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I have not personally insulted you at all.

What about your alts?

Fame comes from being popular.

Or very unpopular. 

Fame often comes from displaying great talent.   van Gogh wasn't famous.  There are artists like van Gogh and Mozart who didn't become famous until after they were dead.  They had hard lives!

I am not confusing anything at all.

Mozart was very famous when he was alive.

Quote from: 2centsworth on March 09, 2019, 02:25:18 AM

Fame often comes from displaying great talent.   van Gogh wasn't famous.  There are artists like van Gogh and Mozart who didn't become famous until after they were dead.  They had hard lives!

I am not confusing anything at all.

Mozart was very famous when he was alive.

There is something wonderful about this post.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on March 09, 2019, 02:43:00 AM

Fame comes from being popular.

Or very unpopular.

Sorry I forgot about you.   

Is this a new shtick?

Quote from: JerkFace on March 09, 2019, 05:48:41 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on March 09, 2019, 02:43:00 AM

Fame comes from being popular.

Or very unpopular.

Sorry I forgot about you.   

LOL,  fame is such a fleeting thing.  Keep trying, you too could be famous** one day.


** unpopular as me, that is.

Quote from: 2centsworth on March 09, 2019, 02:25:18 AM

Fame often comes from displaying great talent.   van Gogh wasn't famous.  There are artists like van Gogh and Mozart who didn't become famous until after they were dead.  They had hard lives!

I am not confusing anything at all.

Mozart was very famous when he was alive.

Mozart was famous as a child entertainer.    His music didn't catch on with the public as he got older.  He died poor and was buried in a mass grave with paupers.  No one knows where Mozart is buried.  Hardly anybody attended his funeral.

Amadeus, the movie, was made from material supplied from the case history of court composer Solieri who went mad and died in a sanatarium.

Don Giavonni  might be Mozart's greatest work but it bombed as did a lot of his stuff.  He never caught on to the general public as a composer.  According to Herman Hesse:  "Mozart died young, poor and misunderstood.  "

Not new shtick.   I just love the expression. 'architects of anarchy'.  The alliteration is beautiful and poetic although the idea expressed is quite horrific.  I saw it in a recent movie called, 'The Veil'.   The movie was written by Reno 911 alum Robert Ben Garant.  Thomas Jane was quite impressive as the cult leader, I thought.  Lili Rabe was also in it and she is always good.

Might be the end days.    I really can't see the world going any farther.  I hope I am wrong but there is just so much fear and anger in the air.   Also, it is my sense that art, music and science are dead.

Our fearless leader, Donald Trump, is no different on the inside than any leader who has come before him.  It is just that the ones before him had some polish to their character.  As Tolstoy said, "Kings are the slaves of history."  Things are being unveiled and the lies that have held civilization together are becoming unraveled.   

"We have met the enemy and he is us."  Pogo

Be well.

I have no alts.  I think you mean alternative internet identities.    I have none.   I have not personally insulted anybody in here. 

I figure public figures are fair game.   Therefore my assault on the plagiarist Einstein.  The materialists in here refer to the prophets in the Bible as goat herders to be derogatory; they call Jesus a 'sky fairy' and they are entitled to their opinion which is fine.

I have nothing personal against anybody in here. 

I am opinionated, contentious and I hope provocative.  I do not believe these 3 traits make one a troll.  I have not personally insulted anybody (movements and public figures are fair game) nor resorted to glib put downs nor sarcasm nor vulgarity.  I have not made presumptions on anybody else's statements nor I have interpreted other's comments in the broadest sense of what  their words might imply.  I am not trying to trigger anybody.  I only present my opinions and we are all entitled to our viewpoints.

Some of you in here are assholes.  But, most of you are basically decent. 

I do believe there is such a thing as materialist dogma; there is such a thing as scientism.    Adherents to scientism can be just as fanatical and bigoted as any other religious zealot.

One can not say hardly anything against any group of people, no matter how horrible, that isn't true.  But when one starts to think that their group is superior that is hubris and that is a problem.  Hubris and dishonesty are the biggest problems in the human condition and far surpass ignorance as agencies of human misery.

I have no alts.  I think you mean alternative internet identities.    I have none.   I have not personally insulted anybody in here. 

I figure public figures are fair game.   Therefore my assault on the plagiarist Einstein.  The materialists in here refer to the prophets in the Bible as goat herders to be derogatory; they call Jesus a 'sky fairy' and they are entitled to their opinion which is fine.

I have nothing personal against anybody in here. 

I am opinionated, contentious and I hope provocative.  I do not believe these 3 traits make one a troll.  I have not personally insulted anybody (movements and public figures are fair game) nor resorted to glib put downs nor sarcasm nor vulgarity.  I have not made presumptions on anybody else's statements nor I have interpreted other's comments in the broadest sense of what  their words might imply.  I am not trying to trigger anybody.  I only present my opinions and we are all entitled to our viewpoints.

Some of you in here are assholes.  But, most of you are basically decent. 

I do believe there is such a thing as materialist dogma; there is such a thing as scientism.    Adherents to scientism can be just as fanatical and bigoted as any other religious zealot.

One can not say hardly anything against any group of people, no matter how horrible, that isn't true.  But when one starts to think that their group is superior that is hubris and that is a problem.  Hubris and dishonesty are the biggest problems in the human condition and far surpass ignorance as agencies of human misery.

Look in the mirror mate because all your judgements apply just as, much to yourself.

Also, you said you have never insulted anyone in one sentence then call some of us arseholes. Do you not see the hypocrisy?

Quote from: 2centsworth on March 09, 2019, 02:44:05 AM

I have heard it said that the power of love and a good sense of humor are the weapons of the angels.

I would be interested in your take on what is going on with the statue.  Offhand I would say it is just another creepy pasta.   It is interesting.

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 09, 2019, 07:00:05 AM

Quote from: 2centsworth on March 09, 2019, 02:25:18 AM

Fame often comes from displaying great talent.   van Gogh wasn't famous.  There are artists like van Gogh and Mozart who didn't become famous until after they were dead.  They had hard lives!

I am not confusing anything at all.

Mozart was very famous when he was alive.

Mozart was famous as a child entertainer.    His music didn't catch on with the public as he got older.  He died poor and was buried in a mass grave with paupers.  No one knows where Mozart is buried.  Hardly anybody attended his funeral.

Amadeus, the movie, was made from material supplied from the case history of court composer Solieri who went mad and died in a sanatarium.

Don Giavonni  might be Mozart's greatest work but it bombed as did a lot of his stuff.  He never caught on to the general public as a composer.  According to Herman Hesse:  "Mozart died young, poor and misunderstood.  "

Wrong.

Quote from: 2centsworth on March 10, 2019, 04:56:06 AM

I have no alts.  I think you mean alternative internet identities.    I have none.   I have not personally insulted anybody in here. 

I figure public figures are fair game.   Therefore my assault on the plagiarist Einstein.  The materialists in here refer to the prophets in the Bible as goat herders to be derogatory; they call Jesus a 'sky fairy' and they are entitled to their opinion which is fine.

I have nothing personal against anybody in here. 

I am opinionated, contentious and I hope provocative.  I do not believe these 3 traits make one a troll.  I have not personally insulted anybody (movements and public figures are fair game) nor resorted to glib put downs nor sarcasm nor vulgarity.  I have not made presumptions on anybody else's statements nor I have interpreted other's comments in the broadest sense of what  their words might imply.  I am not trying to trigger anybody.  I only present my opinions and we are all entitled to our viewpoints.

Some of you in here are assholes.  But, most of you are basically decent. 

I do believe there is such a thing as materialist dogma; there is such a thing as scientism.    Adherents to scientism can be just as fanatical and bigoted as any other religious zealot.

One can not say hardly anything against any group of people, no matter how horrible, that isn't true.  But when one starts to think that their group is superior that is hubris and that is a problem.  Hubris and dishonesty are the biggest problems in the human condition and far surpass ignorance as agencies of human misery.

Look in the mirror mate because all your judgements apply just as, much to yourself.

Also, you said you have never insulted anyone in one sentence then call some of us arseholes. Do you not see the hypocrisy?

"Look in the mirror mate because all your judgements apply just as, much to yourself. "  Nope.  You are wrong.  Unlike you I have been quite civil.  I do honestly think you need to see a counselor.    I've suffered from depression and it sucks.  I hope you find some relief.

"you said you have never insulted anyone in one sentence then call some of us arseholes."  You misquote me which is dishonest on your part.   If you read carefully I said. "personally insulted".  I also said that movements and public figures are fair game.  I afford you or any of my detractors the same rights.  I have insulted a lot of people by design.   But, not anybody in particular.   I am a believer in Jesus but I don't take it personally when people knock my religion even though it often implies that I and people who think like me are a lot of fools.

Some people in here are assholes:  Do you disagree?  I have been called lots of names since coming in here.  I don't take it personally.   

This website has a reputation for being a shill site.   I like to write but not enough to do it for a living.   So I post on websites like this.   This place has yet to ban me.  Youtube videos and  twitter have kicked me off.

I don't know what is true.  I do not know where the truth begins and the lies end.   We are all bombarded with propaganda.  I never claimed to know anything nor have I ever presented myself as an expert in any field.  In Plato's Dialogue Socrates was said to be "wise because he knew he was not wise."  Plato said that "all science is perception."   Shouldn't we question our own perception?

I think all decent people are looking for the truth.    I have grave doubts that science and technology are the correct path towards truth or a better world.  Science is a tool and as such it is limited in scope and application.  People don't really need it in order to be happy and healthy.   Science is not wisdom.   Scientists are not prophets nor are they the smartest people.  These are my observations and opinions.  I don't expect everybody to agree with me.   Maybe I am wrong. Maybe I am the dumbest person who ever lived.   But, even so, I am entitled to my opinion just like everybody else.

Think about this:  Smart people aren't always right;  stupid people aren't always wrong; and mentally ill people aren't always devoid of insight in their observations.

All people are prone to mental/emotional problems as well as just plain old stupidity, even the smartest and strongest among us.

I have learned to love myself warts and all.  You should try to do the same. 

Why don't you look in the mirror?

Quote from: 2centsworth on March 10, 2019, 04:24:47 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 09, 2019, 07:00:05 AM

Quote from: 2centsworth on March 09, 2019, 02:25:18 AM

Fame often comes from displaying great talent.   van Gogh wasn't famous.  There are artists like van Gogh and Mozart who didn't become famous until after they were dead.  They had hard lives!

I am not confusing anything at all.

Mozart was very famous when he was alive.

Mozart was famous as a child entertainer.    His music didn't catch on with the public as he got older.  He died poor and was buried in a mass grave with paupers.  No one knows where Mozart is buried.  Hardly anybody attended his funeral.

Amadeus, the movie, was made from material supplied from the case history of court composer Solieri who went mad and died in a sanatarium.

Don Giavonni  might be Mozart's greatest work but it bombed as did a lot of his stuff.  He never caught on to the general public as a composer.  According to Herman Hesse:  "Mozart died young, poor and misunderstood.  "

Wrong.

What exactly did I say that was wrong? 

I just read wiki.   They said Mozart was buried in a 'common' grave.  No one knows where exactly but they do give the name of the cemetary.  He did have debts and finance problems but towards the end of his life some of his stuff was selling.  I got my information from Herman Hesse and the movie Amadeaus which according to movie promo came from Soleiri's case history.  I have also been told the same things from music professors from whom I took classes.

Maybe I am wrong.   But, I don't think so.  Mozart had a hard life and much of his stuff was rejected by the public.  He most certainly had money problems and he most certainly died young.

I have learned to love myself warts and all.  You should try to do the same. 

Sorry, warts are a deal breaker.

Quote from: 2centsworth on March 10, 2019, 05:55:33 AM

I have learned to love myself warts and all.  You should try to do the same. 

Sorry, warts are a deal breaker.

I am sure the most beautiful and elegant female that ever lived would have a few warts.  Our imperfections are what make us loveable.

I had a music instructor tell me once that there is no such thing as a perfect performance.   He said that living beings have blemishes but corpses do not.  As a musician I consider this the best advice I ever received.

Now, what about the crying angel?

Amadeus is a movie, not the best source. Mozart was one of the better known and beloved musicians of the time (by the aristocracy of Vienna of course, not the "general public", since all these musicians we know about now are known because they performed for the aristocracy and were inaccessible to the common people), and he made quite a bit of money. The issue is that he was really bad at managing his money, so he had lots of debts towards the end of his life. Also, he was buried in a communal grave because that was the norm for people who didn't belong in the aristocracy of Vienna at the time. The idea that the way he was buried indicates lack of fame or appreciation stems from trying to project modern understandings of these things to 18th century Vienna.

Amadeus is a movie, not the best source. Mozart was one of the better known and beloved musicians of the time (by the aristocracy of Vienna of course, not the "general public", since all these musicians we know about now are known because they performed for the aristocracy and were inaccessible to the common people), and he made quite a bit of money. The issue is that he was really bad at managing his money, so he had lots of debts towards the end of his life. Also, he was buried in a communal grave because that was the norm for people who didn't belong in the aristocracy of Vienna at the time. The idea that the way he was buried indicates lack of fame or appreciation stems from trying to project modern understandings of these things to 18th century Vienna.

Your information on funeral customs of Vienna at the time is true from what I have read.   Herman Hesse in Steppenwolf said that Mozart died poor, young and misunderstood.   Mozart died mad.   George Bernard Shaw described Mozart's life as a nightmare (I paraphrase).  I read about Mozart having a hard life from an essay written by Shaw.  Every thing I read or heard about Mozart since then confirms what Shaw said about him.  I read it a long time ago.  I can't find it now.   Shaw loved Mozart and Don Giovanni was one of Shaw's favorite works.  Money problems plagued Mozart most of his life.   Many critics of the time were not kind to him.  There were more popular composers who were more commercially successful.   

I think I got it right.  He did have money problems.  He did have a small funeral with a very few attendees and nobody can show you where he was buried.

I understand movies take dramatic license out of necessity.  But, at heart, I think the movie is true. 

Here is a quote from wiki on the death of Mozart contemporary Haydn:  "Haydn's remains were interred in the local Hundsturm cemetery until 1820, when they were moved to Eisenstadt by Prince Nikolaus. His head took a different journey; it was stolen by phrenologists shortly after burial, and the skull was reunited with the other remains only in 1954. "

People know where Haydn is buried.   Haydn also had a memorial service.   Haydn also had money problems as do most musicians but somehow he died with more pomp and circumstance.  Haydn was not of the gentry.   

I did not get anything wrong.

I wanted to add that Mozart's requiem was performed at Haydn's mermorial service.  That would entail a chorus and small orchestra at the very least.  It must have been a lavish affair in spite of the fact that Haydn was from the working class.  Unlike Mozart, Haydn got treated like a somebody.  Hayden died about 9 yrs after Mozart.

I rest my case!

A wort is a symptom of something more insidious.