The Air

If I read this forum correctly, the following is proposed to be true:

1) The earth is flat.

2) There is no such force as gravity.

3) The effects of gravity are due to the Earth accelerating constantly upwards at a rate of 9.81 m/s^2

4) The reason the oceans do not drain out is that there is an ice wall preventing them from doing so.

5) The sun, moon, planets and stars are very close to the Earth compared to the Round Earth model of the universe.

6) There are no satellites: instead, there are high-flying balloons and other such devices allowing us to communicate


This last point got my imagination going: I can't believe I didn't think of this when I heard of people falling off the ice wall.

If we are constantly accelerating upward, where does the air come from and go to?

There are only two possible answers: the all-air theory and the no-air theory.

1) The space we are traveling through is filled with air.  There is no such thing as empty space.

If this is the case, why does the air get thinner at higher altitudes?  Why does matter less dense than air rise?  If the air is so dirty that we can't see from San Fransisco to Boston on a clear day (or a dark night), why can we see the moon, sun and stars, which are about the same distance?  Why don't balloons rise forever?

2) The space we're traveling through is empty.  The air is kept in by the Ice Wall or an Ice Dome or an Ice Horizon.

If this is the case, why doesn't the sun (which is much closer to the dome than to the earth) melt through the ice dome?  If it's just a wall, why doesn't the matter get sucked out into the vacuum?  Why is there any air at all above the wall?  Why don't disturbances in the air carry the rest of the air over the edge?

Since airplanes fly routinely at 30,000+ feet, the wall at the edge must be at least that high (and thus should be visible to anyone who sail or fly within or near to the Antarctic circle).  However, this still leaves the question: why isn't the air sucked out by the vacuum?  Why don't

I'd like to hear some well-thought-out answers, since I went through the trouble of coming up with a well-though-out critique.

And please, no flaming, or one-sentence answers, or name-calling or anything other than well-thought-out debating.  Let's please keep this civil.

2) The space we're traveling through is empty. The air is kept in by the Ice Wall or an Ice Dome or an Ice Horizon.

This is not commonly accepted in FE.

Quote from: "mantaray007"

2) The space we're traveling through is empty. The air is kept in by the Ice Wall or an Ice Dome or an Ice Horizon.

This is not commonly accepted in FE.

First of all, that's a one-sentence reply.

Secondly, you didn't understand what I was trying to say.  I was stating that either the space the earth is traveling through is empty, in which case the questions under point #2 had to be answered, or the space the earth is traveling through is full of air, in which case the questions under point #1 (ie, why does the air get thinner with increasing altitude?) have to be answered.  Since you say that #2 is not an accepted theory in FE, how do you answer the concerns of Theory #1?

Edit:
Thirdly, if space isn't empty, and thus the air in it is being heated by the sun, why is the ice wall being frozen by exposure to space, as you state here?:
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=109435#109435

Let me ask you one thing before this gets deep: Did you read the FAQ and do a search for the answers to these questions?

Yes, I read the FAQ.  Couldn't find any satisfactory answers to these questions, though.  Closest I found was a question someone asked about how the Ice Wall held in the atmosphere if it was only 150 feet high, but that was the last post in the thread.

I suggest to just keep looking. Sometimes threads merge to different topics, so you actually need to read each one.

In the classic Rowbotham model, earth exists as a flat plane that extends forever in every direction. It is not possible for the atmosphere to escape or for a person to fall off the edge of the earth.

In that case, the image shows a finite amount of liquid water under an infinite amount of atmosphere.  Why wouldn't the water all evaporate?  It seems to me that under that model, either the air should be constantly so humid that no water can ever evaporate, or all of the water should end up at the edges of the earth.
In the round earth theory, that's impossible, because of the amount of sunlight the poles get compared to their relative size: summer is just long enough to keep the size of the poles relatively stable.  But with an infinitely large earth, with an infinitely large atmosphere and with all of the portions outside of a certain distance from the ice wall in a infinite winter, the water should all evaporate into the atmosphere, fall as snow in the south region, and then become permafrost.  Why do we still have oceans?

In that case, the image shows a finite amount of liquid water under an infinite amount of atmosphere.  Why wouldn't the water all evaporate?  It seems to me that under that model, either the air should be constantly so humid that no water can ever evaporate, or all of the water should end up at the edges of the earth.
In the round earth theory, that's impossible, because of the amount of sunlight the poles get compared to their relative size: summer is just long enough to keep the size of the poles relatively stable.  But with an infinitely large earth, with an infinitely large atmosphere and with all of the portions outside of a certain distance from the ice wall in a infinite winter, the water should all evaporate into the atmosphere, fall as snow in the south region, and then become permafrost.  Why do we still have oceans?

he forogot to mention that this is not hte most commonly accepted theory.

Quote from: "manta_ray007"

In that case, the image shows a finite amount of liquid water under an infinite amount of atmosphere.  Why wouldn't the water all evaporate?  It seems to me that under that model, either the air should be constantly so humid that no water can ever evaporate, or all of the water should end up at the edges of the earth.
In the round earth theory, that's impossible, because of the amount of sunlight the poles get compared to their relative size: summer is just long enough to keep the size of the poles relatively stable.  But with an infinitely large earth, with an infinitely large atmosphere and with all of the portions outside of a certain distance from the ice wall in a infinite winter, the water should all evaporate into the atmosphere, fall as snow in the south region, and then become permafrost.  Why do we still have oceans?

he forogot to mention that this is not hte most commonly accepted theory.

That may be the case, but it actually seemed to address all of the issues I had raised in my first post...  So, what, may I ask, is the most commonly accepted theory?

I dont think you read the FAQ properly; if you dont get it.

Ok. The earth looks kind of like

but instead; there is a giant ice wall going around the edges. Outside of the ice wall is space. The earth looks like a giant cylinder; that is accelerating upwards (dark matter is causing this); causing the effect commonly known as "gravity"

If you want it better explained; or have any other questions; then read the FAQ again; or just ask them.

I dont think you read the FAQ properly; if you dont get it.

Ok. The earth looks kind of like

but instead; there is a giant ice wall going around the edges. Outside of the ice wall is space. The earth looks like a giant cylinder; that is accelerating upwards (dark matter is causing this); causing the effect commonly known as "gravity"

If you want it better explained; or have any other questions; then read the FAQ again; or just ask them.

You didn't read my first post properly.

You say that all around the planet is space.  Fine.

There are only two possible answers: the all-air theory and the no-air theory.

[Skipping first scenario as it's not relevant]

2) The space we're traveling through is empty. The air is kept in by the Ice Wall or an Ice Dome or an Ice Horizon.

If this is the case, why doesn't the sun (which is much closer to the dome than to the earth) melt through the ice dome? If it's just a wall, why doesn't the matter get sucked out into the vacuum? Why is there any air at all above the wall? Why don't disturbances in the air carry the rest of the air over the edge?

Since airplanes fly routinely at 30,000+ feet, the wall at the edge must be at least that high (and thus should be visible to anyone who sail or fly within or near to the Antarctic circle). However, this still leaves the question: why isn't the air sucked out by the vacuum?

If you read the FAQ:
the sun is a spotlight. If it were the right kind (who is to say it isnt) then it wouldnt melt any ice dome

Also; you are assuming space is a vacume.

If you read the FAQ:
the sun is a spotlight. If it were the right kind (who is to say it isnt) then it wouldnt melt any ice dome

Also; you are assuming space is a vacume.

First, the FAQ says that the sun creates hot light which heats the earth.  If it can heat the earth and melt snow during the summer, it can melt a hole in an ice dome large enough for air to escape through if there's a vacuum on the other side.  Not to mention we'd see the crystallization in how it would light the sky.

Second, I'm not assuming space is a vacuum.  That is the definition of space.  If you mean that outside of the earth is empty air, say "open air" and not "space."

Third, if you had read my first post correctly, you would see that I had even gone so far as to expand the definition of space to include open air, and that was point number one which I omitted from the quote in my previous post because I heard "space" and thought of "vacuum"... here is the whole quote:

If we are constantly accelerating upward, where does the air come from and go to?

There are only two possible answers: the all-air theory and the no-air theory.

1) The space we are traveling through is filled with air. There is no such thing as empty space.

If this is the case, why does the air get thinner at higher altitudes? Why does matter less dense than air rise? If the air is so dirty that we can't see from San Fransisco to Boston on a clear day (or a dark night), why can we see the moon, sun and stars, which are about the same distance? Why don't balloons rise forever?

2) The space we're traveling through is empty. The air is kept in by the Ice Wall or an Ice Dome or an Ice Horizon.

If this is the case, why doesn't the sun (which is much closer to the dome than to the earth) melt through the ice dome? If it's just a wall, why doesn't the matter get sucked out into the vacuum? Why is there any air at all above the wall? Why don't disturbances in the air carry the rest of the air over the edge?

Since airplanes fly routinely at 30,000+ feet, the wall at the edge must be at least that high (and thus should be visible to anyone who sail or fly within or near to the Antarctic circle). However, this still leaves the question: why isn't the air sucked out by the vacuum?

My entire first post is not quoted there.  please go back and read it all.

Quote from: "The_Earth_Does_Not_Exist"

If you read the FAQ:
the sun is a spotlight. If it were the right kind (who is to say it isnt) then it wouldnt melt any ice dome

Also; you are assuming space is a vacume.

That's all these guys say. Read the FAQ, Read the FAQ, Read the FAQ. pussies.

And please, no flaming, or one-sentence answers, or name-calling or anything other than well-thought-out debating. Let's please keep this civil.

Please don't post in this thread if you are unwilling to be civil and debate intellectually.

In the classic Rowbotham model, earth exists as a flat plane that extends forever in every direction. It is not possible for the atmosphere to escape or for a person to fall off the edge of the earth.

How can the Earth accelerate and be infinite?  This would require an infinite amount of work, continuously.  Where does this infinite amount of work come from?