Why Won't God Heal Amputees

I said, now for the third time, that you are agnostic. That's it.

An agnostic usually thinks the odds are 50-50 or 60-40 or 70-30 but 99.98-0.02?

I didn't know that there were limitations to be agnostic. I thought the requirements were just undecided.

There's a difference between undecided and open-minded. Most of the atheists here are the latter, but not the former.

I'm definitely agnostic when it concerns life at the molecular structures, but I guess I am atheist as a whole seeing that is my only concern.

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I said, now for the third time, that you are agnostic. That's it.

An agnostic usually thinks the odds are 50-50 or 60-40 or 70-30 but 99.98-0.02?

Atheist: a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

Agnostic: a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.

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Atheists outright deny the existence of God. They do not leave the room for God in ANY sense.

An agnostic believes that it is unknown, and unknowable. That's what I am. I feel with my feeble-sentiments that there is most likely no God. I feel with the logical part of my mind that there is a 50/50 chance of all things in this universe, no matter what. From alternate realities, to giant flying space turds that burp cupcakes.

I can't know these things, I don't entertain them though. So why is this so difficult to understand? These things can co-exist. It's what makes us human. We can take on sometimes seemingly contradicting views.

Unfortunately, not all atheists- in fact very few atheists- conform to your cookie-cutter definition. We'll thank you to leave defining atheism up to the atheists.

And no, the probability of anything is not 50-50. As Knight said, imagine two choices:

1. The universe exists and God exists; God created energy, and God has always existed.

2. The universe exists and has always existed (though not necessarily exactly in its present form).

Guess what? We already know the universe exists. It's a much smaller logical jump to conclude that the universe has always existed. We don't know if God exists, so we not only have to assume his existence, we have to assume that he's always existed.

Unfortunately, not all atheists- in fact very few atheists- conform to your cookie-cutter definition. We'll thank you to leave defining atheism up to the atheists.

And no, the probability of anything is not 50-50. As Knight said, imagine two choices:

1. The universe exists and God exists; God created energy, and God has always existed.

2. The universe exists and has always existed (though not necessarily exactly in its present form).

Guess what? We already know the universe exists. It's a much smaller logical jump to conclude that the universe has always existed. We don't know if God exists, so we not only have to assume his existence, we have to assume that he's always existed.

 :roll: When you find me a better definition of atheism let me know. American Heritage will thank you. It's like me saying I'm antisocial because a bunch of morons think it means that they are not sociable. When in fact antisocial means someone who doesn't feel remorse for amoral, or incendiary actions.

Right now, I see you all as VERY light agnostics. Atheism is too hard a term, just as theists all believe in a higher power of some sort, all atheists believe in the opposite.

Agnostic encompasses what you're saying, atheism does not. You can call it whatever you want, but you're wrong. Until you can find me a definition that states what you state, and not your own misguided nonstandard definition, then I'll go with it.

Also, what the hell is up with you abusing the en dash improperly?

No, actually, you're wrong. Unless you want to tell the most prominent atheists of this century that they're not atheists, you are wrong. And you don't want to be looking in a dictionary, but an encyclopedia; a dictionary definition of a controversial word like 'atheism' is likely to be far too simplistic. Atheism is a lack of belief in God. It can also be a belief in the lack of God, but only the former is necessary. Those who hold only to the former may be described as 'weak atheists' or (as I prefer) 'critical atheists', but they are atheists nonetheless. As I said, open-minded and undecided are two very different things. I am open-minded, but I certainly am not undecided.

No, actually, you're wrong. Unless you want to tell the most prominent atheists of this century that they're not atheists, you are wrong. And you don't want to be looking in a dictionary, but an encyclopedia; a dictionary definition of a controversial word like 'atheism' is likely to be far too simplistic. Atheism is a lack of belief in God. It can also be a belief in the lack of God, but only the former is necessary. Those who hold only to the former may be described as 'weak atheists' or (as I prefer) 'critical atheists', but they are atheists nonetheless. As I said, open-minded and undecided are two very different things. I am open-minded, but I certainly am not undecided.

Here, I'm tired of arguing this with you. I'm atheist now. Let's cease this mindlessness.

Thank God.

Thank God.

That's a cliché if I ever saw one.

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No, actually, you're wrong. Unless you want to tell the most prominent atheists of this century that they're not atheists, you are wrong. And you don't want to be looking in a dictionary, but an encyclopedia; a dictionary definition of a controversial word like 'atheism' is likely to be far too simplistic. Atheism is a lack of belief in God. It can also be a belief in the lack of God, but only the former is necessary. Those who hold only to the former may be described as 'weak atheists' or (as I prefer) 'critical atheists', but they are atheists nonetheless. As I said, open-minded and undecided are two very different things. I am open-minded, but I certainly am not undecided.

Here, I'm tired of arguing this with you. I'm atheist now. Let's cease this mindlessness.

Huzzah.

I'm board of talking to you too - so tedious.  Maybe you'll grow up in a few years and understand.

Anyway today I got a new book - well an evangelical lent it to me.  He still has hope for my soul.  He doesn't realise that I'm an identical twin, and my brother got the soul.  Or maybe we got half a soul each, I'm not sure.

Anyway the book is called In Six Days: Why 50 scientists choose to believe in creation - it's essentially 50 creationist arguments from scientists.  My plan is to write an essay on each essay and give the essays, along with the book, back to the evangelical.  It will be good because I'll actually have to do a lot of research and writing - and I'm sure I'll learn a lot from it.  

Just thought people would be interested.

SPrinkZ, you are implying that atheism means you have to be 100% certain and closed to all other possibilities. Is the same true for theism? I don't think so, because a large proportion of theists doubt the existence of God from time to time. Many of them see the controversy and get into honest discussions about the possibility of their being mistaken. Are these people not theists?

If you have to be 100% sure in your belief in something in order not to be an agnostic, then essentially everyone is agnostic towards everything. At that point, it stops being a useful term.

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No, actually, you're wrong. Unless you want to tell the most prominent atheists of this century that they're not atheists, you are wrong. And you don't want to be looking in a dictionary, but an encyclopedia; a dictionary definition of a controversial word like 'atheism' is likely to be far too simplistic. Atheism is a lack of belief in God. It can also be a belief in the lack of God, but only the former is necessary. Those who hold only to the former may be described as 'weak atheists' or (as I prefer) 'critical atheists', but they are atheists nonetheless. As I said, open-minded and undecided are two very different things. I am open-minded, but I certainly am not undecided.

Here, I'm tired of arguing this with you. I'm atheist now. Let's cease this mindlessness.

Huzzah.

I'm board of talking to you too - so tedious.  Maybe you'll grow up in a few years and understand.

Anyway today I got a new book - well an evangelical lent it to me.  He still has hope for my soul.  He doesn't realise that I'm an identical twin, and my brother got the soul.  Or maybe we got half a soul each, I'm not sure.

Anyway the book is called In Six Days: Why 50 scientists choose to believe in creation - it's essentially 50 creationist arguments from scientists.  My plan is to write an essay on each essay and give the essays, along with the book, back to the evangelical.  It will be good because I'll actually have to do a lot of research and writing - and I'm sure I'll learn a lot from it.  

Just thought people would be interested.

Yes, this is very "boaring[sic]" isn't it?

I have an understanding, I just know that you don't. Growing up has nothing to do with a person's beliefs. You're too stupid to understand that though; because if you were intelligent, you'd know that a 10 year old atheist isn't smarter than me merely because they are atheistic.

Sadly, you seem to think that not only is your belief superior, but it makes you superior intellectually to others. This is the biggest failing I've ever seen in my life.

My plan is to write an essay on each essay and give the essays, along with the book, back to the evangelical.  It will be good because I'll actually have to do a lot of research and writing - and I'm sure I'll learn a lot from it.

Wow, that's so awesome beast! Great idea! I'd love to hear how that goes.

He doesn't realise that I'm an identical twin, and my brother got the soul.

Is your brother identically as sexy as you?

SPrinkZ, you are implying that atheism means you have to be 100% certain and closed to all other possibilities. Is the same true for theism? I don't think so, because a large proportion of theists doubt the existence of God from time to time. Many of them see the controversy and get into honest discussions about the possibility of their being mistaken. Are these people not theists?

If you have to be 100% sure in your belief in something in order not to be an agnostic, then essentially everyone is agnostic towards everything. At that point, it stops being a useful term.

Specify what type of atheist you are then. Weak, strong, etc.

If I hear atheist, I think vanilla atheist.

Specify what type of atheist you are then. Weak, strong, etc.

Not even the "strongest" atheists are 100%.

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Specify what type of atheist you are then. Weak, strong, etc.

Not even the "strongest" atheists are 100%.

Then explain.

Now I haven't been following you guys from the start, middle or end. But I think I'm with SPrinkZ on this one, if he's the one trying to convert everyone to agnosticism. =P

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No, actually, you're wrong. Unless you want to tell the most prominent atheists of this century that they're not atheists, you are wrong. And you don't want to be looking in a dictionary, but an encyclopedia; a dictionary definition of a controversial word like 'atheism' is likely to be far too simplistic. Atheism is a lack of belief in God. It can also be a belief in the lack of God, but only the former is necessary. Those who hold only to the former may be described as 'weak atheists' or (as I prefer) 'critical atheists', but they are atheists nonetheless. As I said, open-minded and undecided are two very different things. I am open-minded, but I certainly am not undecided.

Here, I'm tired of arguing this with you. I'm atheist now. Let's cease this mindlessness.

Huzzah.

I'm board of talking to you too - so tedious.  Maybe you'll grow up in a few years and understand.

Anyway today I got a new book - well an evangelical lent it to me.  He still has hope for my soul.  He doesn't realise that I'm an identical twin, and my brother got the soul.  Or maybe we got half a soul each, I'm not sure.

Anyway the book is called In Six Days: Why 50 scientists choose to believe in creation - it's essentially 50 creationist arguments from scientists.  My plan is to write an essay on each essay and give the essays, along with the book, back to the evangelical.  It will be good because I'll actually have to do a lot of research and writing - and I'm sure I'll learn a lot from it.  

Just thought people would be interested.

Yes, this is very "boaring[sic]" isn't it?

I have an understanding, I just know that you don't. Growing up has nothing to do with a person's beliefs. You're too stupid to understand that though; because if you were intelligent, you'd know that a 10 year old atheist isn't smarter than me merely because they are atheistic.

Sadly, you seem to think that not only is your belief superior, but it makes you superior intellectually to others. This is the biggest failing I've ever seen in my life.

You really are an idiot aren't you.  One day you'll see your self righteousness and arrogance for what it really is.  I wasn't saying that you'll grow up and change your beliefs, I was saying you'll grow up and work out how to socialise with people in a manner that doesn't lead to them attacking you.  At the moment you come across as a self obsessed and arrogant.  You claim to be humble, but you clearly are not humble at all.  You think you're the smartest person in the world and that you know everything about everything.  You'll deny this of course, but it's clear from the way you speak to people, you think you're better than everybody.  You need to learn a great deal more about people - it doesn't matter what your beliefs are.  There are mature and intelligent creationists out there, and immature and stupid atheists.  The relationship between intelligence and religious belief is a statistical trend, not a law, and nobody has claimed that it is.  If you are to remain on these forums and have people show any respect for you, you're going to have to make an effort to change the way you behave.  No doubt you'll have some pretentious come back to this post, probably point out all my spelling errors and grammatical mistakes, but that's just re-enforcing everybody's opinion of you.  Why do you post on these forums?  Do you enjoy being attacked by everybody who responds to you?  Would you rather have genuine discussions and become part of the community?  It's your choice.

I just flipped a coin, guys, and it turns out that God exists.

On another subject, I like your idea beast.  I've had that book on my reading list for some time, I just haven't had the time to buy it and read it yet.  I have many theistic books on my wish list on Amazon and I sort of wanted to do the same thing with that book.  But I trust you'll do a much better job than I would.

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Specify what type of atheist you are then. Weak, strong, etc.

Not even the "strongest" atheists are 100%.

Then explain.

If you would have read the excerpt from The God Delusion that I posted several pages back, we wouldn't need to explain.  But you're too busy knowing that you are right to bother.

God doesn't exist. Quit pretending he does and wasting your own and our time.


End of story.

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No, actually, you're wrong. Unless you want to tell the most prominent atheists of this century that they're not atheists, you are wrong. And you don't want to be looking in a dictionary, but an encyclopedia; a dictionary definition of a controversial word like 'atheism' is likely to be far too simplistic. Atheism is a lack of belief in God. It can also be a belief in the lack of God, but only the former is necessary. Those who hold only to the former may be described as 'weak atheists' or (as I prefer) 'critical atheists', but they are atheists nonetheless. As I said, open-minded and undecided are two very different things. I am open-minded, but I certainly am not undecided.

Here, I'm tired of arguing this with you. I'm atheist now. Let's cease this mindlessness.

Huzzah.

I'm board of talking to you too - so tedious.  Maybe you'll grow up in a few years and understand.

Anyway today I got a new book - well an evangelical lent it to me.  He still has hope for my soul.  He doesn't realise [sic] that I'm an identical twin, and my brother got the soul.  Or maybe we got half a soul each, I'm not sure.

Anyway the book is called In Six Days: Why 50 scientists choose to believe in creation - it's essentially 50 creationist arguments from scientists.  My plan is to write an essay on each essay and give the essays, along with the book, back to the evangelical.  It will be good because I'll actually have to do a lot of research and writing - and I'm sure I'll learn a lot from it.  

Just thought people would be interested.

Yes, this is very "boaring[sic]" isn't it?

I have an understanding, I just know that you don't. Growing up has nothing to do with a person's beliefs. You're too stupid to understand that though; because if you were intelligent, you'd know that a 10 year old atheist isn't smarter than me merely because they are atheistic.

Sadly, you seem to think that not only is your belief superior, but it makes you superior intellectually to others. This is the biggest failing I've ever seen in my life.

You really are an idiot aren't you.  One day you'll see your self righteousness and arrogance for what it really is.  I wasn't saying that you'll grow up and change your beliefs, I was saying you'll grow up and work out how to socialise [sic] with people in a manner that doesn't lead to them attacking you.  At the moment you come across as a self obsessed and arrogant.  You claim to be humble, but you clearly are not humble at all.  You think you're the smartest person in the world and that you know everything about everything.  You'll deny this of course, but it's clear from the way you speak to people, you think you're better than everybody.  You need to learn a great deal more about people - [sic] it doesn't matter what your beliefs are.  There are mature and intelligent creationists out there, and immature and stupid atheists.  The relationship between intelligence and religious belief is a statistical trend, not a law, and nobody has claimed that it is.  If you are to remain on these forums and have people show any respect for you, you're going to have to make an effort to change the way you behave.  No doubt you'll have some pretentious come back [sic] to this post, probably point out all my spelling errors and grammatical mistakes, but that's just re-enforcing everybody's opinion of you.  Why do you post on these forums?  Do you enjoy being attacked by everybody who responds to you?  Would [sic] you rather have genuine discussions and become part of the community?  It's your choice.

Look, I respect you for the most part. I don't know if you're my equal, my lesser, or my better. This is a poor demonstration of who is smarter. Beliefs are not prior to intellect. Some people have picked a side that you find is illogical, perhaps I am illogical in this respect. Does it really matter to you that much? Am I running a steak in your heart screaming witch hunt while carrying the bible? No.

Does it really bother you that much that I can have a different belief about the nature of my reality? Why do I have to assimilate into your train of thought? Why do I have to behave as you do? I don't want to, I don't care about the relationship of God and me, or the lack of God and me. It doesn't cross my mind. All in all, I care about religion, atheism, and agnosticism, less than anyone here. I don't think about it; because it doesn't effect me. If I'm right, wrong, or both, I don't care. I don't need to pick a side, I don't even need to know a side. It will never matter to me as long as I live. I have many emotions and feelings. If I could explain them to you, I would. I lack the mind-power to be able to articulate my beliefs and my feelings. My emotions are bigger than my logic. I went with my gut. It doesn't hurt you. I do not believe in violence, I believe in human progression, arts, beauty, writing, music, and culture.

Continue to judge me though to be your inferior. It's probably true; because unlike you, I lack the ability to understand why I feel the way I do. I cannot rationalize it, and I am sick of being put on the proverbial chopping block to be guillotined by rationalist ideas that will never hurt or help me.

I think that this is too ornate a thought for the simplicity in which I operate within.

I thank you for your honesty. I still don't care if someone on the Internet gives a shit about me. I don't care if you died, and I hope you don't care if I did either. As far as I can see it, you're as real as I make you, and vice versa. So consider it a human failure, or call it my puerility; I don't care.

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Still if you can't find the irony of this statement, then I guess I will:

"You really are an idiot aren't you. One day you'll see your self righteousness and arrogance for what it really is."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_Jesus

 :shock:


...lol?

Thats not funny. Thats just disturbing.

What! What did I just read!!?! *head explodes*