Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #930 on: April 16, 2025, 02:58:16 PM »
The horizon stretches on a long infinite line
No, it is quite finite.
If you stand in a spot, you can see the horizon, a finite distance away.
If you then turn on that spot, you can follow that horizon around, all the way around in a circle.
That means it is a circle with a finite radius giving it a finite distance.

The horizon is not infinitely far away. Another problem for the FE fantasy.

This is how the world operates. If you go east or west, you go in a circle, but anything you've build appears as a straight line.
So you are saying a circle can appear as a straight line?

If you head north, you go to the center. If you go south you go outward.
No, you don't.
As clearly shown by the fact that as you go south of the equator, the distance between 2 lines of longitude shrink. Clearly showing you are not going out.
And you can continue past the north pole or the south pole, and start going down the other side.

But none of this deflection helps you explain your BS at all.

Again:
Draw a side view showing the sun, the cloud and the observer, showing their real physical positions.
Draw in the path of the light, explaining any curve or other change in direction in it.
Until you can, don't pretend the FE can actually work as a model.

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #931 on: April 17, 2025, 03:11:55 AM »
Notice that at some point, I changed it from bridge to pier. Your own quotes show this.

Now address the loads of specific examples that soundly debunks flat earth.

Start with the sun rising due east and setting due west on the equinox.



"Now address the points that I made by copypasta of flatearth.ws"

But you aren't a sock puppet or anything.

Why am I obligated to answer someone else's points?
Why can't you make your own honest arguments?

But from what I saw, they made a strawman assumption of how the sun should look at those points, then knocked it down. "It doesn't match our wrong assumptions! The Earth must be flat!"  They claim the sun sets in the northwest rather than the west. So? You're using the shape of the sun's path to determine the shape of the ground. Do you also measure a bathroom's slope by its vaulted ceilings? And how do they even know it sets in the northwest? The sky has a number of optical illusions, including vanishing point, which I am about to get to. They are sure that it's northwest. I didn't watch them hold the compass though. The Earth in your RE vision is elliptical. Maybe the sun's path is slightly imperfect? I don't know, and I don't care. It doesn't prove the Earth isn't flat. Only actually leveling the ground does that, not looking up in the sky.

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The pier is in front of the horizon.
So your attempt use it to say the posts didnt disappesr bottom-up is a either:

A:   a lie to misrepresnt how circles work
B:    you didnt realize an oject has to go behind something for it to be blocked from view.

Do you see anything "blocking it from view". No? Neither do I. Instead it is in completely open sky, sitting on the water beyond it. The land, sea, and sky are all wide surfaces but the "bridge" starts to narrow, as does this road.


 You have to zoom in to distinguish that this "bridge" is in fact a pier. Because both a bridge and a long pier look the same as they taper inward toward the horizon, and it's only by zooming in that you can distinguish them.

Did I misrepresent how circles work? No, not really. A straight line in all sides (the horizon) is a circle. We can see infinitely across the horizon, all the way that we wrap around to our original position. There is no obstruction that you imagine. Mountains? Heavy fog? Skyscrapers? Nope. The water is underneath the bridge/pier, and by definition cannot obstruct it. Yet as it tapers to a point, the pier seems to go to the horizon until you notice water is slightly "above" the pier. This means you draw an upward angular line away from you like so.

------------------------/ horizon (also where view of water ends)
                         /
               =/    /  end of pier
                /    /
              /    /
            /    /
          /    /
        /    /
      /    /
---------/  land becomes water
        /
      /
    /
  /
/

Then you can draw an angle up and towards you to the top of the sky. Nothing is blocking it. Instead viewpoint vanishes upward toward the horizon, and downward from the sky to the horizon. Yes, like this.


Meanwhile in fantasy world, imaginary obstructions and curves block our view.



Does this at all look like our bridge?



Here's a second pier. Again, the only curve is one made by digital distortion.
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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #932 on: April 17, 2025, 03:28:53 AM »
Why can't you make your own honest arguments?
We can. I have. I even provided an image for this problem, and you just ignored like the lying POS you are.

But from what I saw, they made a strawman assumption of how the sun should look at those points
No. They honestly represented what is expected from the model.
Something FEers can't explain. Something they have been asked to explain, and then deflected from or made some BS excuse they shouldn't explain.
Look at you now, not even attempting to explain it and instead just dismissing it as a strawman without any explanation of how it is one.

Do you see anything "blocking it from view". No? Neither do I.
i.e. it is in front of the horizon and has nothing to do with what was being discussed.
Objects in front of the horizon appear smaller and smaller.
Objects beyond the horizon (which are low enough) then start appearing to disappear from the bottom up as if they are sinking into Earth.

Did I misrepresent how circles work? No, not really. A straight line in all sides (the horizon) is a circle. We can see infinitely across the horizon
You most certainly did then.
A circle is not a straight line.
A circle, a finite distance away is not infinitely.

The water is underneath the bridge/pier, and by definition cannot obstruct it.
Yet again, misrepresenting a circle, and ignoring the problem with a FE.
If Earth is flat, then that claim of yours is true, and we should never see the water appear to obstruct things like that.
But back in reality, we do see the water obstruct the view.
And that is because Earth curving allows it to obstruct the view.

Instead viewpoint vanishes upward toward the horizon, and downward from the sky to the horizon. Yes, like this.
Except as repeatedly explained and demonstrated, the vanishing point is infinitely far away, and the horizon is below the vanishing point.

Meanwhile in fantasy world, imaginary obstructions and curves block our view.
No, in reality obstructions from the real curve blocks our view.

Here's a second pier. Again, the only curve is one made by digital distortion.
You mean here is another example of your dishonesty where you provide an object which is useless at demonstrating what you have been asked about.

Again:
Draw a side view showing the sun, the cloud and the observer, showing their real physical positions.
Draw in the path of the light, explaining any curve or other change in direction in it.
Until you can, don't pretend the FE can actually work as a model.

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #933 on: April 17, 2025, 05:44:11 AM »

Why am I obligated to answer someone else's points?


Read what is actually posted.

Now address things that kill and debunk flat earth beyond a reasonable doubt.  Again.  Flat earth, the sun would have to visually turn hour by hour in its path and travel north / south over Japan. Where on the equinox the sun rises due east and sets due west.  The heliocentric model accurately predicts our reality.  Flat earth is useless




Then you can draw

How about an actual example.



Hmm.  Now let’s put curvature in the piece of sheet metal.  Like this.  Did have to weigh down the ends.



Looking out over the “horizon” of the curved metal sheet.



Well.  The bottom is physically blocked from view.



Well.  Look at that.  You can’t tell the sheet is “rising” at the base because of the angle of the camera.  Like the angle of the camera to the pier. Where the curve is much grater than the curve of the earth where your pier might go 1000 feet.  So the curve wouldn’t even be 2 inches.  Where you are trying to compare a 1000 foot pier at a bad camera angle to detect 2 inches of curvature for 1000 feet (8 inch’s of curve over 5,280 feet) to a power line running over 10 miles?


Again.  Because something looks flat doesn’t mean it’s flat.



As for stupid meme about a beach ball or basketball looking flat when you look at a tiny piece under a microscope, there is a bit of a gaping hole in your logic.


The below with a camera with a built in zoom lens with a macro lens adapter shows just because you think it looks flat isn’t evidence of it being actually flat.



The same case that has been proven many times in different ways.

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Measures “flat” with a straight edge with a small frame of reference.



The tank actually is big enough to have a gentle curve.



What should the curve look like to a person 6 foot tall for an earth 30,000 times, or more, greater in diameter than the tank?





But notice the curvature in the metal sheet makes a horizon with a dip beyond.

Now, care to address measurable dip of the horizon and pictures of the earth’s curvature.

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https://mctoon.net/photos-of-the-curve/






Where you also ignore the dip of the horizon.



Water lays flat.

Other than high tide, low tide, spring tides, tides coming in, tides going out, tidal bores.

Where you are trying to ignore the surface of water is level.  Level that is perpendicular to earths gravity?

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #934 on: April 17, 2025, 06:00:33 AM »
Again, the only curve is one made by digital distortion.

Define “digital distortion”. Made up BS argument by you.

Anyway.  Google search.



Curvature shown from different sources.

By the way..

There is no curvature,


And this is Chicago at 40 miles away. 
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New Buffalo, MI (40 miles from skyline)



https://yumyummatt.wordpress.com/2014/06/13/chicago-as-seen-from-around-south-lake-michigan/

Holly cow Bulma.  You can only see the very top of Chicago’s tallest buildings at 40 miles as predicted by earths curvature. What, three or four at most? 

Shouldn’t you see all the buildings on a flat earth? 



https://depositphotos.com/photo/dramatic-chicago-skyline-illinois-usa-54016959.html



Bulma.  If the earth was flat, in the 40 mile picture where is the bottoms of the tallest buildings, where are the shorter buildings, the trees, and the Chicago Lake Wall. 

Strange only the tops of buildings with a total height greater than 1000 foot are seen if you think the earth is flat. 


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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #935 on: April 17, 2025, 09:25:55 AM »
Meanwhile in fantasy world, imaginary obstructions and curves block our view.

You referring to the below that you pirated by making no effort to credit where the photo came from and it’s context

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https://www.metabunk.org/threads/soundly-proving-the-curvature-of-the-earth-at-lake-pontchartrain.8939/


You again..

Again, the only curve is one made by digital distortion.


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So.  Why doesn’t your pier have “digital distortion”

What “digital distortion” are you referring to.  A boogeyman when you need false assurance based on baseless claims. 


Flat earth is stupid. 

Anyway.  Referenced from the Metabunk thread you invoked.

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Tears So Many Tears - Lake Pontchartrain - Electrical Transmission Pylons - (Flat Earth Debunked)

https://www.youtube.com/live/u61oOOjwm7Q?si=kebSSi4Taew6OgEm

Source:


More by the same person, Soundly.

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DSCN1121 - Flatearth Game, Set, Match - (Flat Earth Debunked)



This one by Soundly is even on topic for this thread?

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Sun Beneath The Clouds 7 (Flat Earth Debunk)








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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #936 on: April 17, 2025, 04:55:45 PM »
Do you also measure a bathroom's slope by its vaulted ceilings?
You keep bringing this up.  Are you saying that your view of the ceiling would be the same from a curved floor as from a flat floor?  Draw some dots on the ceiling and measure the angles to those dots from various locations on a flat floor and from corresponding locations on a curved floor.  What do you suppose the results might tell you?
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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #937 on: April 17, 2025, 07:12:23 PM »
I keep bringing it up because you keep using this logic.



If you looked at this ceiling and told me that because the ceiling is like this, the floor must be like a big hill in the center of the room, I would say you were crazy. If water drips into that room, it would do a weird downhill pooling near the corners of the room, and you'd have to walk up a slope to get to the center of the room. 

And yes. You can see the sky outdoors with no discernible hills, and with a garbage pile in the distance. It doesn't change the sky itself. I likewise can put a beanbag in the middle of a room, creating an artificial mound, and the ceiling doesn't change.


Neither a hill, nor a valley, nor level plane, nor jagged crags has anything to do with how the sky is. And the sky has nothing to do with them. If you looked at the sky all the time, you're likely to stumble.

The walls have something to do with the shape of the ground and the ceiling. But outdoors, unless you can understand where the walls are, you're making wrong assumptions about the shape of everything.

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You referring to the below that you pirated by making no effort to credit where the photo came from and it’s context

You obviously discovered the wrong one.



Here's where I found it.

Okay, so that was completely fake. But that's the point. In this age of photoshop, if you still believe any image proves anything, you are gullible AF. Especially since I goofed and called him Mike instead of Mick.



They put an X by the second one. But the second is how actual vanishing point works. They claim this is "extreme refraction." But it's a GIMP tool called curve bend.

The checked one is a visual editing effect.

This is real.


This is doctored.

Curve Bend.



He thinks it's an odd camera angle. But from using GIMP, it's very definitely screwy distorts. GIMP has no less than 19 Distort options.
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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #938 on: April 17, 2025, 07:17:13 PM »
Moron posts a picture of a road with mountains in the background.

Mountains that show a clear and distinct "horizon" as their bodies curve away from us.

Then continues to claim a circle would never do that.
You could just zzoom in and see the back side of the mountain.


Mmmm



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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #939 on: April 17, 2025, 08:39:36 PM »
I keep bringing it up because you keep using this logic.



If you looked at this ceiling and told me that because the ceiling is like this, the floor must be like a big hill in the center of the room, I would say you were crazy.
Contrary to what you obviously think, it's not nearly that simple.  It would take more than just looking at the ceiling to say much of anything about the shape of the floor.  It would take careful measurements from various places in the room to gather any insight about the shape of the floor, but FE'ers like you wouldn't willing to put in that sort of effort.

Don't forget that the dome sky was used by the ancients long before the Greeks put the pieces together to figure out that the earth is really round.  It wasn't so much that the sky can be treated as a dome (it really isn't, it just looks that way), it's that careful observation of the sky from different parts of the world just don't make sense in the context of a flat earth.  However, they make perfect sense on a round earth.  For example, unless you can prove that light does some serious gyrations, celestial navigation just doesn't work on a flat earth.
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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #940 on: April 18, 2025, 01:34:28 AM »

He thinks

That you post a bunch of flack and false assurances you have something other made up BS.

No proof the seen curvature is anything you claim.


Where…



And this is Chicago at 40 miles away. 
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New Buffalo, MI (40 miles from skyline)



https://yumyummatt.wordpress.com/2014/06/13/chicago-as-seen-from-around-south-lake-michigan/

Holly cow Bulma.  You can only see the very top of Chicago’s tallest buildings at 40 miles as predicted by earths curvature. What, three or four at most? 

Shouldn’t you see all the buildings on a flat earth? 



https://depositphotos.com/photo/dramatic-chicago-skyline-illinois-usa-54016959.html



Bulma.  If the earth was flat, in the 40 mile picture where is the bottoms of the tallest buildings, where are the shorter buildings, the trees, and the Chicago Lake Wall. 

Strange only the tops of buildings with a total height greater than 1000 foot are seen if you think the earth is flat. 

Bulma.  The FE model totally fails to predict the path of the sun, the path of comets, the setting sun, why dial star atlases are accurate for millions of people in both hemispheres, and buildings / structures disappearing bottom up  where flat earth is useless to me.  Where the heliocentric model is useful.  Like accurately forecasting hour to hour tide movements when I was in the navy.  When I could swim off shore. 

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #941 on: April 18, 2025, 01:44:33 AM »

Here's where I found it.



That the towers get increasing physically blocked from view because of curvature where zooming “uncompromising” the towers doesn’t magically bring the bottoms being increasingly physically blocked from view into view.

Where you can’t address dip of the horizon and curvature.

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https://mctoon.net/photos-of-the-curve/






Where you also ignore the dip of the horizon.



Water lays flat.


Bulma.  If you think it’s digital distortion, then show the same phenomena with a 1000 foot pier with maybe a 2” curvature.  Vs a 10 mile line of power line towers.  Why is the literal curvature more pronounced in the 10 mile line.

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #942 on: April 18, 2025, 01:56:48 AM »

Okay, so that was completely fake.

The guy live streamed capturing video of the power line curvature.

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Tears So Many Tears - Lake Pontchartrain - Electrical Transmission Pylons - (Flat Earth Debunked)

https://www.youtube.com/live/u61oOOjwm7Q?si=kebSSi4Taew6OgEm

Source:


It’s seven yours old, but the original broadcast was live.

Where different people keep capturing the some phenomenon.

Again, the only curve is one made by digital distortion.

Define “digital distortion”. Made up BS argument by you.

Anyway.  Google search.



Curvature shown from different sources.

By the way..

There is no curvature,


And this is Chicago at 40 miles away. 
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New Buffalo, MI (40 miles from skyline)



https://yumyummatt.wordpress.com/2014/06/13/chicago-as-seen-from-around-south-lake-michigan/

Holly cow Bulma.  You can only see the very top of Chicago’s tallest buildings at 40 miles as predicted by earths curvature. What, three or four at most? 

Shouldn’t you see all the buildings on a flat earth? 



https://depositphotos.com/photo/dramatic-chicago-skyline-illinois-usa-54016959.html



Bulma.  If the earth was flat, in the 40 mile picture where is the bottoms of the tallest buildings, where are the shorter buildings, the trees, and the Chicago Lake Wall. 

Strange only the tops of buildings with a total height greater than 1000 foot are seen if you think the earth is flat.

So.  Bulma.  Once again flacking a thread with blatant false allegations it can’t provide any proof of.

With no explanations why different amounts and techniques of zoom can’t bring anymore of the bottoms of the towers physically blocked from view back into view. 




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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #943 on: April 18, 2025, 01:59:37 AM »

If you looked at this ceiling

Reminiscent of the argument you abandoned..

I'm not. I watched him zoom the camera in. I've done similar zooming, and this doesn't feel odd.



What are you incoherently babbling about.

Why did you abandon the below argument that has “zooming”  involved?


Seems simple enough.

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What happens when a cloud bank is large enough to straddle both ends of the parabola.



Added.  Where the sun still isn’t illuminating the clouds bottom up like this picture.

Especially for the below with clouds all the way to the east horizon for sunrise.  With no evidence the sunlight is reflecting off the ground.


Funny you should mention that. Let's watch a video together. ❤


Meanwhile.

Another impossible flat earth sunrise you have to ignore. Run away like a coward.  You have no explanation, you change the subject from the opening post, lie, use BS, and go into delusion rants, and try to derail another thread…







Clouds illuminated bottom up before sunrise is a property of spherical earth.  Not explained by FE without lies, BS, delusion




The clouds would have to do bendy crap like this, climbing up then turning overhead.



Where these low altitude clouds, maybe 1000 feet altitude.


Are just a going away from the camera, like this ball down the hallway.



Which is nothing like the motion of the setting sun.



Where “zooming” in from the original didn’t visually uncompress anything. 

For Flat Earth, the sun is still literally in the line of sight.



There is nothing blocking the sun from view.  Your parabola is stupid.

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #944 on: April 18, 2025, 04:09:58 AM »

Okay, so that was completely fake.

The guy live streamed capturing video of the power line curvature.

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Tears So Many Tears - Lake Pontchartrain - Electrical Transmission Pylons - (Flat Earth Debunked)

https://www.youtube.com/live/u61oOOjwm7Q?si=kebSSi4Taew6OgEm

Source: (Cut to save lag from too many videos)


You say that was "live". But even I know that you can frame by frame stills then add sound. Because the public doesn't know when you recorded it, when you add the pretaped recording to stream, the recording can be uploaded while playing. You just play the tape while the stream uploads. Even in Colombo movies, they made fake live stuff.

And even if it were live, as Eric Dubay pointed out in his video, trick angles are a thing.

But so is preproduction. Maybe unlike some of you, I tend to watch sci-fi/fantasy, including vintage films. And whether it's a flight to space...

or casting spells...

preproduction makes everything look live and in real time.

Since sound and visual are cut and merged separately, that isn't proof.

https://blog.livereacting.com/how-to-do-a-fake-live-stream/

In actual fact, when I clicked on the " live" one, it redirected me to a non-live video from seven years ago. So there's no proof anymore that it was EVER live.

Tough luck my friend, but no still means no.


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Anyway.  Google search.

Like your "live" video, you have "Google search" that appears to disproportionately carry carefully curated shots from flatearth.ws?

Regarding this particular picture (which I found typing in "flatearth.ws pontchartrain" proving that your own search was in fact biased)

Do you notice anything? Because I do! I notice that the line of vanishing point made does not match up to that curve made in the picture. When we look at a bridge picture of lake pontchartrain, like so,


we get a straight line like the vanishing point line. The picture here actually shows how the shot has been doctored to curve under the vanishing point rather than go in a straight line. You are either too crooked and fully support this distortion, or are stupid or deluded enough to believe I altered the pictures.

It should read "If we made a real picture, it should intersect with the vanishing point, as all real pictures conform to that."
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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #945 on: April 18, 2025, 04:32:37 AM »


You say that was "live".

Which has nothing to do with what was actually posted



Okay, so that was completely fake.

The guy live streamed capturing video of the power line curvature.

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Tears So Many Tears - Lake Pontchartrain - Electrical Transmission Pylons - (Flat Earth Debunked)

https://www.youtube.com/live/u61oOOjwm7Q?si=kebSSi4Taew6OgEm

Source:


It’s seven yours old, but the original broadcast was live.

Where different people keep capturing the some phenomenon.

Again, the only curve is one made by digital distortion.

Define “digital distortion”. Made up BS argument by you.

Anyway.  Google search.



Curvature shown from different sources.

By the way..

There is no curvature,


And this is Chicago at 40 miles away. 
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New Buffalo, MI (40 miles from skyline)



https://yumyummatt.wordpress.com/2014/06/13/chicago-as-seen-from-around-south-lake-michigan/

Holly cow Bulma.  You can only see the very top of Chicago’s tallest buildings at 40 miles as predicted by earths curvature. What, three or four at most? 

Shouldn’t you see all the buildings on a flat earth? 



https://depositphotos.com/photo/dramatic-chicago-skyline-illinois-usa-54016959.html



Bulma.  If the earth was flat, in the 40 mile picture where is the bottoms of the tallest buildings, where are the shorter buildings, the trees, and the Chicago Lake Wall. 

Strange only the tops of buildings with a total height greater than 1000 foot are seen if you think the earth is flat.

So.  Bulma.  Once again flacking a thread with blatant false allegations it can’t provide any proof of.

With no explanations why different amounts and techniques of zoom can’t bring anymore of the bottoms of the towers physically blocked from view back into view. 










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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #946 on: April 18, 2025, 04:43:03 AM »

Do you notice anything?

That you use bad camera angles that has been discussed and shown over and over to be a false assurance. 






Again.  Just because you claim it looks flat isn’t proof of being flat.



Hmm.  Now let’s put curvature in the piece of sheet metal.  Like this.  Did have to weigh down the ends.



Looking out over the “horizon” of the curved metal sheet.



Well.  The bottom is physically blocked from view.



Well.  Look at that.  You can’t tell the sheet is “rising” at the base because of the angle of the camera.  Like the angle of the camera to the pier. Where the curve is much grater than the curve of the earth where your pier might go 1000 feet.  So the curve wouldn’t even be 2 inches.  Where you are trying to compare a 1000 foot pier at a bad camera angle to detect 2 inches of curvature for 1000 feet (8 inch’s of curve over 5,280 feet) to a power line running over 10 miles?


Again.  Because something looks flat doesn’t mean it’s flat.



As for stupid meme about a beach ball or basketball looking flat when you look at a tiny piece under a microscope, there is a bit of a gaping hole in your logic.


The below with a camera with a built in zoom lens with a macro lens adapter shows just because you think it looks flat isn’t evidence of it being actually flat.



The same case that has been proven many times in different ways.

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Measures “flat” with a straight edge with a small frame of reference.



The tank actually is big enough to have a gentle curve.



What should the curve look like to a person 6 foot tall for an earth 30,000 times, or more, greater in diameter than the tank?




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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #947 on: April 18, 2025, 05:21:56 AM »
it should intersect with the vanishing point, as all real pictures conform to that."



Again.

You need to explain dip of the horizon that is a real and measurable thing.

You need to explain how you can stupidly invoke vanishing point to explain a sunset where the sun stays a constant dimension throughout the day killing flat earth.


You need to realize the flat earth model totally fails to predict the path of the sun where the sun needs to travel north / south over areas of the world like Japan, killing flat earth.

Bulma, you haven’t done anything to show flat earth is useful to me.  Where flat earth can’t even accurately predict the path of the sun.





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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #948 on: April 18, 2025, 07:13:23 AM »




Bulma.  Flat earth has always been smoke and mirrors.  Especially that you have to purposely pick pictures that have angles that hide curvature and make false assurances they should show curvature.  Just shows you flat earthers like you have no honour.  All to avoid the real issues the visible dimensions of the sun do not change to invoke vanishing point in the context of the setting sun, the FE model totally fails on modeling / predicting the actual path of the sun, and you run away from any meaningful discussions concerning the dip of the horizon is a measurable dimension of the earth.  Dip of the horizon is accurately calculated using earth’s heliocentric dimensions.

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #949 on: April 18, 2025, 07:37:59 AM »




Bulma.  Flat earth has always been smoke and mirrors.  Especially that you have to purposely pick pictures that have angles that hide curvature and make false assurances they should show curvature.  Just shows you flat earthers like you have no honour.  All to avoid the real issues the visible dimensions of the sun do not change to invoke vanishing point in the context of the setting sun, the FE model totally fails on modeling / predicting the actual path of the sun, and you run away from any meaningful discussions concerning the dip of the horizon is a measurable dimension of the earth.  Dip of the horizon is accurately calculated using earth’s heliocentric dimensions.

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #950 on: April 18, 2025, 08:36:21 AM »




Bulma.  Flat earth has always been smoke and mirrors.  Especially that you have to purposely pick pictures that have angles that hide curvature and make false assurances they should show curvature.  Just shows you flat earthers like you have no honour.  All to avoid the real issues the visible dimensions of the sun do not change to invoke vanishing point in the context of the setting sun, the FE model totally fails on modeling / predicting the actual path of the sun, and you run away from any meaningful discussions concerning the dip of the horizon is a measurable dimension of the earth.  Dip of the horizon is accurately calculated using earth’s heliocentric dimensions.

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Care to quote the post in its entirety and context.





Bulma.  Flat earth has always been smoke and mirrors.  Especially that you have to purposely pick pictures that have angles that hide curvature and make false assurances they should show curvature.  Just shows you flat earthers like you have no honour.  All to avoid the real issues the visible dimensions of the sun do not change to invoke vanishing point in the context of the setting sun, the FE model totally fails on modeling / predicting the actual path of the sun, and you run away from any meaningful discussions concerning the dip of the horizon is a measurable dimension of the earth.  Dip of the horizon is accurately calculated using earth’s heliocentric dimensions.

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Now.  Explain why flat earthers knowingly use camera angles and smaller portions that hide curvature then dishonestly act like it should show curvature.  How long is the segment of the bridge, how much curvature should be there, by using a view that hides curvature. 

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #951 on: April 18, 2025, 08:45:45 AM »
@dataidiot, why does the bridge appear straight  when it should arc with the curve of the earth?????


Again.  Cherry picking angle and portion photographed isn’t any proof to claim something is flat. 



As for stupid meme about a beach ball or basketball looking flat when you look at a tiny piece under a microscope, there is a bit of a gaping hole in your logic.


The below with a camera with a built in zoom lens with a macro lens adapter shows just because you think it looks flat isn’t evidence of it being actually flat.



The same case that has been proven many times in different ways.

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Measures “flat” with a straight edge with a small frame of reference.



The tank actually is big enough to have a gentle curve.



What should the curve look like to a person 6 foot tall for an earth 30,000 times, or more, greater in diameter than the tank?





Now explain dip of the horizon that is a real and measurable thing.

Now explain how stupidly invoking vanishing point to explain a sunset where the sun stays a constant dimension throughout the day killing flat earth.


You need to realize the flat earth model totally fails to predict the path of the sun where the sun needs to travel north / south over areas of the world like Japan, killing flat earth.

Flat earth is useless to me.  Where flat earth can’t even accurately predict the path of the sun.
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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #952 on: April 18, 2025, 09:19:46 AM »



@dataidiot, why does the bridge appear straight  when it should arc with the curve of the earth?????

Let’s put it this way.  Based on that building along the bridge.  Equally dived the bridge in the picture with a perpendicular line to the length of road.  Each half of the bridge segment might be four miles long?  And that’s probably being generous posting the picture shows eight miles length of bridge.  That means about a 32 inch drop off on each end.  Now, try marking a 32 inch length in height on the building standing above the water in any meaningful way.  32 inches in height is really at a resolution limit for the picture.  (Added.  Bonus points if you can also mark 32 inches on the building on the left side of the picture in a meaningful way.)

If you think that is BS.  Crop zoom a car on the bridge and show there is any indication the cars are 4 foot tall.


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I went to search the distance between the buildings if the picture is the Lake Pontchartrain Causeway.

This is what Bulma’s buddy AI spit out





So..  lucky if the picture even shows three miles of bridge / roadway.  Divide the visible length of the road way in half.  Might be a drop of 10 inches on each end?  In a picture made to lose that in a 2D picture where depth away from the viewer is meaningless.  If you don’t think so, ready to discus the placing of 3D reality and a depth of field going away from the viewer onto a 2D photo. 
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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #953 on: April 18, 2025, 02:54:53 PM »
I keep bringing it up because you keep using this logic.
No, we don't.
That is your strawman of what logic we are using.
Because you are intentionally refusing to understand.

Instead, the logic we are using is more akin to this:

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By taking a reference point, and measuring the angle to this point at spots on the surface, and knowing/measuring the distance between those spots, you can determine the shape of the surface.
It is simple geometry.
Something you claim to understand, yet here you are strawmanning it.

You obviously discovered the wrong one.
Here's where I found it.
i.e. you blatantly lie about it yet again.

In this age of photoshop, if you still believe any image proves anything, you are gullible AF.
And notice the blatant hypocrisy there?
You happily believe anything which supports your delusional BS, while outright rejecting anything that doesn't.
You happily provided with absolutely no idea where they came from and acting like they prove your delusional BS.
Sometimes even taking composites which are clearly indicated as such, and just ignoring that.

But then a picture shows you are are a lying POS and suddenly it must be fake.
You clearly have absolutely no integrity and do not give a damn about the truth at all.

Especially because plenty of these existed long before photoshop.
And more importantly, this is something you can go verify for yourself.

They put an X by the second one. But the second is how actual vanishing point works.
Yes, the second is how actual vanishing point works, with the parallel lines continuing off to infinity and becoming too small to resolve.
But that isn't what happens in reality.
So it gets an X because it doesn't match reality.
i.e. the vanishing point does not explain the horizon.

This is real.
And still shows a curve:

But like the lying POS you are, you instead get a very thick line which you don't even bother drawing accurately, to pretend it doesn't.

This is doctored.
You mean because it shows you are a lying POS you claim it is, with no evidence at all.

Again, you accept things as "real" when they support your delusional BS, and reject it as fake when it doesn't, solely because it doesn't. You have no justification at all for why one should be accepted as real and not the other. You have no justification at all for why one should be rejected as fake and not the other.

If you want to have any semblance of integrity while appealing to the fact that things can be faked to act as if they are faked, then you have to reject EVERYTHING.
You don't get to accept the things consistent with your delusional BS, you need to reject them as fake as well.

He thinks
I don't give a damn what your lying POS thinks.
This is something which has been verified by countless people.

And even if it were live, as Eric Dubay pointed out in his video, trick angles are a thing.
I.e. you don't give a shit about reality or the truth or anything like that.
You have your delusional fantasy that you will desperately cling to like your depends upon it and look for whatever excuse you can to reject it at all costs.

Do you notice anything? Because I do! I notice that the line of vanishing point made does not match up to that curve made in the picture.
Do you mean the vanishing point doesn't match the horizon, like we know it doesn't.

When we look at a bridge picture of lake pontchartrain, like so
You mean at a drastically different angle to hide the curve?
So no, it doesn't show any doctoring at all.

It should read "If we made a real picture, it should intersect with the vanishing point, as all real pictures conform to that."
No, it shouldn't, because that is pure BS, with countless examples not conforming to that.
The best you get is low altitude shots and minimal zoom to minimise the angular separation between the vanishing point and the horizon makes it too difficult to see that they are different.
But that is you intentionally hiding from the truth.

This has all been explained to you before, but like the lying POS you are, you ignore it.

@dataidiot, why does the bridge appear straight  when it should arc with the curve of the earth?????
Hoppyidiot, as explained repeatedly, a small enough section of a large enough curve will appear indistinguishable from a straight line.
So how about instead of spouting completely useless garbage like you have done, you instead provide the math telling us exactly how much it should appear to have curved. Ideally in units of px, given we have the photo.
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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #954 on: April 18, 2025, 08:03:45 PM »
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Bulma.  Flat earth has always been smoke and mirrors.

Flat Earth is the natural result of looking at the earth and sky without any bias.



This on the other hand is smoke and mirrors.

You think I didn't notice that the wood in the middle of the board creates artificial curve?
Or that you've been distorting pictures to make a flat beach horizon appear to "really" be curved?
Or that you routinely use a basketball or silo to claim these are "really" flat?
Or that Jack Black is trying to zoom in on a picture to show me where there is supposedly curve that I haven't seen?
Or angled shots to convince me that things that look flat aren't flat? Or that you're conflating the words "straight" and "flat"?
Or that your supposed elevation shift is actually using a spherize effect?

But no, it's obvious Flat Earth that does the smoke and mirror tricks. (That was sarcasm)

Fucking quit the scams, dude. Not buying any of it.
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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #955 on: April 18, 2025, 11:11:59 PM »




Bulma.  Flat earth has always been smoke and mirrors.  Especially that you have to purposely pick pictures that have angles that hide curvature and make false assurances they should show curvature.  Just shows you flat earthers like you have no honour.  All to avoid the real issues the visible dimensions of the sun do not change to invoke vanishing point in the context of the setting sun, the FE model totally fails on modeling / predicting the actual path of the sun, and you run away from any meaningful discussions concerning the dip of the horizon is a measurable dimension of the earth.  Dip of the horizon is accurately calculated using earth’s heliocentric dimensions.

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Let’s put it this way.  Based on that building along the bridge.  Equally dived the bridge in the picture with a perpendicular line to the length of road.  Each half of the bridge segment might be four miles long?  And that’s probably being generous posting the picture shows eight miles length of bridge.  That means about a 32 inch drop off on each end.  Now, try marking a 32 inch length in height on the building standing above the water in any meaningful way.  32 inches in height is really at a resolution limit for the picture.  (Added.  Bonus points if you can also mark 32 inches on the building on the left side of the picture in a meaningful way.)

If you think that is BS.  Crop zoom a car on the bridge and show there is any indication the cars are 4 foot tall.


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I went to search the distance between the buildings if the picture is the Lake Pontchartrain Causeway.

This is what Bulma’s buddy AI spit out





So..  lucky if the picture even shows three miles of bridge / roadway.  Divide the visible length of the road way in half.  Might be a drop of 10 inches on each end?  In a picture made to lose that in a 2D picture where depth away from the viewer is meaningless.  If you don’t think so, ready to discus the placing of 3D reality and a depth of field going away from the viewer onto a 2D photo. 
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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #956 on: April 18, 2025, 11:15:28 PM »

You think I didn't notice that the

That you haven’t addressed the failures of flat earth?



Now explain how stupidly invoking vanishing point to explain a sunset where the sun stays a consistent dimension throughout the day killing flat earth.


You need to realize the flat earth model totally fails to predict the path of the sun where the sun needs to travel north / south over areas of the world like Japan, killing flat earth.

Flat earth is useless to me.  Where flat earth can’t even accurately predict the path of the sun.

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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #957 on: April 18, 2025, 11:23:14 PM »

Fucking quit the scams, dude. Not buying any of it.

Funny.  It’s not about you buying anything.  It’s how flat earth fails.  Like how flat earth fails to predict comets.



Where the heliocentric model is useful at making accurate predictions.

At least I invest in documenting the world around me.  You just regurgitate Eric propaganda. 


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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #958 on: April 19, 2025, 05:55:47 AM »
No, it's about reprogramming me for your cult.

It always has been.

Comets are about patterns in the heavens. Astronomy.
It has absolutely nothing to do with the shape of the Earth.

But while we're on that subject, several comets or meteors were predicted that never came. And there's a list of meteors that were not predicted until after they happened, were predicted a week before, and were predicted a year before. Only four made the cut of over a year (and one of these is out, because it is predicted for a year so far ahead that none of us living today can verify it). And after that, only one was known more than a week ahead of time. Quite a few were red (completely undetected until after they hit).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_asteroid_close_approaches_to_Earth
Of those, reading up on Apophis (one of the blue ones predicted more than a year), it says this.
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99942 Apophis (provisional designation 2004 MN4) is a near-Earth asteroid and a potentially hazardous object, 450 metres (1,480 ft) by 170 metres (560 ft) in size,[3] that caused a brief period of concern in December 2004 when initial observations indicated a probability of 0.027 (2.7%) that it would hit Earth on Friday, April 13, 2029. Additional observations provided improved predictions that eliminated the possibility of an impact on Earth in 2029.
So basically there was a big scare about a 2% chance of hitting, then they're like "Oh, nope, not gonna hit."
(153814) 2001 WN5 on potentially hazardous list. Then removed.
So basically of the four predicted on this list, one is so far ahead that it might as well be fortunetelling, two are "false alarm, guys", and one might hit maybe.

 Scientists also admit that they can't accurately predict meteor showers.
https://phys.org/news/2025-04-meteor-showers-unpredictable.html

So ummm, yeah, RE or FE, it doesn't matter. We don't know shit about actually predicting meteors, comets, or anything else, unless it has a timed pattern. Then the time patterns and not the shape of the Earth are what we use.

Meanwhile, you use plate tectonics models that depend on RE depictions of Earth. Yet they can't predict a single earthquake!
https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/can-you-predict-earthquakes
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Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth
« Reply #959 on: April 19, 2025, 06:20:40 AM »
No, it's about reprogramming me for your cult.



How’s noticing flat earth totally fails to accurately predict the path of the sun hour by hour?

Where the visible parts of the sun do not change dimensions to even invoke vanishing point.

Comets are about patterns in the heavens.


New comets are discovered over time.

Not all comets survive the trip around the sun.

Something the flat earth model fails to explain.

Where flat earth doesn’t explain how comets moved.  For the record, flat earth doesn’t explain without magic how the sun provides heat and light to the earth.  And in the terms of FE the sun providing heat and light stays magically in the air.


No, it's about reprogramming me for your cult.
But while we're on that subject, several comets

Like they didn’t get close enough to be illuminated by the sun, or the didn’t survive the trip around the sun.

Where in the FE model there shouldn’t be comets at all because of the firmament.

I be happy to discus any examples you can actually cite instead of you making a vague reference to a link with your false assurances.  Where Bulma, you have repeatedly caught in right out lies.

False assurances of phots almost 100 miles from Chicago.  Claiming a pier not even 1000 foot long is a bridge with false claims it goes to the horizon.

Bulma, you sadly have no honour and parrot FE lies. 

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