Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #150 on: March 10, 2019, 05:47:11 AM »
So Sceptimatic tells us to be free thinkers but he is incapable of visualising a very large pump pushing large volumes of liquid through a large pipe.....?
I can certainly visualise a large pump pushing large volumes through a pipe.
Not 4 tons per second for 5 engines equalling 20 tons per second from one tank of so called kerosene and one tank of liquid oxy.
Little minds simply cannot think big! But you have to learn to live with your weaknesses not I!

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #151 on: March 10, 2019, 05:51:50 AM »
Normally you seem keen to show the stuff. What's the matter?
YOU are the matter!
We get sick of your utter ignorance, helplessness and inability to get off your backside and do anything for yourself!

You refuse to show any evidence for your dream-stories so no one is likely to believe those either.

You are simply trolling! Run away!
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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #152 on: March 10, 2019, 05:53:38 AM »
It still all has to flow through those small pipes. And yes they are small considering what's supposed to be whacked through them.
You are simply trolling! Run away!
« Last Edit: March 10, 2019, 05:57:08 AM by rabinoz »

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #153 on: March 10, 2019, 05:55:53 AM »
The reality should be ....well the reality would simply not be a reality because it wouldn't work.
So far all we have for that is your pathetic ridicule.
If you wish to convince any sane person you will need far more than that.

Show the math that shows this is impossible.
You can make the maths up for anything on scale. It doesn't make the scaling feasible, so drop the old maths nonsense.

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There's a valid reason why electrical components require heat sinks and fans and VENTILATION to allow that heat to dissipate.
Except, they don't actually need that.
Plenty of electronics work just fine without that.
No they actually don't.

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Those that do heat up significantly just need a way to dump the heat.
The simplest way to do so is a heat sink and fan.
That doesn't mean other ways are impossible.
If you can't cool down consistently heated working components then your components will burn out in short order. You need a medium of sorts.
Your so called space provides none.
This should be enough to tell anyone that so called space rockets taking so called satellites into so called space, are all nonsense. Bogus. Sci-fi. A good story.

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Now stop with your pathetic analogies and false equivalences.
If you wish to assert radiative cooling doesn't exist you will need to focus on radiative transfer of heat.
Showing a device which is designed to use forced air circulation can't cool itself with radiative cooling with the same design just shows you don't understand heat transfer.
Radiative transfer of heat is simple. It just isn't simple in your fictional space vacuum.

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If you would like a valid analogy then according to you, standing in the shade under a tree should have you feel much hotter than standing in direct sunlight in a glass greenhouse.
Standing in the shade under a tree blocks out the suns wavelengths from directly hitting you.
Just like standing behind a tree when Indians are shooting arrows at you. They will hit the tree and go over the tree but you'll be fine.
It doesn't agitate the air by expanding it behind that tree so you feel cooler due to the air not agitating against your skin and friction burning it, as well as not over expanding your cells in your body to create internal friction.
 Guess what?
In your space you don't have any molecules to agitate, because your space is virtually empty and you people say.
What was it? Random scattered particles. No wonder I act bemused.

And to think intelligent people buy into this nonsense. It beggars belief.


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That is because the glass provides a barrier to the motion of the air, while standing in the shade does not.
Yep, just as the pretend satellite would act as a barrier to the dissipation of its heat, regardless of the outside of it also being unable to do anything to dissipate the heat.
If such a thing could exist (vacuum) then we would certainly be living in a magical world. We'd have to to exist...but we know magic is not real, right?

So that leaves us with story telling books and pictures and video for the sci-fi minds we all like to adhere to as just that, except many people take it as sci-fa, for no other reason than being told so by authoritarians.

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But the radiative heat transfer of the sun doesn't care. Instead it goes through the glass and still heats you up, but can't penetrate whatever is providing the shade letting you stay cool.
It works a treat in an atmosphere.
There's no such thing in your sci-fi universe.

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The story breaks down badly when you look at it piece by piece.
Really? Because you are yet to show a single problem. Instead all you have done is repeatedly assert there is a problem and try to ridicule it.
The problems are there for any rational person to think on.
As for ridicule. I call it bemusement.


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Now again, quit with the pathetic distraction and deal with your claims of impossibility of the rocket.
No need for any distractions. I'll deal with whatever I deal with at any time..as and when I see fit.
Now quit with your distractions.


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You claim it would blow itself up, yet can provide nothing to show that.
You claim the flow rate is impossible, yet can provide nothing to show that.
Of course. I'd have to see it working as we are told. Will I get that opportunity? Of course not.
Will you?
Of course not.
What's left?
It's down to using the rational senses.

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #154 on: March 10, 2019, 05:56:38 AM »
There is no cooling in your so called a vacuum, no matter how much you try to spin it.
Incorrect!
Heat is transferred by radiation, conduction and convection. And radiation is just as effective in a vacuum as anywhere else.
No spin is needed!
No it's not just as effective in a vacuum as anywhere else. That's in your mind.

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #155 on: March 10, 2019, 05:56:51 AM »
It's amazing how the engine cannot be replicated due to the craftsmen of yesteryear being so good at piecing together thousands of parts and welding to extreme, eh?
Now it's down to 50 parts because it's better to do that than to actually replicate a supposed outstanding piece of engineering.
You are simply trolling! Run away!

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #156 on: March 10, 2019, 06:02:12 AM »
No it's not just as effective in a vacuum as anywhere else. That's in your mind.
RADIATION is just as effective in a vacuum and your claiming otherwise proves nothing!

Show some evidence for your claim or admit that you are simply trolling, as usual!

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #157 on: March 10, 2019, 06:06:59 AM »

No, it "cannot be replicated" because as they were being built the parts were being custom fit with the skill and expertise of those assembling it.
With today's technology that is no longer required as we can have it made correctly with machining and have it pieces together without needing the custom fit.

How many F1 engines were built from start to finish?
Something like  the total of these:
    Sixty-five F-1 engines were launched aboard thirteen Saturn Vs.
    Ten F-1 engines were installed on two production Saturn Vs that never flew.
    A test engine is on display at the Powerhouse Museum in Sydney, Australia.
    An F-1 engine, on loan from the National Air and Space Museum, is on display at the Air Zoo in Portage, Michigan.
    An F-1 engine is on a horizontal display stand at Science Museum Oklahoma in Oklahoma City.
    F-1 engine F-6049 is displayed vertically at the Museum of Flight in Seattle, WA as part of the Apollo exhibit.
So what?
So 79 engines in total.

What about the second stages, what kind of engines were they?
And the third stages?


All those engines. It almost appears to be like a production line, doesn't it?
1967 to 1972.
 5 years to build 79 engines and whatever engines were in the second and third stages.

5 years to build 13 saturn V rockets.

Custom made?

I presume all we built in the same factory by the same skilled men who knew the custom set up, right?

Just a lot of questions really. It's no wonder it's hard to accept this stuff, isn't it? For me I mean, not for the likes of you. I know what your stance is. To defend it and everything officially mainstream and fair play.

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #158 on: March 10, 2019, 06:10:45 AM »
In your so called space, there is none of that. Your components are all heat. All electronic components are heat in varying stages and that heat must be dissipated.

You need to move matter to dissipate heat. Your space provides you with little to none.
Your components are essentially entombed inside that bag I mentioned, because there's no way to radiate, unless you use magic.
Heat can be conducted to where it can radiate into space.

It is an extremely important issue!
Why should feed you like a baby Read a bit about it for yourself in:
         Learn more about Thermal Control System
         Spacecraft Thermal Control SystemsCol. John E. Keesee
         Adanced Cooling technologies, Spacecraft Thermal Control.
No need to feed me. No need at all. Take a back seat and I'll do my own stuff.
The thing is if you allow me to do that it becomes painful for you to stay out. Prove me wrong by staying out or not replying to me.


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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #159 on: March 10, 2019, 06:13:09 AM »
So Sceptimatic tells us to be free thinkers but he is incapable of visualising a very large pump pushing large volumes of liquid through a large pipe.....?
I can certainly visualise a large pump pushing large volumes through a pipe.
Not 4 tons per second for 5 engines equalling 20 tons per second from one tank of so called kerosene and one tank of liquid oxy.
Little minds simply cannot think big! But you have to learn to live with your weaknesses not I!
I can think big, no problem.
Big in reality is great. Big in sci-fi is equally great. It can be entertaining, as long as we all remember that some big things are simply just that...sci-fi.

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #160 on: March 10, 2019, 06:16:07 AM »
Normally you seem keen to show the stuff. What's the matter?
YOU are the matter!
We get sick of your utter ignorance, helplessness and inability to get off your backside and do anything for yourself!

You refuse to show any evidence for your dream-stories so no one is likely to believe those either.

You are simply trolling! Run away!
You're showing yourself up for the person I always knew you were.
You have every opportunity to not reply or even ignore me.
I'm a loony and ignorant, aren't I?
You're smart and know everything and yet here you are corresponding to me.
Come on, surely you can cast me aside as irrelevant.
You said yourself, most on here think I'm a crazy, so click on my name and ignore me, then carry on with whatever you feel is good for you.

If you're not going to do it then stop whining.

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #161 on: March 10, 2019, 06:17:29 AM »
It still all has to flow through those small pipes. And yes they are small considering what's supposed to be whacked through them.
You are simply trolling! Run away!
I think you're sweating by now. It's awful when too many questions come in, isn't it.
When things get closer to the bone.
the best way to deal with it is to call out, troll.
Well done.

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #162 on: March 10, 2019, 06:26:08 AM »
No it's not just as effective in a vacuum as anywhere else. That's in your mind.
RADIATION is just as effective in a vacuum and your claiming otherwise proves nothing!

Show some evidence for your claim or admit that you are simply trolling, as usual!
Tell me what vacuum radiation is.
Just explain how it works in the nothingness.

I'll help you.
You have a laptop in your space.
Tell me how the heat is radiated so it doesn't simply burn out all of its components?

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« Reply #163 on: March 10, 2019, 06:56:25 AM »
No it's not just as effective in a vacuum as anywhere else. That's in your mind.
RADIATION is just as effective in a vacuum and your claiming otherwise proves nothing!

Show some evidence for your claim or admit that you are simply trolling, as usual!
Tell me what vacuum radiation is.
Just explain how it works in the nothingness.

I'll help you.
You have a laptop in your space.
Tell me how the heat is radiated so it doesn't simply burn out all of its components?
Look it up instead of trying to score points here.

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #164 on: March 10, 2019, 07:00:14 AM »
No it's not just as effective in a vacuum as anywhere else. That's in your mind.
RADIATION is just as effective in a vacuum and your claiming otherwise proves nothing!

Show some evidence for your claim or admit that you are simply trolling, as usual!
Tell me what vacuum radiation is.
Just explain how it works in the nothingness.

I'll help you.
You have a laptop in your space.
Tell me how the heat is radiated so it doesn't simply burn out all of its components?

As long as something is above absolute zero (I believe it was -273 degrees celcius) in temperature, it will radiate (emission of electromagnetic waves). So, that laptop you mentioned will cool off until it is the same temperature as the surrounding space.

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #165 on: March 10, 2019, 07:07:56 AM »
No it's not just as effective in a vacuum as anywhere else. That's in your mind.
RADIATION is just as effective in a vacuum and your claiming otherwise proves nothing!

Show some evidence for your claim or admit that you are simply trolling, as usual!
Tell me what vacuum radiation is.
Just explain how it works in the nothingness.

I'll help you.
You have a laptop in your space.
Tell me how the heat is radiated so it doesn't simply burn out all of its components?

As long as something is above absolute zero (I believe it was -273 degrees celcius) in temperature, it will radiate (emission of electromagnetic waves). So, that laptop you mentioned will cool off until it is the same temperature as the surrounding space.
Can you tell me what a near absolute zero would do to objects. Let's say, something like a sci-fi satellite in sci-fi space in this so called vacuum or near vacuum.

Tell me why metal shatters when exposed to extreme cold and then tell me what extreme cold actually is and why it becomes that to us?

Once you understand this you'll absolutely understand why satellites and space stuff, plus space itself...as we are told...is nothing other than sci-fi.


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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #166 on: March 10, 2019, 07:15:49 AM »
No it's not just as effective in a vacuum as anywhere else. That's in your mind.
RADIATION is just as effective in a vacuum and your claiming otherwise proves nothing!

Show some evidence for your claim or admit that you are simply trolling, as usual!
Tell me what vacuum radiation is.
Just explain how it works in the nothingness.

I'll help you.
You have a laptop in your space.
Tell me how the heat is radiated so it doesn't simply burn out all of its components?

As long as something is above absolute zero (I believe it was -273 degrees celcius) in temperature, it will radiate (emission of electromagnetic waves). So, that laptop you mentioned will cool off until it is the same temperature as the surrounding space.
Can you tell me what a near absolute zero would do to objects. Let's say, something like a sci-fi satellite in sci-fi space in this so called vacuum or near vacuum.

Tell me why metal shatters when exposed to extreme cold and then tell me what extreme cold actually is and why it becomes that to us?

Once you understand this you'll absolutely understand why satellites and space stuff, plus space itself...as we are told...is nothing other than sci-fi.
How does my satellite tv reception work?

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #167 on: March 10, 2019, 07:26:55 AM »
No it's not just as effective in a vacuum as anywhere else. That's in your mind.
RADIATION is just as effective in a vacuum and your claiming otherwise proves nothing!

Show some evidence for your claim or admit that you are simply trolling, as usual!
Tell me what vacuum radiation is.
Just explain how it works in the nothingness.

I'll help you.
You have a laptop in your space.
Tell me how the heat is radiated so it doesn't simply burn out all of its components?

As long as something is above absolute zero (I believe it was -273 degrees celcius) in temperature, it will radiate (emission of electromagnetic waves). So, that laptop you mentioned will cool off until it is the same temperature as the surrounding space.
Can you tell me what a near absolute zero would do to objects. Let's say, something like a sci-fi satellite in sci-fi space in this so called vacuum or near vacuum.

Tell me why metal shatters when exposed to extreme cold and then tell me what extreme cold actually is and why it becomes that to us?

Once you understand this you'll absolutely understand why satellites and space stuff, plus space itself...as we are told...is nothing other than sci-fi.

Satellites are shielded from radiation using aluminium.

Quote: Low-Temperature Properties. Aluminum alloys represent a very important class of structural metals for subzero-temperature applications and are used for structural parts for operation at temperatures as low as -270oC.

Below zero, most aluminum alloys show little change in properties; yield and tensile strengths may increase; elongation may decrease slightly; impact strength remains approximately constant. Consequently, aluminum is useful material for many low-temperature applications.

Source: http://www.totalmateria.com/Article23.htm

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #168 on: March 10, 2019, 07:54:48 AM »
How does my satellite tv reception work?
You don't have one.

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #169 on: March 10, 2019, 08:02:36 AM »
No it's not just as effective in a vacuum as anywhere else. That's in your mind.
RADIATION is just as effective in a vacuum and your claiming otherwise proves nothing!

Show some evidence for your claim or admit that you are simply trolling, as usual!
Tell me what vacuum radiation is.
Just explain how it works in the nothingness.

I'll help you.
You have a laptop in your space.
Tell me how the heat is radiated so it doesn't simply burn out all of its components?

As long as something is above absolute zero (I believe it was -273 degrees celcius) in temperature, it will radiate (emission of electromagnetic waves). So, that laptop you mentioned will cool off until it is the same temperature as the surrounding space.
Can you tell me what a near absolute zero would do to objects. Let's say, something like a sci-fi satellite in sci-fi space in this so called vacuum or near vacuum.

Tell me why metal shatters when exposed to extreme cold and then tell me what extreme cold actually is and why it becomes that to us?

Once you understand this you'll absolutely understand why satellites and space stuff, plus space itself...as we are told...is nothing other than sci-fi.

Satellites are shielded from radiation using aluminium.

Quote: Low-Temperature Properties. Aluminum alloys represent a very important class of structural metals for subzero-temperature applications and are used for structural parts for operation at temperatures as low as -270oC.

Below zero, most aluminum alloys show little change in properties; yield and tensile strengths may increase; elongation may decrease slightly; impact strength remains approximately constant. Consequently, aluminum is useful material for many low-temperature applications.

Source: http://www.totalmateria.com/Article23.htm
Can you explain how there would be sub zero temperatures in your space?
How is temperature measured?

What would you take to space to measure the so called vacuum temperature?

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #170 on: March 10, 2019, 09:47:37 AM »
No it's not just as effective in a vacuum as anywhere else. That's in your mind.
RADIATION is just as effective in a vacuum and your claiming otherwise proves nothing!

Show some evidence for your claim or admit that you are simply trolling, as usual!
Tell me what vacuum radiation is.
Just explain how it works in the nothingness.

I'll help you.
You have a laptop in your space.
Tell me how the heat is radiated so it doesn't simply burn out all of its components?

As long as something is above absolute zero (I believe it was -273 degrees celcius) in temperature, it will radiate (emission of electromagnetic waves). So, that laptop you mentioned will cool off until it is the same temperature as the surrounding space.
Can you tell me what a near absolute zero would do to objects. Let's say, something like a sci-fi satellite in sci-fi space in this so called vacuum or near vacuum.

Tell me why metal shatters when exposed to extreme cold and then tell me what extreme cold actually is and why it becomes that to us?

Once you understand this you'll absolutely understand why satellites and space stuff, plus space itself...as we are told...is nothing other than sci-fi.

Satellites are shielded from radiation using aluminium.

Quote: Low-Temperature Properties. Aluminum alloys represent a very important class of structural metals for subzero-temperature applications and are used for structural parts for operation at temperatures as low as -270oC.

Below zero, most aluminum alloys show little change in properties; yield and tensile strengths may increase; elongation may decrease slightly; impact strength remains approximately constant. Consequently, aluminum is useful material for many low-temperature applications.

Source: http://www.totalmateria.com/Article23.htm
Can you explain how there would be sub zero temperatures in your space?
How is temperature measured?

What would you take to space to measure the so called vacuum temperature?

Vacuum of space itself has no temperature. But things heat up or cool down depending on how much photons it receives. Here's another nice article explaining this.

https://www.universetoday.com/77070/how-cold-is-space/

Radiation by the way works the same in a vacuum as anywhere else. Because there are always photons radiating heat. The only difference is that in the vacuum of space, the only way heat can transfer is radiation, whilst we on earth are used to having three types of heat transfer.

1. Radiation example: Put something in a microwave oven and it will heat up.

2. Convection example: Warm air from a fire to warm your hands.

3. Conduction example: Putting a pan on a fire and the pan will heat up.

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« Reply #171 on: March 10, 2019, 11:40:07 AM »
How does my satellite tv reception work?
You don't have one.
I have set up a dish and a receiver that points to an object over the equator.  You know there are dishes, please explain how they work.

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #172 on: March 10, 2019, 02:08:29 PM »
Can you explain how there would be sub zero temperatures in your space?
How is temperature measured?

What would you take to space to measure the so called vacuum temperature?

Vacuum of space itself has no temperature.
But things heat up or cool down depending on how much photons it receives. Here's another nice article explaining this.

Why doesn't it have a temperature?

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« Reply #173 on: March 10, 2019, 02:19:53 PM »
Can you explain how there would be sub zero temperatures in your space?
How is temperature measured?

What would you take to space to measure the so called vacuum temperature?

Vacuum of space itself has no temperature.
But things heat up or cool down depending on how much photons it receives. Here's another nice article explaining this.

Why doesn't it have a temperature?

Because there is nothing to have a temperature. An atmosphere has temperature because it's not empty. An object flying through space has a measurable temperature because it radiates heat and is itself not a vacuum. An object in full sunlight warms up due to radiation. An object not in sunlight will cool down rapidly because it radiates heat away. It's not so difficult.

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« Reply #174 on: March 10, 2019, 02:25:36 PM »

No, it "cannot be replicated" because as they were being built the parts were being custom fit with the skill and expertise of those assembling it.
With today's technology that is no longer required as we can have it made correctly with machining and have it pieces together without needing the custom fit.

How many F1 engines were built from start to finish?
Something like  the total of these:
    Sixty-five F-1 engines were launched aboard thirteen Saturn Vs.
    Ten F-1 engines were installed on two production Saturn Vs that never flew.
    A test engine is on display at the Powerhouse Museum in Sydney, Australia.
    An F-1 engine, on loan from the National Air and Space Museum, is on display at the Air Zoo in Portage, Michigan.
    An F-1 engine is on a horizontal display stand at Science Museum Oklahoma in Oklahoma City.
    F-1 engine F-6049 is displayed vertically at the Museum of Flight in Seattle, WA as part of the Apollo exhibit.
So what?
So 79 engines in total.
All those engines. It almost appears to be like a production line, doesn't it?
1967 to 1972.
5 years to build 79 engines and whatever engines were in the second and third stages.
5 years to build 13 saturn V rockets.
Custom made?

I presume all we built in the same factory by the same skilled men who knew the custom set up, right?
Yes, custom made! That few F-1 engines built is nothing like mass production.
The Rocketdyne F-1 engine hardly got out of the "prototype" stage and the production methods used in the 1960s were quite different from those used now.

Consider the Boeing 747, "By July 2018, 1,546 aircraft had been built". That was the whole system and many 747 components are common to other aircraft.

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Just a lot of questions really. It's no wonder it's hard to accept this stuff, isn't it? For me I mean, not for the likes of you. I know what your stance is. To defend it and everything officially mainstream and fair play.
But you have your, "lot of questions" but start from a complete ignorance about these things and the assumption that all NASA says is lies.

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #175 on: March 10, 2019, 02:34:15 PM »
Why doesn't it have a temperature?


Because there is nothing to have a temperature. An atmosphere has temperature because it's not empty. An object flying through space has a measurable temperature because it radiates heat and is itself not a vacuum. An object in full sunlight warms up due to radiation. An object not in sunlight will cool down rapidly because it radiates heat away. It's not so difficult.
Can you tell me how anything can move in a nothingness?

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #176 on: March 10, 2019, 02:52:18 PM »
You can make the maths up for anything on scale. It doesn't make the scaling feasible, so drop the old maths nonsense.
No. You can't just make up the math to make it work.
For example, you could try calculating the pressure required for the flow, and show this is well beyond the pressure required to rupture the pipe.
You can calculate the pressure required to provide the thrust on the rocket, and show this would be capable of blowing the rocket apart.

But you don't, almost as if you know the calculation will show it is just fine and that there isn't a problem.

You can ridicule literally anything on any scale to pretend it doesn't work. So stop with the pathetic ridicule and start proving your insane claims.

No they actually don't.
How many fans are inside your phone?
What about your watch?
Your calculator?

There are plenty of electronic devices which work just fine without any special heat sink and without a fan. That is because they don't produce much heat as they don't consume a lot of power.

You need a medium of sorts.
Your so called space provides none.
It has the electromagnetic field, a "medium" in which electromagnetic radiation travels.
This allows radioactive heat transfer.
You not liking that doesn't change reality.

This should be enough to tell anyone
All it tells us is that you are completely incapable of rationally defending your claims as you need to resort to distraction after distraction rather than actually backing up your original claims, and that you will reject any part of reality which will help you dismiss a RE.

Radiative transfer of heat is simple. It just isn't simple in your fictional space vacuum.
The environment doesn't change it much except for the absorption of that radiation and the velocity at which it propagates.
Radiative transfer of heat works better in a vacuum as you don't have the air immediately in front absorbing the energy which can then in turn heat up the object.

Standing in the shade under a tree blocks out the suns wavelengths from directly hitting you.
That's right, it blocks the radiative heat transfer, which glass doesn't.
This shows it isn't just agitation of air/matter.

And to think intelligent people buy into this nonsense. It beggars belief.
I am yet to see any intelligent person buy your nonsense.

Yep, just as the pretend satellite would act as a barrier to the dissipation of its heat
Then you are completely ignoring the point.
In the glass greenhouse you are hotter. this is because the glass is only blocking convection and conduction of heat.
The radiative transfer of heat goes through it just fine.
This means if the REAL satellite works with radiative heat transfer, it works fine in a vacuum.

The problems are there for any rational person to think on.
No they aren't.
So far all you have is pathetic ridicule for irrational dismissal.

No need for any distractions. I'll deal with whatever I deal with at any time..as and when I see fit.
i.e. you will resort to distraction after distraction to avoid your failure to justify any of your claims.

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You claim it would blow itself up, yet can provide nothing to show that.
You claim the flow rate is impossible, yet can provide nothing to show that.
Of course.
So you admit your claims that it would blow up is just an outright lie based upon absolutely no rational thought?
You admit your claim that the flow rate is impossible is another outright lie based upon absolutely no rational thought?

If they were based upon rational thought you would be able to back them up rather than just asserting it to try and ridicule rockets.

All those engines. It almost appears to be like a production line, doesn't it?
1967 to 1972.
 5 years to build 79 engines and whatever engines were in the second and third stages.

5 years to build 13 saturn V rockets.

Custom made?
Those were launch dates, not the dates they were made, and you left out 1973.

And yes, roughly 2 every year. That doesn't sound like a production line.
As a comparison, the original Ford motors production line allowed them to make a car every 30 minutes.

It's no wonder it's hard to accept this stuff, isn't it? For me I mean
No, it isn't any wonder. You don't accept it because it would destroy your entire world view.
It is no wonder sane, rational people accept it, as you are yet to show any problem with it.
It is a wonder why any sane, rational person wouldn't accept it.

You have a laptop in your space.
Laptops cool via forced convection, not radiation.

Try again.

Light is one simple form of this radiation, which can easily be observed to pass through vacuums, with plenty of vacuum chamber tests still allowing you to see what is inside.
If radiation couldn't pass through a vacuum then you wouldn't be able to see those objects.

Can you tell me what a near absolute zero would do to objects. Let's say, something like a sci-fi satellite in sci-fi space in this so called vacuum or near vacuum.
Tell me why metal shatters when exposed to extreme cold and then tell me what extreme cold actually is and why it becomes that to us?
Once you understand this you'll absolutely understand why satellites and space stuff, plus space itself...as we are told...is nothing other than sci-fi.
And yet another pathetic distraction.

No, When we understand this we will understand just why all of your claims regarding heat transfer are pure BS.

Metal doesn't just magically shatter when exposed to extreme cold.
Instead some metals, such as iron, undergo a brittle to ductile phase transition when they cool below a certain point.
Note, it isn't the exposure to cold that does this, it is the temperature of the iron.
This means if it is in a cold environment (such as space in the shade) but isn't quickly dissipating heat, it won't cool and become fragile; while if it is in a cold environment with lots of water right against it, which is also very cold, then it will rapidly dissipate the heat and cool down and become brittle.

This is very simple thermodynamics.

Can you explain how there would be sub zero temperatures in your space?
How is temperature measured?
And another pathetic distraction.
There are several ways to measure temperature. The simplest requires conduction to a measuring device where some property of that device will have a known variation with temperature. But technically you are measuring the temperature of the device, not the environment.
Another option is via measuring its radiation spectrum and fitting that to a block body radiation curve. This even allows measuring the temperature of pure radiation. It is the latter which is used to measure the temperature of space, noting that it is actually the radiation that is being measured.

Can you tell me how anything can move in a nothingness?
That has already been explained to you.
Stop bring up the same garbage questions when you have no intention of accepting the answers.
What is there with nothingness to stop it moving? NOTHING!

Now quit with the pathetic distractions.
Either admit your claims are pure BS, or defend them. Show that the rocket will blow itself up. Show that the flow rate is impossible.

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #177 on: March 10, 2019, 02:52:59 PM »
Can you tell me how anything can move in a nothingness?

I'm assuming you mean rockets?

The combustion takes care of that. When the gases are pushed out of the engine (sorry for my English by the way) it pushes the rocket forward (for every action there is an opposite and equal reaction). It doesn't matter that it's a vacuum for that to happen. The more power it has, the faster it will go forward. This works the same as when the rocket takes off from the launch platform.

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rabinoz

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #178 on: March 10, 2019, 03:42:24 PM »
Can you tell me how anything can move in a nothingness?
Much easier than in a "somethingness" because there is no resistance (friction if you like) in a "nothingness" and a rocket can be accelerated by ejecting mass out the back - easy peasy.
« Last Edit: March 10, 2019, 05:12:27 PM by rabinoz »

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #179 on: March 10, 2019, 06:24:34 PM »
Scepti, in the 1820's it was people such as yourself that believed that travelling on a train at speeds over 20mph would cause men to asphyxiate and women to disintegrate. Where is the similarity to you? Some people just have no ability to to tie existing data, experimentation and experience together into a cohesive knowledge base on which to build on. You are intentionally and wilfully uneducated to the point that anything new from a scientific or technical point of view seems like either magic or fakery.
Turkish joke. A prisoner goes to the jail's library to borrow a book. The librarian says: "We don't have this book, but we have its author"