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TheEngineer

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« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2007, 06:27:57 PM »
Only if you held it at its center of mass.  Otherwise, you are inducing a torque about that point, which will cause the pen to rotate, in either model.
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« Reply #31 on: February 05, 2007, 06:33:14 PM »
alright... why does it take less effort to hold the pen vertically, than horizontally?
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very thing's a conspiracy, every thing's kept hidden from you... waiting to be uncovered.
Your so retarted, even if you went to space and saw the earth was round, you would completely deny it.
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« Reply #32 on: February 05, 2007, 06:35:26 PM »
The center of mass. If you are holding it at its end, you must supply a torque to offset the one that is created because the pen wants to rotate about it's center of mass.
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« Reply #33 on: February 05, 2007, 06:38:39 PM »
*head explodes*
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very thing's a conspiracy, every thing's kept hidden from you... waiting to be uncovered.
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« Reply #34 on: February 05, 2007, 06:58:46 PM »
gravity is an illusion, created by God cause he's in on the conspriracy as well.
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« Reply #35 on: February 05, 2007, 07:06:41 PM »
Hey! Leave God out of this! He only created the universe n' all!
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very thing's a conspiracy, every thing's kept hidden from you... waiting to be uncovered.
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« Reply #36 on: February 05, 2007, 07:46:04 PM »
Gravity is an 'illusion' - it's actually acceleration.
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« Reply #37 on: February 05, 2007, 07:47:40 PM »
Only when applied to earth.
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« Reply #38 on: February 05, 2007, 07:48:36 PM »
Gravity=acceleration.
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« Reply #39 on: February 05, 2007, 08:23:20 PM »
My mistake.
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« Reply #40 on: February 12, 2007, 10:28:31 PM »
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Gravity is an 'illusion' - it's actually acceleration.


This is so unbelievably silly.  Please explain CMB data.
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« Reply #41 on: February 12, 2007, 10:56:53 PM »
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This is so unbelievably silly.  Please explain CMB data.


What about it?
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« Reply #42 on: February 12, 2007, 11:18:20 PM »
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This is so unbelievably silly.  Please explain CMB data.


What about it?


You believe that the flat earth model has greater predicative power than a sperical earth, so please tell me how the flat earth model better predicts the data.

While you're at it, why don't you do the same for all observable quantities from the sun.

I have two threads devoted to these topics that no FE has touched.

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9068&start=30
and the other is approved on page 4 of RE winning threads
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« Reply #43 on: February 13, 2007, 04:19:24 AM »
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What sort of elaboration do you want? You asked me if portions of the FE accelerate through space by themselves, and I answered no. Since you didn't tell me why you were asking me this I felt no explanation was necessary.


Because like all FE reasoning, there is no explanation for it
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...population who believe in globularism solely on the basis of having been told so?
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« Reply #44 on: February 13, 2007, 04:24:55 AM »
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The center of mass. If you are holding it at its end, you must supply a torque to offset the one that is created because the pen wants to rotate about it's center of mass.


Thats actually wrong, because when u hold the end of the pen, it will rotate around the stationary point (the point being held) no its centre of mass. The part of the pen which is not supported will accelerate downwards, whilst the stationary point, which is held there through the work being done by the human hand, remains stationary.
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« Reply #45 on: February 13, 2007, 07:43:12 AM »
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Thats actually wrong, because when u hold the end of the pen, it will rotate around the stationary point (the point being held) no its centre of mass. The part of the pen which is not supported will accelerate downwards, whilst the stationary point, which is held there through the work being done by the human hand, remains stationary.

Forces acting through the axis of rotation (the point being held) cannot cause a torque.
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« Reply #46 on: February 13, 2007, 08:05:28 AM »
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Thats actually wrong, because when u hold the end of the pen, it will rotate around the stationary point (the point being held) no its centre of mass. The part of the pen which is not supported will accelerate downwards, whilst the stationary point, which is held there through the work being done by the human hand, remains stationary.

Forces acting through the axis of rotation (the point being held) cannot cause a torque.


I didn't say that, i said that your example doesn't rotate around its centre of mass. An unobstructed falling object will rotate around its centre of mass, but not something like a pen being held in place
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...population who believe in globularism solely on the basis of having been told so?
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il0vepez

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« Reply #47 on: February 13, 2007, 12:23:27 PM »
Don't be fooled by TheEngineer.  The only things he Engineers are tangents that have little or nothing to do with the original question or point.
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« Reply #48 on: February 13, 2007, 01:59:35 PM »
Good lord, TheEngineer said "wants" to rotate about its center of mass.  Discussion over.  

You guys are arguing about holding a pen!   :roll:
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« Reply #49 on: February 13, 2007, 03:53:00 PM »
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Only if you held it at its center of mass.  Otherwise, you are inducing a torque about that point, which will cause the pen to rotate, in either model.


Sorry...but torque doesnt just happen. An externation force needs to be applied to it.
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« Reply #50 on: February 13, 2007, 03:59:37 PM »
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Sorry...but torque doesnt just happen. An externation force needs to be applied to it.


Potential energy.  :roll:
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« Reply #51 on: February 13, 2007, 04:16:44 PM »
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Sorry...but torque doesnt just happen. An externation force needs to be applied to it.


Potential energy.  :roll:


from gravity?

 :lol:
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« Reply #52 on: February 13, 2007, 05:00:35 PM »
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Only if you held it at its center of mass.  Otherwise, you are inducing a torque about that point, which will cause the pen to rotate, in either model.


Sorry...but torque doesnt just happen. An externation force needs to be applied to it.

Who said the was no force?
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« Reply #53 on: February 13, 2007, 06:23:27 PM »
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Gravity is an 'illusion' - it's actually acceleration.


This is so unbelievably silly.  

 :roll:
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« Reply #54 on: February 13, 2007, 09:41:49 PM »
I just posted an article on another thread.  It rules out your "gravity" from accleration to 23sigma.

google "expanding confusion"

So, either every observation ever has been a statistical impossibility, or you're wrong.
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« Reply #55 on: February 13, 2007, 09:46:33 PM »
Wrong about what, exactly?  That the force we feel as gravity is actually acceleration?  That's funny, as Einstein doesn't seem to think I'm wrong.
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« Reply #56 on: February 13, 2007, 10:02:57 PM »
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Wrong about what, exactly?  That the force we feel as gravity is actually acceleration?  That's funny, as Einstein doesn't seem to think I'm wrong.


I'm pretty sure Einstein never talked to you.  Also, this guy named Hubble showed your theory to be incorrect in 1929, long before you started misusing special relativity.  And, he corrected Einstein's math, which Einstein deliberately fudged because of his personal beliefs blinded him to the obvious reality.  Einstein was notorious for this.  He actually believed he knew what God thought.  Pretty crazy, really.

And yes, the force we feel known as gravity is gravity, not acceleration.  I will quote the article, since youre too lazy to read it, "We analyze apparent magnitudes of supernovae and observationally rule out the special relativistic Dopple interpretation of cosmological redshifts at a confidence level of 23sigma."
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« Reply #57 on: February 13, 2007, 10:27:15 PM »
You guys realize the flat-earth isn't accelerating? right? It would however, have a constant velocity of 9.81m/s^2 in the FE model. Acceleration implies we're speeding up all the time, which of course it not true.
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« Reply #58 on: February 13, 2007, 10:30:20 PM »
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You guys realize the flat-earth isn't accelerating? right? It would however, have a constant velocity of 9.81m/s^2 in the FE model. Acceleration implies we're speeding up all the time, which of course it not true.

 :lol:
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« Reply #59 on: February 13, 2007, 10:45:06 PM »
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You guys realize the flat-earth isn't accelerating? right? It would however, have a constant velocity of 9.81m/s^2 in the FE model. Acceleration implies we're speeding up all the time, which of course it not true.


Let me break it down.

From a FE point of view:

Universal Gravitation = False
Special Relativity = True
General Relativity = Flase
Inflationary Universe = True

This may save you some confusion.  SOME confusion...
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