Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #540 on: May 20, 2023, 07:26:12 AM »

Anyone can gain experience but not anyone can understand


Then.  Real life experience. Using your meaningless delusion.  Say you have product X.  With your delusion units of mass - volume.  With your delusional density of 5 kilograms - liters.

And you have 50 kilograms of your product x with your delusional density of 5 kilograms - liters, will the 50 kilograms fit in a 10 gallon tank?

Your delusion is worthless at solving the most basic problems.

What good is your worthless delusion to a facility that has to load chemicals for shipping.  Working to ship safely with the lease about of environmental impact. 

You’re still a hack that can only preach a lie on a delusion if used in industry would get people killed and harm the environment.





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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #541 on: May 20, 2023, 08:09:47 AM »
What is forever?
A common English word.
Yes. And what does forever actually mean?



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It is really quite simple, is there a base or is it a never ending circle?
How long is a piece of string?

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Then why are you wasting your time?
Because unlike you, I care about the truth, and so I will object to your delusional BS.
You care about what you think is the truth. I wouldn't wholeheartedly disagree with that. You may just be someone who simply accepts anything as long as it's officially put out and guard it as if you do not want to question it, which is fair enough.
But the reality is, you have no clue if a lot of what you stand by is being told as factual.

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If you stopped spouting your BS and stopped pretending it was true I would have no need to continue explaining why it is garbage.
I don't pretend any of what I say is true. I say I believe it to be closer to truth than the global setup of offerings.

So now you have no more need to continue.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #542 on: May 20, 2023, 08:11:37 AM »

Anyone can gain experience but not anyone can understand


Then.  Real life experience. Using your meaningless delusion.  Say you have product X.  With your delusion units of mass - volume.  With your delusional density of 5 kilograms - liters.

And you have 50 kilograms of your product x with your delusional density of 5 kilograms - liters, will the 50 kilograms fit in a 10 gallon tank?

Your delusion is worthless at solving the most basic problems.

What good is your worthless delusion to a facility that has to load chemicals for shipping.  Working to ship safely with the lease about of environmental impact. 

You’re still a hack that can only preach a lie on a delusion if used in industry would get people killed and harm the environment.
How about you explain what's happening from your side and then take a few minutes to see why I tell you what I'm telling you?
But you won't.
Why?
Because you will just copy and paste something you know you cannot explain logically and simply.

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #543 on: May 20, 2023, 08:25:34 AM »
Already did…



Not in denpressure it's not.

Density is mass / volume.

That is the definition.

What is you formula in your delusion for density.

Density equals mass minus volume.


Good gosh.


You just killed den pressure.

In my reality density is equal to mass divided by volume.

****note added.  It’s a ratio and it makes sense.****

Density = 1 g/ml (grams / milliliters)

Flow is = volume / time

Say product x has a density of 1 g/ml and flows at 1 ml/s. Flows one milliliter a second.

You want to know how long to flow to get 100 grams of product.


                           ml      s
Time = 100 g  x —— x ——
                           1g     1 ml

The units work.  The math makes sense.

It takes 100 seconds to load 100 grams of product x if it’s density is 1g/ml and it flows at 1 ml/s

Now you?

Density equals mass minus volume.

(How do you take mass and remove only volume?  In reality to remove volume from an object with mass, mass has to be removed.)

Density equals grams -  milliliters.

Now.  Using den pressure. 

Say product x has a density of 1 g minus ml.  ( what does 1gram - milliliter even mean?) And flows at 1 ml/s. Flows one milliliter a second.

You want to know how long to flow to get 100 grams of product.  Solve using den pressure for time the process has to flow to load 100 grams of product.



Then.  Real life experience. Using your meaningless delusion.  Say you have product X.  With your delusion units of mass - volume.  With your delusional density of 5 kilograms - liters.

And you have 50 kilograms of your product x with your delusional density of 5 kilograms - liters, will the 50 kilograms fit in a 10 gallon tank?

Your delusion is worthless at solving the most basic problems.

What good is your worthless delusion to a facility that has to load chemicals for shipping.  Working to ship safely with the lease about of environmental impact. 

You’re still a hack that can only preach a lie on a delusion if used in industry would get people killed and harm the environment.

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #544 on: May 20, 2023, 08:29:57 AM »
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How about you explain .

What’s it like sceptimatic that you can’t find one thing concerning den pressure to accurately solve a real life situation like loading railcars.

You sceptimatic are down to repeating the same lies and hypocrisy to, what three four people as the world moves on. 
 

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #545 on: May 20, 2023, 08:36:36 AM »
By the way sceptimatic, you haven’t provided any real world experiences and haven’t proven there is something faked or wrong with these documented experiments.

Because you’re a hypocrite.







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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #546 on: May 20, 2023, 08:44:36 AM »
Can you focus your energy on getting sceppy to define what molecular layers means?

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #547 on: May 20, 2023, 09:05:36 AM »
Can you focus your energy on getting sceppy to define what molecular layers means?

Whatever the individual needs it to be at this instance with total disregard if it contradicts their past posts, contradicts demonstrable reality, and has no provable applicability to any real life situation or math. 

Note. Added.  And if you cite, quote, and point these things out.  You get the classic you just don’t understand den pressure.


I hope I wisen up and take the best advice I heard concerning trolls like  sceptimatic.  The only way you can affect them is starve them of the attention they desire. But it’s facilitating to watch them deny all reality, weave their web of hypocrisy, and repeatedly kill their credibility with those that offered genuine open and honest debate. 

I don’t know if it’s sceptimatic‘s delusions that are fascinating?  Or the contrast of their willfully dishonest arguments to maintain a delusion against those who try to be honest as humanly possible with real world application.
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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #548 on: May 20, 2023, 03:27:53 PM »
I can see plenty of evidence in this thread for Den pressure. Plenty of evidence for Den Pressure being the stubborn mindset of a person who has no desire to budge from that mindset. Sceptimatic is just laughing at you guys.

He doesn't have to bow down to or acknowledge anything you all say.

Sceptimatic has been hard at this for ten years, and you all think you'll get him to say he's defeated? Not in a million years.

Sceptimatic will have the last laugh because this argument has never ever been about evidence. It's been about a mindset that works for someone that doesn't work for you guys. To hound someone for a difference of opinion or different mindset is discrimination.

This is victory?


You seem to want to play with numbers and think it's going to help you understand.
You need a mindset to play basic to understand and you simply do not possess it.

Using a delusion that is incapable of modeling standard loading calculations used thousands of times a day to ship actual products sceptimatic even uses. It’s like a FE’er posting there is no space while on their satellite internet with Dish network on in the background turned to the weather channel showing satellite weather maps when their satellite phone starts to ring.

It's not a victory, it's a stalemate.

You have to appreciate that Sceptimatic turned his back on the globe model of Earth, a long long time ago. By embracing the flat earth model, he has had to construct explanations for the world around him, from scratch. He is a pioneer of sorts in the flat earth idea. Den Pressure is one of his constructions.

He isn't relying upon a physics textbook or any other science. He is being creative.

Basically, he is presenting his den pressure model for any fledging flat earther to consider and add to their own flat earth model, if they wish. It isn't really for staunch globe earthers.

Sceptimatic is insightful enough to understand that a person's entire life experience and world, is filtered. It is colored by beliefs that person holds. Maybe it was a personal duscovery he made one day that he flipped his entire globe earth perspective to flat earth, while all those around him were none the wiser and continued life believing the earth to be a globe. Maybe it gave him a buzz, made him feel special or different, and he enjoys the feeling.

Flat Earth is obviously an important belief to him, and he doesn't accept he lives on a globe earth.

If any of us set a day aside and tried the mental gymnastic feat, Sceptimatic did, we would glean an insight into Sceptimatic and see him in a whole new light. I imagine it was difficult at first, but became easier for him over time.

Throwing science at a flat earther like Sceptimatic, is like trying to force a square peg into a round hole. It gets you nowhere fast.

But if you guys just want to continue doing what you're doing, what you've always done, running round and round the mulberry bush, go right ahead. I look forward to logging in here in 15 years time, and seeing the same, fruitless, pointless, mind numbingly boring arguments.
For the overall shape of Earth to be flat, requires billions of people and billions of pieces of information about Earth to be wrong. Do the maths.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #549 on: May 20, 2023, 03:33:51 PM »
What is forever?
A common English word.
Yes. And what does forever actually mean?



Quote from: JackBlack
It is really quite simple, is there a base or is it a never ending circle?
How long is a piece of string?

Quote from: JackBlack
Then why are you wasting your time?
Because unlike you, I care about the truth, and so I will object to your delusional BS.
You care about what you think is the truth. I wouldn't wholeheartedly disagree with that. You may just be someone who simply accepts anything as long as it's officially put out and guard it as if you do not want to question it, which is fair enough.
But the reality is, you have no clue if a lot of what you stand by is being told as factual.

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If you stopped spouting your BS and stopped pretending it was true I would have no need to continue explaining why it is garbage.
I don't pretend any of what I say is true. I say I believe it to be closer to truth than the global setup of offerings.

So now you have no more need to continue.

Care to tell us about the day you closed your eyes to the globe earth for the last time, and when you opened your eyes again, your life on a flat earth began?
For the overall shape of Earth to be flat, requires billions of people and billions of pieces of information about Earth to be wrong. Do the maths.

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JackBlack

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #550 on: May 20, 2023, 04:43:46 PM »
And what does forever actually mean?
To go on without end.

Now how about you stop acting like a foolish child and answer the question.
In your delusional fantasy, do you have the cycle continue forever, with every layer made of molecules and every molecules made of layers; or do you eventually reach a point where it stops?

You care about what you think is the truth.
No, far more than that.
I care about the truth. That also means I care about trying to make sure what I believe is the truth.
That means caring about what the evidence supports, caring about having explanations which actually work and match reality, ones which can be tested with predictive capabilities.

With sufficient evidence and explanatory and predicative capability, you can change my mind.

That is actually caring about the truth, not just caring about delusional beliefs.

Conversely, you hate the RE and want to live in a snow globe, so you reject so much of reality, and just spout whatever delusional BS you can to try to prop up your failure.
That is not caring about the truth at all.

I do question what I am told, but that doesn't mean rejecting it like you pretend.
Conversely, you don't question your delusional BS at all.
Instead, you look for pathetic, dishonest ways to attack gravity, and come up with whatever BS you think is needed to prop up your fantasy.

If you were honest and actually questioned your garbage you would see it all fall apart.

But the reality is, you have no clue
That isn't reality, that is your delusional fantasy.
A lie you need to keep telling yourself to pretend your delusional BS isn't garbage.

I don't pretend any of what I say is true.
Yes you do, repeatedly.
Just like the above, where you are making a claim about what "the reality is".
You repeatedly claim what say is true.
Just like when you repeatedly claim gravity is fiction, or there can be no such thing as pull, or no such thing as free space.
You aren't merely presenting it as your delusional beliefs, backed up by nothing except your hatred of reality.
Instead you present these as facts.

Then when repeatedly called out you eventually just backtrack and say it is all your own delusional beliefs.

Why not be honest? Openly admit you have no basis to reject gravity, that you have no justification for your claim that gravity is fiction, that the idea that gravity is fiction is just your delusional belief, and not reality, and that gravity can be real.
Then do the same for free space, and pulling forces.

And then NEVER again, boldly proclaim your delusional beliefs as fact. NEVER proclaim that gravity is fiction. NEVER proclaim that there can be no free space. NEVER proclaim that there can be no pulling forces.

And whenever you present your nonsense, keep a qualifier to always say it is just your belief, based upon nothing.

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #551 on: May 20, 2023, 07:07:46 PM »

Sceptimatic is insightful enough to understand that a person's entire life experience and world,

But that’s the irony of the thread.  The individual isn’t providing any form of “experience” in the thread titled, “Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure.”

While other persons experiences are documented, presented, are then ignored.


Like the ball is pulled through the atmosphere and not pushed by atmosphere by the way the ball leaves a wake.



The individual only provides opinion in the face of actual experience.

If the individual actually cared about den pressure and not the attention.  The individual would make an all encompassing thread clearly outlining the “laws” of den pressure in an opening post.   The end game isn’t to prove den pressure, but to keep attention. 

« Last Edit: May 20, 2023, 07:09:23 PM by DataOverFlow2022 »

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #552 on: May 20, 2023, 07:23:16 PM »

Now how about you stop acting like a foolish child and answer the question.


The ridiculousness of the situation of den pressure stuck me while taking my child to the park. 

It’s like someone coming up to tag you while yelling your it without even realizing there was a game of tag.


Or even a better example.  Den pressure is like a child reaching out touching a tree and crying out I beat you in the race without ever realizing there was a race.  Then you say race you to the next tree and you clearly win, but the child keeps saying they won.  Den pressure is like that, but the lies it uses makes it ugly, and the donning of arrogance to support den pressure makes it disgusting.

Makes you wonder about the person.  Makes you wonder about the ethics of arguing with someone that is a troll or that delusional. 

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #553 on: May 20, 2023, 07:36:06 PM »
I was wondering why sceptimatic is putting so much time in this round.

I think the “formula” has changed. I think the individual would chill once they got a convert to argue den pressure, or they saw they got someone wishy washy on den pressure’s side. That hasn’t happen  of late.  I think it’s eating at sceptimatic that den pressure converts have dried up. 

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #554 on: May 21, 2023, 01:41:27 AM »
Absolutely but you need to put your thinking cap on to get it without trying to just think of air we breathe.
And all the evidence shows otherwise.

The closest you get is things like helium molecules diffusing through.
Quite slowly over time.
It doesn't matter how fast or slow. The point is made and you are now starting to get it, until you decide not to.

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And with your fantasy, just like the sieves, there is no reason for it.
Not if you have no real clue about denpressure.

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But then again, in your fantasy there is no reason for solids at all.
And again, not if you refuse/fail to understand pressure.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #555 on: May 21, 2023, 01:57:15 AM »

You seem to want to play with numbers and think it's going to help you understand.
You need a mindset to play basic to understand and you simply do not possess it.

You come on this site and act like a cult leader telling people what to believe.
No, I'd say that actually identifies you and those like you.
I repeatedly tell people they have their own thoughts and are welcome to them.
I never tell anyone to believe in denpressure. I merely say, if you want to understand it then put in the effort instead of trying to ridicule putting up your shield.

You on the other hand use every trick in the book to beat down those who do not follow your strict indoctrinated beliefs.
Have a good think about what you say.

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  Always preaching, producing nothing tangible like how to calculate filling a railcar. Something done thousands of times a day often by entry level workers.
I have no need to. You can do all that for me but you simply don't understand how denpressure comes into play because you're stuck on this gravity fiction.

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Then when asked how to adopt your delusion into actual process calculations you utterly fail.
There's no fail on my part.

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When asked how I can use your delusion at work.  You utterly fail.
You use it every day so there's no fail on my part.

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When asked how to use your delusion to actually produce power and chemical products you fail.
Sam as above.

 
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Adopting your delusion where I work would literally get people killed and cause damage to the environment. You’re a hack!
It appears it hasn't so it works.
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How am I to adopted your delusion into entry level tasks like calculating filling rail cars, and tanker cars.
Just like you normally do. It's only the wording and reasoning that changes.

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How would total dissolved solids have any meaning in your delusion.
First of all you have to know why things dissolve in denpressure but first, you need to explain why they dissolve in the fantasy you were offered as factual.
Can you explain it simply?
I already have if you've taken notice.

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How would you ever provide the correct array of pressure and temperature corrections for density to program flow meters with your delusional unit of mass -  volume.  Vital instruments that are part of process safer management.
Just as they are now. Only the process is worded differently with fictional gravity employed as a dupe.

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You’re a cult leader that has earned the right to be ridiculed.
Nobody bothers with denpressure so cult leader means I lead myself. Unless you're panicking that people will actually cotton on to alternate ideas to the global fiction.

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  You’re a con.  A snake oil salesman.  A hack.  A failure.
And you are one angry person, which is fine from my side, I'm just saying.

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Your delusion would get people killed in industries that work with dangerous chemicals, dangerous temperatures, dangerous pressures, dangerous processes.
It doesn't seem so, does it?
People do get killed by mistakes in the industry just as anywhere but denpressure does just fine. You use it every day as does everyone else, in my opinion.

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And you’re sickeningly smug about your ignorance.
You're mixing up smugness with not being a pushover and bowing to angry people like yourself.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #556 on: May 21, 2023, 01:58:07 AM »

 Absolutely but you need to put your thinking cap on

No.  So you’re not a hypocrite. 
No. At least you're now seeing that.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #557 on: May 21, 2023, 02:00:53 AM »
I can see plenty of evidence in this thread for Den pressure. Plenty of evidence for Den Pressure being the stubborn mindset of a person who has no desire to budge from that mindset. Sceptimatic is just laughing at you guys.

He doesn't have to bow down to or acknowledge anything you all say.

Sceptimatic has been hard at this for ten years, and you all think you'll get him to say he's defeated? Not in a million years.

Sceptimatic will have the last laugh because this argument has never ever been about evidence. It's been about a mindset that works for someone that doesn't work for you guys. To hound someone for a difference of opinion or different mindset is discrimination.

Why would I want him to say he is defeated?

I just want him to answer questions about his theory without deflecting and using the "you have to understand the basics first".   He can't even get passed the basics of his own theory.  For 10 years, you would expect that his theory would have expanded to include more information.
It has but you simply don't see it.
And also very few people even dare to put their thinking caps on because to even appear to try to understand denpresure would make them a target for the angry ranters.
That's how it is.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #558 on: May 21, 2023, 02:06:27 AM »
Anyojne can gain experience but not anyone can understand that one setup of theory may not be the actual reality of the end product and instead there is another reasoning omitted in order to keep the first one as a purpose to further an agenda.
And you are a great example, where you latch onto the FE like a safety blanket and provide so much nonsense away from reality.
I'm sure you'll be able to explain what this means...right?

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If you stopped spouting your BS and stopped pretending it was true I would have no need to continue explaining why it is garbage.
You've never explained why it is garbage. You've just ranted mostly and simply said it was garbage.
Unfortunately for you, you gain no traction with those offerings.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #559 on: May 21, 2023, 02:08:57 AM »

Anyone can gain experience but not anyone can understand


Then.  Real life experience. Using your meaningless delusion.  Say you have product X.  With your delusion units of mass - volume.  With your delusional density of 5 kilograms - liters.

And you have 50 kilograms of your product x with your delusional density of 5 kilograms - liters, will the 50 kilograms fit in a 10 gallon tank?

Your delusion is worthless at solving the most basic problems.

What good is your worthless delusion to a facility that has to load chemicals for shipping.  Working to ship safely with the lease about of environmental impact. 

You’re still a hack that can only preach a lie on a delusion if used in industry would get people killed and harm the environment.
Start explaining how it works in your world.
Nice and simple to go through it without using copy and paste.
Let's see where you get to.

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #560 on: May 21, 2023, 03:15:31 AM »

Anyone can gain experience but not anyone can understand


Then.  Real life experience. Using your meaningless delusion.  Say you have product X.  With your delusion units of mass - volume.  With your delusional density of 5 kilograms - liters.

And you have 50 kilograms of your product x with your delusional density of 5 kilograms - liters, will the 50 kilograms fit in a 10 gallon tank?

Your delusion is worthless at solving the most basic problems.

What good is your worthless delusion to a facility that has to load chemicals for shipping.  Working to ship safely with the lease about of environmental impact. 

You’re still a hack that can only preach a lie on a delusion if used in industry would get people killed and harm the environment.
Start explaining how it works in your world.
Nice and simple to go through it without using copy and paste.
Let's see where you get to.

It’s right there in the math.

Good gosh.


You just killed den pressure.

In my reality density is equal to mass divided by volume.

****note added.  It’s a ratio and it makes sense.****

Density = 1 g/ml (grams / milliliters)

Flow is = volume / time

Say product x has a density of 1 g/ml and flows at 1 ml/s. Flows one milliliter a second.

You want to know how long to flow to get 100 grams of product.


                           ml      s
Time = 100 g  x —— x ——
                           1g     1 ml

The units work.  The math makes sense.

It takes 100 seconds to load 100 grams of product x if it’s density is 1g/ml and it flows at 1 ml/s

Now you?

Density equals mass minus volume.

(How do you take mass and remove only volume?  In reality to remove volume from an object with mass, mass has to be removed.)

Density equals grams -  milliliters.

Now.  Using den pressure. 

Say product x has a density of 1 g minus ml.  ( what does 1gram - milliliter even mean?) And flows at 1 ml/s. Flows one milliliter a second.

You want to know how long to flow to get 100 grams of product.  Solve using den pressure for time the process has to flow to load 100 grams of product.


. It’s right there in the basic math and how the units cancel to get the right units.

If you want 100 grams of produce and wanted to know how long it would take to get it.  If your density of your product 1 g/mI and the product out of the process flows at 1 ml/sec why would it be anything other than 100 seconds?  For every ml of the product there is one gram and your flowing 1 ml a second. 

What is there not to get?


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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #561 on: May 21, 2023, 03:37:07 AM »

 Absolutely but you need to put your thinking cap on

No.  So you’re not a hypocrite. 
No. At least you're now seeing that.

Yes you’re a hypocrite.

You keep posting about experience in a thread that is literally about creating an experience through what experiment would allow a person to experience den pressure, and you can’t come up with an experiment.

I did this.



A documented experience that shows by the wake left by the dropping ball the ball is pulled through atmosphere, and the ball is not pushed.

Which is inline why dropped objects in a vacuum fall faster when air resistance is made negligible.

Which is inline with fluid power where you need high pressure traveling to low pressure to crated a movement of atoms and / or molecules to impinge on an object to get it to move. 

Which is inline when air resistance is made negligible by shape, they drop at the same rate.  Something my people have experienced for them selves..








Which is inline with feathers and a bowling ball dropped at he same rate in a vacuum.




For your delusion you have to ignore the reality of other people’s experiences that are documented while you only offer flawed and biased opinion.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #562 on: May 21, 2023, 04:36:33 AM »
Quote from: sceptimatic link=topic=91690.msg2403772#m

How about you explain .

What’s it like sceptimatic that you can’t find one thing concerning den pressure to accurately solve a real life situation like loading railcars.
You're offering up stuff but you're not telling me why it's happening and why.
Can you explain it in your own words, nice and simple? Even using analogies.


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You sceptimatic are down to repeating the same lies and hypocrisy to, what three four people as the world moves on.
I could say this about you but it becomes a pointless tit-for-tat.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #563 on: May 21, 2023, 04:37:49 AM »
By the way sceptimatic, you haven’t provided any real world experiences and haven’t proven there is something faked or wrong with these documented experiments.

Because you’re a hypocrite.







You don't even know what you're offering.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #564 on: May 21, 2023, 04:47:07 AM »
Care to tell us about the day you closed your eyes to the globe earth for the last time, and when you opened your eyes again, your life on a flat earth began?
I've already been through that.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #565 on: May 21, 2023, 05:18:13 AM »

You don't even know what you're offering.

Which has what to do with this?


 Absolutely but you need to put your thinking cap on

No.  So you’re not a hypocrite. 
No. At least you're now seeing that.

Yes you’re a hypocrite.

You keep posting about experience in a thread that is literally about creating an experience through what experiment would allow a person to experience den pressure, and you can’t come up with an experiment.

I did this.



A documented experience that shows by the wake left by the dropping ball the ball is pulled through atmosphere, and the ball is not pushed.

Which is inline why dropped objects in a vacuum fall faster when air resistance is made negligible.

Which is inline with fluid power where you need high pressure traveling to low pressure to crated a movement of atoms and / or molecules to impinge on an object to get it to move. 

Which is inline when air resistance is made negligible by shape, they drop at the same rate.  Something my people have experienced for them selves..








Which is inline with feathers and a bowling ball dropped at he same rate in a vacuum.




For your delusion you have to ignore the reality of other people’s experiences that are documented while you only offer flawed and biased opinion.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #566 on: May 21, 2023, 05:23:33 AM »
And what does forever actually mean?
To go on without end.
Yes.
Can there ever be an end or is it we humans just can't comprehend it?

So that leaves us arguing points to an end of our making in our minds.
You have a globe with a universe and a big bang and wormholes, black holes, and a whole host of stuff that is the imagination of some and the acceptance of it by the many, without any proof but proof not being required as long as mass opinion takes precedence over minority opinions in variety against it.

It's as simple as that.


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Now how about you stop acting like a foolish child and answer the question.
In your delusional fantasy, do you have the cycle continue forever, with every layer made of molecules and every molecules made of layers; or do you eventually reach a point where it stops?
I can't offer you an answer to that just as you can't to life itself.

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You care about what you think is the truth.
No, far more than that.
I care about the truth. That also means I care about trying to make sure what I believe is the truth.
That means caring about what the evidence supports, caring about having explanations which actually work and match reality, ones which can be tested with predictive capabilities.
You care about the truth in your mind of what you believe is the truth, told by people you trust to be telling it as fact.
Unless you actually physically know something then you are reliant on putting your hand into the mass opinion bag of answers and pinning it to your fact board.

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With sufficient evidence and explanatory and predicative capability, you can change my mind.
I'll never change your mind and nor do I want to.
The only person who can change your mind is you.
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That is actually caring about the truth, not just caring about delusional beliefs.
It's caring about what you think is the best setup.

You'll deny this but this is the human mind of mass following.
If you moved into a street and introduced yourself to your neighbours and each neighbour told you the neighbour on the end house of the street, was a dog and cat killer because a dog went missing and a cat, and you ownder a dog and a cat, you're going to accept the majority verdict that the man is indeed a dog and cat killer and you'll do it without evidence but you may never confront the man directly, just make sure your dog and cat is with you and never left to roam.

I'm just giving you a simple idea of how and why people follow mass opinion without evidence or with, at best, circumstantial.

This is you with the pseudo-science of anything globally suited to you.  In my opinion, just like you have yours.

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Conversely, you hate the RE and want to live in a snow globe, so you reject so much of reality, and just spout whatever delusional BS you can to try to prop up your failure.
It's not about me wanting to live in anything. It's about trying to find out what it is we actually do live in by doping the jigsaw.
I've done enough of it to know in my mind we do not live on a spinning globe in a space vacuum with a few million-mile circumference of a burning fiery sun...and so on.


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That is not caring about the truth at all.
It's trying to put a better take on the fictional stories that are spread about a spinning globe.

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I do question what I am told, but that doesn't mean rejecting it like you pretend.
You only question what is offered aside from the mass opinion of official stories.

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Conversely, you don't question your delusional BS at all.
I question all of the time. Look at when I first started and what I believed.
I'd say I've done a hell of a lot of questioning.
You are basically projecting.

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Instead, you look for pathetic, dishonest ways to attack gravity, and come up with whatever BS you think is needed to prop up your fantasy.
I don;t need to look at dishonest ways to attack something which does not exist.

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If you were honest and actually questioned your garbage you would see it all fall apart.
It doesn't fall apart and you don't have enough about you to make it fall apart because you refuse to take notes because you daren't take notes for fear of ridicule, as far as I'm concerned.

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But the reality is, you have no clue
That isn't reality, that is your delusional fantasy.
A lie you need to keep telling yourself to pretend your delusional BS isn't garbage.
You don't have a clue otherwise you wouldn't be at square one. It's almost like you're scared to delve.


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I don't pretend any of what I say is true.
Yes you do, repeatedly.
Just like the above, where you are making a claim about what "the reality is".
You repeatedly claim what say is true.
AS I said, I offer what I believe may be the truth, I don't put it out as truth.
I put it out for people to try and understand it amid you and a few others who try their best to ensure it's ridiculed enough to stop people from daring to understand it.
Otherwise, you wouldn't be so frenzied.


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Just like when you repeatedly claim gravity is fiction, or there can be no such thing as pull, or no such thing as free space.
And I stand by all of them because denpressure does not allow it.


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You aren't merely presenting it as your delusional beliefs, backed up by nothing except your hatred of reality.
Instead you present these as facts.
There's no hatred from me.
I think you're definitely projecting.

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Then when repeatedly called out you eventually just backtrack and say it is all your own delusional beliefs.
No need for me to backtrack. I stand by what I say, steadfastly.


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Why not be honest? Openly admit you have no basis to reject gravity, that you have no justification for your claim that gravity is fiction, that the idea that gravity is fiction is just your delusional belief, and not reality, and that gravity can be real.
Then do the same for free space, and pulling forces.
I do try to be honest with this stuff because I genuinely believe none of those are a reality.
I believe those supposed forces are just cloaks for what's really going on.


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And then NEVER again, boldly proclaim your delusional beliefs as fact.
I don't. I claim them as my belief's not forcing people to believe them.

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NEVER proclaim that gravity is fiction.
I believe it is.

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NEVER proclaim that there can be no free space.
I believe there can not be free space.

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NEVER proclaim that there can be no pulling forces.
I believe there can not be a pulling force.


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And whenever you present your nonsense, keep a qualifier to always say it is just your belief, based upon nothing.
But I've always said it so you trying to twist that to suit you is your issue and is of no concern to me.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #567 on: May 21, 2023, 05:27:55 AM »
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How about you explain .

What’s it like sceptimatic that you can’t find one thing concerning den pressure to accurately solve a real life situation like loading railcars.
You're offering up stuff but you're not telling me why it's happening and why.
Can you explain it in your own words, nice and simple? Even using analogies.


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You sceptimatic are down to repeating the same lies and hypocrisy to, what three four people as the world moves on.
I could say this about you but it becomes a pointless tit-for-tat.

What?

This?


Anyone can gain experience but not anyone can understand


Then.  Real life experience. Using your meaningless delusion.  Say you have product X.  With your delusion units of mass - volume.  With your delusional density of 5 kilograms - liters.

And you have 50 kilograms of your product x with your delusional density of 5 kilograms - liters, will the 50 kilograms fit in a 10 gallon tank?

Your delusion is worthless at solving the most basic problems.

What good is your worthless delusion to a facility that has to load chemicals for shipping.  Working to ship safely with the lease about of environmental impact. 

You’re still a hack that can only preach a lie on a delusion if used in industry would get people killed and harm the environment.
Start explaining how it works in your world.
Nice and simple to go through it without using copy and paste.
Let's see where you get to.

It’s right there in the math.

Good gosh.


You just killed den pressure.

In my reality density is equal to mass divided by volume.

****note added.  It’s a ratio and it makes sense.****

Density = 1 g/ml (grams / milliliters)

Flow is = volume / time

Say product x has a density of 1 g/ml and flows at 1 ml/s. Flows one milliliter a second.

You want to know how long to flow to get 100 grams of product.


                           ml      s
Time = 100 g  x —— x ——
                           1g     1 ml

The units work.  The math makes sense.

It takes 100 seconds to load 100 grams of product x if it’s density is 1g/ml and it flows at 1 ml/s

Now you?

Density equals mass minus volume.

(How do you take mass and remove only volume?  In reality to remove volume from an object with mass, mass has to be removed.)

Density equals grams -  milliliters.

Now.  Using den pressure. 

Say product x has a density of 1 g minus ml.  ( what does 1gram - milliliter even mean?) And flows at 1 ml/s. Flows one milliliter a second.

You want to know how long to flow to get 100 grams of product.  Solve using den pressure for time the process has to flow to load 100 grams of product.


. It’s right there in the basic math and how the units cancel to get the right units.

If you want 100 grams of produce and wanted to know how long it would take to get it.  If your density of your product 1 g/mI and the product out of the process flows at 1 ml/sec why would it be anything other than 100 seconds?  For every ml of the product there is one gram and your flowing 1 ml a second. 

What is there not to get?




It’s almost like adding 2 apples to two more apples to have a total of four apples.


People in the lab create product X.  They measure the mass of product x is 100 grams for 100 milliliters.

Density = mass / volume.

Density = 100 grams / 100 milliliters.

Or density = 1 gram / milliliter  or 1 gram per milliliter.  Note.  Added.  It’s a ratio.  Mass per volume.

If the process flows 1 milliliter per second.  And one milliliter has the mass of one gram. It will take 100 seconds to flow / get / produce 100 grams of product x.

I guess math isn’t your language either.
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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #568 on: May 21, 2023, 07:52:41 AM »
Care to tell us about the day you closed your eyes to the globe earth for the last time, and when you opened your eyes again, your life on a flat earth began?
I've already been through that.

Post up the link?

There's no way in heaven or hell I'll find it amongst your trillion posts on this forum. That would be like saying it's engraved on a grand of sand, somewhere on that sandy beach.

Mate, the closest I've come to your awakening was in the opposite direction, when I stood on a hill, sank my energy down into the earth, rooting myself to the Earth, and watched not a sunset, but the entire Western horizon moving up in front of the sun, and myself on this giant ball planet, roll backwards slightly. It made me unbalanced. That's something, I doubt you could ever experience with your mindset. You'd just watch the sun setting.
For the overall shape of Earth to be flat, requires billions of people and billions of pieces of information about Earth to be wrong. Do the maths.

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Re: Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?
« Reply #569 on: May 21, 2023, 03:12:57 PM »
It doesn't matter how fast or slow. The point is made and you are now starting to get it, until you decide not to.
It does matter.
Quite a lot.

Consider a simple hollow steel cube, with a gas outlet attached.
We place it on a balance and weigh it.
We then attach a pump and remove the majority of the air from it.
We then re-weigh it.

If your nonsense was true, it is displacing more air, and should weigh more. But in reality it is observed to weigh less.

And this is where speed comes in.
If the air can go through the wall quite quickly, then you would never be able to reduce the air inside it significantly at all.
And by the time you took it back to the balance, it would be just as full as it was before.
However, if it proceeds at an incredibly slow rate, then there is plenty of time to get most of the air out and place it on the balance to weight it again.
It will then slowly enter it.

We can see the same with a helium filled balloon.
If it was incredibly fast, the helium would just leak out of the balloon as you try to inflate it, so you would never get a nice buoyant balloon.
But if it is slow, it will be inflated, with the helium trapped inside, slowly leaking out over the course of days to weeks, with the balloon shrinking as it does and getting less buoyant.

So the rate is very important as it dictates what we would be able to observe.
And the incredibly slow diffusion of helium through it is irrelevant for the discussion at hand.

We can get materials which are air tight, with some displacing more atmosphere and weighing less, while others displace more atmosphere and weigh more.
It is as if there are 2 separate effects, one (downards) which scales based upon mass, and one counter to that (i.e. upwards) which scales based upon fluid being displaced.

And this also relates directly to the sieves. Again, if nothing is air tight, how can the sieves stop the air or part of it going through?

Not if you have no real clue about denpressure.
Even more so if you do have a clue about denpressure.
There is simply no reason at all for these observations.

And again, not if you refuse/fail to understand pressure.
And again, it only appears to have a reason if you are intentionally seeking out an incredibly superficial understanding.
If instead you seek out a more in depth, connected understand, you very quickly realise so much of the world simply can't work in your fantasy.

As has been explained to you repeatedly, the big issue here for the existence of solids and liquids is the absence of pulling forces.
You need pulling forces to hold solids and liquids together.
No pulling forces, and they all fall apart.
In your fantasy, with no pulling forces, a "solid" object should behave just like a liquid, freely flowing, freely being pushed around, as there is nothing to PULL it together.

I repeatedly tell people they have their own thoughts and are welcome to them.
Until it comes to something like gravity, the round Earth, free space, or pulling forces; at which point you boldly claim it to be fictional garbage and do not want people to accept these parts of reality.

I never tell anyone to believe in denpressure. I merely say, if you want to understand it then put in the effort instead of trying to ridicule putting up your shield.
Again, there is a very big difference between believing in something (or accepting it) and understanding it.

I understand your nonsense, and this causes me to realise it is nonsense.
Pointing out why your BS doesn't work doesn't mean we don't understand it or that we are trying to ridicule it.

You on the other hand use every trick in the book to beat down those who do not follow your strict indoctrinated beliefs.
No we don't.
We use evidence, logic, reason. Things your garbage lacks.

You use it every day so there's no fail on my part.
No one uses your delusional BS.
This is just a pathetic lie you keep telling yourself.

So much of reality relies upon your delusional BS being wrong, with people using things other than your delusional BS to make things work.

It appears it hasn't so it works.
No one has adopted your delusional BS, so no, it doesn't mean it works.

It's only the wording and reasoning that changes.
Yet you can't provide any of that reasoning. Instead you just repeatedly assert the same pathetic lie that it all works the same.

But that is where you really shoot yourself in the foot.
If it all works the same, why should anyone believe your delusional BS?
If it all works the same, that means we can stick to mainstream science, which has the same results.

Again, in order to justify your BS, showing it is real and gravity et al are not, you need to provide an example where they differ.

I have already provided plenty where your delusional BS produces a result which is not observed in reality.