Intercontinental ballistic missile

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Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« Reply #1560 on: February 15, 2019, 05:46:09 AM »
A vacuum chamber has been used in order to reduce the error in measurement during the Cavendish experiment.
Have you ever done an experiment by this method or are you simply accepting what you're told?

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It is not just purely to show matter attraction but to actually measure it.

Across a wide range of distances and masses the results are very consistent.
Measure what?
How is it measured to be consistent inside a vacuum chamber?

How long does it take for mass to be attracted to mass in a vacuum chamber compared to not being in one?

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Again this is not us just “believing” what we’re told but actually seeing it in action.
We can demonstrate experimentally matter attraction. The consistency across different distances and masses also writes off your attempt to explain away using “whirlpools”.
No problem. Tell me about all of it you seen in action.
Explain it to me about where you were and how big the so called vacuum chambers were and what was used inside of them.
You know, stuff like that.

I’ve not seen the Cavendish in a vacuum chamber in person. There are plenty of videos of it.

The version I have seen was in a closed isolated chamber. Not as good as a vacuum but does reduce greatly any air movement.

As for your question regarding measurement. It is to measure the force of attraction and to derive the gravitational constant.

As for equipment I’ll let you google that if you want details. They are various forms of balance fitted to a wire of known length, thickness and composition. The deflection is measured.
Deflection is instant. No time difference between vacuum and non vacuum apart from accuracy.

And again. I do not simply accept what I am told.

So, back to you.

Where is your evidence of denspressure other than in your mind. Describe the experiments you have performed. Is there any documentary evidence. Describe the apparatus. Provide details of measurements.
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Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« Reply #1561 on: February 15, 2019, 08:59:58 AM »
A vacuum chamber has been used in order to reduce the error in measurement during the Cavendish experiment.
Have you ever done an experiment by this method or are you simply accepting what you're told?

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It is not just purely to show matter attraction but to actually measure it.

Across a wide range of distances and masses the results are very consistent.
Measure what?
How is it measured to be consistent inside a vacuum chamber?

How long does it take for mass to be attracted to mass in a vacuum chamber compared to not being in one?

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Again this is not us just “believing” what we’re told but actually seeing it in action.
We can demonstrate experimentally matter attraction. The consistency across different distances and masses also writes off your attempt to explain away using “whirlpools”.
No problem. Tell me about all of it you seen in action.
Explain it to me about where you were and how big the so called vacuum chambers were and what was used inside of them.
You know, stuff like that.

I’ve not seen the Cavendish in a vacuum chamber in person. There are plenty of videos of it.

The version I have seen was in a closed isolated chamber. Not as good as a vacuum but does reduce greatly any air movement.

As for your question regarding measurement. It is to measure the force of attraction and to derive the gravitational constant.

As for equipment I’ll let you google that if you want details. They are various forms of balance fitted to a wire of known length, thickness and composition. The deflection is measured.
Deflection is instant. No time difference between vacuum and non vacuum apart from accuracy.

And again. I do not simply accept what I am told.

So, back to you.

Where is your evidence of denspressure other than in your mind. Describe the experiments you have performed. Is there any documentary evidence. Describe the apparatus. Provide details of measurements.
What do you mean by deflection is instant?

Give me an explanation from what you've witnessed physically.

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Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« Reply #1562 on: February 15, 2019, 12:06:39 PM »
<irrelevant BS on Cavendish>
This topic isn't to discuss gravity. If you wish to do that, feel free to run along and make a new thread.

This thread is to discuss rockets/ICBMs.

Now again, you have accepted the first law of motion.
You have basically accepted the second law of motion, but assert that it requires air.
So I ask again, WHY DOES THE SECOND LAW REQUIRE AIR???

Again, you are yet to address this. So far all you have done is indicate that we can move air.

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Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« Reply #1563 on: February 15, 2019, 03:44:06 PM »
Heyhey
Im back
So no news...

Has anyone discussed how the air pressure in a water rocket requires water?
So to sceptis point it relies on air pressure... yes. 
A pressurized force is required but unless there is mass flow, not air pushing and crushing on pushing.
If you tried to launch a water rocket without water, just iar pressure, the effect is much different.

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Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« Reply #1564 on: February 15, 2019, 03:44:45 PM »
And the comment about "diagrams are not experiemnts" was gold.

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Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« Reply #1565 on: February 15, 2019, 06:19:58 PM »
Unless I'm stood next to you with all the equipment to prove my side all I have is my own theories from my own experiments.
So either post your experiments here and NOW or at least post references as to where they might be found.
My experiments on here were just diagrams explaining.
Still no experimental results so all of your hypotheses are simply from your own imagination.
Why do you think reality should choose to fit your imagination?

Of course, it doesn't and that is why a Scientific Law, such as Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation are based on the results of numerous measurements.

So, either post the results of real experiments, not just diagrams and "thought experiments", or admit that your whole hypothesis about how rockets work is baseless.

Your choice!

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Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« Reply #1566 on: February 15, 2019, 10:13:53 PM »
A vacuum chamber has been used in order to reduce the error in measurement during the Cavendish experiment.
Have you ever done an experiment by this method or are you simply accepting what you're told?

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It is not just purely to show matter attraction but to actually measure it.

Across a wide range of distances and masses the results are very consistent.
Measure what?
How is it measured to be consistent inside a vacuum chamber?

How long does it take for mass to be attracted to mass in a vacuum chamber compared to not being in one?

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Again this is not us just “believing” what we’re told but actually seeing it in action.
We can demonstrate experimentally matter attraction. The consistency across different distances and masses also writes off your attempt to explain away using “whirlpools”.
No problem. Tell me about all of it you seen in action.
Explain it to me about where you were and how big the so called vacuum chambers were and what was used inside of them.
You know, stuff like that.

I’ve not seen the Cavendish in a vacuum chamber in person. There are plenty of videos of it.

The version I have seen was in a closed isolated chamber. Not as good as a vacuum but does reduce greatly any air movement.

As for your question regarding measurement. It is to measure the force of attraction and to derive the gravitational constant.

As for equipment I’ll let you google that if you want details. They are various forms of balance fitted to a wire of known length, thickness and composition. The deflection is measured.
Deflection is instant. No time difference between vacuum and non vacuum apart from accuracy.

And again. I do not simply accept what I am told.

So, back to you.

Where is your evidence of denspressure other than in your mind. Describe the experiments you have performed. Is there any documentary evidence. Describe the apparatus. Provide details of measurements.
What do you mean by deflection is instant?

Give me an explanation from what you've witnessed physically.

As in it doesn’t wait until after dinner.

Masses moved close together. The one on the pivot deflected.

Complicated stuff this.....
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Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« Reply #1567 on: February 16, 2019, 01:51:00 AM »
<irrelevant BS on Cavendish>
This topic isn't to discuss gravity. If you wish to do that, feel free to run along and make a new thread.

This thread is to discuss rockets/ICBMs.

Now again, you have accepted the first law of motion.
You have basically accepted the second law of motion, but assert that it requires air.
So I ask again, WHY DOES THE SECOND LAW REQUIRE AIR???

Again, you are yet to address this. So far all you have done is indicate that we can move air.
I have addressed it and addressed it very simply.

You cannot get a force upon mass without having friction. You can't have friction without attached matter with no free space.

On that note f=ma is fine in that process.
Take away the friction and your f=ma is a nothing.
Just remember you will never get a resistance/friction force in so called space with supposed stray particles just flitting about and think something can be pushed in it. It's not only illogical, it's a disgrace to think that people have been deliberately duped by this nonsense.




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Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« Reply #1568 on: February 16, 2019, 02:32:30 AM »
<irrelevant BS on Cavendish>
This topic isn't to discuss gravity. If you wish to do that, feel free to run along and make a new thread.

This thread is to discuss rockets/ICBMs.

Now again, you have accepted the first law of motion.
You have basically accepted the second law of motion, but assert that it requires air.
So I ask again, WHY DOES THE SECOND LAW REQUIRE AIR???

Again, you are yet to address this. So far all you have done is indicate that we can move air.
I have addressed it and addressed it very simply.

You cannot get a force upon mass without having friction. You can't have friction without attached matter with no free space.

On that note f=ma is fine in that process.
Take away the friction and your f=ma is a nothing.
Just remember you will never get a resistance/friction force in so called space with supposed stray particles just flitting about and think something can be pushed in it. It's not only illogical, it's a disgrace to think that people have been deliberately duped by this nonsense.

Why would friction be required to develop force on an object?

I’m not saying there is no friction mind. Moving objects are generally in a gas or on a surface and friction is generated as a result of motion.

Please note generated as a result of motion not required to generate motion.
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Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« Reply #1569 on: February 16, 2019, 02:39:03 AM »
<irrelevant BS on Cavendish>
This topic isn't to discuss gravity. If you wish to do that, feel free to run along and make a new thread.

This thread is to discuss rockets/ICBMs.

Now again, you have accepted the first law of motion.
You have basically accepted the second law of motion, but assert that it requires air.
So I ask again, WHY DOES THE SECOND LAW REQUIRE AIR???

Again, you are yet to address this. So far all you have done is indicate that we can move air.
I have addressed it and addressed it very simply.

You cannot get a force upon mass without having friction. You can't have friction without attached matter with no free space.

On that note f=ma is fine in that process.
Take away the friction and your f=ma is a nothing.
Just remember you will never get a resistance/friction force in so called space with supposed stray particles just flitting about and think something can be pushed in it. It's not only illogical, it's a disgrace to think that people have been deliberately duped by this nonsense.
Where is your evidence for all this?
You just say all this as though you have proven that it really works that way but you haven't and all your great claims are obviously just from your own imagination.

You claim, with no supporting evidence, that rockets must use a "springboard launch" but big rockets do not and cannot do that.
The SpaceX Falcon 9 first stage using 9 rocket engines produces over 775,000 kilograms-force thrust and burns for 2 minutes 42 seconds.
No springboard launch there yet numerous people see and video these launches.

Of course you, like all flat earthers, declare any contrary evidence to fake for no other reason than your not liking the result - how convenient ;)!

You claim that "it's a disgrace to think that people have been deliberately duped by this nonsense".
The really sad thing, however, is that there people simply inventing hypotheses like your based on nothing more than an overblown sense of their own "smartness" and knowledge.
I believe it's called the
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Dunning–Kruger effect
In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people of low ability have illusory superiority and mistakenly assess their cognitive ability as greater than it is.
Like it or not and believe it or not but all three of Newton's Laws of Motion are quite accurate without any modification by you.

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Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« Reply #1570 on: February 16, 2019, 05:12:03 AM »
Why would friction be required to develop force on an object?

I’m not saying there is no friction mind. Moving objects are generally in a gas or on a surface and friction is generated as a result of motion.

Please note generated as a result of motion not required to generate motion.
The only true law that comes from the apparent Newton time is the law of action and equal and opposite reaction.
This can only work if there is a force.
Everything about you is a force.
There's not one physical thing you can see or feel that does not require a force to move it and a force to resist it.
But to move something you need to resist something in order to move it.
It's called atmospheric friction, whether it creates it from under the ground or on the ground or in the actual fluid of water or gas/air.

There is not a thing you can genuinely think of that does not require friction to work. Nothing.
You can mention smooth surfaces or extreme low pressure which people disguise as a vacuum...but the reality is everything is attached by pressure and from pressure there is a friction. The bigger the pressure the bigger the friction.

By all means try and think of something real to scupper what I say. Just don't try and use something you cannot ever prove as if it becomes a fact because it's mainstream backed.

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Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« Reply #1571 on: February 16, 2019, 05:36:13 AM »
IE don’t suggest something that is known to exist but destroys your denspressure.
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Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« Reply #1572 on: February 16, 2019, 05:54:37 AM »
Motion through electromagnetic repulsion or attraction is an easy example. The two objects aren’t in physical contact and yet will create a force upon each other.
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Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« Reply #1573 on: February 16, 2019, 05:59:31 AM »
Where is your evidence for all this?
My evidence is very simple. It's far too simple for you to ever dare look at because you know that the sheer simplicity of it scuppers all the intricacies of the space and space rocketry world, as well as Earth shape....the lot really. And that alone is a scary thing when you think that simple experiments can scupper the massive indoctrinated stories of mainstream that is shrouded in massive cloaks but handed out with little peeks on TV as a supposed reality.

Any experiment shown you you or handed to you to do...you simply ignore or refuse or merely argue against it without a thought.
You're more than welcome to do that but it tells me enough about you to understand and accept the reasons why...of which I do have 3 which I will keep to myself.

If you feel the need to delve into this then use AR.

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You just say all this as though you have proven that it really works that way but you haven't and all your great claims are obviously just from your own imagination.
I've done a few experiments. Simple as they may be, it's all that's required. That's the beauty of it.

The trouble is, people think matter just scatters about. They think molecules inside a chamber before evacuation are just pinging about smashing randomly into the chamber and when they're evacuated they somehow just randomly whack about and out of the exit of the chamber.

It's mental to think that intelligent people think this is the case but that's the explanations I get so how in the hell can I explain why a rocket would work in atmosphere to people who think like this?

 
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You claim, with no supporting evidence, that rockets must use a "springboard launch" but big rockets do not and cannot do that.
Of course big rockets cannot do that. Not rockets of the size we are told, like the big 3000 tinne saturn nonsense for starters.
The model rockets that launch are superimposed and launched in slow motion to make it appear like they're mammoth space vehicles just sauntering up. It's comical in one sense but clever.
Also let's not forget the vertically stacked airship or shall I say helium/hydrogen, etc rocketship made of a thin skin and frame.

The thing is, we are a bunch of open mouth film watchers and a clapping audience of amazed onlooking for the magical mysteries bestowed upon us.
It's obvious why people would accept this fiction as fact.
The movies provide everyone with it daily, along with the mainstream news who love a good old mock of the naivety of the average human.

We are all gullible in our own way.

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The SpaceX Falcon 9 first stage using 9 rocket engines produces over 775,000 kilograms-force thrust and burns for 2 minutes 42 seconds.
No springboard launch there yet numerous people see and video these launches.
Rab you're entitled to believe that. the figures are there for you to read over. The pictures are there for you to paw over. The videos are there for you to view at your leisure and amaze at.
The feeling of wanting to calculate the fuel to weight ratio of the rocket, handed to you by the books you read, is entirely your prerogative.
Mine is to shake my head at it all for reasons I gave, whether you like it or not.

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Of course you, like all flat earthers, declare any contrary evidence to fake for no other reason than your not liking the result - how convenient ;)!
Nahhh. If there was a real reason for me to believe in the stuff I am saturated with, I would go with it. the problem (is it a problem?) with me is, once I see one thing that doesn't ring true, I question it.
The only thing is it leads to a mindset of "what else are we being lied to about" and this is why you start to see things in a different way to what you were first in acceptance of.

Once you do a few experiments and had the time and patience to study stuff you start to feel a sense of mind robbery. You literally believe you've had your mind robbed and replaced with junk that you once thought was rational.

One man/woman's rational is another man/woman's naivety but can also turn out to be a naivety in itself in terms of the first rational if there are no other rational thoughts on offer.
This is where I stood until I started seeing things that didn't ring true and then came here to see that people had alternate thoughts on stuff.
It gave me the chance to actually look at everything and to actually try and fit a reality into the fiction we've been sold in a lot of stuff and how things supposedly work.

You are blinkered and massively hampered by that. Unless there's a reason for it, which as I said, I have 3 but will leave it up to you to ask in AR if you want them to be told.

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You claim that "it's a disgrace to think that people have been deliberately duped by this nonsense".
The really sad thing, however, is that there people simply inventing hypotheses like your based on nothing more than an overblown sense of their own "smartness" and knowledge.
I believe it's called the Dunning–Kruger effect

In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people of low ability have illusory superiority and mistakenly assess their cognitive ability as greater than it is.
This Dunning-Kruger isn't really a discovery. It's a reality for all of us. It just depends which way a person swings towards the most, because this Dunning-Kruger does not cover just one way.

So yes, I have it in both ways but so do we all. So by all means use this as a dig but remember the dig is against everyone.
Read up on the Dunning-Kruger effect to see what I'm saying if you want.

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Like it or not and believe it or not but all three of Newton's Laws of Motion are quite accurate without any modification by you.
In their configuration as it stands they are about as worthless as a chocolate fireguard.

Only one, with the addition of a special ingredient that is required, would become a real law.
the other two are basically sci-fi.
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Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« Reply #1574 on: February 16, 2019, 06:02:49 AM »
Motion through electromagnetic repulsion or attraction is an easy example. The two objects aren’t in physical contact and yet will create a force upon each other.
Me and you running at each other will not create a physical contact but will feel a compression force upon us until we overcome it to crash into each other.
It all depends on friction by expansion and contraction of atmospheric molecules by the energy applied to create that.

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Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« Reply #1575 on: February 16, 2019, 07:23:54 AM »
Motion through electromagnetic repulsion or attraction is an easy example. The two objects aren’t in physical contact and yet will create a force upon each other.
Me and you running at each other will not create a physical contact but will feel a compression force upon us until we overcome it to crash into each other.
It all depends on friction by expansion and contraction of atmospheric molecules by the energy applied to create that.

What compression force? Please provide experimental evidence.
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Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« Reply #1576 on: February 16, 2019, 07:35:51 AM »
Motion through electromagnetic repulsion or attraction is an easy example. The two objects aren’t in physical contact and yet will create a force upon each other.
Me and you running at each other will not create a physical contact but will feel a compression force upon us until we overcome it to crash into each other.
It all depends on friction by expansion and contraction of atmospheric molecules by the energy applied to create that.

What compression force? Please provide experimental evidence.
You can feel it. You can't see it because you see through it. Would you like to provide experimental evidence to the contrary?

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Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« Reply #1577 on: February 16, 2019, 07:47:36 AM »
Heyhey
Im back
So no news...

Has anyone discussed how the air pressure in a water rocket requires water?
So to sceptis point it relies on air pressure... yes. 
A pressurized force is required but unless there is mass flow, not air pushing and crushing on pushing.
If you tried to launch a water rocket without water, just iar pressure, the effect is much different.
I and others actually brought up water rockets years ago. Sceptitank most likely just spouted nonsense.
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Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« Reply #1578 on: February 16, 2019, 08:50:33 AM »

I and others actually brought up water rockets years ago. Sceptitank most likely just spouted nonsense.
Nahhh. I told you how they really worked but you lot seemed to think the bottle can just push off the water and the bottom of the bottle with nothing else needed. No attention paid to the water coming out of the bottle against atmosphere.

It's not me spouting the nonsense, it's people like you believing in nonsense.

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Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« Reply #1579 on: February 16, 2019, 12:46:01 PM »
Nahhh. I told you how they really worked but you lot seemed to think the bottle can just push off the water and the bottom of the bottle with nothing else needed. No attention paid to the water coming out of the bottle against atmosphere.
Why mention "the water coming out of the bottle against atmosphere" when it has nothing to do with the case and only impedes it slightly?

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Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« Reply #1580 on: February 16, 2019, 03:06:46 PM »
I have addressed it and addressed it very simply.
No, you have baselessly asserted it and refused to address it.


You cannot get a force upon mass without having friction.
In order to have friction (which you don't actually need except for mechanical force, and even then, that is only if it is from sheering. With other means no friction is required) you just need 2 objects touching. It doesn't need air all around it.
As such, that is not a justification for why you need air.

So can you actually provide a justification rather than a baseless assertion?

The only true law that comes from the apparent Newton time is the law of action and equal and opposite reaction.
You have already admitted the three laws are quite similar even claiming they are equivalent, so that makes no sense.
You have also accepted the first law, so that is clearly a lie.

You are yet to show any problem with any of the laws.

But to move something you need to resist something in order to move it.
Why?
In order to accelerate something you need to exert a force on it. That will produce an equal and opposite reactionary force on you. That means either you both accelerate, or you have other forces acting on you or the object to prevent one of them accelerating.

Again, no need for air.

There is not a thing you can genuinely think of that does not require friction to work. Nothing.
There are plenty.
There is direct contact where instead of relying upon friction it instead relies upon normal forces.
There are electromagnetic interactions which don't rely upon friction at all.

You have no justification for you claim that everything needs friction.

Any experiment shown you you or handed to you to do...you simply ignore or refuse or merely argue against it without a thought.
You're more than welcome to do that but it tells me enough about you to understand and accept the reasons why...of which I do have 3 which I will keep to myself.
You mean your baseless insults against us are enough of a reason for you to not bother trying to defend your claims?

What this really shows is that you have no evidence or experiments to back you up, and instead might have things which you can pretend back you. You don't want to say them here because they will be torn to shreds.

It's mental to think that intelligent people think this is the case
Why?
You are yet to show any problem with it.
Do you know what is mental? Thinking molecules magically expand and contract, even though solids and fluids are basically in-compressible, showing the molecules can't magically shrink.

Once you do a few experiments and had the time and patience to study stuff you start to feel a sense of mind robbery. You literally believe you've had your mind robbed and replaced with junk that you once though was rational.
You are yet to present a single experiment which shows that the mainstream explanations are wrong.
Meanwhile, plenty of experiments have been carried out, including by some of us, which is entirely consistent with the mainstream explanation.


Now then, can you stop with the pathetic insults and distractions.
If you really have an experiment, PROVIDE IT!
Otherwise, quit claiming you do and instead address why you magically need air.

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Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« Reply #1581 on: February 17, 2019, 01:30:28 AM »
Nahhh. I told you how they really worked but you lot seemed to think the bottle can just push off the water and the bottom of the bottle with nothing else needed. No attention paid to the water coming out of the bottle against atmosphere.
Why mention "the water coming out of the bottle against atmosphere" when it has nothing to do with the case and only impedes it slightly?
It has everything to do with it.
Water and whatever else is ejected from a bottle or rocket or any vertical flight requiring a gas/fluid/solid fuel mix uses external atmosphere as the resistance to the ejected thrust.
So no attention is paid by you because to pay attention to it would be to pay attention to what is required to launch and keep a rocket in motion.

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Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« Reply #1582 on: February 17, 2019, 01:38:38 AM »
In order to have friction (which you don't actually need except for mechanical force, and even then, that is only if it is from sheering. With other means no friction is required) you just need 2 objects touching. It doesn't need air all around it.
As such, that is not a justification for why you need air.
Name me any mechanical action that does not require friction.



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But to move something you need to resist something in order to move it.
Why?
In order to accelerate something you need to exert a force on it. That will produce an equal and opposite reactionary force on you. That means either you both accelerate, or you have other forces acting on you or the object to prevent one of them accelerating.

Again, no need for air.

You have no justification for you claim that everything needs friction.

How about you give me one instance that you physically know of that does not require atmosphere in order to work.

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Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« Reply #1583 on: February 17, 2019, 02:14:31 AM »
How about you give me one instance that you physically know of that does not require atmosphere in order to work.
An electric car "does not require atmosphere in order to work".
A rocket motor "does not require atmosphere in order to work" and if you try to claim otherwise you are wrong!

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The lift-off is just after 2:50. Enjoy ;)!

The "Laws" that describe how "things work", including Newton's Laws, were determined by experiment.
So where is all your evidence for your hypotheses? Gone walkabout, has it ;D?
Until you post real supporting evidence, based on real experiments, your hypotheses remain just that! Get used to it.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« Reply #1584 on: February 17, 2019, 06:09:04 AM »
How about you give me one instance that you physically know of that does not require atmosphere in order to work.
An electric car "does not require atmosphere in order to work".
A rocket motor "does not require atmosphere in order to work" and if you try to claim otherwise you are wrong!

Last Takeoff from the Moon - Apollo 17's Lunar Module blastoff!
The lift-off is just after 2:50. Enjoy ;)!

The "Laws" that describe how "things work", including Newton's Laws, were determined by experiment.
So where is all your evidence for your hypotheses? Gone walkabout, has it ;D?
Until you post real supporting evidence, based on real experiments, your hypotheses remain just that! Get used to it.
Rab, you stick with your moon vacuum as your argument of no atmosphere making things work. It's entirely your prerogative so you feel free to use this because you are basing your argument of it entirely on a massive appeal to authority.

Like I told you before, when you have it all on your mainstream platter you can't fall off in your argument. You don't even have to use your brain for any individual purpose. Just use this appeal to authority time and time and time again.
Rab, you are extremely weak but I shouldn't have really expected any other type of answer.


You carry on. Just remember you're playing a very weak hand.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« Reply #1585 on: February 17, 2019, 06:23:59 AM »
It's funny because people actually overlooked a massive massive error in an experiment  to prove rockets work in so called space or a so called near vacuum.

The one they couldn't get to ignite but then managed to do it in the big long so called vacuum chamber.
Anyone remember this?

Eventually they showed that a rocket could work in space by using a scale measuring inside the chamber.
Anyone any wiser?

The rocket, once ignited after a few goes exerted pressure onto the scale.

Anyone remember now?

Can any genuine person see where the massive error was made in trying to fool us into believing rockets work in space?

I'll let people ponder on this. Come of alternative thinkers to the mainstream ideals, don't let the globalists have their own way to try and get out of this one because it's a beauty.

I'll be back in a short while to see if anyone has sussed the major error.

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Platonius21

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Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« Reply #1586 on: February 17, 2019, 10:35:12 AM »
Stop calling yourself a Flat Earth Scientist.  You are a Flat Earth Anti-science person who believes ridiculous things.

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Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« Reply #1587 on: February 17, 2019, 12:06:30 PM »
Water and whatever else is ejected from a bottle or rocket or any vertical flight requiring a gas/fluid/solid fuel mix uses external atmosphere as the resistance to the ejected thrust.
No it doesn't, as that resistance contributes very little to the actual thrust of the rocket.
Instead it uses inertia, that thing you hate, except when you need it to have some semblance of reality.

Name me any mechanical action that does not require friction.
I already did.
If you would like a simple physical example, look at Newton's cradle. This is not based upon friction. It is based upon collision, utilising normal forces, i.e. forces which are perpendicular to the surface of the object.
Of course there is also the more obvious one of a rocket.

How about you give me one instance that you physically know of that does not require atmosphere in order to work.
I already have, in the very post you are responding to which you have chosen to ignore.
You ignoring things doesn't magically make them cease to exist.
How about you stop trying to shift the burden of proof and starting backing up your insane claims?
WHY DOES EVERYTHING NEED AIR TO MOVE?
Can you justify that claim at all?

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Mainframes

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Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« Reply #1588 on: February 17, 2019, 01:04:04 PM »
It's funny because people actually overlooked a massive massive error in an experiment  to prove rockets work in so called space or a so called near vacuum.

The one they couldn't get to ignite but then managed to do it in the big long so called vacuum chamber.
Anyone remember this?

Eventually they showed that a rocket could work in space by using a scale measuring inside the chamber.
Anyone any wiser?

The rocket, once ignited after a few goes exerted pressure onto the scale.

Anyone remember now?

Can any genuine person see where the massive error was made in trying to fool us into believing rockets work in space?

I'll let people ponder on this. Come of alternative thinkers to the mainstream ideals, don't let the globalists have their own way to try and get out of this one because it's a beauty.

I'll be back in a short while to see if anyone has sussed the major error.

You only think there is an error because you don’t understand basic physics and chemistry.
Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by ignorance or stupidity.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« Reply #1589 on: February 17, 2019, 02:29:36 PM »
Water and whatever else is ejected from a bottle or rocket or any vertical flight requiring a gas/fluid/solid fuel mix uses external atmosphere as the resistance to the ejected thrust.
No it doesn't, as that resistance contributes very little to the actual thrust of the rocket.
Instead it uses inertia, that thing you hate, except when you need it to have some semblance of reality.
Inertia isn't a thing so using it is a massive duping cop out.
Compressed air inside the bottle pushes the water out of the bottle neck.
Because the bottle neck is small, the water has a direct thrust into the atmosphere below it.
That water ejected at high pressure compresses into the stack and creates a trampoline like delve effect but is acted upon in an instant to crush back creating an equal resistance to the thrust of water.
The effect is the bottle pushing up from the ejected water, not from inside compressed air pushing it from within. It's nonsensical but one hell of a dupe for those unwilling to question it.

Quote from: JackBlack
Name me any mechanical action that does not require friction.
I already did.
If you would like a simple physical example, look at Newton's cradle. This is not based upon friction. It is based upon collision, utilising normal forces, i.e. forces which are perpendicular to the surface of the object.
Of course there is also the more obvious one of a rocket.
Newtons cradle answers a lot of questions if people actually look at it in simple terms.
You clearly know that it works on compression but it's a case of mass overcoming atmosphere much easier due to the cradle holding essentially ball bearings which are fairly solid.
They main key to the cradle is the compression of the actual ball bearings. You can't see that because it's beyond your eyesight.
You could make a cradle using super balls and see them compress in slow motion. They can only compress because they are not entirely solid. They just appear solid.
A more solid would be a much more dense set up that will compress but will not readily decompress. Like lead or gold or something similar.

All of it requires atmosphere whether it's low pressure or high pressure.
Newtons cradle also answers the speed of light nonsense which equates to speed of compression of molecules through a near solid. But that's another story.

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How about you give me one instance that you physically know of that does not require atmosphere in order to work.
I already have, in the very post you are responding to which you have chosen to ignore.
You ignoring things doesn't magically make them cease to exist.
How about you stop trying to shift the burden of proof and starting backing up your insane claims?
WHY DOES EVERYTHING NEED AIR TO MOVE?
Can you justify that claim at all?
So you can't do it then. No problem.