War

In case you were confused as to what's **really** going on.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/convoy-picks-cars-anti-ukraine-talking-points-ahead-washington-arrival-rcna18716

https://twitter.com/PattyArquette/status/1499859884371689474?s=20&t=unsaRcX6jgE0ZApjH-HHDw

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Kick Russia out of NATO

Great idea, Patricia!

Smart girl that Patricia.. 

FAUCI! *shakes fist

FAUCI! *shakes fist

Damn that Faucii, he's everywhere at once. 

Seen on twittler,  "Russia has now blocked twitter…and just like that, half the GOP has no more talking points."

Actually there has been a sharp reduction in trolls since.  Also Facebook is now shut down in Russia.

WTF?

https://twitter.com/mkt_sentiment/status/1499585220001304576

Why are teachers in Kentucky the second largest shareholder in Russia's largest bank?

WTF?

https://twitter.com/mkt_sentiment/status/1499585220001304576

Why are teachers in Kentucky the second largest shareholder in Russia's largest bank?

 


Trump?

WTF?

https://twitter.com/mkt_sentiment/status/1499585220001304576

Why are teachers in Kentucky the second largest shareholder in Russia's largest bank?

Were.
They sold it all a day before the invasion.

Also, two other groups in Kentucky also had big shares in Russian stuff.
And oh hey... Mitch McConnel is the senate rep for Kentucky...

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 03, 2022, 09:38:57 AM

What? Putin is definitely lying according to you when he says he doesn't want to take all of Ukraine. Russian state media are also definitely lying according to you since they say the same thing. I don't know why you think Putin just tells everything he is planning to do to Russian state media ahead of time, this would be a huge liability, intel would be leaked all the time. And what you cited doesn't even say he wants to annex Ukraine:

Putin doesn't need to leak it someone inside the FSB is feeding intel to the US.  And yes Putin would like to annex all of Ukraine, and re-install Yanakovich (sp?).

So is he planning to annex Ukraine or re install Yanukovych? These are not the same thing.

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 03, 2022, 09:38:57 AM

Quote from: boydster on March 03, 2022, 09:21:42 AM

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-invasion-putin-wants-all-of-ukraine-and-worse-is-to-come-in-conflict-warns-macron-12556609

According to Russian state media, and according to Putin (per Macron), Putin wants to take all of Ukraine. So either Russian state media (which is controlled by Putin), Macron, and Putin himself are lying, or you are wrong.

What? Putin is definitely lying according to you when he says he doesn't want to take all of Ukraine. Russian state media are also definitely lying according to you since they say the same thing. I don't know why you think Putin just tells everything he is planning to do to Russian state media ahead of time, this would be a huge liability, intel would be leaked all the time. And what you cited doesn't even say he wants to annex Ukraine:

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According to the official, Mr Macron told the Russian leader that he was making a "major mistake" in Ukraine, adding: "You are lying to yourself".
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Mr Putin told Mr Macron that the invasion will continue "until the end" unless negotiations meet his terms.

These, Mr Putin said, must centre on the "neutralisation and disarmament of Ukraine" - with the Russian president saying he would attain the goal by military means, if not by political and diplomatic means.

This clearly isn't saying he wants to annex it. What he'll actually do is a different story but he's not saying that he wants to annex Ukraine here.

Also this isn't even Macron saying these things, it's an official of Macron who apparently heard them talk, the headline is just wrong.

Whatever you say. There's really no reason state media should have a story prewritten saying Ukraine had been made a part of Russia if Putin didn't ask to have that story ready to go. I'm not sure why you are trying so hard to make a counterpoint that you totally don't think he really wants to do that.

Putin lying to the west about his intentions in order to try and save face to look less like he's acting like a warmongering dictator is just a normal day for him.

As you said before, news outlets everywhere have pre written stories for every contingency. Does Putin also tell them to write these stories? I don't understand why you think Russian state media is informed by Putin on his secret plans before they materialize.

Quote from: Rayzor on March 03, 2022, 04:26:13 PM

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 03, 2022, 09:38:57 AM

What? Putin is definitely lying according to you when he says he doesn't want to take all of Ukraine. Russian state media are also definitely lying according to you since they say the same thing. I don't know why you think Putin just tells everything he is planning to do to Russian state media ahead of time, this would be a huge liability, intel would be leaked all the time. And what you cited doesn't even say he wants to annex Ukraine:

Putin doesn't need to leak it someone inside the FSB is feeding intel to the US.  And yes Putin would like to annex all of Ukraine, and re-install Yanakovich (sp?).

So is he planning to annex Ukraine or re install Yanukovych? These are not the same thing.

Where else would he re-install Yanukovych?

Kremlin toilet attendant?

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 05, 2022, 02:14:36 AM

Quote from: Rayzor on March 03, 2022, 04:26:13 PM

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 03, 2022, 09:38:57 AM

What? Putin is definitely lying according to you when he says he doesn't want to take all of Ukraine. Russian state media are also definitely lying according to you since they say the same thing. I don't know why you think Putin just tells everything he is planning to do to Russian state media ahead of time, this would be a huge liability, intel would be leaked all the time. And what you cited doesn't even say he wants to annex Ukraine:

Putin doesn't need to leak it someone inside the FSB is feeding intel to the US.  And yes Putin would like to annex all of Ukraine, and re-install Yanakovich (sp?).

So is he planning to annex Ukraine or re install Yanukovych? These are not the same thing.

Where else would he re-install Yanukovych?

Kremlin toilet attendant?

Why would he need to reinstall Yanukovych if he annexed it? What would he reinstall him as? Can't reinstall someone as president of a country that doesn't exist any more.

Why would he need to reinstall Yanukovych if he annexed it? What would he reinstall him as? Can't reinstall someone as president of a country that doesn't exist any more.

Ok, you obviously missed this...

Russian president Vladimir Putin is preparing to place former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych back in power if his forces succeed in taking Kyiv and removing the country's current democratically elected leadership, a Ukrainian news site has reported.

Ukrayinska Pravda, an independent online publication, cited a Ukrainian intelligence official as saying that Yanukovych, who has been living in exile in Russia since fleeing Ukraine in 2014, is currently in Belarus, waiting for Russian troops to take Kyiv and Putin to declare him the country's new president.

https://fortune.com/2022/03/02/viktor-yanukovych-yanukovich-putin-put-back-in-power-ukraine-russia/

The point pez is making is that if you annex it them it becomes part of Russia and the president will be Putin, you don't need Yanukovych.


Anyway, the idea of putting Yanukovych back in charge is ludicrous.  He doesn't even have the respect of the Donbas separatists after he just ran away like a little bitch to Moscow.

Ceasefire to evacuate civilians broken within hours.  Can Putin just fucking die on the shitter please?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60629851

The point pez is making is that if you annex it them it becomes part of Russia and the president will be Putin, you don't need Yanukovych.

Unless he wants to make Yanukovych the regional governor.

Anyway, the idea of putting Yanukovych back in charge is ludicrous.  He doesn't even have the respect of the Donbas separatists after he just ran away like a little bitch to Moscow.

How is that relevant?

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on March 05, 2022, 05:35:25 AM

The point pez is making is that if you annex it them it becomes part of Russia and the president will be Putin, you don't need Yanukovych.

Unless he wants to make Yanukovych the regional governor.

That is not re-install then.

Anyway, the idea of putting Yanukovych back in charge is ludicrous.  He doesn't even have the respect of the Donbas separatists after he just ran away like a little bitch to Moscow.

How is that relevant?
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How is it not?

As you said before, news outlets everywhere have pre written stories for every contingency.

Right. And in state run media, the head of state decides what they want the "We Won!" story to read like, just like they decide how to spin some version of the "We lost *sadface*" story into whatever.

I don't understand why you think Russian state media is informed by Putin on his secret plans before they materialize.

What do you mean informed about secret plans? No one thinks it's really a secret that Putin wants to reclaim Ukraine. Of course he'd want state media to have a story ready to go stating how great and powerful he is, what an awesome victory it was, how great it is to now formally bring Ukraine back into the fold as a new part of the Russian Federation, and now the west will fall. The fact that you think this is somehow a far-fetched possibility is just wild to me.

https://twitter.com/GeorgeTakei/status/1499883863555858444?s=20&t=RqFaeDjwAFV46vgINFIotw

Americans: We can endure higher prices for food and gas if it means putting the screws to Putin. Consider it a patriotic donation in the fight for freedom over tyranny.

Most everyone on the left agrees (the ones on twitter, idk about irl), they say things like - he survived an internment camp, he can say what he wants, or just "I agree". People on the right are actually talking about poor people not being able to afford higher food and gas prices. It is something to behold!

Personally, I think multimillionaires, no matter how humble their beginnings were, shouldn't expect normal people to feel patriotic when they don't have enough money to buy gas and groceries for the week.

Biden is against this, mostly because the GOP is constantly hammering him on gas prices.

I'm of the opinion that a fast and brutal conflict is better than a limited drawn out one.  This also applies to economic wars so I'm okay with it.  Then again I drive electric so I'm not all that affected by this.

https://www.ft.com/content/2f1f0944-ceab-4042-93bd-63c2d863a75f

Zelensky opened the call with a 20-minute plea for more US support. But at one point during his emotional presentation, he paused to ask one of the American lawmakers to mute themselves.

“Senator Rick Scott, please mute your mic,” said the Ukrainian leader who was dressed in his customary T-shirt, according to one person on the call.

Florida man!

Srsly, I do not understand how this criminal was ever elected to office, even in Florida.

https://twitter.com/GeorgeTakei/status/1499883863555858444?s=20&t=RqFaeDjwAFV46vgINFIotw

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Americans: We can endure higher prices for food and gas if it means putting the screws to Putin. Consider it a patriotic donation in the fight for freedom over tyranny.

Most everyone on the left agrees (the ones on twitter, idk about irl), they say things like - he survived an internment camp, he can say what he wants, or just "I agree". People on the right are actually talking about poor people not being able to afford higher food and gas prices. It is something to behold!

Personally, I think multimillionaires, no matter how humble their beginnings were, shouldn't expect normal people to feel patriotic when they don't have enough money to buy gas and groceries for the week.

Know what sucks?
The oil price isn't controlled by the conflict but by people who buy it. 
Oil could be $30/bbl today if the investors who buy it decided as such.
Instead they assume a shortage and buy high.

Also, yes, ironic but also no considering the parties are literally just opposites of eachother.  One hates what the other likes.  Thats their defining traits.

The point pez is making is that if you annex it them it becomes part of Russia and the president will be Putin, you don't need Yanukovych.

Ok, Pedantic Pez strikes again,  while completely missing the point.

Cue Bullwinkle saying  "We're all gonna die!"

Anybody else notice the strange lack of trolls and bots on other platforms?

I don't really go to other platforms much. D1 isn't around. I'm kind of curious about his opinion on this matter.

I don't really go to other platforms much. D1 isn't around. I'm kind of curious about his opinion on this matter.

Well, Zelensky is Jewish and Vlad is as fair skinned as they come and blonde. Trump who he is a big fan of seems to think Putin is a genius also

But if you really want to know what D1 would think, just check out what that Cucker Tarlson thinks. D1 has no mind of his own any more and just let's a talking head decide his opinions for him.

Well, Zelensky is Jewish

Yeah, on the other hand he is a nazi, so a mixed bag for D1.

But if you really want to know what D1 would think, just check out what that Cucker Tarlson

Well, obs.

Anybody else notice the strange lack of trolls and bots on other platforms?

I have noticed a decrease in Russian spambots here, but now and then I'll bam one.

Yesterday I saw the Facebook's top 10 post where for one day people on Facebook were clicking on links other than Ben Shapiro or Dan Bongino, but the next day it was back to normal. People seemed to think the change was due to Russia banning Facebook, but it was probably just because people were more interested in the war that day. https://twitter.com/FacebooksTop10

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 05, 2022, 02:19:15 AM

As you said before, news outlets everywhere have pre written stories for every contingency.

Right. And in state run media, the head of state decides what they want the "We Won!" story to read like, just like they decide how to spin some version of the "We lost *sadface*" story into whatever.

Do you know what every type of "we won" story they had looked like? Also no, that's not how state media works, at all. Putin doesn't personally oversee every story they run, obviously. Even the most controlled of state media come up with things they think their government will like and then run it through whomever is responsible for controlling them if it is very important. But there is no reason to think Putin just tells them every clandestine plan ahead of time.

What do you mean informed about secret plans? No one thinks it's really a secret that Putin wants to reclaim Ukraine.

Putin explicitly says he DOESN'T want to reclaim the whole of Ukraine. You are saying he does. Let's suppose he does. How is that not a secret? And if it's not a secret and everyone is so sure about it, then why does he say otherwise? Wouldn't it be pointless?