How does the sun and moon just hover above flat earth

I hope that at the end of this discussion there will be an answer to my question.

I hope that at the end of this discussion there will be an answer to my question.

It doesn't just hover.  You're asking someone to explain something that doesn't happen.  Good Lord... you're just asking for someone to hand you a bucket of hog shit 

Quote from: Cinnamon buns on May 31, 2018, 04:14:55 AM

I hope that at the end of this discussion there will be an answer to my question.

It doesn't just hover.  You're asking someone to explain something that doesn't happen.  Good Lord... you're just asking for someone to hand you a bucket of hog shit 

On a flat earth model I see the sun and moon simply hovering above the flat earth. I want to see what caused that. I hope the answer the flat earthers made would be smart and not some made up bullshit.

Quote from: Really on May 31, 2018, 04:42:04 AM

Quote from: Cinnamon buns on May 31, 2018, 04:14:55 AM

I hope that at the end of this discussion there will be an answer to my question.

It doesn't just hover.  You're asking someone to explain something that doesn't happen.  Good Lord... you're just asking for someone to hand you a bucket of hog shit 

On a flat earth model I see the sun and moon simply hovering above the flat earth. I want to see what caused that. I hope the answer the flat earthers made would be smart and not some made up bullshit.

Mate... an FE won't say that it just hovers.  One of the objects has to be moving.  In their world, the sun is rotating above the earth.  However, I have heard some FEs say the earth was rotating yet, they fail to then explain why the oceans don't go sailing off into space under that dumbass belief.  You can't gravity in their world either. 

You injected something I consider to be a mutually exclusive condition into your question... You said, "smart", "flat earther".  Mate... I've not met encountered one who can actually offer a rational discussion.  Seriously, I would be more than happy to have a scientific discussion on that basis.  I guess we both read through this mess in search of the same thing.  Hmmmm... "In Search Of"... we need Leonard Nimoy here to narrate the discussion.   Hah... obvious, boomer reference

OK. So, no answers yet? OK I can wait.

Really is taking a short break to think about ways he can be more polite to his fellow posters.  He'll return soon.

OK. So, no answers yet? OK I can wait.

How many answers do you need before you stop claiming that nobody has given you an answer?  Please, give us a number.

Quote from: Cinnamon buns on June 02, 2018, 10:03:59 PM

OK. So, no answers yet? OK I can wait.

How many answers do you need before you stop claiming that nobody has given you an answer?  Please, give us a number.

Just answer the main question. How does the sun stay above earth. The aerthal whirlpool thing doesn't make any sense. Also phlogiston was disproven a long time ago.

Oh, so you are not interested in differing opinions from your own and are only wanting answers that back up your own beliefs.  You should have said that from the start so people would not have wasted time trying to talk logic and reasoning with you. 

Oh, so you are not interested in differing opinions from your own and are only wanting answers that back up your own beliefs.  You should have said that from the start so people would not have wasted time trying to talk logic and reasoning with you.

An unfounded claim can't seriously be considered an answer. It is like saying 'magic' but with another word.
You need something which can either be predicted, replicated, detected, compared or as a minimum, explained using reason to be considered a decent answer in my opinion.

So far the flat earth answers have been words with no reasons or explanations of how they fit into the model and no concensus from other flat earthers as to the most logical and reasonable cause.

I'm not even saying you need proof or a final conclusion, but an answer should be more than a word, or I could say they are being held up by electro magnetic strings to the dome, and that would constitute an answer (is that reasonable?)

Oh, so you are not interested in differing opinions from your own and are only wanting answers that back up your own beliefs.  You should have said that from the start so people would not have wasted time trying to talk logic and reasoning with you.

No one has answered except you and you weren't reasoning. And aerthal whirlpools aren't logic, your answer must also show how they work.

Quote from: jroa on June 03, 2018, 06:51:46 AM

Oh, so you are not interested in differing opinions from your own and are only wanting answers that back up your own beliefs.  You should have said that from the start so people would not have wasted time trying to talk logic and reasoning with you.

No one has answered except you and you weren't reasoning. And aerthal whirlpools aren't logic, your answer must also show how they work.

Well, maybe if you don't want flat Earth answers, you should not ask flat Earth questions. 

Quote from: Cinnamon buns on June 04, 2018, 04:47:20 AM

Quote from: jroa on June 03, 2018, 06:51:46 AM

Oh, so you are not interested in differing opinions from your own and are only wanting answers that back up your own beliefs.  You should have said that from the start so people would not have wasted time trying to talk logic and reasoning with you.

No one has answered except you and you weren't reasoning. And aerthal whirlpools aren't logic, your answer must also show how they work.

Well, maybe if you don't want flat Earth answers, you should not ask flat Earth questions.

So, you are claiming that your answers are 'flat earth answers'.
Since your answers do nothing to reason, provide logic, simulations, math, ect. We should expect nothing else from flat earth answers? You only made unproven and illogical claims without anything to back them up.

Quote from: Cinnamon buns on June 04, 2018, 04:47:20 AM

Quote from: jroa on June 03, 2018, 06:51:46 AM

Oh, so you are not interested in differing opinions from your own and are only wanting answers that back up your own beliefs.  You should have said that from the start so people would not have wasted time trying to talk logic and reasoning with you.

No one has answered except you and you weren't reasoning. And aerthal whirlpools aren't logic, your answer must also show how they work.

Well, maybe if you don't want flat Earth answers, you should not ask flat Earth questions.

So flat earth answers have no evidence. Come on you got to show me how the aerthel whirlpools work.

the sun and moon don't hover over the earth because the earth isn't flat. and it isn't a real scientifical theory it is a conspiracy theory

the sun and moon don't hover over the earth because the earth isn't flat. and it isn't a real scientifical theory it is a conspiracy theory

I know that. I just need some information from flat earthers so I can figure out how they think.

they dont

anyways, their conspiracy theory is based on the fact that they just can't make sense of gravity. they think that al the water and people will just fall off. what they don't understand is that gravity is like a magnet that pulls towards a mass, not away from it. and then of course there is no sense of direction in space and so where would we "fall" to? there is no down; there is no gravity in space.

Flow around a flat plate cylinder results in the formation of stable von Karman vortices. The heavens appear to be so ensconced.

can you dumb that down a little please?

can you dumb that down a little please?

The heavens are caught in stable vortices above the earth.

Flow around a flat plate cylinder results in the formation of stable von Karman vortices. The heavens appear to be so ensconced.

Sure sure, but that sounds very made up.

"Flow around a flat plate cylinder results in the formation of stable von Karman vortices."
Where is the flat plate cylinder on the flat earth? And how can the vortices account for the movement of the sun and moon, when the vortices would follow each other and the sun/moon does not.

well said.

Quote from: Ski on June 04, 2018, 06:00:26 AM

Flow around a flat plate cylinder results in the formation of stable von Karman vortices. The heavens appear to be so ensconced.

Sure sure, but that sounds very made up.

"Flow around a flat plate cylinder results in the formation of stable von Karman vortices."
Where is the flat plate cylinder on the flat earth? And how can the vortices account for the movement of the sun and moon, when the vortices would follow each other and the sun/moon does not.

The flat plate cylinder is the flat earth. The sun (and solar system) and moon are both in their own stable vortex. The rest of the heavens in another.

Quote from: SphericalEarther on June 04, 2018, 06:14:27 AM

Quote from: Ski on June 04, 2018, 06:00:26 AM

Flow around a flat plate cylinder results in the formation of stable von Karman vortices. The heavens appear to be so ensconced.

Sure sure, but that sounds very made up.

"Flow around a flat plate cylinder results in the formation of stable von Karman vortices."
Where is the flat plate cylinder on the flat earth? And how can the vortices account for the movement of the sun and moon, when the vortices would follow each other and the sun/moon does not.

The flat plate cylinder is the flat earth. The sun (and solar system) and moon are both in their own stable vortex. The rest of the heavens in another.

Please enlighten me as to the flat disc earth being a flat plate cylinder... I simply can't picture it. A flat plate cylinder in my mind, is the shape like an empty roll of toilet paper.

I can picture the sun and moon being held up by each their vortex, no issue there except there is no basis or predictability to this.
The connection between the vortices would seemingly not be because of a von Karman vortex, as nothing suggests it and the movement of the sun and moon do not indicate it.

Flow around a flat plate cylinder results in the formation of stable von Karman vortices. The heavens appear to be so ensconced.

So no bow shock and dome now?
But that would require the "wind" to be pushing us to the side and the sun and moon to be to the side, not above.
So that clearly doesn't work.

You don't believe a flat plate causes bowshock now? You are small-minded.

You don't believe a flat plate causes bowshock now? You are small-minded.

And there you go avoiding the issues yet again.
Where have I indicated anything of the sort?

Initially you tried saying it was due to a bow-shock, now you switch to vortices.

Yet rather than try and defend your claims, you just switch to other claims and insult people.

Do you have an explanation? Yes or no?

The two phenomena may occur simultaneously. 

they dont

Every person has their own mind set, I need to know how they think. Its not that flat earthers don't think at all, its maybe something else.