Looking for people to do some experiments

Hey ya'll... I want to put together a video documenting several people doing experiments. The mantra of the FE movement seems to be "do the research" right? Let's do a little research and show how it's done.

What I want to do first is a super simple experiment about perspective. You can participate completely anonymously if you want.

What will I have to do? Not very much... this is a baby step here. I'll ask you a few questions, ask you to take a photograph of something showing perspective, take some measurements of your own photo, make a graph of your measurements, and share them. Then I'll ask you to interpret the results.

Anyone interested/willing to participate?

What will I have to do? Not very much...

Yes. That much is clear. Your name suggests you can "science" things, yet you want everyone else to do work for you so you can make a video and take credit? Good luck.

What will I have to do? Not very much... this is a baby step here. I'll ask you a few questions, ask you to take a photograph of something showing perspective, take some measurements of your own photo, make a graph of your measurements, and share them. Then I'll ask you to interpret the results.

Anyone interested/willing to participate?

I'll do it.

Your name suggests you can "science" things, yet you want everyone else to do work for you so you can make a video and take credit? Good luck.

@boydster You seem to have misunderstood. I've done the experiment. I'm looking for others to repeat the experiment. You see, it is my belief that the truth can be found through experimentation, and I do not think taking someone's word for it counts as proof of anything. You can look on the internet today and find "evidence" supporting anything you want to believe. How can you tell which "evidence" is real, and which is false? I'll tell you how, do the experiment yourself. What I would like to document is how doing an experiment affects the point of view of the experimenter.

So far, only Bullwinkle has stepped up. I'm really hoping to get a wider range of different points of view involved - particularly several FEs.

Hey Bullwinkle. Did you get the info? I emailed you. Did you get it?

Hey ya'll... I want to put together a video documenting several people doing experiments. The mantra of the FE movement seems to be "do the research" right? Let's do a little research and show how it's done.

What I want to do first is a super simple experiment about perspective. You can participate completely anonymously if you want.

What will I have to do? Not very much... this is a baby step here. I'll ask you a few questions, ask you to take a photograph of something showing perspective, take some measurements of your own photo, make a graph of your measurements, and share them. Then I'll ask you to interpret the results.

Anyone interested/willing to participate?

You won't find a single, actual flat earther that will do an experiment to actually try and prove the flat earth.  Every attempt in the past has proven the earth is round, so these trolls just sit around and pretend all day.  That is all they have left.

Icansciencethat,

While I appreciate your drive to further our understanding of human biology I must ask you to tread very lightly here. Experimentation on human subjects must be considered very carefully lest it violates the laws of God, man and this forum.

Icansciencethat,

While I appreciate your drive to further our understanding of human biology I must ask you to tread very lightly here. Experimentation on human subjects must be considered very carefully lest it violates the laws of God, man and this forum.

Except, the existence of this forum directly enables experimentation on human subjects.

The existence of Earth enables experiments on human subjects. Have you heard about people getting probed by aliens?

The existence of Earth enables experiments on human subjects. Have you heard about people getting probed by aliens?

I have heard about it, but never witnessed it myself, so therefore it can't be true.

Quote from: boydster on May 27, 2018, 08:27:05 PM

Your name suggests you can "science" things, yet you want everyone else to do work for you so you can make a video and take credit? Good luck.

@boydster You seem to have misunderstood. I've done the experiment. I'm looking for others to repeat the experiment. You see, it is my belief that the truth can be found through experimentation, and I do not think taking someone's word for it counts as proof of anything. You can look on the internet today and find "evidence" supporting anything you want to believe. How can you tell which "evidence" is real, and which is false? I'll tell you how, do the experiment yourself. What I would like to document is how doing an experiment affects the point of view of the experimenter.

So far, only Bullwinkle has stepped up. I'm really hoping to get a wider range of different points of view involved - particularly several FEs.

A number of FE experiments are "real" but, it's when they report conclusions that lunacy creeps in. 

An example fo FE experiment:

Pour water over a ball.  Make an observation.  Naturally, the water will run off the sides.  Therefore, the world is flat.

If you think I am kidding you... just go look at the pile of YouTube videos, where people are recreating this and coming to the same conclusion.

Hey Bullwinkle. Did you get the info? I emailed you. Did you get it?

Yes. I used the 10x10 grid to spell NO. 


I think he tried to the best of his ability.
Check it out:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeLXshSjVkWswmdGUlh6YztQOk-woesW0MGXMRl2_U7uH4brg/viewform

I'll participate.

I've gotten Bullwinkle's initial response. I await your photo and graph.

I'll participate.

I just need to email you the documents. PM me if you'd like to provide your email privately.

I'll participate.

I am not sure a photo of your padded room at the nut hut is going to be that much of a contribution.

Haven't gotten any further responses. This is an easy opportunity to step up and prove that FEs do real experiments.

Haven't gotten any further responses. This is an easy opportunity to step up and prove that FEs do real experiments.

I couldn’t even get my friend (a flat earther, the reason I originally came here) to hold up a ping pong ball when the sun and moon are both visible and compare the appearance of both. He also believes the moon is flat, which is also easily shown false. Bottom line, flat earthers are absolutely terrified of experimentation because it will put their imagination face to face with reality. They have decided to find comfort in their fantasy, rather than face the (sometimes) uncomfortable facts of life.

Hey ya'll... I want to put together a video documenting several people doing experiments. The mantra of the FE movement seems to be "do the research" right? Let's do a little research and show how it's done.

What I want to do first is a super simple experiment about perspective. You can participate completely anonymously if you want.

What will I have to do? Not very much... this is a baby step here. I'll ask you a few questions, ask you to take a photograph of something showing perspective, take some measurements of your own photo, make a graph of your measurements, and share them. Then I'll ask you to interpret the results.

Anyone interested/willing to participate?

Perhaps what you have discovered is:

People are not interested in "showing people how it's done" by doing someone else's research.

People are not interested in participating in a process where they are not actively involved in generating the hypothesis and the test methods, but rather are being led by the hand, blind, through the first portion of a process that you clearly have insight into the entire anticipated series of steps. In fact, you even used the phrase "this is a baby step here" giving away that you have thought out at least some of the remaining steps while simultaneously hinting at condescension. You don't want research collaborators, you want research study subjects.

People are not interested in participating in a study which simultaneously proclaims
"You can participate completely anonymously if you want"
and
"Email address*                                              *Required"

There is nothing intellectually appealing in what you have presented so far.


It is prudent to remember at this time the fallacy of the argument from silence. Refusal to participate in your "research" is not evidence for or against the argument. To draw the conclusion that Flat Earthers are "absolutely terrified" because of a lack of response is unwarranted.

I welcome your insight.

Can you suggest improvements?

I'd be happy to walk-back the experiment and instead pose merely the question and have participants come up with experiments by themselves. Is that better?

The anonymous thing is a good point. When I offer anonymity, I mean to say I will not publish your information if you don't want me to. The email is required so that results can be associated with the pre-experiment survey. Nothing more.

Since the pre-experiment survey alludes to this, the experiment is designed to answer the question, "How far away is the vanishing point?"

The point is not to provide the answer or to debate the answer. The point is for each of us to find the answer ourselves.

You can email me the information at [email protected]

Sign me up.

Sign me up.

I just need your email address to send you the forms. You can post it here, PM me, or email me at [email protected]

Looking forward to it.

Hey Gang,

Several people have complained about the form asking for your email address... I've removed that.

I haven't received anything.

I haven't received anything.

Did you send me an email? Was the Subject heading "Science Me"? If so, I sent it to you. Sunday at 1:18 am (pacific time). I'll resend.

If that wasn't you, then PM me on here so I can get your email address fixed up.

I assume this is the experiment you have been talking about.
If so, I am willing to participate but I see no reason why you need email addresses.
You should be able to post all the details here or in a pm and just get the pictures and graph sent.
If you need other documents you can share them via google docs.
That way everyone can know they are getting the same instructions.

So what else is required?
I gather you need a grid with something drawn on it with pictures taken from a few different distances?

Also, if this is the form:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeLXshSjVkWswmdGUlh6YztQOk-woesW0MGXMRl2_U7uH4brg/viewform

The last question isn't actually answerable as it depends upon how close it starts and where it actually is.
It only applies as it gets quite small and can be approximated as tan(x)~=x for small x, or to put it another way, where the distance between the different parts of the object are roughly equal.

As an example, an object that is 1 m tall, 1 m away will appear to take up 45 degrees of your vision when you look directly at an end, but 53 degrees if you look at the centre.
If you move it so it is twice the distance away, it will then take up ~27 degrees when viewed at an end, or 28 if you look at the middle.
Note that this doesn't follow a simple relation of being half the angle, it is slightly more than 1/2.
However, if it starts at 100 m away, then it takes up roughly 0.57 degrees regardless of where you look at it (e.g. end or middle) and if you double the distance it will take up roughly half of that (0.286 degrees).

I haven't received anything.

Got it. Thanks.

I assume this is the experiment you have been talking about.
If so, I am willing to participate but I see no reason why you need email addresses.
You should be able to post all the details here or in a pm and just get the pictures and graph sent.
If you need other documents you can share them via google docs.
That way everyone can know they are getting the same instructions.

I would prefer not to have people spout out their answers until everyone has had a chance to perform the experiment. The point is not to be told the answers or to look up the answers. I would like everyone to have the opportunity to discover the answers.

And no, you don't need to give me your email. Feel free to pm me instead. That's fine. I'd prefer you didn't post your answers publicly until others have had their chance first though.

In that spirit, here are the first 2 documents:
The form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeLXshSjVkWswmdGUlh6YztQOk-woesW0MGXMRl2_U7uH4brg/viewform?usp=sf_link
The experiment: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1M_Qhcexuac2dsv4OzdbdnNFTY4F6dknQ42UMEpzXnno/edit?usp=sharing

Feel free to design a different experiment if you like. The point of the experiment is to answer the question, "How far away is the vanishing point?"
(And don't shout out the answer if you know it already... let others have a chance first)

I've gotten 5 responses to the pre-experiment form so far, and the answers are varied nicely. I'm pretty excited about that. Has anyone taken the photo yet or done the measurements?

Email me your photo and graph at [email protected] (or PM it to me if you don't want to email)

I've gotten 5 responses to the pre-experiment form so far, and the answers are varied nicely. I'm pretty excited about that. Has anyone taken the photo yet or done the measurements?

Email me your photo and graph at [email protected] (or PM it to me if you don't want to email)

I'm done. Will send.