Your thoughts on Elon musk?

I just saw three ads on Twitter, two of them were for toys from companies I've never heard of, and one was for Kindle. The other advertisers will come back eventually. The msm is still super pissed about losing their hold over Twitter, but they'll get over that eventually, too.

JJA, we're not agreeing with you. You are retarted.

Lefty weirdos calling for the genocide of Jews, and joking that Hitler was right seems to be about par for the course when it comes to university student support for Palestine. They don't even fucking know which river or which sea they're chanting about.

Also, Community Notes is making Twitter great again. Anyone can get a note, including Elon Musk, and sometimes it is hilarious to see their reactions. For example, Elon got one on a post yesterday and accused "state actors" of gaming the system. HIS SYSTEM.

I just saw three ads on Twitter, two of them were for toys from companies I've never heard of, and one was for Kindle. The other advertisers will come back eventually. The msm is still super pissed about losing their hold over Twitter, but they'll get over that eventually, too.

Thanks for that very scientific anecdote.  Jebus you have fallen DEEP into the right wing rabbit hole.  Sad.

JJA, we're not agreeing with you. You are retarted.

I said companies want to sell stuff to the majority, and JackBlack agreed they want our money and you said Exactly.

Yes, you are agreeing.  Please read the conversation again. 

Are you feeling all right?  Maybe you should sit down and take a breather.

Lefty weirdos calling for the genocide of Jews, and joking that Hitler was right seems to be about par for the course when it comes to university student support for Palestine. They don't even fucking know which river or which sea they're chanting about.

Thanks a second time for an referenced claim that someone somewhere said a thing and now the left wing likes Hitler and the right totes aren't at all into white supremacy or praising NAZIs.   All righty.

Claiming the left is MORE into Hitler when you have literal NAZIs and white supremacists marching openly in the streets for Trump and Republicans is kind of crazy. Like, flat earth conspiracy crazy. Which I suppose shouldn't surprise me.

Also, Community Notes is making Twitter great again. Anyone can get a note, including Elon Musk, and sometimes it is hilarious to see their reactions. For example, Elon got one on a post yesterday and accused "state actors" of gaming the system. HIS SYSTEM.

I saw that.  He made a post full of lies, got called out on it and made some vague accusations that it's the gubment doing it and he's gonna get em. We will see how long the community notes feature lasts.  I'm assuming he's already working on silently blocking it behind the scenes.

Advertisers aren't coming back. There is a reason McDonalds never advertised on Parler and why Truth Social is a wasteland.  Conservatives just yell real loud but are not the majority, at least in the US. Haven't been for a very long time.

Guys, you're agreeing with what I said.  Read my post more carefully.

"companies want to sell stuff to the most people they can"

I said advertisers don't want to be associated with stuff that is a turn off to the majority.  I never said they care about the actual positions.  They would be putting Hitler next to their products if wanting to murder Jews was a majority view.

Luckily it's not.  Neither is hating gays.  Those are minority positions.

No, we aren't.
The point is that they don't care if it is next to a majority or minority position.
They care that people see their ads and buy their crap.
They pretend to care when it is next to something "bad", to pretend to care about that thing to avoid looking bad and avoid getting boycotted for "not caring".

No idea where this particular bit of insanity is coming from.  I'm going to take a wild guess and say it has something to do with sympathizing with Palestinians? Because god forbid you your sympathy crosses a border and you feel bad for everyone who is suffering.

Are you sure it is insanity if you got it so quickly.
Yes, people are defending a region which is currently ruled by terrorists, who invaded and attacked another region, that calls for the destruction of Israel (i.e. a country currently controlled by Jews with a large Jewish population), and which has expressed its ideology as a struggle against Jews. A terrorist group that carries out attacks against Israeli civilians.
So people defending a group that wants to wipe out the Jews (at least in Israel).
And you think it is insane to link that back to Hitler?

The main distinctions are that Hitler had a lot more power, and wanted an Aryan race in control (which he wasn't even part of) while Hamas wants Islam in control. Oh, and I don't think Hitler hid weapons in schools like Hamas does.

You know it’s possible to feel sympathy for a people that have been stripped of their rights and homeland, corralled into giant prison camps, and systematically bombed the shit out of, as well as citizens abducted raped and murdered over the border.

It’s also possible to think that the regime that corrals, strips rights and bombs the shit out of people is fully as bad as the murderers and rapists and that both are locked into a spiralling dance of prejudice and death that can only lead to either the complete annihilation of one side and the dehumanisation of the other, or they speak to each other, and through all of this vileness, blame and slaughter there are decent loving families on both sides wishing it was different.

Also, Community Notes is making Twitter great again. Anyone can get a note, including Elon Musk, and sometimes it is hilarious to see their reactions. For example, Elon got one on a post yesterday and accused "state actors" of gaming the system. HIS SYSTEM.

Yeah, then made some deranged comment about it being a honey pot before enabling God Mode and removing the community note altogether.

Obviously some people's speech is freer than others.

Apparently seeing ads on Twitter is a right wing rabbit hole! Who knew? Those tricksy rabbit holes are everywhere.

I still see the Community Notes on all his posts about Gonzalo Lira, and his post about state actors gaming the system. His fans probably gamed the system by voting them unhelpful, and then the Community Notes people probably fixed it and made the notes visible again. They do have something in place to combat that sort of thing, but it's been too long since I read about it and I don't feel like looking it up again.

Quote from: JJA on December 11, 2023, 01:00:09 PM

Guys, you're agreeing with what I said.  Read my post more carefully.

"companies want to sell stuff to the most people they can"

I said advertisers don't want to be associated with stuff that is a turn off to the majority.  I never said they care about the actual positions.  They would be putting Hitler next to their products if wanting to murder Jews was a majority view.

Luckily it's not.  Neither is hating gays.  Those are minority positions.

No, we aren't.
The point is that they don't care if it is next to a majority or minority position.
They care that people see their ads and buy their crap.
They pretend to care when it is next to something "bad", to pretend to care about that thing to avoid looking bad and avoid getting boycotted for "not caring".

I'm not sure how my point isn't getting across here.

Aren't we saying the same thing?

I'm saying companies pander to the majority because they want to sell to the most number of people. If an ad shows up next to something that makes the majority of people not buy their product, they will stop advertising there.  I'm not saying majority in any moral sense, I'm saying it in the literal sense, there are simply MORE people as potential customers that dislike gay hate and extreme right wing politics.

I never said companies care if something is good or bad, I said they care about making the most sales, and the most money. That means reaching the most people, and not offending the majority.

If the majority of Americans loved Hitler, companies would absolutely put his picture next to their products.  No doubt there.

I completely agree most companies don't care about good or evil, right or wrong. They care about selling products.

Isn't this agreeing?  What do you think I'm saying?

Quote from: JJA on December 11, 2023, 01:00:09 PM

No idea where this particular bit of insanity is coming from.  I'm going to take a wild guess and say it has something to do with sympathizing with Palestinians? Because god forbid you your sympathy crosses a border and you feel bad for everyone who is suffering.

Are you sure it is insanity if you got it so quickly.
Yes, people are defending a region which is currently ruled by terrorists, who invaded and attacked another region, that calls for the destruction of Israel (i.e. a country currently controlled by Jews with a large Jewish population), and which has expressed its ideology as a struggle against Jews. A terrorist group that carries out attacks against Israeli civilians.
So people defending a group that wants to wipe out the Jews (at least in Israel).
And you think it is insane to link that back to Hitler?

The main distinctions are that Hitler had a lot more power, and wanted an Aryan race in control (which he wasn't even part of) while Hamas wants Islam in control. Oh, and I don't think Hitler hid weapons in schools like Hamas does.

Yes it's insanity to equate sympathy for humans suffering as support for murdering people.

I can't say what "people" are defending. People defend a lot of stuff. You can find terrible quotes about any subject.

All I can say is that for me personally, I feel terrible for innocent people getting killed.  Doesn't matter if that innocent person is standing next to an evil person who deserves it, innocent lives lost are still tragic. Doesn't matter which side of the border they are on, it's all tragic.

I loathe Hamas and detest them for their tactics and their murder of innocent Israelis who did nothing wrong. Doesn't mean I can't also feel bad for the innocent Palestinians dying who have no choice, nowhere to go, and also didn't do anything wrong.

It's not immoral to feel bad for suffering on both sides.  I wish the people causing the death on both sides were gone, but they are both perpetuating the violence and killing and it's unlikely to stop within any of our lifetimes. Not unless one side wipes the other out entirely, and that would be a terrible thing no matter which side it happens to.

Apparently seeing ads on Twitter is a right wing rabbit hole! Who knew? Those tricksy rabbit holes are everywhere.

Falling into the tran-hating crowd is the rabbit hole.  The right-wing has been pushing that agenda pretty hard, portraying Biden's luke warm embrace of gay rights as a wedge issue.

It's history repeating itself as I see it.  Nixon famously invited all the racists from the Democratic party to the Republican side, gaining the support of the south. A good trade, we lost some votes and elections but got rid of unwanted baggage.

It's happening again now, but this time the GOP and Trump team are inviting all the anti-tran people from the Democratic party to join them.  I say good riddance. 

Oh no.  Terrible news. The woke mind virus has infected Grok.

https://knowyourmeme.com/news/conservatives-are-worrying-that-elons-grok-ai-has-gone-woke-after-it-said-that-trans-women-are-real-women

Tim Pool is vigorously attempted to deprogram it but it might be too late.

Oh no.  Terrible news. The woke mind virus has infected Grok.

https://knowyourmeme.com/news/conservatives-are-worrying-that-elons-grok-ai-has-gone-woke-after-it-said-that-trans-women-are-real-women

Probably because it seems to have just been trained on ChatGPT outputs.

I liked its roast of Elon though.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on December 12, 2023, 06:09:43 AM

Apparently seeing ads on Twitter is a right wing rabbit hole! Who knew? Those tricksy rabbit holes are everywhere.

Falling into the tran-hating crowd is the rabbit hole.  The right-wing has been pushing that agenda pretty hard, portraying Biden's luke warm embrace of gay rights as a wedge issue.

It's history repeating itself as I see it.  Nixon famously invited all the racists from the Democratic party to the Republican side, gaining the support of the south. A good trade, we lost some votes and elections but got rid of unwanted baggage.

It's happening again now, but this time the GOP and Trump team are inviting all the anti-tran people from the Democratic party to join them.  I say good riddance.

WTF does "tran-hating" have to do with me seeing ads for toys and Kindle on Twitter? For some reason after I said I'd seen ads on Twitter, you thanked me for a scientific anecdote. Then you accuse me of falling down a "tran-hating" rabbit hole. You don't make any sense at all.

Anyway, I was part of the gender critical crowd long before the right-wing paid any attention to it. You may have only heard about it after Matt Walsh exposed some of the loons, but women were already campaigning against violent men being housed in female prisons, and women were already rallying around stopping the medicalization of healthy teenagers. None of it has anything to do with "tran-hating", most of the men claiming to be trans are just perverted weirdos (like this guy https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-67650988 ).  These creeps should be allowed to wear a wig while they jerk off, but they can't force me to call them Melissa!

I'm not sure how my point isn't getting across here.
Aren't we saying the same thing?

No, we aren't.
You are saying they want to sell to the majority, to sell to the greatest number of people, with the implication that that means they only want their ads to show up next to things the majority would approve of.
I'm saying they want to sell to everyone, and don't give a damn what their ads show up next to.
Even if the majority think a right wing, homophobic, racist, sexist paedophile is bad; that they would still be happy for their ads to show up next to their videos or tweets and so on.
What they don't like is part of the majority seeing that and getting upset, and which point they will typically be reactionary to that.
But for the most part, the majority wont be seeing it, so they wont care.
So if there wasn't so much media attention on X, they will be happy to advertise next to any vile filth.

That is the distinction.
That you think that they will only want to have their ads next to what the majority approve of, and would object to having their ads next to things the majority wouldn't approve of.
I think that they are happy having their ads next to anything, and will only care if there is enough media attention on their ads being next to things the majority doesn't approve of.

i.e. I'm saying they are happy for their ads to be next to things most people would find abhorrent,

Yes it's insanity to equate sympathy for humans suffering as support for murdering people.

Because it isn't merely sympathy for humans suffering.
It goes well beyond that, such as blaming Israel for all the deaths caused by Hamas, including the deaths of innocent people.
They don't want to recognise the terrorism of Hamas as terrorism. They are defending it.

It's not immoral to feel bad for suffering on both sides.  I wish the people causing the death on both sides were gone, but they are both perpetuating the violence and killing and it's unlikely to stop within any of our lifetimes. Not unless one side wipes the other out entirely, and that would be a terrible thing no matter which side it happens to.

The issues is that a lot of people are not.
A lot of people side one way or the other, in the extreme.
Either fully blaming Israel, caring about all the Palestinians killed, and not giving a damn about the Israelis killed; or the vastly less popular side of blaming Hamas for everything and not caring about the innocent Palestinians killed.

The majority are not simply calling for an end to the conflict. They are picking a side. And a lot of the left, are the picking the side of terrorists that want to exterminate the Jews.

Hey Spacey! Pick on your own weirdos, leave our weirdos alone.

None of it has anything to do with "tran-hating", most of the men claiming to be trans are just perverted weirdos (like this guy https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-67650988 ).  These creeps should be allowed to wear a wig while they jerk off, but they can't force me to call them Melissa!

Ok boomer.

Quote from: JJA on December 12, 2023, 06:26:38 AM

I'm not sure how my point isn't getting across here.
Aren't we saying the same thing?

No, we aren't.
You are saying they want to sell to the majority, to sell to the greatest number of people, with the implication that that means they only want their ads to show up next to things the majority would approve of.
I'm saying they want to sell to everyone, and don't give a damn what their ads show up next to.
Even if the majority think a right wing, homophobic, racist, sexist paedophile is bad; that they would still be happy for their ads to show up next to their videos or tweets and so on.
What they don't like is part of the majority seeing that and getting upset, and which point they will typically be reactionary to that.
But for the most part, the majority wont be seeing it, so they wont care.
So if there wasn't so much media attention on X, they will be happy to advertise next to any vile filth.

That is an extremely razor thin line you're drawing there.

We are both saying that companies want to make as much money as possible and sell to as many people as possible.

I'm not entirely sure what distinction you're trying to make here.  Something about it's the media's fault for reporting on X's bad content and... I'm not sure. 

Look at how hard But Light pulled away from promoting a single trans person when the backlash hit. Is that "the media" again, or is it the right wing freaking out and making Bud panic?

Doesn't matter if the left or right has a freakout, companies are going to shy away from anything that generates controversy.

Either fully blaming Israel, caring about all the Palestinians killed, and not giving a damn about the Israelis killed; or the vastly less popular side of blaming Hamas for everything and not caring about the innocent Palestinians killed.

The majority are not simply calling for an end to the conflict. They are picking a side. And a lot of the left, are the picking the side of terrorists that want to exterminate the Jews.

Again I'm going to disagree here.  I have a lot of left wing friends and family and groups and none of them, literally none of them are supporting Hamas terrorists.  None of them want Israel destroyed.  None of them want to see any Isralies die.  None of them want to see the rockets hit apartment buildings.  None of them want to see Israel fall. None.

Picking which side you think is more at fault does NOT mean you support the murderers on the other side.  I can choose which side I think is more at fault and still want them both to stop the killing.

Maybe your leftist friends are saying otherwise but that's not the case in any groups I engage with.  Not saying nobody is supporting the terrorists, some people clearly ARE but to try and claim this is a majority opinion of the Democratic party is insane.  A college student saying something ignorant and stupid isn't anything new here, there are always plenty of them.

If you have any polls or actual data to support the majority of Democrats support actual terrorists, please say so.  Otherwise it's just your experiences verses mine, and I see a very different world than you do.

Hey Spacey! Pick on your own weirdos, leave our weirdos alone.

Our weirdos and your weirdos should fight in the Thunderdome!

A dingo the media ate my baby!

Is this the medias fault again?  Poor Musk. 

Who would have thunk that turning Twitter from a cesspool to a raging dumpster fire racist cesspool would have consequences.

Yes, because they've convinced you that you need a babysitter.

Netflix is back https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/netflix-resumes-advertising-x-elon-194515211.html

Is this the medias fault again?  Poor Musk. 

Who would have thunk that turning Twitter from a cesspool to a raging dumpster fire racist cesspool would have consequences.

At least in part, because they are happily throwing more fuel on that dumpster fire.

Quote from: JJA on December 15, 2023, 02:38:34 PM

Is this the medias fault again?  Poor Musk. 

Who would have thunk that turning Twitter from a cesspool to a raging dumpster fire racist cesspool would have consequences.

At least in part, because they are happily throwing more fuel on that dumpster fire.

Who is throwing fuel on the fire here. The media? How exactly are they responsible for a company pulling out from Twitter because they were getting flooded by racist comments on their advertising? Did "the media" make those comments? Racists made the comments, companies saw them and reacted.

Seems to me Musk is solely to blame here.

Let me ask you both a question.  Do you think we would be better off if "the media" just ignored racism like this?  Why is it ok for racists to spread their hate but somehow, reporting on it is bad?  What is so wrong with pointing out that Twitter is allowing racists to run rampant?

I think it would be better if the media treated other social media the same as they treat Twitter. I think it would be better if they stopped pretending that Twitter is flooded with racism now that Elon Musk took over, when it has always been a cesspit. Leftish media is anti Elon Musk because it gets clicks. They treat mean words on Twitter as if they are violence, but barely make a peep about csam on other platforms. They treat normal political discussions on Twitter as if they are hate speech when the people speaking disagree with the leftish party talking points. They've managed to convince so many of you that anyone who disagrees with you has gone down a right-wing rabbit hole. It's truly amazing.

Besides all that, they are pissed that they've lost their inside Twitter connections. They don't want people speaking freely. They don't want people to know how they manufacture consent. They don't want people to realize that they've completely lost any objectivity they had.

Before you accuse me of going down the right-wing rabbit hole - I have been aware that right-wing media is garbage for a long time. My disappointment with the rest of the media does not mean that I suddenly think Fox News is a beacon of truth. I do not want the media that I used to trust to become a dumpster fire. I want them to get their shit together. I realize I do not get what I want, but I can complain about it!

Also, pls think critically about how you are being manipulated into thinking every tweet Musk makes is vitally important.

Who is throwing fuel on the fire here. The media? How exactly are they responsible for a company pulling out from Twitter because they were getting flooded by racist comments on their advertising? Did "the media" make those comments? Racists made the comments, companies saw them and reacted.

Seems to me Musk is solely to blame here.

Let me ask you both a question.  Do you think we would be better off if "the media" just ignored racism like this?  Why is it ok for racists to spread their hate but somehow, reporting on it is bad?  What is so wrong with pointing out that Twitter is allowing racists to run rampant?

The question is why did they react so much?
Especially when such racism appears on loads of platforms and plenty goes unmoderated.
Because of the media that is continually fuelling the fire.
Also, seriously, Musk is solely to blame? Did he make the comments?
At best you get the racists are to blame.

As for media, yes, it would be better if the media just ignored it as it isn't newsworthy at all.
Racism exists on every platform.
But the media is so focused on Musk that they draw all the attention to that.

If you want effective moderation, you need people to moderate, not machines, and that is too expensive and just introduces the biases of those people.
Perhaps you would prefer the China lifestyle, where the government decides what you are allowed to see and interact with?
Because all this is going to achieve is the media controlling speech instead of the government, by shaming any site that doesn't agree with what it wants.

They should let me moderate Twitter!

it has always been a cesspit.

Twitter should take that as their tagline.

I think it would be better if the media treated other social media the same as they treat Twitter. I think it would be better if they stopped pretending that Twitter is flooded with racism now that Elon Musk took over, when it has always been a cesspit.

It is objectively true that racism, homophobia and antisemitism has gone up drastically after Musk took over.

He's personally unbanned many of these people himself, and ordered hundreds of others banned for hate speech to be reinstated. This isn't a mystery or hard to understand, if you unban racists, they are going to say more racist things.

I guess you probably simply don't accept or believe any of the many studies showing the increase in hate speech since he took over. 

Of course, if you agree with some of the hate speech then I suppose you wouldn't view it as an increase.

So weird seeing the right wing suddenly defending Twitter after proclaiming it to be all woke and full of the gay agenda before Musk took over, and also claiming nothing changed.