Brexit

How will brexit impact flat earth?
I think after brexit the truth that the earth is flat will finally come out. The british economy will collapse and they won't have the funds to continue the cover up and it will slowly start to unravel. This is one of the reasons why I voted for Brexit.

UK will be fine. I'd be worried about the EU.

UK will be fine.

Current advice from the government is to stockpile tinned food. Don't bet on it.

Give the OP this, they are making more sense than most arguments for brexit.

That's because your government doesn't actually want to act on the vote.


There will be market volatility until new lines of supply and trade agreements are solidified. It's really not the end of the world. There is no sudden global shortage of supply or production of any commodity/product resulting from Brexit. It just takes time for the dust to settle.


Tariffs were going to destroy the US's economy over night, too, about a year ago, and yet, here we are.

The EU are pissed because they just lost one of the world super powers from their ranks and it may embolden others to do the same. Naturally they want to make it sound like doomsday and inject a lot of fake news to scare people from thinking of doing it

They have an agenda to make sure the UK does as bad as possible. They don't actually have to make it hard for them.

Brexit also makes it harder for a one world government. You have a nuclear power country that has 54 countries comprising of 2.3 billion people under its own commonwealth that told the EU to F U.

The EU needed the UK a hell of a lot more than the UK needs the EU

I'm going to mosey this thread onto pr&s.

The EU are pissed because they just lost one of the world super powers from their ranks and it may embolden others to do the same. Naturally they want to make it sound like doomsday and inject a lot of fake news to scare people from thinking of doing it

They have an agenda to make sure the UK does as bad as possible. They don't actually have to make it hard for them.

Brexit also makes it harder for a one world government. You have a nuclear power country that has 54 countries comprising of 2.3 billion people under its own commonwealth that told the EU to F U.

The EU needed the UK a hell of a lot more than the UK needs the EU

You overestimate how much the EU needed the UK lol. The UK was a pretty inconsistent member, their status was always kind of... shaky and they're no longer the superpower they used to be. But of course the EU is trying to punish them because they don't want others to follow their example, but it's not because they desperately need the UK in the union.

I don't understand where the 2.4 billion people thing comes from.

I don't understand where the 2.4 billion people thing comes from.

The amount of people in 'the commonwealth'

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I don't understand where the 2.4 billion people thing comes from.

The amount of people in 'the commonwealth'

What commonwealth? It's not the 19th century anymore...

They have an agenda to make sure the UK does as bad as possible. They don't actually have to make it hard for them.

But it's pretty well known that they were going to anyway. This isn't an unexpected situation.
Our government's making it pretty hard to. Taken this long for them to actually bother negotiating or planning a deal.

There will be market volatility until new lines of supply and trade agreements are solidified. It's really not the end of the world. There is no sudden global shortage of supply or production of any commodity/product resulting from Brexit. It just takes time for the dust to settle.

Yep, and who do you think we have to trade with, thus meaning we have to follow basically all the same rules and regulations we would have otherwise, only with zero say over what they are and none of the benefits.
Sure, not the end of the world for everyone. Still means a huge swathe of the country is going to need to do without food and medicine for an yes yet unknown period of time.

Quote from: Shifter on February 10, 2019, 01:40:36 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk

I don't understand where the 2.4 billion people thing comes from.

The amount of people in 'the commonwealth'

What commonwealth? It's not the 19th century anymore...

What commonwealth? Are you serious? Read about the world around you

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 10, 2019, 01:47:27 AM

Quote from: Shifter on February 10, 2019, 01:40:36 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk

I don't understand where the 2.4 billion people thing comes from.

The amount of people in 'the commonwealth'

What commonwealth? It's not the 19th century anymore...

What commonwealth? Are you serious? Read about the world around you

I'm serious, tell me, what the hell is this commonwealth gonna do? The UK is no longer an empire or whatever, the countries are not subjugated to it, it's not a superpower, it's a country, what the hell is the "commonwealth" gonna do? The commonwealth is just a symbolic club, they don't even have trade deals. The EU is an actual union with institutions and obligations. The EU doesn't give a fuck if any individual country leaves, unless that country is Germany or France or whatever. The damage done to the UK is much greater than the damage done to the EU. How it actually does damage the EU is that it sets a precedent for countries leaving it, that's the main issue.

Quote from: Shifter on February 10, 2019, 02:50:11 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 10, 2019, 01:47:27 AM

Quote from: Shifter on February 10, 2019, 01:40:36 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk

I don't understand where the 2.4 billion people thing comes from.

The amount of people in 'the commonwealth'

What commonwealth? It's not the 19th century anymore...

What commonwealth? Are you serious? Read about the world around you

I'm serious, tell me, what the hell is this commonwealth gonna do? The UK is no longer an empire or whatever, the countries are not subjugated to it, it's not a superpower, it's a country, what the hell is the "commonwealth" gonna do? The commonwealth is just a symbolic club, they don't even have trade deals. The EU is an actual union with institutions and obligations. The EU doesn't give a fuck if any individual country leaves, unless that country is Germany or France or whatever. The damage done to the UK is much greater than the damage done to the EU. How it actually does damage the EU is that it sets a precedent for countries leaving it, that's the main issue.

If Hungary wanted to leave, it would not be a huge deal. The UK is the crown jewel.

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 10, 2019, 02:55:04 AM

Quote from: Shifter on February 10, 2019, 02:50:11 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 10, 2019, 01:47:27 AM

Quote from: Shifter on February 10, 2019, 01:40:36 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk

I don't understand where the 2.4 billion people thing comes from.

The amount of people in 'the commonwealth'

What commonwealth? It's not the 19th century anymore...

What commonwealth? Are you serious? Read about the world around you

I'm serious, tell me, what the hell is this commonwealth gonna do? The UK is no longer an empire or whatever, the countries are not subjugated to it, it's not a superpower, it's a country, what the hell is the "commonwealth" gonna do? The commonwealth is just a symbolic club, they don't even have trade deals. The EU is an actual union with institutions and obligations. The EU doesn't give a fuck if any individual country leaves, unless that country is Germany or France or whatever. The damage done to the UK is much greater than the damage done to the EU. How it actually does damage the EU is that it sets a precedent for countries leaving it, that's the main issue.

If Hungary wanted to leave, it would not be a huge deal. The UK is the crown jewel.

It isn't by a long shot lol. They're not as important as you seem to think, and even if they were they were always kind of inconsistent and not very commited, and they weren't even in the eurozone. The "crown jewel" is Germany. Brexit really isn't that big a deal about the EU materially, some big UK businesses are even leaving the country and coming into the EU. The issue is the precedent it sets.

Quote from: Pezevenk

I don't understand where the 2.4 billion people thing comes from.

The amount of people in 'the commonwealth'

The commonwealth?  lol

Quote from: Shifter on February 10, 2019, 01:40:36 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk

I don't understand where the 2.4 billion people thing comes from.

The amount of people in 'the commonwealth'

The commonwealth?  lol

You never heard of either huh?

Quote from: Ski on February 09, 2019, 06:13:29 PM

There will be market volatility until new lines of supply and trade agreements are solidified. It's really not the end of the world. There is no sudden global shortage of supply or production of any commodity/product resulting from Brexit. It just takes time for the dust to settle.

Yep, and who do you think we have to trade with, thus meaning we have to follow basically all the same rules and regulations we would have otherwise, only with zero say over what they are and none of the benefits.
Sure, not the end of the world for everyone. Still means a huge swathe of the country is going to need to do without food and medicine for an yes yet unknown period of time.

International trade cuts both ways. You always have a say in international trade. You can buy ag products from anywhere. The UK market represents one-in-seven of total German vehicle production.  Farmers in France and Spain will have to offload their produce on the international market to whomever was shortchanged by the UK's decision to buy elsewhere at a price point below their current sales.  Those both represent major political/economic factions in their respective states. There will be just as much pressure on EU-member governments to find a reasonable trade agreement as within the UK.  There will be market instability in the short term, until all that sorts. If they don't reach an agreement, the UK buys elsewhere. Noone is going to starve in the UK, though prices will likely rise short-term absent an agreement. If the UK reaches agreements outside the EU instead, the EU is the biggest loset because of the trade imbalance.  Both sides will be pushing for an agreement.

I am not going to pretend to be all up to date on European politics, but, when I first heard about Brexit 2 or 3 or 5 years ago or whatever, I thought it was a joke.  And, when I heard that people were calling for a revote, I knew it was a joke. 

Quote from: Shifter on February 09, 2019, 09:27:25 PM

They have an agenda to make sure the UK does as bad as possible. They don't actually have to make it hard for them.

But it's pretty well known that they were going to anyway. This isn't an unexpected situation.
Our government's making it pretty hard to. Taken this long for them to actually bother negotiating or planning a deal.

Quote from: Ski on February 09, 2019, 06:13:29 PM

There will be market volatility until new lines of supply and trade agreements are solidified. It's really not the end of the world. There is no sudden global shortage of supply or production of any commodity/product resulting from Brexit. It just takes time for the dust to settle.

Yep, and who do you think we have to trade with, thus meaning we have to follow basically all the same rules and regulations we would have otherwise, only with zero say over what they are and none of the benefits.
Sure, not the end of the world for everyone. Still means a huge swathe of the country is going to need to do without food and medicine for an yes yet unknown period of time.

I don't know what the problem is. You have a non binding resolution based on false pretenses and propoganda which yields the country nothing but costs it dearly.

Can't the queen just step in and say something queenly like "yo dawg, I'm the queen and I'm saying fuck all this noise. I'm canceling this bullshit and we're returning to feudalism. Queen out. Peace."

I think that's how the queen talks.

Quote from: Jane on February 10, 2019, 02:46:31 AM

Quote from: Shifter on February 09, 2019, 09:27:25 PM

They have an agenda to make sure the UK does as bad as possible. They don't actually have to make it hard for them.

But it's pretty well known that they were going to anyway. This isn't an unexpected situation.
Our government's making it pretty hard to. Taken this long for them to actually bother negotiating or planning a deal.

Quote from: Ski on February 09, 2019, 06:13:29 PM

There will be market volatility until new lines of supply and trade agreements are solidified. It's really not the end of the world. There is no sudden global shortage of supply or production of any commodity/product resulting from Brexit. It just takes time for the dust to settle.

Yep, and who do you think we have to trade with, thus meaning we have to follow basically all the same rules and regulations we would have otherwise, only with zero say over what they are and none of the benefits.
Sure, not the end of the world for everyone. Still means a huge swathe of the country is going to need to do without food and medicine for an yes yet unknown period of time.

I don't know what the problem is. You have a non binding resolution based on false pretenses and propoganda which yields the country nothing but costs it dearly.

Can't the queen just step in and say something queenly like "yo dawg, I'm the queen and I'm saying fuck all this noise. I'm canceling this bullshit and we're returning to feudalism. Queen out. Peace."

I think that's how the queen talks.

Not pompous enough

Brexit was run in parallel to Trumps election operation.  They are both intertwined, and the players are the same.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/02/18/private-mossad-for-hire

Quote from: Jane on February 10, 2019, 02:46:31 AM

Quote from: Shifter on February 09, 2019, 09:27:25 PM

They have an agenda to make sure the UK does as bad as possible. They don't actually have to make it hard for them.

But it's pretty well known that they were going to anyway. This isn't an unexpected situation.
Our government's making it pretty hard to. Taken this long for them to actually bother negotiating or planning a deal.

Quote from: Ski on February 09, 2019, 06:13:29 PM

There will be market volatility until new lines of supply and trade agreements are solidified. It's really not the end of the world. There is no sudden global shortage of supply or production of any commodity/product resulting from Brexit. It just takes time for the dust to settle.

Yep, and who do you think we have to trade with, thus meaning we have to follow basically all the same rules and regulations we would have otherwise, only with zero say over what they are and none of the benefits.
Sure, not the end of the world for everyone. Still means a huge swathe of the country is going to need to do without food and medicine for an yes yet unknown period of time.

I don't know what the problem is. You have a non binding resolution based on false pretenses and propoganda which yields the country nothing but costs it dearly.

Can't the queen just step in and say something queenly like "yo dawg, I'm the queen and I'm saying fuck all this noise. I'm canceling this bullshit and we're returning to feudalism. Queen out. Peace."

I think that's how the queen talks.

The issue is that they don't know how to properly handle these situations. In our referendum, our prime minister got the result he pretended to want but knew that he couldn't follow it through, so he pretended to not ignore the outcome while completely ignoring it. They should have asked him for advice on how to do that.

The issue is that they don't know how to properly handle these situations. In our referendum, our prime minister got the result he pretended to want but knew that he couldn't follow it through, so he pretended to not ignore the outcome while completely ignoring it. They should have asked him for advice on how to do that.

It wasn't even a binding referendum, which was how they got away with not presenting any actual consistent plan for what they were going to do at the start. It was meant to just gauge public opinion, there were under no obligation to follow through, especially not when it came out that the leave campaign broke electoral law.

Quote from: Crouton on February 11, 2019, 07:28:59 PM

Quote from: Jane on February 10, 2019, 02:46:31 AM

Quote from: Shifter on February 09, 2019, 09:27:25 PM

They have an agenda to make sure the UK does as bad as possible. They don't actually have to make it hard for them.

But it's pretty well known that they were going to anyway. This isn't an unexpected situation.
Our government's making it pretty hard to. Taken this long for them to actually bother negotiating or planning a deal.

Quote from: Ski on February 09, 2019, 06:13:29 PM

There will be market volatility until new lines of supply and trade agreements are solidified. It's really not the end of the world. There is no sudden global shortage of supply or production of any commodity/product resulting from Brexit. It just takes time for the dust to settle.

Yep, and who do you think we have to trade with, thus meaning we have to follow basically all the same rules and regulations we would have otherwise, only with zero say over what they are and none of the benefits.
Sure, not the end of the world for everyone. Still means a huge swathe of the country is going to need to do without food and medicine for an yes yet unknown period of time.

I don't know what the problem is. You have a non binding resolution based on false pretenses and propoganda which yields the country nothing but costs it dearly.

Can't the queen just step in and say something queenly like "yo dawg, I'm the queen and I'm saying fuck all this noise. I'm canceling this bullshit and we're returning to feudalism. Queen out. Peace."

I think that's how the queen talks.

The issue is that they don't know how to properly handle these situations. In our referendum, our prime minister got the result he pretended to want but knew that he couldn't follow it through, so he pretended to not ignore the outcome while completely ignoring it. They should have asked him for advice on how to do that.

I sort of think they might be going that route. No sane person in their government wants to go through with this. If I'm understanding this right, they're on a course for a 'Hard Brexit' which would be an utter disaster.  The longer they draw that out and the public sobers up the less of a political hit they'll take in just calling the whole thing off or postponing it indefinitely.

Can someone please just execute all the tories? You'll be much better off without them.

I sort of think they might be going that route. No sane person in their government wants to go through with this. If I'm understanding this right, they're on a course for a 'Hard Brexit' which would be an utter disaster.  The longer they draw that out and the public sobers up the less of a political hit they'll take in just calling the whole thing off or postponing it indefinitely.

From what I've heard it's a bit late now, they're probably gonna have to go ahead with it. Not sure though.

I sort of think they might be going that route. No sane person in their government wants to go through with this. If I'm understanding this right, they're on a course for a 'Hard Brexit' which would be an utter disaster.  The longer they draw that out and the public sobers up the less of a political hit they'll take in just calling the whole thing off or postponing it indefinitely.

You are vastly overestimating the sobriety of the british public. The vote as it was was close (with far from a 100% turn-out), and given how many people voted for protest reasons beyond actually wanting it or were sold on lies who who didn't want a no-deal brexit... it's pretty much established that the number of people that want this is a minority, but enough fear and hatred has been stoked that there will be chaos from them if the government drags it out this long and then backs out.
As far as people in the government go, you're overestimating their sanity. Tories are led by Theresa May who got handed control of a burning car and decided what was really needed was gasoline, and the main opposition is currently led by Corbyn who's pretty much only in power because of a borderline cult of personality and had to kick out half of the party to keep power so he's hardly, well, opposing...
Add into that the BBC adopting the policy that brexit's a done deal and just straight-up not reporting on the controversies and opposition...

At this point what people are asking for is not cancellation, but rather a people's vote now that everyone's more informed about the consequences. Do they want a no-deal brexit, do they want a softer brexit and if so what deal, or do they want to stay?
That'd be the safe way out for them, especially given Farage (guy behind the first referendum) said he'd be campaigning for a second vote if it was as close as it was and he lost, but nope, they're apparently committed to disaster.

There's no way this doesn't end badly.

Lol if "protest voting" is justified in your case, what the hell are we supposed to do?

It will be interesting to see the parallels emerge between the Brexit and Trump campaigns, as the Democrat enquiry gets underway.

https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1102705883564466181

I hear rumors that Nigel Farage is about to get charged?

I hear rumors that Nigel Farage is about to get charged?

This jacket should have got him locked up for life