I can see the curve

hello Flat earthers, i am a round earther and i would love to keep this discussion friendly.

Now see when i went to tenerife a few months back, i was able to see a clear curvature, from slightly high elevation and a very wide field of view you can see a slight curvature.
Here is a google streetview image where you can see the slight curve too, and no its not a fisheye lense, its a 360 degree camera. In the picture looks exactly the same as in real life: https://www.google.nl/maps/@28.2400847,-16.4049217,3a,75y,144.61h,96.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKFJOER-Yp9u2na62vOPpZA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Please be friendly!

You are a paid shill trying to deceive me and that image is photoshopped with a fish eye lense. Total CGI. You can't fool me. Sorry buddy, you aren't getting your paycheck this time.

hello Flat earthers, i am a round earther and i would love to keep this discussion friendly.

Now see when i went to tenerife a few months back, i was able to see a clear curvature, from slightly high elevation and a very wide field of view you can see a slight curvature.

No, you weren't able to see a slight curvature.

Here is a google streetview image where you can see the slight curve too, and no its not a fisheye lense, its a 360 degree camera.

It's not a 360 degree camera, it's separate images distorted and stitched together.

In the picture looks exactly the same as in real life: https://www.google.nl/maps/@28.2400847,-16.4049217,3a,75y,144.61h,96.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKFJOER-Yp9u2na62vOPpZA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

When I turn my head, the sizes of objects do not change. The picture does not look *exactly* the same as in real life.

The Google 360° camera are in fact several cameras, which take individual photos. These photos will be manipulated (stretched, bent, interpolated, etc.) by the Streetview software to fit against each other.

You can see that on the right of the sun glare.

Because of the sun glare Streetview can not align the left side of the horizon with the right side.

Even on a single photo, you won't see a curvature. An existing one was then caused by the camera lenses.

If the horizon is 3 km away and 6 km wide then the horizon would be in the center about 0.7 m higher than left or right. From 3 km away, this is an angular difference of about 0.01 degree, undetectable by the human eye.

I see the curvature every time I go to the beach on a clear, calm day....

The sharp horizon, only around 3-4 miles from my viewpoint is clear evidence that the planet is NOT flat!

Your eyes are curve, but the earth isn't.

Your eyes are curve, but the earth isn't.

Correct. I've never seen a guy with square eyes. Can't get any more concrete than that.

Your eyes are curve, but the earth isn't.

..and YOUR eyes are simply non-functional.

Okay yeah they are multiple camera's, but that was not my point, the image is nog changed or photoshopped in any way, what i meant was that the curve looks the same in real life as in the picture. And yes you can see the curve, no matter where you are on the road, you can see the curve since its on a higher elevation and its a clear day. You can't deny it since its not photoshopped. Now give me some real arguments other than that i am some sort of government spy who wants to kill all flat earthers. No i just want flat earthers to acknowledge this fact that you can indeed see the curve. Now give some solid counter arguments. And remember! keep it friendly!

No, you weren't able to see a slight curvature.

Yes you can see the slight curvature, if you can't then there must be something wrong with your eyes.

Another great example where you can see the curvature!

https://www.google.nl/maps/@28.1373454,-16.4597262,3a,90y,128.85h,99.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1svslG232-bYUqv6Hn44Glmw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

No its not a fisheye lens, that would have distorted it a lot more including all the surroundings.

Okay yeah they are multiple camera's, but that was not my point, the image is nog changed or photoshopped in any way, what i meant was that the curve looks the same in real life as in the picture. And yes you can see the curve, no matter where you are on the road, you can see the curve since its on a higher elevation and its a clear day. You can't deny it since its not photoshopped. Now give me some real arguments other than that i am some sort of government spy who wants to kill all flat earthers. No i just want flat earthers to acknowledge this fact that you can indeed see the curve. Now give some solid counter arguments. And remember! keep it friendly!

Looks can be deceiving.

You say it looks like it curves.

From the information you have given, if a curve exists, the amount of curvature is well below the limits of human vision and perception.

You may *imagine* you see it curve, but you do not.

All cameras have some level of distortion.
If you can see a curve in these images, which is not the result of distortion from the camera (and I mean a curved horizon, not the existence of the horizon) then the current model of a round Earth is wrong and Earth must be much smaller than we think.

And these photos are manipulated to make them fit together.
If they weren't, they wouldn't fit together.

Your eyes are curve, but the earth isn't.

Really? You'd better see your favourite doctor as soon as possible!

AndSee: Russian satellite's 121-megapixel image of Earth is most detailed yet
And for high resolution photos: Elektro-L |  Earth in the last twenty-four hours

  My eyes aren't curved that much!

Reason why flat earthers reject curvature:



They would have to admit that their large mass sitting in front of the computer isn't flat.

Another great example where you can see the curvature!

https://www.google.nl/maps/@28.1373454,-16.4597262,3a,90y,128.85h,99.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1svslG232-bYUqv6Hn44Glmw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

No its not a fisheye lens, that would have distorted it a lot more including all the surroundings.

You will have negative image effects at every location with sun glare in it. I tried it with (same road, a little bit to the north):
https://www.google.nl/maps/@28.2684279,-16.38768,3a,75y,90.39h,83.44t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYmBwYIIBVWpfqDMjb88m8Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

I made a snapshot scaled the image by factor 2 and rotated it a little bit, so that it was horizontal and I could compare it with a horizontal reference.The horizon on the left is perfectly even. On the right you also have the sun glare disturbing the image (ie.g. horizon). You can also see that the TF-1 road barrier (not the road in the background) has a curve there. The road barrier at your given location also seems to have a kink at the place with the sun glare.

Therefore, look for a location without the sun over the horizon.

You are a paid shill trying to deceive me and that image is photoshopped with a fish eye lense. Total CGI. You can't fool me. Sorry buddy, you aren't getting your paycheck this time.

CGI! CGI! Is that the FE's only argument? Its a real photo. Please provide a picture of a flat horizon.

Quote from: 1 + 1 is 3 apparently on April 25, 2018, 12:46:21 PM

You are a paid shill trying to deceive me and that image is photoshopped with a fish eye lense. Total CGI. You can't fool me. Sorry buddy, you aren't getting your paycheck this time.

CGI! CGI! Is that the FE's only argument? Its a real photo. Please provide a picture of a flat horizon.

We don't have one.  Millions, some say billions, of people have seen the edge of the earth, but taking a picture of it is strictly banned.  That's why we don't have any. 

Quote from: 1 + 1 is 3 apparently on April 25, 2018, 12:46:21 PM

You are a paid shill trying to deceive me and that image is photoshopped with a fish eye lense. Total CGI. You can't fool me. Sorry buddy, you aren't getting your paycheck this time.

CGI! CGI! Is that the FE's only argument? Its a real photo. Please provide a picture of a flat horizon.

No problem! The horizon viewed from a low elevation is flat, look:That's flat to as close as anyone could measure.

CGI! CGI! Is that the FE's only argument? Its a real photo. Please provide a picture of a flat horizon.

Ignoring mountains and the like and the unevenness of Earth, all horizons are flat.
That is because the horizon is a circle, a flat object.

Quote from: brotherhood of the dome on April 25, 2018, 01:43:15 PM

Your eyes are curve, but the earth isn't.

..and YOUR eyes are simply non-functional.

I don't think so. I have eyes in different dimensions as tangible and intangible. 

Quote from: EarthIsRoundGuys on April 25, 2018, 02:13:47 PM

Okay yeah they are multiple camera's, but that was not my point, the image is nog changed or photoshopped in any way, what i meant was that the curve looks the same in real life as in the picture. And yes you can see the curve, no matter where you are on the road, you can see the curve since its on a higher elevation and its a clear day. You can't deny it since its not photoshopped. Now give me some real arguments other than that i am some sort of government spy who wants to kill all flat earthers. No i just want flat earthers to acknowledge this fact that you can indeed see the curve. Now give some solid counter arguments. And remember! keep it friendly!

Looks can be deceiving.

You say it looks like it curves.

From the information you have given, if a curve exists, the amount of curvature is well below the limits of human vision and perception.

You may *imagine* you see it curve, but you do not.

yes the curve is very slight, but its not below the limits of human vision and perception. you can draw a straight line across the whole screen and see that there is a curve, in real life i saw a curve too. On many of these falt earth pictures of ''where is the curve'' you can't see the curve, because the field of vision is too small, when you get a wide view you can see the curve just like in real life. it really isn't below limits of human perception, you may think that a curve should be more visible, but the earth is huge, and that is why its extremely slight but still visible, what you are doing, is denying the fact that you see it, you don't want to see it, so you don't see it, but when you allow yourself to see it, you can pretty easily spot that its definately not straight.

The Google 360° camera are in fact several cameras, which take individual photos. These photos will be manipulated (stretched, bent, interpolated, etc.) by the Streetview software to fit against each other.

You can see that on the right of the sun glare.

Because of the sun glare Streetview can not align the left side of the horizon with the right side.

Even on a single photo, you won't see a curvature. An existing one was then caused by the camera lenses.

If the horizon is 3 km away and 6 km wide then the horizon would be in the center about 0.7 m higher than left or right. From 3 km away, this is an angular difference of about 0.01 degree, undetectable by the human eye.

The thing is, this is a lot further than 3 km away, this is quite a bit further actually, from that point you can see the mountains in the northen tip of tenerife, which means you can see at least 50 km away, with the with around 100 km, so yes the angular difference is a lot higher, so its detectable by the human eye.

Quote from: oHybrid on April 25, 2018, 05:11:27 PM

Quote from: 1 + 1 is 3 apparently on April 25, 2018, 12:46:21 PM

You are a paid shill trying to deceive me and that image is photoshopped with a fish eye lense. Total CGI. You can't fool me. Sorry buddy, you aren't getting your paycheck this time.

CGI! CGI! Is that the FE's only argument? Its a real photo. Please provide a picture of a flat horizon.

No problem! The horizon viewed from a low elevation is flat, look:

Scarborough Beacon 50 mm lens - cropped

That's flat to as close as anyone could measure.

yes it looks flat from a lower elevation and a small field of view, going up a little higher like the streetview, and the waves won't be blocking the view, and having a wide field of view will reveal its curve.

yes it looks flat from a lower elevation and a small field of view, going up a little higher like the streetview, and the waves won't be blocking the view, and having a wide field of view will reveal its curve.

I really would not put too much reliance in Streetview Cameras for that sort of thing.

Imagination is powerful.

Imagination is powerful.

Then go and draw a straight line right next to it and prove me that i was just imagining things.

when you get a wide view you can see the curve just like in real life.

No. When you get a wide view you typically get distortion which results in a curve. Sometimes the curve is down, sometimes it is up.

it really isn't below limits of human perception, you may think that a curve should be more visible, but the earth is huge, and that is why its extremely slight but still visible

It really is. You are trying to view a circle of radius ~ 5 km from a few m up.
That isn't going to produce a notiable curve.
Yes, Earth is huge. That is the point. It means the curve is not noticeable because you are looking at it from the wrong angle.

what you are doing, is denying the fact that you see it, you don't want to see it, so you don't see it, but when you allow yourself to see it, you can pretty easily spot that its definately not straight.

Have you considered that it might be the opposite?
You see it because you want to.

Then go and draw a straight line right next to it and prove me that i was just imagining things.

It has already been explained why your image is useless.
It is multiple images stitched together.
If you actually drew the straight line you would see the horizon appears to start at one point, drops down, jumps up on the other side of the sun and continues going down.
The glare from the sun also makes it quite difficult to see the horizon near there.

If you like, you can use this picture:

It doesn't have those issues of being stitched together or the sun.

But it curves the wrong way.

So are you sure that curve is real?
If it is, that means Earth is the wrong way around.

Your eyes are curve, but the earth isn't.

Isn't that normal to have curved eyes, after all we don't have square eyes like in Minecraft.

It has already been explained why your image is useless.
It is multiple images stitched together.
If you actually drew the straight line you would see the horizon appears to start at one point, drops down, jumps up on the other side of the sun and continues going down.
The glare from the sun also makes it quite difficult to see the horizon near there.

If you like, you can use this picture:

It doesn't have those issues of being stitched together or the sun.

But it curves the wrong way.

So are you sure that curve is real?
If it is, that means Earth is the wrong way around.

In that picture, it does not curve the other way, neither can you see the curve, because for the fifth time, that is a very small field of view,  that is what i meant, if you have a normal field of view like in real life, you can see a lot more and further since you have a 160 degree vision instead of the around 30 degrees you have here in this picture. I saw the curve in real life, and as i said, its not the picture, yes they are put together, but that doesn't change anything from what i saw in real life, because in real life i saw the curve. and my sister who doesn't know about the flat earth debate, said: oh hey you can see the curve. So no she wasn't trying to see the curve, and at the time i wasn't interested in the flat earth debate either, but i could clearly see the curve, as i have done multiple times when at the ocean. (if its a clear day) When i was in Tenerife, it was more clear than in the google streetview image, since i was able to see the island of roque nublo very clearly. My image was NOT useless, simply because the curve looks the same as in real life, and you can see it. In a different google streetview image posted by someone else: https://www.google.nl/maps/@28.2684279,-16.38768,3a,75y,90.39h,83.44t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYmBwYIIBVWpfqDMjb88m8Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Where you can still see the curve, and there is no sun. yes the image is stiched but that doesn't change how the picture looks if stiched correctly and definately does not change the curve, and at last definately does not change because i saw the exact same thing in real life.

Somehow you are saying that the picture you provided curves the wrong way, when you can't see any curve in that picture because of the  field of view.