Your thoughts on Elon musk?

You literally said 'he always takes all the credit for everything'. Stop speaking in absolutes if you don't mean it.

Yes, because his idiotic cult thinks he is solely responsible for everything (as if he personally did all the research and engineering required and was the first one ever to do so), and he frequently reinforce it because he's a narcissist. He doesn't have to outright say he was the first person who developed vertical landing rockets.

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on February 02, 2019, 01:11:10 AM

You literally said 'he always takes all the credit for everything'. Stop speaking in absolutes if you don't mean it.

Yes, because his idiotic cult thinks he is solely responsible for everything (as if he personally did all the research and engineering required and was the first one ever to do so), and he frequently reinforce it because he's a narcissist. He doesn't have to outright say he was the first person who developed vertical landing rockets.

When people think 'Space X' they think Elon Musk. And any achievement made is credited to that guy - not the brilliant minds and low paid (comparatively) workers who built the thing and made it happen

When people think NASA, they think of a team of people. A whole room of eggheads working together to pull off the amazing.

Elon takes credit for work others have done. It's a personality trait I can't get behind

Elon takes credit for work others have done. It's a personality trait I can't get behind

Many people believe the boss serves no purpose.
They feel they would do a better job without direction.

Most people are mediocre employees at best, with supervision.
They believe they provide something special that can not be replaced.

Employees always believe the company would be damaged by their absence.


In reality, workers are just pawns and pieces.
They all have relative value and are all replaceable.
They don't matter in the grand scheme.

Many people believe the boss serves no purpose.
They feel they would do a better job without direction.

Most people are mediocre employees at best, with supervision.
They believe they provide something special that can not be replaced.

Employees always believe the company would be damaged by their absence.


In reality, workers are just pawns and pieces.
They all have relative value and are all replaceable.
They don't matter in the grand scheme.

This is often true, but in science/engineering it's at best partwise true. People are less replacable than in most other businesses.

Quote from: Shifter on February 02, 2019, 03:01:27 AM

Elon takes credit for work others have done. It's a personality trait I can't get behind

Many people believe the boss serves no purpose.
They feel they would do a better job without direction.

Most people are mediocre employees at best, with supervision.
They believe they provide something special that can not be replaced.

Employees always believe the company would be damaged by their absence.


In reality, workers are just pawns and pieces.
They all have relative value and are all replaceable.
They don't matter in the grand scheme.

Only if you look at them as individual employees. Bosses are replacable too. In fact they often are replaced.

Also Elon is hardly a "boss", he's the owner. He doesn't manage workers directly.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on February 02, 2019, 03:21:10 AM

Many people believe the boss serves no purpose.
They feel they would do a better job without direction.

Most people are mediocre employees at best, with supervision.
They believe they provide something special that can not be replaced.

Employees always believe the company would be damaged by their absence.


In reality, workers are just pawns and pieces.
They all have relative value and are all replaceable.
They don't matter in the grand scheme.

This is often true, but in science/engineering it's at best partwise true. People are less replacable than in most other buisnesses.

I suppose the pizza delivery guy is more replaceable than a guy who has spent years building and researching rocket engines.

Anybody in a STEMM field is a precious resource really.

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on February 02, 2019, 03:27:10 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on February 02, 2019, 03:21:10 AM

Many people believe the boss serves no purpose.
They feel they would do a better job without direction.

Most people are mediocre employees at best, with supervision.
They believe they provide something special that can not be replaced.

Employees always believe the company would be damaged by their absence.


In reality, workers are just pawns and pieces.
They all have relative value and are all replaceable.
They don't matter in the grand scheme.

This is often true, but in science/engineering it's at best partwise true. People are less replacable than in most other buisnesses.

I suppose the pizza delivery guy is more replaceable than a guy who has spent years building and researching rocket engines.

Anybody in a STEMM field is a precious resource really.

Yeah, that's also true. In terms of "replacability", engineers, physicists, IT guys etc. who work at his companies are definitely not that replacable.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on February 02, 2019, 03:21:10 AM

Quote from: Shifter on February 02, 2019, 03:01:27 AM

Elon takes credit for work others have done. It's a personality trait I can't get behind

Many people believe the boss serves no purpose.
They feel they would do a better job without direction.

Most people are mediocre employees at best, with supervision.
They believe they provide something special that can not be replaced.

Employees always believe the company would be damaged by their absence.


In reality, workers are just pawns and pieces.
They all have relative value and are all replaceable.
They don't matter in the grand scheme.

Only if you look at them as individual employees. Bosses are replacable too. In fact they often are replaced.

Also Elon is hardly a "boss", he's the owner. He doesn't manage workers directly.

Wow, why isn't the drachma the world currency?

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 02, 2019, 03:27:24 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on February 02, 2019, 03:21:10 AM

Quote from: Shifter on February 02, 2019, 03:01:27 AM

Elon takes credit for work others have done. It's a personality trait I can't get behind

Many people believe the boss serves no purpose.
They feel they would do a better job without direction.

Most people are mediocre employees at best, with supervision.
They believe they provide something special that can not be replaced.

Employees always believe the company would be damaged by their absence.


In reality, workers are just pawns and pieces.
They all have relative value and are all replaceable.
They don't matter in the grand scheme.

Only if you look at them as individual employees. Bosses are replacable too. In fact they often are replaced.

Also Elon is hardly a "boss", he's the owner. He doesn't manage workers directly.

Wow, why isn't the drachma the world currency?

One reason would be that it doesn't exist.

Quote from: markjo on February 01, 2019, 10:13:50 PM

Quote from: Shifter on February 01, 2019, 08:27:49 PM

I'm not debating what he has brought to the world except to say he's basically the figurehead of a lot of peoples hard work

So what?  Every head of every company is "basically the figurehead of a lot of peoples hard work".  That's just the way that business works.  Leadership is basically the ability to get others to do the hard work of making your ideas real.

Yeah but does Elon deserve the hero worship he gets though?

He probably deserves it as much as the likes of Steve Jobs, Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg.

He won't get much idolism from me that's for sure.

I doubt that he would lose any sleep knowing that.  I also doubt that you're anywhere near his harshest critic.

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Yeah but does Elon deserve the hero worship he gets though?

He probably deserves it as much as the likes of Steve Jobs, Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg.

So, not very much?

Btw all of these people were much more important for the innovations they made. Elon mostly just has a lot of money to spend.

Quote from: markjo on February 02, 2019, 08:12:48 AM

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Yeah but does Elon deserve the hero worship he gets though?

He probably deserves it as much as the likes of Steve Jobs, Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg.

So, not very much?

Btw all of these people were much more important for the innovations they made. Elon mostly just has a lot of money to spend.

But where did he get that money? 

Besides, most high profile leaders are there more to provide a vision and direction for their various companies.  The good ones are able to surround themselves with the right people to make that vision a reality. 

But where did he get that money?

His parent's African emerald mines, originally. 

Besides, most high profile leaders are there more to provide a vision and direction for their various companies.  The good ones are able to surround themselves with the right people to make that vision a reality.

Even then that still doesn't sound much like he should get the credit he does...

Bill Gates out of your list is also a philanthrpist and started out with nothing. He's also not an arsehole who calls cave rescuers pedos and trash talks his own father as the most terrible and evil human being lol

I don't mind Bill who also knows how to keep a stable marriage. Elon looks like some megalomaniac.

Bill Gates out of your list is also a philanthrpist and started out with nothing.

That's an overstatement, his parents were pretty damn rich already. But he definitely deserves more credit than Musk for stuff, and he's ok as far as billionaires go. Now if only he'd do something to stop Microsoft from using Chinese sweatshop labour...

He's also not an arsehole who calls cave rescuers pedos and trash talks his own father as the most terrible and evil human being lol

To be fair, his dad does seem pretty terrible...

Quote from: JackBlack on February 01, 2019, 03:54:20 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on February 01, 2019, 02:50:31 AM

Except that he's done "what other people have already done" at half the price

Such as?

Launches satellites at half the price.
       Europe Complains: SpaceX Rocket Prices Are Too Cheap to Beat, But is SpaceX playing fair, or profiting from subsidies?
Launch capability and cost:

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Quote from: rabinoz on February 01, 2019, 02:50:31 AM

has done things, like landing first stages back on the launch site and on barges

Vertically landed rockets is nothing new.
It has been done in the past.

People just don't like them because with failures, it fails quite badly.

But their recent record is good enough to seriously bother Arianespace and even question the viability of its Ariane 6.

Still, I guess the future will tell.

Yes, Arianespace is doing well sending real things into orbits with good rockets that are disposed off. Elon's rockets must carry so much extra fuel into space to enable them to land again, so their payloads become zero = Elon is just a big joke. Apparently he is himself screwing together cars at his factory as the robots do not work. Or he is digging tunnels under the factory?

Lol someone made a hilarious video about Elon Musk's dumb tunnel stuff:

Quote from: Bullwinkle on February 02, 2019, 03:53:03 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 02, 2019, 03:27:24 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on February 02, 2019, 03:21:10 AM

Quote from: Shifter on February 02, 2019, 03:01:27 AM

Elon takes credit for work others have done. It's a personality trait I can't get behind

Many people believe the boss serves no purpose.
They feel they would do a better job without direction.

Most people are mediocre employees at best, with supervision.
They believe they provide something special that can not be replaced.

Employees always believe the company would be damaged by their absence.


In reality, workers are just pawns and pieces.
They all have relative value and are all replaceable.
They don't matter in the grand scheme.

Only if you look at them as individual employees. Bosses are replacable too. In fact they often are replaced.

Also Elon is hardly a "boss", he's the owner. He doesn't manage workers directly.

Wow, why isn't the drachma the world currency?

One reason would be that it doesn't exist.

That's my point.

My main exposure to Elon Musk was on The Joe Rogan Experience.

He's interesting, to say in the least. And, it seems to me, he has a hard time expressing himself. He works hard; I don't know how smartly he works hard.

I have my doubts about the validity of any space program. Naturally, I have my doubts about Elon Musk.

He really misses Harambe https://soundcloud.com/user-209448905/rip-harambe1

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/04/technology/elon-musk-twitter.html

Elon Musk becomes Twitter’s largest shareholder.

The Tesla chief executive, who has been critical of Twitter’s content moderation policies, purchased 9.2 percent of the social media company.

Elon Musk, the billionaire chief executive of Tesla and the world’s wealthiest person, bought a nearly 10 percent stake in Twitter, the social media platform where he has more than 80 million followers and shares everything from business ideas and memes to, this past weekend, his experience at a famed Berlin nightclub.

The purchase, made public on Monday in a regulatory filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, is worth about $2.89 billion based on the closing price of Twitter’s stock on Friday. News of Mr. Musk’s buy-in sent Twitter share prices soaring.

A spokesperson for Twitter did not immediately respond to messages requesting comment.

I'm waiting patiently for the blue check meltdowns.

He'll be able to tweet crap with impunity, now.

He'll be able to tweet crap with impunity, now.

He doesn't anyway?

Lone Skum is No Smuelk! I don't like his music.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/04/14/business/elon-musk-twitter#elon-musk-twitter

Elon Musk has launched a takeover bid for Twitter, offering to buy it for $54.20 a share, just weeks after he became the social media company’s largest shareholder.

Mr. Musk said this was a “best and final offer,” representing a 54 percent premium over the day before he began investing in the company in late January, according to a Securities and Exchange Commission filing. It would value the company at about $43 billion.

In the filing, Mr. Musk said “I don’t have confidence in management” and that he couldn’t make the changes he wanted in the public market.

If the offer is not accepted, Mr. Musk said, he would “need to reconsider my position as a shareholder,” according to a letter sent to Bret Taylor, Twitter’s chair, on April 13 and enclosed in the filing. “Twitter has extraordinary potential. I will unlock it.”

Blue check Twitter is melting down.

He isnt diffirent form any other billionare. He exploits his workers and busts unions. He invents dumb solutions that can be easly answered by less profitable means. Only diffirence is that he posts 2016 memes form reddit on his twitter sometimes. Also i dont support one billionare with specific agenda owning most important social media of course. And with his hand off approach on moderation i expect a massive right-wing invasion of twitter. All racists and homophobes who were rughtfully banned will come back

He isnt diffirent form any other billionare. He exploits his workers and busts unions. He invents dumb solutions that can be easly answered by less profitable means. Only diffirence is that he posts 2016 memes form reddit on his twitter sometimes. Also i dont support one billionare with specific agenda owning most important social media of course.

I would say he is a combination of all the bad traits of politicians and billionaires.
He exploits people, and blatantly lies to them, bordering on outright scamming people.
All while pretending to be the best thing since sliced bread.
What makes it worse are all his dumb fan-boys thinking he is the next Jesus.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/twitter-re-examines-elon-musks-bid-may-be-more-receptive-to-a-deal-11650822932

Twitter Re-Examines Elon Musk’s Bid, May Be More Receptive to a Deal
Two sides are meeting Sunday to discuss takeover bid, people familiar with the matter say

 Twitter Inc. TWTR 3.93% is re-examining Elon Musk’s $43 billion takeover offer after the billionaire lined up financing for the bid, in a sign the social-media company could be more receptive to a deal.

Twitter had been expected to rebuff the offer, which Mr. Musk made earlier this month without saying how he would pay for it. But after he disclosed last week that he now has $46.5 billion in financing, Twitter is taking a fresh look at the offer and is more likely than before to seek to negotiate, people familiar with the matter said. The situation is fast-moving and it is still far from guaranteed Twitter will do so.

It could still happen!

Twitter is becoming receptive to Elon's musk.

Looks like it really might happen, now. Certain segments of Twitter are in meltdown mode, threatening to leave.

Maybe they will join the Fediverse! Mastodon Social is already having trouble keeping up with the influx. The Mastodon side of the Fediverse is where people who like rules and regulations go, the other side of the Fedi is more wild West.