Two proofs for Globe Earth

I have two things that prove a Globe Earth.

1: I have seen the curve.

2: a Flat Earth cannot have an atmosphere.

Neither of those are proofs. You know that, right?

Well I have seen the curve (which removes the Flat Earth idea), and it is physically impossible for a FE to have an atmosphere so... But please, debunk my proofs.

Sure. Let's start with "I have seen the curve." No, you haven't. My assertion is equally as valid as yours. It's not a proof.

"A Flat Earth cannot have an atmosphere." Sure it can. But it would have a different name (without "sphere" in it, for reasons that should be obvious). Again, all you did was make an assertion. And it's no more valid than mine. Not proof.

I have seen the curve. I would provide pictures, but they would be dismissed as "fakes" or "illusions."

So, what you are saying, is that a flat earth cannot have an atmosphere? However, the FE community regularly uses that word. So we are at an impasse. Either A: the flat earth has a atmosphere, which makes it a sphere, or B: it doesn't, which would kill all life.

You are confusing being pedantic about the definition of atmosphere with the impossibility of air existing on a FE. The FE community uses that word to more easily communicate with people from outside the community. Sometimes you'll see someone instead use the word atmoplane.

I am not. A flat earth cannot have an atmosphere. By your own admittance. I will point out, "atmoplane" is not a recognised word. It is something made up, and therefore cannot be used as a scientific term. The only one that is a wholly recognised term is atmosphere. Check the Oxford dictionary. You won't find atmoplane. So, this leaves a bit of a conundrum. At best, "amtoplane" can be described as slang, but that leaves a void where a scientific term goes... So, again, round earth proof.

And, you know, the whole curve that can be seen. That... That too.

You said are aren't getting hung up on being pedantic about the definition, only to then prove you are being pedantic. Congrats.

You haven't proven anything. You have asserted something, and gotten hung up on a term.

That term is very important. It quantifies a theory. It can prove, or disprove. I would say it is exceedingly important. I have given proof for my side. All you have given are colloquialisms. I am backed be the Dictionary of choice. You are not. In fact, other then the Flat Earth community, your term is not searchable anywhere. Mine is. You are now trying to avoid, rather then argue, the point. This is a very important term, friend. One that cannot be avoided.

Again, you haven't proven a single thing. Atmosphere refers to the air above the Earth. In RE, that's a sphere, hence the term. A dictionary tells you what a word means. It doesn't prove anything about the physical world.

You have made assertions. That is all.

Go see quorums "irrefutable" proof or join the debate club to learn how not to do this...

I have given proof. The definition is "the envelope of gases surrounding the earth or another planet." The atmosphere doesn't surround a flat earth. Therefore it cannot be atmosphere. The only "proof" from you is a term, unrecognized by the dictionary of choice, or much of anyone outside the FE community. So, your term is a colloquialism. Such things are not allowed in an official Debate. As we are debating, this leaves a bit of an issue.

On a side note, you have proven my point now several times, that I am right. Assertion- a confident and forceful statement of fact or belief.

My definition is fact. I have confidently stated a fact, and you have agreed.

Was this meant for me, or my debate partner, friend?

Go see quorums "irrefutable" proof or join the debate club to learn how not to do this...

You haven't made an argument, or provided any evidence. This isn't proof.

You haven't made an argument, or provided any evidence. This isn't proof.

Sounds like poetic justice.  This is how some of us feel all the time.

How do you think I feel?

So, what you are saying, is that a flat earth cannot have an atmosphere? However, the FE community regularly uses that word. So we are at an impasse. Either A: the flat earth has a atmosphere, which makes it a sphere, or B: it doesn't, which would kill all life.

Or C, it has a region of gas, a mixture of nitrogen, oxygen, argon and various other molecules, which is not in the shape of a sphere and thus would not be called atmosphere and instead be called something like atmodisk, with this atmodisc supporting life.

It is something made up, and therefore cannot be used as a scientific term.

All words are made up.
In fact, science is quite happy to do that. When they discover something new they are quite happy to make up a word for it, or allow others to do so later down the track to get it named after them.

Not having a word for it doesn't mean it can't exist.
By that reasoning, before we had a word for UV radiation, that absence of a word is proof that it can't exist.
Do you really want to try going down this path?
UV is just a made up word.
Just like IR and microwave and X-ray. I guess they are all fake as well?

That term is very important. It quantifies a theory. It can prove, or disprove.

No. Numbers quantify.
A term is just used to make it easy to recognise and talk about rather than needing a very long phrase.
It cannot prove or disprove a theory.

Have you heard of phlotegen? It was a real word. Does that prove that "theory"?

What about fairies?
That is a word basically everyone knows.
Does the existence of that word prove fairies exist? No.

your term is not searchable anywhere.

I take it you haven't heard of google.
http://www.lmgtfy.com/?iie=1&q=atmoplane

a term, unrecognized by the dictionary of choice, or much of anyone outside the FE community.

i.e. jargon, something quite common in scientific discussions.
By your reasoning, my PhD, and plenty of others are pure garbage as they use "made up words, unrecognised by the dictionary of choice and much of anyone outside the field".

Grow up.

How do you think I feel?

Like someone who never provides evidence?



Never mind. Happy Christmas all the same.

Quote from: SirWulfe on December 22, 2018, 09:30:45 AM

So, what you are saying, is that a flat earth cannot have an atmosphere? However, the FE community regularly uses that word. So we are at an impasse. Either A: the flat earth has a atmosphere, which makes it a sphere, or B: it doesn't, which would kill all life.

Or C, it has a region of gas, a mixture of nitrogen, oxygen, argon and various other molecules, which is not in the shape of a sphere and thus would not be called atmosphere and instead be called something like atmodisk, with this atmodisc supporting life.

Quote from: SirWulfe on December 22, 2018, 09:48:34 AM

It is something made up, and therefore cannot be used as a scientific term.

All words are made up.
In fact, science is quite happy to do that. When they discover something new they are quite happy to make up a word for it, or allow others to do so later down the track to get it named after them.

Not having a word for it doesn't mean it can't exist.
By that reasoning, before we had a word for UV radiation, that absence of a word is proof that it can't exist.
Do you really want to try going down this path?
UV is just a made up word.
Just like IR and microwave and X-ray. I guess they are all fake as well?

Quote from: SirWulfe on December 22, 2018, 10:05:51 AM

That term is very important. It quantifies a theory. It can prove, or disprove.

No. Numbers quantify.
A term is just used to make it easy to recognise and talk about rather than needing a very long phrase.
It cannot prove or disprove a theory.

Have you heard of phlotegen? It was a real word. Does that prove that "theory"?

What about fairies?
That is a word basically everyone knows.
Does the existence of that word prove fairies exist? No.

Quote from: SirWulfe on December 22, 2018, 10:05:51 AM

your term is not searchable anywhere.

I take it you haven't heard of google.
http://www.lmgtfy.com/?iie=1&q=atmoplane

Quote from: SirWulfe on December 22, 2018, 10:40:11 AM

a term, unrecognized by the dictionary of choice, or much of anyone outside the FE community.

i.e. jargon, something quite common in scientific discussions.
By your reasoning, my PhD, and plenty of others are pure garbage as they use "made up words, unrecognised by the dictionary of choice and much of anyone outside the field".

Grow up.

"Word salad" -SciMan Dan.

Lets start at the top. You have proven my point. A flat earth cannot have an atmosphere. Atmodisk is also not a word.

Youre right. All words are made up. They dont exist, prior to them... Well... Existing. However, a word is clearly defined as a recognised term, found in the dictionary. Ergo, Atmodisk, atmoplane, atmowhatevee, are not words. Neither are UV, X-ray, or IR. They are iabbreviations. Fairies, however, is a word. Which is a pointless argument, as I'm not arguing the existence of the atmosphere. Just pointing out it cannot exist on a flat earth.

Very nice misquoting there. I acknowledge the only place it is searchable is among the FE community. Everywhere else it is an unknown entity.

Which you actually then used in your next quote, to make a different point. Jargon is used. I'm a gamer. I have my own set of jargon. However, very few are words, and none I would use in an actual discussion.

So again. Proof. And i say proof, because so far there has been no checkpoint moment from your side.

"Word salad" -SciMan Dan.

No, carefully explaining why your points are pure bullshit.

Lets start at the top. You have proven my point.

No I haven't.
Your point is that a FE is impossible as without an atmosphere you can't have life.
I have disproved that.

Youre right. All words are made up. They dont exist, prior to them... Well... Existing.

Yes, so you claiming words are made up doesn't refute what the words describe.

Proof.

The only thing you have managed to "prove" is that the word atmosphere is well known while alternatives for a FE amount to jargon.
You haven't managed to disprove a FE based upon you not liking the jargon. You haven't managed to prove a globe.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on December 22, 2018, 11:48:04 AM

How do you think I feel?

Like someone who never provides evidence?



Never mind. Happy Christmas all the same.

Look out your window! Also, Merry Christmas.

I will point out, "atmoplane" is not a recognised word. It is something made up, and therefore cannot be used as a scientific term.

All words are made up.   

Quote from: SirWulfe on December 22, 2018, 02:12:35 PM

"Word salad" -SciMan Dan.

No, carefully explaining why your points are pure bullshit.

Which can be done very succinctly, and without all the filler you added.

Quote from: SirWulfe on December 22, 2018, 02:12:35 PM

Lets start at the top. You have proven my point.

No I haven't.
Your point is that a FE is impossible as without an atmosphere you can't have life.
I have disproved that.

Nope. My point was, a FE cannot have an atmosphere, seeing as it isn't a sphere. Since even Flat Earthers use the term "atmosphere," this, by process of elimination, means the earth has to be a sphere.

Quote from: SirWulfe on December 22, 2018, 02:12:35 PM

Youre right. All words are made up. They dont exist, prior to them... Well... Existing.

Yes, so you claiming words are made up doesn't refute what the words describe.

Quote from: SirWulfe on December 22, 2018, 02:12:35 PM

Proof.

The only thing you have managed to "prove" is that the word atmosphere is well known while alternatives for a FE amount to jargon.
You haven't managed to disprove a FE based upon you not liking the jargon. You haven't managed to prove a globe.

These last two are basically one in the same so...
I have proven, your descriptions are not words. By your own admittance, they are jargon. Saying "atmodisk," and "atmoplane," are simply made up words you use to describe the idea of the FE. However, scientifically, those phrases don't exist. I will say this again: Nowhere, outside of the FE community, does the term "atmoplane," or "atmodisk" appear. Neither Merriam-Webster, nor the Oxford dictionary, have heard of your words. This means, they aren't words. They aren't even abbreviations, which both MW, and the Oxford dictionaries, do recognise. UV, X-ray, IR, ext. All recognised. Let me give you an example. You say "the FE has an atmodisk." Well i could counter with "The FE is a blugo. That means it isn't real, but only among Round Earthers." You wouldn't accept it. So, lets stick with officially accepted words, accepted by the dictionaries of record. This means the earth has to have an atmosphere, or nothing. And since my senses tell me it isn't nothing.....

Your inability to prove your case is noted.

I have given proof. The definition is "the envelope of gases surrounding the earth or another planet." The atmosphere doesn't surround a flat earth.

"The" definition? It's "a" definition. Another definition is "the pervading tone or mood of a place, situation, or work of art."

I see no effort on your part to prove that a flat earth doesn't have this type of atmosphere.

Since your "proof" relies on attempted pedantic wordplay, your proof fails by not having considered that other people can be more pedantic than you.

Peace out. [Mic drop]

I have proven, your descriptions are not words.

You have proven no such thing.
By your own admission they are words, specifically jargon:
"special words or expressions used by a profession or group that are difficult for others to understand."

That means it isn't real

The existence and acceptance of a word has no bearing upon if what it describes is real.

This means Earth can have no gas, a layer of gas above an open surface, or a shell of gas around a closed surface.

As such, your semantics has absolutely no bearing upon if Earth is flat.

Further devolving into pedantry, the atmosphere bulges. It's not even a sphere! We all must be dead, because the atmosphere isn't a sphere, and it's existence is thereby negated.

Further devolving into pedantry, the atmosphere bulges. It's not even a sphere! We all must be dead, because the atmosphere isn't a sphere, and it's existence is thereby negated.

You must mean the atmoshell.

I have never seen talk of it here.

http://www.terraconvexa.com.br/

I have never seen talk of it here.

Talk of what here?