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« on: February 01, 2007, 09:10:45 AM »
Hello gentlemen, I stumbled across this site at thought it was a joke… until I realized how seriously some of you were actually taking this “conspiracy”.  Well, I have a PhD in astrophysics, and just wanted to ask a few very fundamental questions that seem to contradict this theory:


1.  How do you explain gravitation on earth? If the point of gravity was at the center of this plane that is earth, all people, buildings, trees, water, ect. on the outer edge would be pulled toward the center.

2.  If the gravitation point is in some far off location deep beneath the flat earth, how do you explain rotation of the earth? Specifically, how can it be night time in North America (moon and starts visible), when it is light (only sun visible) in Asia? Additionally, wouldn’t all the water in the oceans drain off of the sides if there was some far off gravitation point?

3.  How thick is this slab that you call earth?  Sonar has show that the oceans are over 7 miles deep, resulting in about 2.3 million pounds of pressure being exerted on the ground.  That would take one very strong slab of dirt and rocks to support.



I could come up with about 200 questions like these, but really don’t have the time.  I would love to see some intelligent responses or explanations for just these three.
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« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2007, 09:20:04 AM »
I suggest you go read the FAQ.
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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2007, 09:39:20 AM »
OK, the sun and earth are accelaerating at the rate of 1g? This indicates that the earth (something like 4 billion years old) would be moving at about 4.5 x 10^20 meters / second right now. Speeds like that would destroy anything. Also, why is the gravity on the moon about 1/6 of that of earth if they are accelreating at the same rate?

I noticed your sun rotation FAQ explaining day and night. Please explain a lunar eclipse. Traditionally, a lunar eclipse is when the shadow the earth is cast upon the moon. How is this possible if the earth is always below the sun and moon? Don't beleive in lunar eclipses? You should check it out sometime. The next one is March 3, 2007.
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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2007, 09:43:04 AM »
I'm certainly no FE believer, but you need to do a few things.

1)Don't claim you are something you aren't, it makes you look like a complete idiot

2)Learn the difference between velocity and acceleration.  Speed only kills when you're in a vehicle and there's an idiot driving.

3)look into relativity

4)consider everyone here more or less a 'devil's advocate'

5)don't bring up anything about other planets or space, they'll just say it's part of the conspiracy
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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2007, 09:54:42 AM »
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OK, the sun and earth are accelaerating at the rate of 1g? This indicates that the earth (something like 4 billion years old) would be moving at about 4.5 x 10^20 meters / second right now. Speeds like that would destroy anything.

Too bad you can't go over 3*10^8 m/s when it comes to speeds.

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Also, why is the gravity on the moon about 1/6 of that of earth if they are accelreating at the same rate?

Prove it.

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I noticed your sun rotation FAQ explaining day and night. Please explain a lunar eclipse. Traditionally, a lunar eclipse is when the shadow the earth is cast upon the moon. How is this possible if the earth is always below the sun and moon?

I'll explain it in three simple steps.

1)  Grab a flashlight that works and has batteries.
2)  Turn it on and off.
3)  Gather the pieces of your blown mind.

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The next one is March 3, 2007.

Holy shit, that's my birthday!
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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2007, 10:05:24 AM »
Well, I have a PhD in astrophysics, I don't know what else to tell you. I completed the degree in winter of 2006 at Columbia University. My dissertaion was entitled "Anisotrophy of arrival directions of ultrahigh energy cosmic rays"

I suppose cosmic rays are a conspiricy as well?

Either way, I am well aware of the differences between velocity and accelaration, as well as relativity. However, concepts like these certainly do not apply when travelling many times the speed of light.

I don't beleiev I will be posting on the forum much anymore. I don't have the time and all concepts here are too juvinle. Additionally, the responses are insulting. I loved the answer to "how could all the world's governements cover this up when they are conflicting (or something like that)" with the anwer "they are just appearing to be like that to help the cover up (or something like that)"

Wow, was the holocaust orchestrated because too many people were starting to catch on or something?
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« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2007, 10:26:56 AM »
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Additionally, the responses are insulting.


I don't think anyone was trying to insult you. At least not on purpose.

There are people here who DO insult other members, but the majority of those insults are actually directed towards the flat earthers.
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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2007, 10:29:34 AM »
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Well, I have a PhD in astrophysics, I don't know what else to tell you. I completed the degree in winter of 2006 at Columbia University. My dissertaion was entitled "Anisotrophy of arrival directions of ultrahigh energy cosmic rays"

I suppose cosmic rays are a conspiricy as well?

Either way, I am well aware of the differences between velocity and accelaration, as well as relativity. However, concepts like these certainly do not apply when travelling many times the speed of light.

I don't beleiev I will be posting on the forum much anymore. I don't have the time and all concepts here are too juvinle. Additionally, the responses are insulting. I loved the answer to "how could all the world's governements cover this up when they are conflicting (or something like that)" with the anwer "they are just appearing to be like that to help the cover up (or something like that)"

Wow, was the holocaust orchestrated because too many people were starting to catch on or something?



BTW, that couldn't be your dissertation unless Columbia's standards have dropped recently.  There are numerous papers on the subject, and a dissertation has to be original and, at most schools, be considered as 'a valuable addition to the field of study'.  Such a paper would not be.
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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2007, 10:29:48 AM »
I know this man who says he has a PhD. Let me tell you something, this man maybe the smartest person I know. He is a round believer and has also communicated with ETs like Ebens. Don't mess with him or insult him. The K man is someone you shouldnt mess with.

BOOOSH?
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« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2007, 11:52:40 AM »
Well, all physics aside, I just have one last important question:



Have any flat earth people ever been laid?...




By a human of the opposite sex....





That you didn't have to pay for?
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« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2007, 11:55:04 AM »
Please tell me you're not really serious about having a PhD.
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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2007, 11:55:46 AM »
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Please tell me you're not really serious about having a PhD.


If s/he is, I'd like to see some proof.
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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2007, 11:57:49 AM »
I think the fact that they lack an understanding of the basic concepts of relativity is proof enough that they don't have one. That or PhDs are significantly easier to obtain than I had previously imagined.
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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2007, 11:59:48 AM »
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I think the fact that they lack an understanding of the basic concepts of relativity is proof enough that they don't have one. That or PhDs are significantly easier to obtain than I had previously imagined.


True, but I'd like to give him/her a chance to redeem himself/herself.
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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2007, 11:59:58 AM »
Quote from: "astrophysics"
Well, all physics aside, I just have one last important question:



Have any flat earth people ever been laid?...




By a human of the opposite sex....





That you didn't have to pay for?


Ah, the beautiful shift to argumentum ad personam. It's obvious that you have some great substance of intellect.

~D-Draw
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« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2007, 12:02:09 PM »
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argumentum ad personam.


Isn't advertising illegal on the forums?  
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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2007, 12:04:25 PM »
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Isn't advertising illegal on the forums?  


Quoi?

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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2007, 12:14:43 PM »
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Isn't advertising illegal on the forums?  


Quoi?

~D-Draw

I was merely poking fun at myself for not knowing what "argumentum ad personam" meant (although, the meaning of it could easily be deduced).

You see, I took "ad personam", and made it into "personal ad".  I don't know ...
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« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2007, 12:19:40 PM »
Quote from: "BOGWarrior89"
Quote from: "DiegoDraw"
Quote from: "BOGWarrior89"
Isn't advertising illegal on the forums?  


Quoi?

~D-Draw

I was merely poking fun at myself for not knowing what "argumentum ad personam" meant (although, the meaning of it could easily be deduced).

You see, I took "ad personam", and made it into "personal ad".  I don't know ...

Don't feel bad, BOG, I got the pun.
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« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2007, 12:31:47 PM »
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Mr. Genius

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« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2007, 12:32:19 PM »
I am telling you, the K-Man has a PhD, but whatever.

Okay, so if this is the biggest conspiracy/government cover up then why dont you FE believers do something about it, why dont you get on the radio, television, youtube, myspace etc...and get this out to everyone.  :twisted:

Also, I want directions to this "ice wall" maybe the K-Man and I could go with a group of you guys, I would be willing to treat everyone to lunch. What does everyone say?

BOOSH or NO?
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« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2007, 12:34:24 PM »
I am telling you, the K-Man has a PhD, but whatever.

Okay, so if this is the biggest conspiracy/government cover up then why dont you FE believers do something about it, why dont you get on the radio, television, youtube, myspace etc...and get this out to everyone.  

Also, I want directions to this "ice wall" maybe the K-Man and I could go with a group of you guys, I would be willing to treat everyone to lunch. What does everyone say?

BOOSH or NO?
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« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2007, 12:34:29 PM »
Quote from: "Mr. Genius"
Okay, so if this is the biggest conspiracy/government cover up then why dont you FE believers do something about it, why dont you get on the radio, television, youtube, myspace etc...and get this out to everyone.  :twisted:

BOOSH or NO?


I second this. A simple forum isn't going to get much attention. Get out there and rebel!
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« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2007, 12:36:00 PM »
I want to see this Ice Wall!
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« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2007, 12:40:14 PM »
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Also, I want directions to this "ice wall" maybe the K-Man and I could go with a group of you guys, I would be willing to treat everyone to lunch. What does everyone say?

BOOSH or NO?

Apparently the directions on getting to the Ice Wall are simply, "Go South, young man."  :wink: Don't matter where you leave from either. Just go South. Although, now that I think about it for a second, you could go North far enough that you start going South, and that would get you there too, but in the long run you must go South.
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« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2007, 12:51:12 PM »
Basically, just go south from where you are.
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« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2007, 01:07:02 PM »
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Please tell me you're not really serious about having a PhD.


If s/he is, I'd like to see some proof.



I don't know what other proof to offer you. I gave you my dissertation title. My advisor was Dr. Stefan Westerhoff. The publication number is  AAT 3213506.

Here's the abstract if anybody is interested in the concept:

This thesis investigates the origins of ultrahigh energy cosmic rays by searching for evidence of small-scale anisotropy in their arrival directions from space. We begin with a short review of what is known about cosmic rays and specifically about the propagation of charged particles through galactic and extragalactic space. We next describe the experimental techniques of detecting these particles by measuring the extensive air showers they produce in the atmosphere, with special focus on the High Resolution Fly's Eye (HiRes) experiment. In stereo operation the HiRes detector observes cosmic ray arrival directions with unprecedented angular resolution, on the order of 0.5° at all energies above 10 18 eV, opening a new window in particle astronomy. Before analyzing the data produced by this experiment, we examine previously claimed evidence for clustering of cosmic rays seen by the Akeno Giant Air Shower Array (AGASA) experiment, and identify potential biases in the analysis which call the evidence into question. An unbiased method is then developed to search for the same kind of clustering signal and is applied to the HiRes data. We next develop an unbinned maximum likelihood ratio test for point-source searches, a technique that is optimal for data combined from experiments with different angular resolution, and we apply this to the combined set of HiRes and AGASA data. Finally, we investigate a series of recent claims that ultrahigh energy cosmic rays, including those observed by HiRes, are correlated with the positions of bright BL Lacertae objects (a class of active galaxies), and propose tests of these claims that require independent data. We conclude that at present no statistically significant evidence exists for small-scale anisotropy.
 




All this nay-saying about me having a PhD? How many FE people have obtained their PhD? You seem to be experts on the requirements. I couldn't seriously beleive that anybody with a formal education in science would believe the flat earth theory / conspiricy.

If you want cool conspiricies to investigate, you should look at how Tesla's death ray may have caused the Tunguska blast or maybe the philadelphia experiments.
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« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2007, 01:16:16 PM »
Take a picture of you holding your certifications, diploma.
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« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2007, 01:17:07 PM »
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Take a picture of you holding your certifications, diploma.

Pictures can be faked. *cheeky grin*
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« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2007, 01:23:55 PM »
I worked with a few professors who have had their PhD's so I know what they would look like, a common person cannot just purchase one and fake it. Once the picture is shown, we could run checks to verify the signatures, names, etc.
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