why in that way?  Why does the more massive objects move downwards towards the higher pressure?
Why down?
I have asked so many times I have lost count.  You have, almost exclusively, retorted with I cannot or do not want to understand.  The only different response I get is that the air is stacked and the more dense objects displace downwards.  That does not answer the question in any way.
But keep on squirming, keep insulting people for asking.  I'm not going to stop asking.  I won't blindly follow what someone tells me, especially when they insult me for asking questions.  What's that you guys always say?  Free thinking, ask questions, don't just accept what you are told.  Well does it seem like we should follow the people who get caught actually lying(misrepresenting observations to fit a narrative), refusing to answer questions, complaining that everyone is too stupid to understand, etc.
So, again, why down?

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Mikey T.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1144 on: June 24, 2023, 06:59:16 AM »
Gravity does not exist.
And there you go again, claiming things as fact.

If you want to claim it doesn't exist, then stop using it in your delusional nonsense.
Explain how the air, which has a lower pressure above, manages to push an object down; and explain why it should care about the mass of the object at all.

What's wrong with Sceptimatic claiming things as fact? You do it all the time, JocksrBlack. So does dribbleoverflow, Mypet P, and Theunsightlyghoul. It's Sceptimatic's prerogative.

It's not his fault, none of you have the brain power to prove him wrong, is it? He's running rings around each of you and laughing in your faces.  ;D ;D

When did any of you think up your very own alternate theory like denpressure, to explain the world? All too busy being balls deep in science text books, believing everything you read.

Lord, you give them eyes, yet still they cannot see.   :D
So smoke, why are you including me now? 
I get you're still hurt that Jack disagreed with you a while back.  But did you start missing the taste of Timmy's so badly that you got all super sloppy with Scepti and got it on your face more?

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Smoke Machine

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1145 on: June 24, 2023, 02:42:19 PM »
Gravity does not exist.
And there you go again, claiming things as fact.

If you want to claim it doesn't exist, then stop using it in your delusional nonsense.
Explain how the air, which has a lower pressure above, manages to push an object down; and explain why it should care about the mass of the object at all.

What's wrong with Sceptimatic claiming things as fact? You do it all the time, JocksrBlack. So does dribbleoverflow, Mypet P, and Theunsightlyghoul. It's Sceptimatic's prerogative.

It's not his fault, none of you have the brain power to prove him wrong, is it? He's running rings around each of you and laughing in your faces.  ;D ;D

When did any of you think up your very own alternate theory like denpressure, to explain the world? All too busy being balls deep in science text books, believing everything you read.

Lord, you give them eyes, yet still they cannot see.   :D
So smoke, why are you including me now? 
I get you're still hurt that Jack disagreed with you a while back.  But did you start missing the taste of Timmy's so badly that you got all super sloppy with Scepti and got it on your face more?

Why wouldn't I include all the bullies in the schoolyard? Is your butt hurt 'cause I dared to take the "mickey" out of your username? Before you scrape it off to make your victory cake, half that egg on your face isn't egg - it's Jock's and Dribble's DNA.

You just continue to do what you do best, ganging up on the lone flat earther, as hilariously, every punch just bounces off him. It's an A class comedy.
For the overall shape of Earth to be flat, requires billions of people and billions of pieces of information about Earth to be wrong. Do the maths.

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Smoke Machine

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1146 on: June 24, 2023, 03:01:57 PM »
What's wrong with Sceptimatic claiming things as fact?
Because they then go and lie by boldly proclaiming they never claim thing as fact.

It's not his fault, none of you have the brain power to prove him wrong, is it? He's running rings around each of you and laughing in your faces.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
They have been proven wrong repeatedly.

When did any of you think up your very own alternate theory like denpressure, to explain the world?
Do you mean when did we decide to discard the work of all those in the past understanding the world, to come up with delusional BS which doesn't even come close to explaining the world?

I've already teased out of Sceptimatic, his viewpoint, and it's fair enough. To him, the scientific explanation of the world is superfluous and holds no weight or meaning.

Your arguments threaten to shatter his worldview which he treasures. He is trying to show you the value and beauty of his worldview devoid of what science says, and you refuse to see it.

You won't acknowledge the psychological value of his view. You have fallen into the trap of being a scientist arguing with a Christian. Everyday for Sceptimatic, is Christmas. Look deeper with your eyes at this debate.

If you persist and succeed in your arguments, you risk causing a shattered person, here. Is that what you want? Is that the endgame for you?
For the overall shape of Earth to be flat, requires billions of people and billions of pieces of information about Earth to be wrong. Do the maths.

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NotSoSkeptical

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1147 on: June 24, 2023, 03:09:28 PM »
What's wrong with Sceptimatic claiming things as fact?
Because they then go and lie by boldly proclaiming they never claim thing as fact.

It's not his fault, none of you have the brain power to prove him wrong, is it? He's running rings around each of you and laughing in your faces.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
They have been proven wrong repeatedly.

When did any of you think up your very own alternate theory like denpressure, to explain the world?
Do you mean when did we decide to discard the work of all those in the past understanding the world, to come up with delusional BS which doesn't even come close to explaining the world?

I've already teased out of Sceptimatic, his viewpoint, and it's fair enough. To him, the scientific explanation of the world is superfluous and holds no weight or meaning.

Your arguments threaten to shatter his worldview which he treasures. He is trying to show you the value and beauty of his worldview devoid of what science says, and you refuse to see it.

You won't acknowledge the psychological value of his view. You have fallen into the trap of being a scientist arguing with a Christian. Everyday for Sceptimatic, is Christmas. Look deeper with your eyes at this debate.

If you persist and succeed in your arguments, you risk causing a shattered person, here. Is that what you want? Is that the endgame for you?

Supporting and giving credence to delusion is unhealthy.
If "deserving" time was a factor for responding on these forums, then no one would be here posting.

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JackBlack

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1148 on: June 24, 2023, 03:13:02 PM »
Why wouldn't I include all the bullies in the schoolyard?
You didn't include the bullies.
If you did, you would have included yourself.

Instead you seem to be including those that call people out on their BS.

Just look at how you are acting now. Offering absolutely nothing constructive and just insulting people.
Yet you have the nerve to call others bullies.

Your arguments threaten to shatter his worldview which he treasures. He is trying to show you the value and beauty of his worldview devoid of what science says, and you refuse to see it.
He is trying to cling to a fantasy, and acting like this fantasy is reality.
I object to that BS.

If they were presenting it as a fantasy, as an alternative idea to reality, rather than presenting it as if it is reality, I would be more open.

If you persist and succeed in your arguments, you risk causing a shattered person, here. Is that what you want? Is that the endgame for you?
If they are that fragile they should be in a psychiatric institution.

Right now, you are acting like House in this clip:

Is that what you want to be?
Encouraging delusions?

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Mikey T.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1149 on: June 25, 2023, 12:18:36 AM »
Gravity does not exist.
And there you go again, claiming things as fact.

If you want to claim it doesn't exist, then stop using it in your delusional nonsense.
Explain how the air, which has a lower pressure above, manages to push an object down; and explain why it should care about the mass of the object at all.

What's wrong with Sceptimatic claiming things as fact? You do it all the time, JocksrBlack. So does dribbleoverflow, Mypet P, and Theunsightlyghoul. It's Sceptimatic's prerogative.

It's not his fault, none of you have the brain power to prove him wrong, is it? He's running rings around each of you and laughing in your faces.  ;D ;D

When did any of you think up your very own alternate theory like denpressure, to explain the world? All too busy being balls deep in science text books, believing everything you read.

Lord, you give them eyes, yet still they cannot see.   :D
So smoke, why are you including me now? 
I get you're still hurt that Jack disagreed with you a while back.  But did you start missing the taste of Timmy's so badly that you got all super sloppy with Scepti and got it on your face more?

Why wouldn't I include all the bullies in the schoolyard? Is your butt hurt 'cause I dared to take the "mickey" out of your username? Before you scrape it off to make your victory cake, half that egg on your face isn't egg - it's Jock's and Dribble's DNA.

You just continue to do what you do best, ganging up on the lone flat earther, as hilariously, every punch just bounces off him. It's an A class comedy.
I'm not butthurt at all.  I normally skip your posts, as they don't matter.  I was just curious because it seems like you are wanting attention
For scepti, I'm not bullying him, I am pointing out his dishonesty.   But you always jump on the side of anyone Jack is arguing with, so as normal, you don't matter.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1150 on: June 25, 2023, 02:27:51 AM »

Gravity does not exist.

What’s the opposite and equal reaction for a magnet pulling a ball across a table from a stand still?





If magnets exhibit a fundamental force, why can’t there be a fundamental weak force mass attracts mass?
Nothing can attract. Everything is a compression and compression cannot work without expansion.


Magnets are merely metals that are capable of trapping the atmosphere at a low molecular level and holding that trapped atmosphere at a low molecular level offers a similar reaction to any other metal capable of this setup.


A window clamp or what's known as a suction cup is basically a kind of molecular magnet-like effect in terms of offering a change in the molecular setup that creates an unequal resistance to a more condensed force by applying an energy/force to the make-up of the clamp itself.

This allows higher pressure to crush back onto the clamp and push it hard against a surface that will not allow seepage.

You could call this your clamp magnet but obviously, it goes much deeper than this and that is just the utter basics of explanation.

However, the reasoning bears the same fruit when thought about deeply.


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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1151 on: June 25, 2023, 02:30:24 AM »
Gravity does not exist.
And there you go again, claiming things as fact.


I said I don't claim my own theories to be factual.
Gravity is utterly codswallop as far as I'm concerned and that's my own fact for myself.
What you think of it or think you can do with it is of no concern to me.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1152 on: June 25, 2023, 02:48:19 AM »

So air pressure creating the buoyant force ("squeeze")
And gravity ("dense mass") determines the direction?

Gravity does not exist.


Cool
Doesnt exist - lets agree gravity doesnt exist.
What then is the property of displacement causes down?
The dense mass of any object that displaces more atmosphere than the below resistance of layers can hold against that decompression around and above.


Quote from: Themightykabool
A hot air balloon is dense and falls when the heated air cools.

Its the same air just energized wih crushing gobstopper sponginess

The balloon is crushed up because the molecules in the balloon are changed by the heat below and creating a bigger expansion of broken-down molecules against the denser molecules within the balloon itself.
This lower pressure has to be attempted to be equalised and by doing this the broken down and more expanded and agitated molecules are pushed away or crushed away with only the balloon walls to stop it which offers a great resistance of broken down molecules which the outer atmosphere crushes against forcing the balloon up.

If the energy being applied (burner) is shut off then the molecules are slowly crushed back out of the balloon and replaced with the external atmospheric layers meaning the balloon is now being filled with denser (less broken down) molecules meaning the dense mass of the basket, people, ballast and balloon skin and ropes displace too much and now gets squeezed back down against a resistance layering that is not capable of arresting the fall.





Quote from: Themightykabool
So theres a separate property, a discerning property that makes things go down, separate from 'dense mass'(dp-ism).
The separate property is simply breaking down molecules and energy applied to do so.
Quote from: Themightykabool
Why squeezed down, vs left-right?
It comes down to layering.
Up and down are different molecular setups. Below is always naturally denser than above in each layer so any dense mass placed into them will create a displacement of all the layers it sits within.

However, the horizontal layers are generally near equal horizontally all around meaning they always basically cancel out each other when stacked and layered normally or even when an object displaces them.


Have a real good think about it and try and get it.

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JackBlack

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1153 on: June 25, 2023, 03:58:50 AM »
Nothing can attract.
If that was true, everythign would be a gas, a fairly uniform gas with random fluctuations.
There would be no solids or liquids, as they rely upon attraction holding them together.

Magnets are merely metals that are capable of trapping the atmosphere at a low molecular level and holding that trapped atmosphere at a low molecular level offers a similar reaction to any other metal capable of this setup.
We have been over magnets repeatedly, and your nonsense simply doesn't work.
You have no explanation for why with magnet like poles repel and opposite poles attract.

It cannot be explained by flow or any other nonsense like that.

You could call this your clamp magnet but obviously, it goes much deeper than this and that is just the utter basics of explanation.
However, the reasoning bears the same fruit when thought about deeply.
No, it doesn't.
If you actually thought about it deeply, you would realise it doesn't work at all.
Turning the wall around has no affect. Turning the wall and suction cup around means it doesn't stick any more.
If you pull the cup away and hold it to allow the air in, then it no longer sticks, and there is no apparent attraction.

But with magnets, if you flip one around, they repel. If you flip both around, they attract.
If you move the magnet away a bit, and allow the air in, then they still attract.
This means it doesn't match magnets at all.

I said I don't claim my own theories to be factual.
Gravity is utterly codswallop as far as I'm concerned and that's my own fact for myself.
No, you said:
I make claims from my own hypothesis. I do not offer them out as factual. I offer them as my thoughts/theories/hypotheses.
Yet here you are, making claims from your own nonsense, which you do offer as factual.

Do you feel the same way about free space?

Also, you don't get your own facts.

Either it is your opinion, or it is a fact.
So which is it?

The dense mass of any object that displaces more atmosphere than the below resistance of layers can hold against that decompression around and above.
The "decompression" around and above is pushing UP, not down.
This is because the pressure below is greater.
Why does the dense mass go down?
It sure sounds like you are appealing to some force which acts directly on the mass to make it try to go down.
Lets call this force gravity.

now gets squeezed back down against a resistance layering that is not capable of arresting the fall.
What is squeezing it back down?
If it is the air above, we know it is lower pressure than the air below, so the "resistance layering" can most certainly resist that and stop the fall.

It comes down to layering.
Which you still can't explain at all.

Below is always naturally denser than above in each layer
WHY?
What causes this?


Have a real good think about it and try and get it.
We have had a good think, and realise your nonsense doesn't work.
That is why we keep asking the same questions you refuse to answer.

Maybe you should try it some time?
Start by recognising that the mass displacing the atmosphere would result in the same direction for the force regardless of mass, with the only difference being the magnitude, if that.

You can also recognise that in order to have this stacking, you need something to maintain the pressure gradient. This would be a downwards force acting on each layer, coming from something other than the layer above.

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1154 on: June 25, 2023, 04:24:12 AM »

Magnets are merely metals that are capable of trapping the atmosphere at a low molecular level and holding that trapped atmosphere at a low molecular level offers a similar reaction to any other metal capable of this setup.


You’re so stupid.  Or just a total troll.

How can spinning magnets be used to generate electricity.

How does inducing current flow and shutting of current flow turn on and off an electromagnet.

How can you magnetize or demagnetize a magnet.

How does trapped atmosphere in your delusion make flow to move metal objects in accordance to the principles of fluid power.

A steel ball demagnetized or with a strong enough magnetic aluminum can be attracted.

Even for your delusion, you still need “something to attract”.  How can demagnetized steel or aluminum in your delusion to be attracted to a magnetic “attract and trap atmosphere” to make magnetism work? 

Why is there no change in displacement in water, bouncy,    and density of steel magnetized and demagnetized.
« Last Edit: June 25, 2023, 04:25:55 AM by DataOverFlow2022 »

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1155 on: June 25, 2023, 04:37:58 AM »

Nothing can attract.

Then how is hydrogen bonded to oxygen to form water.

And why must you add heat to melt ice, and add more heat to water to create steam?  Why does the boiling point of water make steam take up 1000 times more volume than water, and how does it do this with no space between molecules in your delusion.  How does the mass of electrons, neutrons, protons expand 1000 times greater in steam than in water?  And maintain the properties of atoms?  And do this with no void of mass between anything? 


Wait.  Why are there four forms of heat transfer? 

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Types of Heat Transfer
There are four common types of energy transfer involved in heating the atmosphere. They are Radiation, Conduction, Convection and Advection.

https://www.studyiq.com/articles/heat-transfer/amp/

Den pressure delusion is useless.  Holly cow. 

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Smoke Machine

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1156 on: June 25, 2023, 06:30:38 AM »
What's wrong with Sceptimatic claiming things as fact?
Because they then go and lie by boldly proclaiming they never claim thing as fact.

It's not his fault, none of you have the brain power to prove him wrong, is it? He's running rings around each of you and laughing in your faces.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
They have been proven wrong repeatedly.

When did any of you think up your very own alternate theory like denpressure, to explain the world?
Do you mean when did we decide to discard the work of all those in the past understanding the world, to come up with delusional BS which doesn't even come close to explaining the world?

I've already teased out of Sceptimatic, his viewpoint, and it's fair enough. To him, the scientific explanation of the world is superfluous and holds no weight or meaning.

Your arguments threaten to shatter his worldview which he treasures. He is trying to show you the value and beauty of his worldview devoid of what science says, and you refuse to see it.

You won't acknowledge the psychological value of his view. You have fallen into the trap of being a scientist arguing with a Christian. Everyday for Sceptimatic, is Christmas. Look deeper with your eyes at this debate.

If you persist and succeed in your arguments, you risk causing a shattered person, here. Is that what you want? Is that the endgame for you?

Supporting and giving credence to delusion is unhealthy.

Is it delusional? I'm sure there are some primitive tribes in the Amazon jungles that share Sceptimatic's worldview. They get through life just fine.

Maybe this viewpoint of Sceptimatic's is his natural, healthy happy place. Just like in that movie, Happy Gilmour.
For the overall shape of Earth to be flat, requires billions of people and billions of pieces of information about Earth to be wrong. Do the maths.

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Themightykabool

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1157 on: June 25, 2023, 08:24:23 AM »

So air pressure creating the buoyant force ("squeeze")
And gravity ("dense mass") determines the direction?

Gravity does not exist.


Cool
Doesnt exist - lets agree gravity doesnt exist.
What then is the property of displacement causes down?
The dense mass of any object that displaces more atmosphere than the below resistance of layers can hold against that decompression around and above.


Quote from: Themightykabool
A hot air balloon is dense and falls when the heated air cools.

Its the same air just energized wih crushing gobstopper sponginess

The balloon is crushed up because the molecules in the balloon are changed by the heat below and creating a bigger expansion of broken-down molecules against the denser molecules within the balloon itself.
This lower pressure has to be attempted to be equalised and by doing this the broken down and more expanded and agitated molecules are pushed away or crushed away with only the balloon walls to stop it which offers a great resistance of broken down molecules which the outer atmosphere crushes against forcing the balloon up.

If the energy being applied (burner) is shut off then the molecules are slowly crushed back out of the balloon and replaced with the external atmospheric layers meaning the balloon is now being filled with denser (less broken down) molecules meaning the dense mass of the basket, people, ballast and balloon skin and ropes displace too much and now gets squeezed back down against a resistance layering that is not capable of arresting the fall.





Quote from: Themightykabool
So theres a separate property, a discerning property that makes things go down, separate from 'dense mass'(dp-ism).
The separate property is simply breaking down molecules and energy applied to do so.
Quote from: Themightykabool
Why squeezed down, vs left-right?
It comes down to layering.
Up and down are different molecular setups. Below is always naturally denser than above in each layer so any dense mass placed into them will create a displacement of all the layers it sits within.

However, the horizontal layers are generally near equal horizontally all around meaning they always basically cancel out each other when stacked and layered normally or even when an object displaces them.


Have a real good think about it and try and get it.


Amazing!

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Mikey T.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1158 on: June 25, 2023, 08:52:16 AM »
Gravity does not exist.
And there you go again, claiming things as fact.


I said I don't claim my own theories to be factual.
Gravity is utterly codswallop as far as I'm concerned and that's my own fact for myself.
What you think of it or think you can do with it is of no concern to me.
Do you not understand what saying things factually means?
You say things like nothing can attract, not you think nothing can attract, or nothing attracts in denpressure.  No you state everything matter of factly. 
If it's just you stating an opinion, say it that way and not how you have been. 
Example:
Scepti is a liar.
Vs
I think Scepti is a liar.
Both can be supported by reasoning, however the first one is a statement of fact and may be taken as such.  One is my opinion, the other is truthful if I am not lying.  I can be wrong unintentionally with an opinion, but not with a statement of fact, then it's just a lie.
We do not observe any of what you claim as factual.  You do not properly explain.  The only explanation becomes that you are lying.
It's not picking on you.  It's not that any of us are stupid, including you.  You are actually quite clever.  You are just willfully dishonest. 

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JackBlack

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1159 on: June 25, 2023, 02:46:50 PM »
Is it delusional? I'm sure there are some primitive tribes in the Amazon jungles that share Sceptimatic's worldview. They get through life just fine.
Yes, it is. As explained repeatedly.
I highly doubt any tribe in the Amazon thinks his kind of BS.
They are more likely to believe Turbos, of things just go back to their natural state.

But the big difference there is ignorance.
The Amazon tribes don't have all the experimental observations and others explaining things/pointing out issues.
Scepti does.
They have had plenty of issues pointed out, which they simply ignore or lie about.

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1160 on: June 25, 2023, 08:40:37 PM »

I said I don't claim my own theories to be factual.
Gravity is utterly codswallop as far as I'm concerned and that's my own fact for myself.
What you think of it or think you can do with it is of no concern to me.


Ok. 

Then.  Again..

How is your atmosphere jello taking up all space with expanding mass that is the prime mover of down to foundation from low pressure to high pressure able to also “crush” up.

Gravity acting on the mass of each individually fixed sized molecule or element like argon and able to have small voids of mass is more accurate in its modeling.


Ahh right, so you think there is no atmosphere between the billiard balls and you call that free space.
No wonder you're confused.

In the sense it shows mass with momentum can collide with another item of mass to cause resistance. 


Why does there have to mass between the moving bodies.

Now.  If your jello atmosphere taking up every bit of space is the prime mover of a falling feather.  Why does the feather fall faster as your prime mover is reduced more and more as more and more atmosphere is reduced in a chamber.


In den pressure delusion, the feather should fall slower as atmospheric pressure is reduced below atmosphere.

Let’s see..


More to the point is, how could anything work if there is free space?
You absolutely need resistance to offer a force to cause resistance to that force.

If you have free space you can never offer any resistance or any foundation to push off of to actually create a force.



Why does a bullet have to have resistance once out of the rifle barrel. 

Anyway…
 
Back to a feather in a chamber with the atmosphere increasingly reduced below atmospheric pressure where the feather will fall faster and faster.  Enough atmosphere can be removed where a coin, bowling ball, and feather will drop at the same rate.

But you state, “More to the point is, how could anything work if there is free space?
You absolutely need resistance to offer a force to cause resistance to that force.”

So.  Again.  Den pressure contradicts itself. The feather should fall slower as resistance, pressure, and the DPD ability to act as a prime mover through atmospheric pressure are reduced below atmospheric pressure in a chamber.  This is in direct contradiction that in reality the feather falls faster and faster as pressure and resistance to transmit pressure to foundation in den pressure delusion is increasingly evacuated. 

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1161 on: June 25, 2023, 09:14:40 PM »
Nothing can attract.
If that was true, everythign would be a gas, a fairly uniform gas with random fluctuations.
There would be no solids or liquids, as they rely upon attraction holding them together.

Is anything truly solid?
Do you agree that everything right down to the smallest molecular level, even if you prefer to use sub-atomic, vibrates?
If so, would that not vision it as a liquid and even so far down as a gas but never seen by us mere humans to be the actual case because we simply can't get to that level and have to rely on theories.

You go with yours and I go with mine.

However, as I said, the attraction would be classed as a pull in your book and this can never happen.
Anything we see whether it's viewed as a solid or liquid/fluid or a gas is all a compression force and all split layering or peeled layering of molecular densities.

It's impossible for attraction to hold anything together because it implies something pulls and that cannot happen under denpressure.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1162 on: June 25, 2023, 09:30:31 PM »

Magnets are merely metals that are capable of trapping the atmosphere at a low molecular level and holding that trapped atmosphere at a low molecular level offers a similar reaction to any other metal capable of this setup.


You’re so stupid.  Or just a total troll.
Take your pick or have a starter and a sweet.


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How can spinning magnets be used to generate electricity.
How do they spin in the first place?


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How does inducing current flow and shutting of current flow turn on and off an electromagnet.
First understand why current flows and why.

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How can you magnetize or demagnetize a magnet.
By trapping broken-down molecules and creating ultra-low pressures within.


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How does trapped atmosphere in your delusion make flow to move metal objects in accordance to the principles of fluid power.
When do you see flow?

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A steel ball demagnetized or with a strong enough magnetic aluminum can be attracted.
Nothing can be attracted. It implies a pull and a pull cannot exist. There can only be compressive force by expansion.

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Even for your delusion, you still need “something to attract”.
Nope. Nothing can attract because nothing can pull when understood at the molecular level.

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 How can demagnetized steel or aluminum in your delusion to be attracted to a magnetic “attract and trap atmosphere” to make magnetism work? 
How can a window clamp stay by force to a window and have strength based on the makeup of the clamp and the energy required to create the pressure differential?
Understand this at a lower molecular level where more dense objects come into play and you may get an inkling.

To get to the nitty gritty you have to go to the utter basics of simplicity but to do that you have to discard the complicated storylines.

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Why is there no change in displacement in water, bouncy,    and density of steel magnetized and demagnetized.
Not sure what you're getting at with this one.
Can you elaborate?
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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1163 on: June 25, 2023, 09:47:12 PM »

Nothing can attract.

Then how is hydrogen bonded to oxygen to form water.
By layering and peeling of layering. Just like everything else we see and use and what we perceive as solids liquids/fluids and gases.


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And why must you add heat to melt ice, and add more heat to water to create steam?
You don't add heat you simply offer up more vibration/friction and frequencies to breakdown molecules by layer peeling.

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  Why does the boiling point of water make steam take up 1000 times more volume than water, and how does it do this with no space between molecules in your delusion.
By layer peeling by expansion by vibration and frequencies offering an energy compression of the atmosphere by that expansion and a decompression of it to crush up that expansion of molecular layer peeling.

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  How does the mass of electrons, neutrons, protons expand 1000 times greater in steam than in water?  And maintain the properties of atoms?  And do this with no void of mass between anything? 
As above. A similar question.


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Wait.  Why are there four forms of heat transfer? 

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Types of Heat Transfer
There are four common types of energy transfer involved in heating the atmosphere. They are Radiation, Conduction, Convection and Advection.

https://www.studyiq.com/articles/heat-transfer/amp/
There is only ever one form of heat transfer and it's simply the agitation of molecules.
The vibrational frequencies vary massively but the end result is still heat transfer and everything that can vibrate has to be friction and frequency meaning everything is heat but the varying differences in a humans ability to perceive do not allow us to visualise it down to the bare bones which is why we go along with the 4 heat transfers and why we view cold or freezing as opposites.


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Den pressure delusion is useless.  Holly cow.
To you anything outside of the story books of the mainstream is useless and you're welcome to think that. But here you are trying to make sense of what you claim to be useless.
Why not just go onto something you can agree with?
Talk among your own global internet mates. Sit and agree on everything and make yourself feel better. Or are you happy to keep calling troll and whatnot to get backslaps from your internet mates?
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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1164 on: June 25, 2023, 10:38:08 PM »
Gravity does not exist.
And there you go again, claiming things as fact.


I said I don't claim my own theories to be factual.
Gravity is utterly codswallop as far as I'm concerned and that's my own fact for myself.
What you think of it or think you can do with it is of no concern to me.
Do you not understand what saying things factually means?
Yes I do but do you not understand that one person's perceived fact is another person's theory?


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You say things like nothing can attract, not you think nothing can attract, or nothing attracts in denpressure.  No you state everything matter of factly. 

I spent a lot of time saying "in my opinion"... and " I believe"... and " I think"... and "under denpressure" and a whole host of other ways to add on to explain.

I never offer my theories as factual but I choose to stand by my theories and explain them and I'm not going to spend every reply by continually offering "I think" and everything else all of the time.

You and others have been here long enough to know my thoughts so if you want to argue that I'm offering them as factual then you carry on.

I offer them as My belief's against what you and others argue as factual of which none of you actually know if you are arguing for a fact but mass opinion offers you a shoulder to claim as your facts.
So here's where an argument becomes pointless.



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If it's just you stating an opinion, say it that way and not how you have been. 
Done so, so many times.
It comes down to who wants to claim I don't and who wants to try and use this stuff as their argument as if it offers them some traction.


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Example:
Scepti is a liar.
If someone knows I'm lying then they have a point. But to know means proof has to be offered by the physical person, not proof on the back of appeals to some kind of authority or mass opinion simply offering opinion en masse, as fact.


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Vs
I think Scepti is a liar.
If someone thinks I'm a liar then they have that mindset based on what they think the alternative to what I say, is.


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Both can be supported by reasoning, however the first one is a statement of fact and may be taken as such.
Not necessarily.
It can be a statement of one person's belief of a fact but not necessarily a fact.



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  One is my opinion, the other is truthful if I am not lying.
Your opinion does not mean you are dishonest but it can mean you offer no factual backup apart from what you believe by mainstream learning to be factual and it spills into the latter of something being truthful if you are not lying. You have to know you're not lying, which means you have to be in possession of facts, not just an honest assumption.


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  I can be wrong unintentionally with an opinion, but not with a statement of fact, then it's just a lie.
Correct you can be wrong with an opinion but life is mostly about opinions based on the stories we perceive as factual as well as fictional.
As long as you can offer a fact and back it up then you are well within your rights to call someone out who has an alternate opinion or a belief they hold another fact because we know only one fact can be the correct one. But you have to understand if the truth of something is actually the real truth or if is it a truth based on mass adherence to what was schooled as a truth and carried forward with little resistance to that perceived truth.


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We do not observe any of what you claim as factual.
You don't observe a lot of what you're told as being factual but you accept it mostly without hesitation as long as it becomes a mass opinion or a supposed scientific theory offered as fact.
If I'm offering alternatives to your belief system I would not expect you to think anything other than I'm wrong or call me a liar or try ridicule or whatever.
It's a natural human reaction to mass adherence to something.

I would expect a snarling vociferous reaction if I walked into a church carrying a book I'd written on my god which differs from the one the congregation uses.
If I say I wrote it because my god channeled it and my faith in my god is unwavering, I become a lone nut and a potential cult starter who must be taken down by whatever means by the very same type of people who, en masse spend time praying to their god who has been offered on a plate by what is deemed as authority of that matter. The very cult en masse that scuppers the lesser god of a person deemed the nut case.


Yeah, I'm going on but, why not.


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You do not properly explain.
Of course I don't. If people are not willing to try to understand then my explanations will never amount to much of anyone like that.
I'm fine with that because it shows who simply puts up the shields and who is just ready to deflect anything alternate to the life behind that shield.


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  The only explanation becomes that you are lying.
And you're welcome to think that every second of every day for life if that's how you want to flow.
But just remember one thing. You're on a forum that offers alternates and if your goal is to simply come into call people liars and try and ridicule in favour of something you were schooled into then who's the one losing out?

Remember you are arguing (singing) from the hymn book and what you recite is your comfort without the real need to think.
That's boring to me.
Thinking stimulates the brain and alternates to a bullied theory will always come into question, obviously.


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It's not picking on you.
It actually is but I'm fine with it. I don't expect much else to be brutally honest, assuming I am being honest.


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It's not that any of us are stupid, including you.
I never offer any argument as someone being stupid. That is generally offered to me by many and I wouldn't expect anything less.


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  You are actually quite clever.  You are just willfully dishonest.
You are seeing words on a screen and you do not know if I'm clever or a nut case or how truthful or dishonest I am. But your opinion can be of that.
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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1165 on: June 25, 2023, 11:35:39 PM »

I said I don't claim my own theories to be factual.
Gravity is utterly codswallop as far as I'm concerned and that's my own fact for myself.
What you think of it or think you can do with it is of no concern to me.


Ok. 

Then.  Again..

How is your atmosphere jello taking up all space with expanding mass that is the prime mover of down to foundation from low pressure to high pressure able to also “crush” up.
Because for mass to expand it has to be broken down.
The gobstopper analogy is not even looked at because it's deemed pointless and yet it gives a good analogy of molecular mass and the layering of molecules within molecules that are so compressed by can all be peeled depending on applied energy/pressures/vibrations/frequencies and a stacking system.


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Gravity acting on the mass of each individually fixed sized molecule or element like argon and able to have small voids of mass is more accurate in its modeling.
You're offering something that you absolutely cannot explain as anything.
You offer a word and mention mass attracting mass.
What in the hell does it even mean?

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Ahh right, so you think there is no atmosphere between the billiard balls and you call that free space.
No wonder you're confused.

In the sense it shows mass with momentum can collide with another item of mass to cause resistance. 
All mass can collide and more dense mass can displace less dense mass from molecular to visual clumping of molecules to create a denser mass.


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Why does there have to mass between the moving bodies.
Everything is mass. Mass is everything whether it's at the lowest end of a makeup or the highest end of the density of those masses.
Everything must vibrate and all vibrations have to have a frequency and you cannot have any of that if you have free space between molecules.

If in fiction you could have free space and then throw in a handful of molecules, somehow, they would instantly go into suspended animation and this is the ultra-fictional sense of the wording because it's like time travel.....the concept is there but the reality of it is impossible.

The whole purpose of vibration and frequencies is based entirely on molecules always trying to decompress against masses and masses of molecules in so many stacks with so many molecules being so densely layered to less densely layered and so many breakdowns and peelings based on vibration and frequencies causing a compression above by expansion below as energy is applied.

It'll likely go way over your head because you refuse to allow yourself to even think anything outside of your box.

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Now.  If your jello atmosphere taking up every bit of space is the prime mover of a falling feather.  Why does the feather fall faster as your prime mover is reduced more and more as more and more atmosphere is reduced in a chamber.

Why does a boat float on water but will sink of that water is agitated by forcing dense water molecules away by the expansion of a gas placed into it.
Yous ee you're essentially creating a similar environment to the feather in a chamber. You're offering a breakdown of that mass in that particular area by displacing the denser liquid for a much less dense gas that is a much more broken down version of that liquid yet offered as a force in ab abundance to displace that denser liquid and allows the dense mass of the boat to overcome the lesser resistance aided by the denser atmosphere the boat itself is displacing.
The end result is a faster squeeze down due to much less resistance to the above mass.


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In denpressure , the feather should fall slower as atmospheric pressure is reduced below atmosphere.
The opposite.
If you offer a path of lesser resistance to a denser mass you will allow that denser mass to be squeezed down through that lesser resistance, meaning a faster rate of squeeze down.


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Let’s see..


More to the point is, how could anything work if there is free space?
You absolutely need resistance to offer a force to cause resistance to that force.

If you have free space you can never offer any resistance or any foundation to push off of to actually create a force.



Why does a bullet have to have resistance once out of the rifle barrel.
To have a bullet work there is a lot of resistance involved.

1.You have a body using the ground as a resistance, whether by feet or by body to ground itself. All of which is under atmospheric pressure by the entire body displacement of it, plus rifle and ammo..etc...etc.

2. You have to have resistance to the mass of the gun. In this instance, we will use a person and shoulder as the barrier to the butt.

3. A discharge of cordite inside the casing to offer a barrier at the back of the shell casing and the gun itself and the bullet placed into the casing which has much less resistance to the reaction of expansion of the cordite.

4. The atmospheric pressure in the barrel acts as another resistance to the bullet and has to be pushed out of that barrel under that massive expansion and breakdown of the denser cordite molecules.

All of that causes a reaction or a kickback/recoil against the resistance of the shoulder and body against ground foundation in this instance.


Once the bullet is pushed out of the barrel it is atmospherically gripped as it pushes through the less dense atmospheric molecules, displacing them.

For a bullet to continue to advance it has to displace and have a reaction to that displacement which allows it to propel through the layering of atmosphere and the amount of stacked layering it actually negotiates, which on a horizontal kind of aim if would be a small arc.

For the bullet to move forward it has to displace any atmosphere in front of it and also skim the layering all around it which immediately compresses back to push the bullet is a natural action and equal and opposite reaction to that action.

If the bullet had to negotiate just one way through a resistance horizontally or even vertically or arced, without an equal reaction to that energy push the bullet initially displaced of that atmosphere tehre would be no reactioary kick back against the bullet.

To give you a better insight into this let's use a long tube and imagine the bullet is fired into that long tube.
You know the bullet has to displace all the atmosphere in that tube and the pressure pushes into that tube from external.
You also know that your bullet in motion will always have a pressure right behind it filling the low pressure created by the high-pressure energy push of it.
So basically you can understand that in order for your bullet to continue moving it has to have an equal reaction to its forward action by having a reactionary kick up its own arse to aid its trajectory and this does not stop at the barrel end because the atmosphere then acts as the barrel as in trying to clamp the bullet and fill the low pressure behind it as the bullet skims the above and below resistance coupled with that reactionary kick in the bullets arse consistently.

No free space can ever be offered, only expansion and compression of molecules by displacement of the dense mass (bullet) and applied energy to it.


And don't fret, I'm under absolutely no illusions about this going right over your head and likely not even looked at for more than a minute only for you to say I offered nothing.

I do get a smile.
 
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Anyway…
 
Back to a feather in a chamber with the atmosphere increasingly reduced below atmospheric pressure where the feather will fall faster and faster.  Enough atmosphere can be removed where a coin, bowling ball, and feather will drop at the same rate.
They will never drop at the same rate no matter what you do.
They just appear to be because of a lot of shenanigans in some cases and because of a drop from a small height for denser objects just to offer a good old dupe for people.






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But you state, “More to the point is, how could anything work if there is free space?
You absolutely need resistance to offer a force to cause resistance to that force.”

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So.  Again.  Den pressure contradicts itself.
Not at all. You not having a clue about it means you have nothing to add other than what you dow ith this gunk.


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The feather should fall slower as resistance, pressure, and the DP ability to act as a prime mover through atmospheric pressure are reduced below atmospheric pressure in a chamber.
If a resistance becomes less to a dense mass then the dense mass is going to overcome it much easier.

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This is in direct contradiction that in reality the feather falls faster and faster as pressure and resistance to transmit pressure to foundation in den pressure delusion is increasingly evacuated.
There's no contradiction.
The only issue we have here is your failure to understand it or your inability to want to.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1166 on: June 26, 2023, 01:43:53 AM »

How do they spin in the first place?


Man you’re stupid.

A wire with ac current flowing through it can induce current in a nearby wire or metal object.  Why does that work in den pressure delusion.


First understand why current flows and why.

What I don’t understand, and you will not explain is how current flow is produced in your den pressure delusion. 




By trapping broken-down molecules and creating ultra-low pressures within.

Explains in no way real world electrical potential. 

If there is no attraction in den pressure delusion what is trapping broken down molecules, why, and how.

Example of a equilibrium formula

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H2 + N2 ⇌ 2NH3
https://unacademy.com/content/jee/study-material/chemistry/examples-of-chemical-equilibrium/

What is the chemical formula for the den pressure delusion electrical  “trapping broken-down molecules”?

What are they broken down from and to?  There are no molecules broken down in a spinning generator. The materials under high stress from the rapid turning of the generator would not hold their structural integrity if they are being broken down in den pressure delusion. 

There is no atmospheric pressure change in a wire with ac current inducing current in nearby metals. Nothing is being broken down from one molecule to another.

The wires and core of an electromagnet are the same materials and “molecules” with or with out voltage applied.  With no changes in atmospheric pressure.


When do you see flow?

When do you see electric current flow with a change of atmospheric pressure without a difference in electrical potential.  Why is the output of a 1.5 volt AA battery the same at or below atmospheric pressure. 

There is no atmospheric pressure change driving an electromagnet with the turning on and off an electromagnet, and the strength of the electromagnet doesn’t care about the pressure of the atmosphere.


Nothing can be attracted.

Then how is hydrogen bonded with oxygen to form water.  Why does it take less energy to melt water ice with hydrogen bonds than sodium chloride with its ion bonds.

Why does the atmosphere with no force and no directionality in your delusion causes gas molecules to over come their tendency to disperse and bunch up at sea level?  While atmosphere is only “thick” enough to supports human life about 30 or 40 miles up, but goes on thousands and thousands of miles along the surface.  Where in your delusion of a domed earth with no gravity and directionality the atmosphere should reach near uniform density through the tendency of gas to disperse to the dome.  Not bunch up at sea level. 

Why is the dome and up not foundation? 
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« Reply #1167 on: June 26, 2023, 01:59:46 AM »

Because for mass to expand it has to be broken down.


What is being broken down?  The atmosphere is a mixture of O2, N2, CO2, and Argon with other trace gases.


When I release air at 3000 psi from a scuba tank through a regulator to one atmosphere for breathing the percentages of O2, N2, CO2, argon, and trace gases doesn’t change.

For welding and a bottle of Argon at 3000 pounds regulated down to about one pound of pressure and rehearsed to shield the weld stays argon.  The gas isn’t broken down to anything.


What do you mean by broken down.  And you claim there is no attraction in your delusion.  So if there is no “attraction” what is there to be broken to be broken down.  An “attraction” like a hydrogen bond in water or double covalent bond for the formation of diatomic oxygen (O2) must be made before they can be separated. 
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« Reply #1168 on: June 26, 2023, 02:35:31 AM »

Everything is mass. Mass is everything whether it's at the lowest end of a makeup or the highest end of the density of those masses.


That means mass must have an infinite presence to be everywhere at once.  Which makes no sense.

And still doesn’t explain why a feather falls faster and faster as atmosphere is increasingly reduced bellow atmospheric pressure.

Again….  In den pressure delusion where “Everything is mass” the mass of the feather and the mass of the atmosphere must occupy the same space at the same instance for the feather to fall…



If all space is occupied by mass at all times?  How would gases mix to achieve the correct ratio to burn?



In den pressure delusion if mass occupies all space all the time, why doesn’t everything act like a solid table top? 

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #1169 on: June 26, 2023, 04:14:57 AM »
Is anything truly solid?
Unless you plan on going down the philosophical rabbit hole of if atoms with most of the mass in a tiny point is truly solid; or if a solid with a high rate of creep is really a solid, then yes, you can have solids.

Solids do not need to be perfectly rigid.

Do you agree that everything right down to the smallest molecular level, even if you prefer to use sub-atomic, vibrates?
If so, would that not vision it as a liquid and even so far down as a gas
No.
Vibration isn't enough.
The big difference is changing neighbours.
Solids keep their neighbours unless you apply a large force at which point dislocations move through it as it deforms.
Conversely, liquids, with no applied force, will change their neighbours. This is because they have enough energy to overcome some of the bonds holding it together. But not enough to completely break free.

And the big difference between liquids and gases is that liquids are held together via attractive forces, while gases have enough energy to completely break free of their bonds, separating from their neighbours.

Considering how much you love analogies, consider this:
You have a large hall, and in that hall you have a large collection of people. Each person is attached to the 6 surrounding people by ropes (i.e. attractive, pulling forces; in reality it should be springs as it is a combination of attractive and repulsive forces which keeps drives them towards a particular distance), which hold them in place.
For the solid, they cannot break these ropes or undo them or anything like that.
That means they keep the same neighbours.
This means you can have it distort slightly, but it is not free to flow.
If you have a wall dividing the hall, with a simple door through it, which only 3 people wide fit through, but your collection of people is 30 wide, there is no way for them to go through.

Now to switch it to a liquid, in this state, they can have up to 2 ropes disconnected. Now when they approach the door, the ones that can go through can unlink some ropes, those around them can then unlink some of their ropes and relink on the other side.
This partial breakage and reformation of bonds allows the liquid to flow and change shape. But it still holds together. They can't entirely separate.

Now to switch to a gas, they remove all their ropes, breaking free of these attractive, pulling forces. Now, they are free to move around as they please and can fill the room. They easily pass through the door as individuals.

However, as I said, the attraction would be classed as a pull in your book and this can never happen.
The point is this DEMANDS a pull happens.
You CANNOT explain it without it.
It demonstrates your claims are garbage.

You need an attractive/pulling force to hold solids and liquids together.

It's impossible for attraction to hold anything together because it implies something pulls and that cannot happen under denpressure.
This is not a question of what is true in your fantasy. This is a case of what is true FOR REALITY!
Reality demands pulling/attractive forces.
This means if denspressure doesn't allow them, denpressure is wrong and has no chance of ever being correct.

Reality works with pulling forces.
Pulling forces explains the observed states of matter so easily.
Your nonsense can't explain it at all.
You even refer to bonds, which would need to be attractive, pulling forces, in order to explain what is observed.

Repeatedly asserting that there cannot be a pull, to try to dismiss an argument that clearly shows there CAN and MUST be a pull, does not help you at all.
If you really, desperately need to claim there cannot be a pull, then you need to explain why (i.e. what magic is preventing it), and how all these things work without a pull.

Yes I do but do you not understand that one person's perceived fact is another person's theory?
Quite the opposite.
You don't understand that you don't get your own facts.

It comes down to who wants to claim I don't and who wants to try and use this stuff as their argument as if it offers them some traction.
I say quite the opposite.
It appears more to come down to you saying all sorts of delusional BS, providing it as statements of fact, and when backed into a corner, deciding to just claim you were never presenting it as a fact.

To have a bullet work there is a lot of resistance involved.
And the vast majority of it can be ignored.
Take away everything else so you just have a bullet in a gun which has just had the explosive go off.
There is now very hot gas which wants to expand. What happens?

For a bullet to continue to advance it has to displace and have a reaction to that displacement
No, it doesn't.
For a bullet to continue to advance, it needs to simply not have anything stop it.

To give you a better insight into this let's use a long tube and imagine the bullet is fired into that long tube.
At which point we observe the air slowing the bullet down.
The action is the bullet moving through the air compressing it.
The reaction is the air SLOWING the bullet down.

And don't fret, I'm under absolutely no illusions about this going right over your head and likely not even looked at for more than a minute only for you to say I offered nothing.
You mean us recognising it for the BS it is?
That is not it going over our head.

There's no contradiction.
There is a massive one.
The effect of air has meant to be massively reduced, so it results in the feather, which you claim is being accelerated by the air, accelerating faster.
Either there should be no change at all, or it should fall more slowly.

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