BFR flight around the Moon

What's are the thoughts on the SpaceX passenger flight around the moon? Will this affect FET?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-spacex-tourism/japan-fashion-guru-maezawa-lands-first-spacex-moon-flight-idUSKCN1LX2IY

Doubt it.
If the Russian, French, US, Chinese, British, German etc space programmes have passed them by then SPACEX will probably be a bunch of lies too.

If half a century of manned space flight can be  disregarded as fake, what's one more flight to the average flattards?

What's are the thoughts on the SpaceX passenger flight around the moon? Will this affect FET?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-spacex-tourism/japan-fashion-guru-maezawa-lands-first-spacex-moon-flight-idUSKCN1LX2IY

A new cgi makes has started to work. Nobody give a shit to it.

Yes it's indeed to late to convince me ever again , that anyone can go around or to the moon.
Humanity has to many lying creeps walking on it's surface willing to betray their mum , god and anything of value for money, power, a position or whatever egoistic or twisted motive i'm not aware of.

Add to that the next level of augmented reality and anything can be presented as real without anyone ever noticing the differences.

Elon Musk the twitter king has made so many stupid comments on twitter that i have a hard time to believe that people are convinced this clown leads a company that is able to go to the moon.
I watched a Joe Rogan Podcast featuring Elon Musk......wtf is this guy continiously stoned or something ?
And i mean Elon Musk, not Joe Rogan the biggest sell-out in recent history when it comes to changing his firm convictions about the moonlandings the moment he received his own show....

Yes it's indeed to late to convince me ever again , that anyone can go around or to the moon.
Humanity has to many lying creeps walking on it's surface willing to betray their mum , god and anything of value for money, power, a position or whatever egoistic or twisted motive i'm not aware of.

Add to that the next level of augmented reality and anything can be presented as real without anyone ever noticing the differences.

Elon Musk the twitter king has made so many stupid comments on twitter that i have a hard time to believe that people are convinced this clown leads a company that is able to go to the moon.
I watched a Joe Rogan Podcast featuring Elon Musk......wtf is this guy continiously stoned or something ?
And i mean Elon Musk, not Joe Rogan the biggest sell-out in recent history when it comes to changing his firm convictions about the moonlandings the moment he received his own show....

Just how do you fake five days of micro-g?  Try again.

Quote from: suseuser on September 18, 2018, 07:32:45 AM

What's are the thoughts on the SpaceX passenger flight around the moon? Will this affect FET?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-spacex-tourism/japan-fashion-guru-maezawa-lands-first-spacex-moon-flight-idUSKCN1LX2IY

A new cgi makes has started to work. Nobody give a shit to it.

In a couple of years ,everyone who wants to visit space ,will can.Even you ,flat earthers.If you can afford it ,of corse.What excuse will you use then ?

Quote from: wise on September 18, 2018, 09:12:11 AM

Quote from: suseuser on September 18, 2018, 07:32:45 AM

What's are the thoughts on the SpaceX passenger flight around the moon? Will this affect FET?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-spacex-tourism/japan-fashion-guru-maezawa-lands-first-spacex-moon-flight-idUSKCN1LX2IY

A new cgi makes has started to work. Nobody give a shit to it.

In a couple of years ,everyone who wants to visit space ,will can.Even you ,flat earthers.If you can afford it ,of corse.What excuse will you use then ?

That they were presented with a virtual reality simulation that seemed just as they were led to believe.
Contrary evidence simply drives a conspiratard deeper into their make-believe world. Ask any psychologist.
This might be interesting The Psychology of Conspiracy Theories And one little bit:

people who try to debunk conspiracy theories may, themselves, be part of the conspiracy.

I was curious when VR was going to enter the discussion. It would be incredibly difficult to fake zero gravity for several days. Unless SpaceX has mastered anti-gravity.

Good luck with faking that. 5 days in a weightless environment with it being filmed 24/7 in high definition VR? Impossible.

https://digest.bps.org.uk/2017/04/05/why-more-highly-educated-people-are-less-into-conspiracy-theories/

Importantly, Van Prooijen said his findings help make sense of why education can contribute to “a less paranoid society” even when conspiracy theories are not explicitly challenged. “By teaching children analytic thinking skills along with the insight that societal problems often have no simple solutions, by stimulating a sense of control, and by promoting a sense that one is a valued member of society, education is likely to install the mental tools that are needed to approach far-fetched conspiracy theories with a healthy dose of skepticism.”

Ahhh only dumb people fall into the the trap of conspiracies i see 

But what’s with all the highly educated people in the UN and whatever global organisation ?
‘Joe the plumber’ is to simplistic to understand what it takes to change this world for the better......wait...

Since almost every leader or induvidual part of a global organisation with real power is highly educated, why do the overall results suck big time ?
Unedicated people couldn’t do any worse could they ?
Highly educated, power abuse and narcissism work well togeher so it seems.
Of course many highly educated people in charge do not fall for conspiracies, because most conspiracies point directly to them in a negative way.

Ahhh only dumb people fall into the the trap of conspiracies i see 

But what’s with all the highly educated people in the UN and whatever global organisation ?
‘Joe the plumber’ is to simplistic to understand what it takes to change this world for the better......wait...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

And the studies do not exactly tie IQ into the mix. They discuss the effects of education, though, to be precise, not the "education"* flat earthers like to bash.

I re-quote:
"By teaching children analytic thinking skills along with the insight that societal problems often have no simple solutions, by stimulating a sense of control, and by promoting a sense that one is a valued member of society"

*The ”force-fed” so-called "false science", and whatever it is that causes FE to cry foul.

It is also funny you bring up Joe the Plumber in a deragotary manner. I would never tell that guy how to do his job as I know fuck all about his trade. I am not dumb enough to do so. You on the other hand, along with the majority of FE, have no such qualms.

You make fun of a study you have no means to conduct, nor the skillset to process the data even if you did.

And herein lies the crux of my main gripe with FE: it consists of people who do not know, yet claim to do so. You dodge questions presented to you as you have no answers, you beat around the bush trying to appear as if you know better. It rings hollow. And that is quite sad. I do not understand how someone can go on lying about things hoping and/or thinking it will make it true.

Quote from: rvlvr on September 24, 2018, 11:22:28 PM

https://digest.bps.org.uk/2017/04/05/why-more-highly-educated-people-are-less-into-conspiracy-theories/

Importantly, Van Prooijen said his findings help make sense of why education can contribute to “a less paranoid society” even when conspiracy theories are not explicitly challenged. “By teaching children analytic thinking skills along with the insight that societal problems often have no simple solutions, by stimulating a sense of control, and by promoting a sense that one is a valued member of society, education is likely to install the mental tools that are needed to approach far-fetched conspiracy theories with a healthy dose of skepticism.”

Ahhh only dumb people fall into the the trap of conspiracies i see 

But what’s with all the highly educated people in the UN and whatever global organisation ?
‘Joe the plumber’ is to simplistic to understand what it takes to change this world for the better......wait...

Since almost every leader or induvidual part of a global organisation with real power is highly educated, why do the overall results suck big time ?
Unedicated people couldn’t do any worse could they ?
Highly educated, power abuse and narcissism work well togeher so it seems.
Of course many highly educated people in charge do not fall for conspiracies, because most conspiracies point directly to them in a negative way.

Funny how all you ever seem to do is attack and riducule other people yet are never never able to present a flat earth model that "works".
And by "works" I mean a flat earth model that explains
      what can be observed on the earth and
      in the appearance and motions of the sun, moon, planets and stars.

If all you can do, dutchy, is to attack other people and their assumed motives, you have nothing?

Funny how all you ever seem to do is attack and riducule other people yet are never never able to present a flat earth model that "works".
And by "works" I mean a flat earth model that explains
      what can be observed on the earth and
      in the appearance and motions of the sun, moon, planets and stars.

If all you can do, dutchy, is to attack other people and their assumed motives, you have nothing?

What are you smoking today rabinoz ?
I was merely reacting on an article that claimed that highly educated people aren’t so easily seduced by conspiracies.....we all understand the implications don’t we ?
Highly educated people ‘understand’ how this world works and ‘turns around’ because they were properly educated and can wrap their heads around complicated stuff better.
The ‘flatearth’ is simply the results of absent education and poor understanding of complicated matters that one cannot understand after watching a couple of biased YouTube vids featuring a highschool drop out trying to steal some money from the foolish internet flog.

Now that is the very essence of Globeling ridicule and you have come over here to add some more and accuse me of the thing that is YOUR very essence at the flatearth forums.
Not so nice of you rabinoz.

To counter the arguement about the superiourity of highly educated people and their wisdom about the universe and reality without conspiracies, i rightfully pointed out that the highly educated rule this world’s bigger agenda and the lesser gifted have to obey their economical and financial model (among many more) on a daily basis.
Furthermore our reality is highjacked  and we have to swallow the cosmological manure, evolution and modern forms of nihilism that has created a consumers society that has many victims especcially among the not so highly educated.
Bad habits and poor health are  the results of a society mainly constructed by highly educated people, because the lesser educated were hardly ever in a position to invent whatever global agenda.

That is not ridicule my friend but a true sense of reality.
How long will you defend the evil and wicked of this world ?

And o yes.... presenting a working model is the least important of things.
Most important is to get rid of the bullshit that your hero’s have served on the hypothetical table of the general public for ages... to gain more control over each and every induvidual thought.

I was merely reacting on an article that claimed that highly educated people aren’t so easily seduced by conspiracies.....we all understand the implications don’t we ?
Highly educated people ‘understand’ how this world works and ‘turns around’ because they were properly educated and can wrap their heads around complicated stuff better.

No, that is not the implication of that article.  The implication is that educated people tend to be better at critical thinking than less educated people.  Critical thinking is not necessarily an innate ability, so that's why often times it must be taught.

And o yes.... presenting a working model is the least important of things.
Most important is to get rid of the bullshit that your hero’s have served on the hypothetical table of the general public for ages... to gain more control over each and every induvidual thought.

I strongly disagree.  It isn't enough to simply disprove RET.  FE'ers must present a better alternative.  A working model that can stand up to the barest minimum of critical examination by even the most feeble of minds is the very least that anyone can ask of FET.

Quote from: dutchy on September 25, 2018, 07:12:49 AM

I was merely reacting on an article that claimed that highly educated people aren’t so easily seduced by conspiracies.....we all understand the implications don’t we ?
Highly educated people ‘understand’ how this world works and ‘turns around’ because they were properly educated and can wrap their heads around complicated stuff better.

No, that is not the implication of that article.  The implication is that educated people tend to be better at critical thinking than less educated people.  Critical thinking is not necessarily an innate ability, so that's why often times it must be taught.

Wrong markjo....
Why did ''YOUR'' outlet Neil de Grasse Tyson claim that the educational system has failed ...why did Neil claim this  ?
Because the modern educational system mostly teaches ''facts and numbers'' engraved in stone,  instead of providing unique tools to question everything and promote critical thinking resulting in an time consuming process of thought...time that nobody has and certainly not during higher education and the pressure that comes with getting your degree in time.

The reason why highly educated people trust what they think is reality instead of relying on obvious conspiracies (like 9/11 and the Apollo hoax) has more to do with how they were educated and trained to receive info and process that info...
''swallow the facts''...''no time for critical thinking'', because some really, really bright and smart people in the past and present have gone through those thought processes for you....  
The moment highly educated people are confronted with well established ''facts'' on the news or wherever in daily life is similar to how they received their higher education.
An authority of any kind presents a well formulated lecture and you have only time to archive and process the flood of info...let alone be critical about any of it.

I call it check mate.....mate 

Keep on dodging, dutchy!

It is also funny you bring up Joe the Plumber in a deragotary manner. I would never tell that guy how to do his job as I know fuck all about his trade. I am not dumb enough to do so. You on the other hand, along with the majority of FE, have no such qualms.

Ahh you are so full of praise of the skillset of an average plumber, but the moment the average ''plumber'' demands the same financial reward as a highly educated person the ''plumber'' needs to be put into his/her insignificant place.
That's how the educated ''see'' this world...i on the other hand truly believe a plumber should earn as much as anyone. And no one should earn more than what is essential in life which is very modest.
I object to the arrogant bunch of self proclaimed ''übermenschen'' who take care for themselves without modesty but condamn others into poverty and insignificance.
And higher education is indeed a very poor excuse to open the doors to financial greed and reward contrary to those not able to follow higher education.
Critical thinking my ass......

You make fun of a study you have no means to conduct, nor the skillset to process the data even if you did.

Of course i do...i pointed out errors that are maybe over your head.
Our entire educational system is authority based from day one !!
You simple have to store so much data, numbers and info into your brain that no one needs to fundamentally challenge a thing.
At best one can built upon the foundations and construction of others and expand in the dim areas of science to claim something really ''new''.
Therefor a simple request to show the curvature based on a hardware device and structural enginering instead of optical claims derived from eyesight only is rejected all the time.
No one should have the slightest objection ...to the contrary !!!
But ''you'' hang on to your optical illusions rather than to show earth's curvature in a superiour way to end this once and for all.

And herein lies the crux of my main gripe with FE: it consists of people who do not know, yet claim to do so. You dodge questions presented to you as you have no answers, you beat around the bush trying to appear as if you know better. It rings hollow. And that is quite sad. I do not understand how someone can go on lying about things hoping and/or thinking it will make it true.

You should ask any highly educated person you can find and ask him a couple of questions about the globe......
Be surprised how little they know about their tilted spinning globe in an ever expanding universe....

So please don't go there.... i know a lot more than many highly educated persons about the current hypothetical heliocentric model.
But this reality would totally undermine your assumptions about flatearthers....we are dumb and uneducated in essence....
While the truth is that most highly educated persons were very good in collecting data, remembering tests, deliver during examines, but hardly ever question their reality, let alone develop critical thinking skills.

I know why you all are here and not at some ''globeshit'' forum, because there are very few and all the excitement and free thinking happens over here....
So instead of criticising us you should show a little more gratitude.

I do not quite follow. What the fuck have the financial rewards of the plumber to do with what I said? They are pros, and you ain't. You put them down. I did not.

Socialism/communism, dutchy?

That's what you believe in? (No surprise here)!

A plumber, as important as they are, do not deserve the same financial compensation as say, an airline pilot, or a neurosurgeon. People who literally have your life in their hands.

Becoming a plumber is comparatively easy. Under your utopian society, people would need to be TOLD what their occupation was to be. Otherwise, the globe would be covered with plumbers, and lack neurosurgeons.

Quote from: markjo on September 25, 2018, 08:54:12 AM

Quote from: dutchy on September 25, 2018, 07:12:49 AM

I was merely reacting on an article that claimed that highly educated people aren’t so easily seduced by conspiracies.....we all understand the implications don’t we ?
Highly educated people ‘understand’ how this world works and ‘turns around’ because they were properly educated and can wrap their heads around complicated stuff better.

No, that is not the implication of that article.  The implication is that educated people tend to be better at critical thinking than less educated people.  Critical thinking is not necessarily an innate ability, so that's why often times it must be taught.

Wrong markjo....
Why did ''YOUR'' outlet Neil de Grasse Tyson claim that the educational system has failed ...why did Neil claim this  ?
Because the modern educational system mostly teaches ''facts and numbers'' engraved in stone,  instead of providing unique tools to question everything and promote critical thinking resulting in an time consuming process of thought...time that nobody has and certainly not during higher education and the pressure that comes with getting your degree in time.

Sure, "Neil de Grasse Tyson claimed that the educational system has failed" for exactly the reason you say.
But certainly, well "educated people tend to be better at critical thinking than less educated people.  Critical thinking is not necessarily an innate ability, so that's why often times it must be taught."

The reason why highly educated people trust what they think is reality instead of relying on obvious conspiracies (like 9/11 and the Apollo hoax) has more to do with how they were educated and trained to receive info and process that info...

You say "obvious conspiracies" because you think that explains everything but you simply so much contrary evidence.
Of course, that is how conspiracy theorists think. It seems that any "contrary evidence" just bolster belief in that conspiracy and
anyone presenting such "contrary evidence" is obviously "part of the conspiracy".

But the failings in our modern educational system is why so many fall prey to these false conspiracies (though I'll but out of the 9/11 one - I don't have the expertise!)
All it then takes is someone to present false evidence, as moon Hoax proponents do, and ordinary people cannot sort out the facts from the fiction.

''swallow the facts''...''no time for critical thinking'', because some really, really bright and smart people in the past and present have gone through those thought processes for you....  
The moment highly educated people are confronted with well established ''facts'' on the news or wherever in daily life is similar to how they received their higher education.

I do not agree! I don't know whether I'd be classed in these "highly educated people" of yours but when I get confronted by new "facts" I certainly don't just accept them.
I try to make sense of those "facts" and try to fit them into what I understand already.
Sometimes they don't so I look further and sometimes I incorrectly discard these new "facts" - as I did when I first read about "transistors" in Radio and Hobbies - how wrong I was!

The problem is not just, or even mainly, "higher education". It's a good education that guards against swallowing incorrect data.
It's the ordinary person in the street that hasn't firm understanding of how things work that is the biggest problem.

An authority of any kind presents a well formulated lecture and you have only time to archive and process the flood of info...let alone be critical about any of it.

Sure, the flood of data is a big part of the problem and I don't have an answer to that but like it or no the data is there.
I feel that too many "facts" are presented before your people have the background to understand the situation and that leaves them open to all these problems.

But the topic is "BFR flight around the Moon" and so the real issue here is the shape of the the earth and the distance to the moon and whether such a flight is feasible.

I think I've asked many times just when do you and other flat earthers think that this conspiracy to hide the shape of the earth, etc, started? It was certainly many centuries before NASA turned up!

A plumber, as important as they are, do not deserve the same financial compensation as say, an airline pilot,

Actually, airline pilot wages have tanked, in europe at least.   There are plenty of plumbers round my way (London) earning more than pilots.

Balpa’s research found that most newly qualified pilots in their first airline job have between £500 and £1,000 to live on a month, while one in six say they will have to scrape by on £500 or less.

While the job of a pilot comes with connotations of exotic destinations and a glamorous life, the reality is very different.

Data supplied by Balpa show that unless freshly qualified pilots manage to get a job with a major flag-carrying airline such as British Airways they can expect to earn about £27,000 to £29,000 a year, eventually climbing to a basic salary before allowances of £56,000 to £66,000 as a captain with more than a decade’s service and four to eight years in command.

That's after going into £100,000 debt in training.   Fuck that.

Average airline pilot salary 130,000
Neurosurgeon 609,000

Average plumber salary 50,000

Quick Google results.

Socialism/communism, dutchy?

That's what you believe in? (No surprise here)!

Realism when one takes into account earth's resources, population and the true meaning of life. Then all recent systems like nazism, capitalism and communism are pure evil.
No surprise that you do not understand.

A plumber, as important as they are, do not deserve the same financial compensation as say, an airline pilot, or a neurosurgeon. People who literally have your life in their hands.

Becoming a plumber is comparatively easy. Under your utopian society, people would need to be TOLD what their occupation was to be. Otherwise, the globe would be covered with plumbers, and lack neurosurgeons.

No... i know a lot of highly educated pro musicians that earn less than 'plumbers' but their passion for music is stronger than a desire to gain more financial reward.
Many people in essence are willing to do what they are capable of and what challenges them.
The whole absurdity of certain financial rewards based on an even more absurd system of rankings on the social ladder have screwed humanity for far to long.
We will ruin earth and everything on it unless we begin from scratch and alter these wicked reward systems that are everywhere and based on anything but equality for in essence the same beings.

Quote from: Here to laugh at you on September 25, 2018, 03:34:42 PM

Socialism/communism, dutchy?

That's what you believe in? (No surprise here)!

Realism when one takes into account earth's resources, population and the true meaning of life. Then all recent systems like nazism, capitalism and communism are pure evil.
No surprise that you do not understand.

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A plumber, as important as they are, do not deserve the same financial compensation as say, an airline pilot, or a neurosurgeon. People who literally have your life in their hands.

Becoming a plumber is comparatively easy. Under your utopian society, people would need to be TOLD what their occupation was to be. Otherwise, the globe would be covered with plumbers, and lack neurosurgeons.

No... i know a lot of highly educated pro musicians that earn less than 'plumbers' but their passion for music is stronger than a desire to gain more financial reward.
Many people in essence are willing to do what they are capable of and what challenges them.
The whole absurdity of certain financial rewards based on an even more absurd system of rankings on the social ladder have screwed humanity for far to long.
We will ruin earth and everything on it unless we begin from scratch and alter these wicked reward systems that are everywhere and based on anything but equality for in essence the same beings.

How much force are you willing to use against people who reject your fantasy?

Quote from: dutchy on September 26, 2018, 03:34:55 PM

Quote from: Here to laugh at you on September 25, 2018, 03:34:42 PM

Socialism/communism, dutchy?

That's what you believe in? (No surprise here)!

Realism when one takes into account earth's resources, population and the true meaning of life. Then all recent systems like nazism, capitalism and communism are pure evil.
No surprise that you do not understand.

Quote

A plumber, as important as they are, do not deserve the same financial compensation as say, an airline pilot, or a neurosurgeon. People who literally have your life in their hands.

Becoming a plumber is comparatively easy. Under your utopian society, people would need to be TOLD what their occupation was to be. Otherwise, the globe would be covered with plumbers, and lack neurosurgeons.

No... i know a lot of highly educated pro musicians that earn less than 'plumbers' but their passion for music is stronger than a desire to gain more financial reward.
Many people in essence are willing to do what they are capable of and what challenges them.
The whole absurdity of certain financial rewards based on an even more absurd system of rankings on the social ladder have screwed humanity for far to long.
We will ruin earth and everything on it unless we begin from scratch and alter these wicked reward systems that are everywhere and based on anything but equality for in essence the same beings.

How much force are you willing to use against people who reject your fantasy?

All the force that is needed to heal others.
Zero use of force that destroys or corrupts.
Problem is most people are far more familiar with the negative connotation of 'force'.....

All the force that is needed to heal others.
Zero use of force that destroys or corrupts.
Problem is most people are far more familiar with the negative connotation of 'force'.....

I flat-out 100% reject your vision of nirvana and will not comply.
Am I immune from compliance? 

Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 26, 2018, 03:53:03 PM

How much force are you willing to use against people who reject your fantasy?

All the force that is needed to heal others.

Please explain this "force that  . . . . . . heals others". Do you plan to "cull the herd" like New Earth does to those who do not comply.
Then who decides if they need healing? You?