A boat at horizont

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A boat at horizont
« on: April 24, 2018, 04:41:11 AM »
Could someone explain why i can only see the top part of the ships while they are on the horizont? I was talking whit my teacher about it and he made the following 2 experiments:

In order to test theory A: He grabbed a square recipient full of water,  placed a ship made of paper on it and then he put my eyesight parallel to ship. Unfortunaly i could verify that the boat in horizont phenomenon wasn't happening no matter how far i went.

In order to test theory B: He grabbed an orange, put 1 stick whit a rainbow color on it, said to put my eyesight parallel to the colorful stick and to slighty rotated the orange. I notice that the more i rotated, fewer and fewer the top part of the sick appeard, until it vanish.

Whit this experiment I could only conclude that earth isn't a plain, since if it was, I would be able to see the full ship independently of the distance. Earth has to have some kind of curvitude and so, the only possible options are Earth is a curve plane or a sphere.

If i missed something please let me know, thanks.
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Re: A boat at horizont
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2018, 11:08:00 AM »
That's a very interesting analogy - rotating an orange with a stick stuck in. It shows what should happen on a spherical object is what we see in reality.

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Re: A boat at horizont
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2018, 11:23:02 AM »
Could someone explain why i can only see the top part of the ships while they are on the horizont? I was talking whit my teacher about it and he made the following 2 experiments:

In order to test theory A: He grabbed a square recipient full of water,  placed a ship made of paper on it and then he put my eyesight parallel to ship. Unfortunaly i could verify that the boat in horizont phenomenon wasn't happening no matter how far i went.

In order to test theory B: He grabbed an orange, put 1 stick whit a rainbow color on it, said to put my eyesight parallel to the colorful stick and to slighty rotated the orange. I notice that the more i rotated, fewer and fewer the top part of the sick appeard, until it vanish.

Whit this experiment I could only conclude that earth isn't a plain, since if it was, I would be able to see the full ship independently of the distance. Earth has to have some kind of curvitude and so, the only possible options are Earth is a curve plane or a sphere.

If i missed something please let me know, thanks.

Please discount all this flat earth nonsense. The earth is not a flat disc. The earth is a sphere
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The reason you can only see part of that ship is because of the curvature of the earth and the distance to the horizon.
If you are standing up in that boat, you can only see about 3 miles to the horizon.
If the ship is farther than that ,. or beyond the horizon, you will only see the top of the ship.
If you were to go higher, such as the upper deck of a ship, you could see farther to the horizon and see more of the ship that you could see from standing in that boat.

The earth is a sphere. This is a well known fact. The FES is just another "spoof website." :-)
As I have suggested on other threads on this  website , I think you would find talking to someone in the Navy about this subject would be interesting. They have lots of experience on this.

Here is a simple way to estimate the distance to the horizon.:
The distance to the horizon (in miles) "d" = (is equal to ) 1.2 ( a constant) "x" (times) "h" ( the square root of the height of the observer (in feet)
The distance to the horizon for a person standing up in the boat is about 3 mles.
If that person was in the crow's nest on a ship, 100 feet in height above the sea, he  could see about 12 miles to the horizon.

 You are right. If the earth was flat, you could always see that ship (the whole ship) , no matter how far away  it was if you had a powerful enough telescope.
WhIch is what the FE's say..If it wasn't for the thickness of the "atmoplane" (the flat earth word for the atmosphere) LOL
« Last Edit: April 24, 2018, 12:07:05 PM by Googleotomy »
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Re: A boat at horizont
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2018, 09:55:39 AM »
Yvtq8K3n-
Did my previous post answer your questions ?

I might add that watching ships - or land - appear or disappear as they come over or pass over the horizon - either from a ship or from the shore or beach is one of the best ways to observe the distance to the horizon, and the horizon itself which is evidence of the curvature of the earth and proof that the earth is a globe.

The reason I mentioned taliking to someone in the Navy was that lookouts have been using that equation to estimate  distances for ages, if you should question it.
d=1.2 x square root of h
« Last Edit: April 25, 2018, 10:10:32 AM by Googleotomy »
Stick close , very close , to your P.C.and never go to sea
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Look out your window , see what you shall see
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

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Yes ! Never, never, never,  ever go to sea !

Re: A boat at horizont
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2018, 01:04:07 PM »
If you have kids, there is a simple experiment you can do on your own. Borrow one (or two) of your child's rubber toy boat(s) and fill the tub up with water.

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Re: A boat at horizont
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2018, 01:24:28 PM »
If you have kids, there is a simple experiment you can do on your own. Borrow one (or two) of your child's rubber toy boat(s) and fill the tub up with water.

What is the experiment's purpose , how is it performed ,and what are the expected results  ?
« Last Edit: April 25, 2018, 01:32:07 PM by Googleotomy »
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Re: A boat at horizont
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2018, 01:26:45 PM »
If you have kids, there is a simple experiment you can do on your own. Borrow one (or two) of your child's rubber toy boat(s) and fill the tub up with water.

What is the experiment's purpose and result  ?

Huh?

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Re: A boat at horizont
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2018, 01:35:24 PM »
If you have kids, there is a simple experiment you can do on your own. Borrow one (or two) of your child's rubber toy boat(s) and fill the tub up with water.

What is the experiment's purpose and result  ?

Huh?

Check my post edited for a better explanation. Just asking for how you  do this experiment and what you should be looking for ?
If you have an answer, I'm going to be offline until after sbout 0000 GMT. Seeya  later.
« Last Edit: April 25, 2018, 02:01:17 PM by Googleotomy »
Stick close , very close , to your P.C.and never go to sea
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Re: A boat at horizont
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2018, 01:40:34 PM »
If you have kids, there is a simple experiment you can do on your own. Borrow one (or two) of your child's rubber toy boat(s) and fill the tub up with water.

What is the experiment's purpose and result  ?

Huh?

Check my post edited for a better explanation. Just asking for how you  do this experiment and what you should be lookkng for ?

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Just fill the tub with water, and place in the toy boat. That's it.
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Re: A boat at horizont
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2018, 02:02:35 PM »
If you have kids, there is a simple experiment you can do on your own. Borrow one (or two) of your child's rubber toy boat(s) and fill the tub up with water.

What is the experiment's purpose and result  ?

Huh?

Check my post edited for a better explanation. Just asking for how you  do this experiment and what you should be lookkng for ?

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Just fill the tub with water, and place in the toy boat. That's it.
What does that have to with the horizon ? Off for now.

Edit 1801 CST /0001 GMT
I'm back now and wondering what to do with the toy boat in the bath tub ?
« Last Edit: April 25, 2018, 04:03:25 PM by Googleotomy »
Stick close , very close , to your P.C.and never go to sea
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Look out your window , see what you shall see
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Chorus:
Yes ! Never, never, never,  ever go to sea !

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Re: A boat at horizont
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2018, 02:12:28 PM »
That's a fine experiment but there are quite a lot of other stuff that confirms the Earth is spherical.

1. The Coriolis effect
2. Leon Foucault's pendulum
3. Stars: If you are in the southern hemisphere, you can't see the same stars as in the northern hemisphere
4. You can go to the North pole and take time lapse photo of the stars. They rotate counter-clockwise. From the south pole, they will rotate clockwise.
5. Earthquakes : When an earth quake happens one side of the globe, it takes a while but the vibrations reach the other side of the globe. However, a dead zone becomes visible. Scientists have determined that the cause is a radically, high density sphere that composes the Earth's core. It reflects the vibrations. So, a shadow region appears on the other side of the globe.
6. Plenty of other reasons.

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Re: A boat at horizont
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2018, 06:26:32 PM »
If you have kids, there is a simple experiment you can do on your own. Borrow one (or two) of your child's rubber toy boat(s) and fill the tub up with water.

What is the experiment's purpose , how is it performed ,and what are the expected results  ?

I must be missing something here
 ??????
Does anyone else know what this experiment is meant to prove or disprove ?
And what it has to do with the horizon ?
Stick close , very close , to your P.C.and never go to sea
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Look out your window , see what you shall see
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Chorus:
Yes ! Never, never, never,  ever go to sea !

Re: A boat at horizont
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2018, 06:49:55 PM »
I must be missing something here
 ??????
Does anyone else know what this experiment is meant to prove or disprove ?
And what it has to do with the horizon ?

Did you do the experiment?

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Re: A boat at horizont
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2018, 07:29:18 PM »
If you have kids, there is a simple experiment you can do on your own. Borrow one (or two) of your child's rubber toy boat(s) and fill the tub up with water.

What is the experiment's purpose , how is it performed ,and what are the expected results  ?

I must be missing something here
 ??????
Does anyone else know what this experiment is meant to prove or disprove ?
And what it has to do with the horizon ?

The idea is that on a flat Earth (flat surface), the boat will always be visible. It will just appear scaled down.

For a spherical Earth, let's do some math:
Earth's radius = 6400 km
Let's say you form a triangle.
Edge A = 6400 km = 3977 miles
Edge B = 1 km  (1 mile)
Edge C = ?

Edge C =sqrt((6400)^2 + (1)^2) = 6,400.000078124999523162847617641 km
So, that makes it ~7.8 cm drop for every 1 km far away you look.

Edge C =sqrt((3977)^2 + (1)^2) = 3,977.0001257229047263956785463459 miles = 7.97 inch
So, that makes it ~7.97 inch drop for every 1 mile far away you look.


7.8 cm is not much. It will look like a dot when it is 1 km away.

If your boat is 50 km away:
Edge A = 6400 km
Edge B = 50 km
Edge C = ?

Edge C =sqrt((6400)^2 + (50)^2) = 6,400.1953095198587072313473148508 km
The boat will appear 20 m sunken down. That means you will never be able to see the lower 20 m of the boat. This is something that should be done with a cruise ship.

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Re: A boat at horizont
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2018, 12:52:06 AM »
I found this video the other day from an alleged FEer trying to argue how the bottom of buildings are blocked  “because perspective”



His idea is that the ground appears to “ramp up” towards the horizon at around 3 miles (about where we see the horizon).  So he draws a side on diagram of a man looking at buildings in the distance with the ground actually ramping up to eye level at 3 miles, then stepping down.  You can’t see the bottom of the building because the “ramp” gets in the way.

 :o

Now confirmed by flat earth reasoning: Perspective isn’t just about how 3D objects appear on a 2D image, it allows the geometry of solid objects to change, depending on where you stand.

That plus other rubbish.


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Re: A boat at horizont
« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2018, 01:57:40 AM »
I found this video the other day from an alleged FEer trying to argue how the bottom of buildings are blocked  “because perspective”



His idea is that the ground appears to “ramp up” towards the horizon at around 3 miles (about where we see the horizon).  So he draws a side on diagram of a man looking at buildings in the distance with the ground actually ramping up to eye level at 3 miles, then stepping down.  You can’t see the bottom of the building because the “ramp” gets in the way.

 :o

Now confirmed by flat earth reasoning: Perspective isn’t just about how 3D objects appear on a 2D image, it allows the geometry of solid objects to change, depending on where you stand.

That plus other rubbish.
Flat-earthers rely so much on "perspective", yet have no real understanding of it.

In the case where "the ground appears to 'ramp up' towards the horizon at around 3 miles" from a 6' eye height.
6' away the water is 45° below eye-level, but 3 miles away (on the Globe) the horizon is 12' below eye-level.
Now 12' in 3 miles is only 1 part in 1320 or only about 0.04°  below eye-level.

Hence the water surface appears to ramp up from 45° below eye-level at 6' away to only 0.04° below eye-level at the horizon 3 miles away.

But, what do you expect from a video made by  ;) a pea-brain ;) p-brane.

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Re: A boat at horizont
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2018, 02:19:43 AM »
I suspect P-Brane, and many others like him are just having a laugh.

But I’m new to this “debate”


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Re: A boat at horizont
« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2018, 05:54:57 AM »
That's a fine experiment but there are quite a lot of other stuff that confirms the Earth is spherical.

1. The Coriolis effect
2. Leon Foucault's pendulum
3. Stars: If you are in the southern hemisphere, you can't see the same stars as in the northern hemisphere
4. You can go to the North pole and take time lapse photo of the stars. They rotate counter-clockwise. From the south pole, they will rotate clockwise.
5. Earthquakes : When an earth quake happens one side of the globe, it takes a while but the vibrations reach the other side of the globe. However, a dead zone becomes visible. Scientists have determined that the cause is a radically, high density sphere that composes the Earth's core. It reflects the vibrations. So, a shadow region appears on the other side of the globe.
6. Plenty of other reasons.

6. When measuring the sun's position in the sky from multiple locations you're able to do the math and see that all measurements point to a distant sun, not a local one. When put on a model of a flat earth, the measurements do not meet up at one location. When put on a model of a spherical earth, the measurements do meet up, and are all (nearly) parallel with each other.

7. Distances between locations, as we have measured them, can only work on a spherical earth. The flat earth model does not allow for accurate distances in the southern hemisphere. The round earth model does.

8. The moon cannot work on a flat earth. The moon is either flat or round. If flat, then when viewing it from any angle other than directly underneath, it will appear as an ellipse, rather than the circle we constantly see it as. If the moon is round on a flat earth, then we should be able to see much more than just one side. If the moon circles right above the equator, those in the northern hemisphere will see the "near side", and those in the southern hemisphere will see the "far" side. This does not, EVER, happen.

9. The sun and moon's angular sizes in the sky are always the same. The sun and moon never shrink or grow.

10. The sun and moon's angular speeds in the sky are always the same. If the the earth was flat, then their speeds in the sky would change. As the sun/moon got nearer to you, they would appear to be moving faster and faster, and vice versa for when they move away.

11. Sunsets are not possible on a flat earth. The sun will never physically go below any horizon if earth was flat.

12. Parallax measurements with stars are not possible on a flat earth. In reality, because Earth orbits the sun, it moves quite a distance throughout the year. We area able to use this movement to determine the distance of stars. The process is parallax. We can measure stars' position in the sky at one time, then again 6 months later, and use the measurements to calculate the distance. This is not possible in a non-moving Earth.

13. If Earth is flat and gravity is nonexistent, there should be no differences in the weight of an object when measuring it at different locations on the Earth. This is not the case. An object's weight will differ on different locations on Earth, depending on its altitude, latitude, coordinates, etc.

14. A 24 hour sun in the antarctic is not possible on a flat earth.

15. There's no reason for a flat earth to have a lower atmospheric pressure as you go higher up. We can observe and measure this phenomenon, and can explain it using gravity. Flat earthers cannot, because if the Earth was surrounded by a pressurized dome, then there should be no change in pressure.

16. Satellites cannot orbit above a flat earth. We can observe satellites, take photos of them, track them, etc. They're real.

There's more, obviously. Feel free to add on.
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Re: A boat at horizont
« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2018, 08:40:51 AM »
16. Satellites cannot orbit above a flat earth. We can observe satellites, take photos of them, track them, etc. They're real.

There's more, obviously. Feel free to add on.

17. The moon orbiting nothing doesn't make sense. The Sun orbiting nothing doesn't make sense. Remember that in the Flat Earth model, these things are going around nothing, like those toy things in a baby's crib.

18. The Sun is a themonuclear furnace. The high energy particles it ejects is mostly protons and electrons. This confirms spectroscopic measurements that the Sun is adundent in hydrogen (all stars are).
In the flat earth model, the Sun is just a sphere 50 miles in diameter. So, they don't have an explanation for the spectroscopy.

19. Flat Earth model : They don't have an explanation as to how the Sun generates energy. Spherical Earth model  The Sun is a gigantic themonuclear furnace.

20. Gamma ray spectroscopy confirms certain fusion reactions happening in the Sun. The flat earth model can't explain it.

21. The isotopic distribution of the elements found on Earth. This ties into nuclear processes happening in the Sun.

22. Ole Romer : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%B8mer's_determination_of_the_speed_of_light
He was able to show that light speed is limited.
He was timing the eclipses of the moon of Jupiter known as Io.
Io goes behind Jupiter's shadown cone. It takes a while for Io to appear again when it emerges from the other side.
This shows that distances are HUGE.

23. When a violent erruption appears on the Sun, the X-ray emission is measured. It takes a few days for the emitted protons and electrons to reach Earth.
This shows that distances are HUGE.


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Re: A boat at horizont
« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2018, 09:28:33 PM »
16. Satellites cannot orbit above a flat earth. We can observe satellites, take photos of them, track them, etc. They're real.

There's more, obviously. Feel free to add on.

17. The moon orbiting nothing doesn't make sense. The Sun orbiting nothing doesn't make sense. Remember that in the Flat Earth model, these things are going around nothing, like those toy things in a baby's crib.

18. The Sun is a themonuclear furnace. The high energy particles it ejects is mostly protons and electrons. This confirms spectroscopic measurements that the Sun is adundent in hydrogen (all stars are).
In the flat earth model, the Sun is just a sphere 50 miles in diameter. So, they don't have an explanation for the spectroscopy.

19. Flat Earth model : They don't have an explanation as to how the Sun generates energy. Spherical Earth model  The Sun is a gigantic themonuclear furnace.

20. Gamma ray spectroscopy confirms certain fusion reactions happening in the Sun. The flat earth model can't explain it.

21. The isotopic distribution of the elements found on Earth. This ties into nuclear processes happening in the Sun.

22. Ole Romer : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%B8mer's_determination_of_the_speed_of_light
He was able to show that light speed is limited.
He was timing the eclipses of the moon of Jupiter known as Io.
Io goes behind Jupiter's shadown cone. It takes a while for Io to appear again when it emerges from the other side.
This shows that distances are HUGE.

23. When a violent erruption appears on the Sun, the X-ray emission is measured. It takes a few days for the emitted protons and electrons to reach Earth.
This shows that distances are HUGE.

(18) As usual , there seems to be a difference of opinion amongst flat earthers.:
        Some say the sun is a sphere. 50 miles in diameter ? Some say 32 miles in diameter ?
        Some say the sun acts like a spotlight.
« Last Edit: April 26, 2018, 09:30:43 PM by Googleotomy »
Stick close , very close , to your P.C.and never go to sea
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Look out your window , see what you shall see
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

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Yes ! Never, never, never,  ever go to sea !

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Re: A boat at horizont
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2018, 09:38:57 PM »
I found this video the other day from an alleged FEer trying to argue how the bottom of buildings are blocked  “because perspective”



His idea is that the ground appears to “ramp up” towards the horizon at around 3 miles (about where we see the horizon).  So he draws a side on diagram of a man looking at buildings in the distance with the ground actually ramping up to eye level at 3 miles, then stepping down.  You can’t see the bottom of the building because the “ramp” gets in the way.

 :o

Now confirmed by flat earth reasoning: Perspective isn’t just about how 3D objects appear on a 2D image, it allows the geometry of solid objects to change, depending on where you stand.

That plus other rubbish.
Flat-earthers rely so much on "perspective", yet have no real understanding of it.

In the case where "the ground appears to 'ramp up' towards the horizon at around 3 miles" from a 6' eye height.
6' away the water is 45° below eye-level, but 3 miles away (on the Globe) the horizon is 12' below eye-level.
Now 12' in 3 miles is only 1 part in 1320 or only about 0.04°  below eye-level.

Hence the water surface appears to ramp up from 45° below eye-level at 6' away to only 0.04° below eye-level at the horizon 3 miles away.

But, what do you expect from a video made by  ;) a pea-brain ;) p-brane.
One of the ideas of perspective of flat earthers have is that the bottom of objects get smaller faster than those on top.
That is why the hulls of ships disappear first before the rest of the ship.
That is why(Quote) "Locomotive wheels disappear into the ground."
« Last Edit: April 27, 2018, 09:19:44 AM by Googleotomy »
Stick close , very close , to your P.C.and never go to sea
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Look out your window , see what you shall see
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Chorus:
Yes ! Never, never, never,  ever go to sea !

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Re: A boat at horizont
« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2018, 07:41:11 AM »
23. When a violent erruption appears on the Sun, the X-ray emission is measured. It takes a few days for the emitted protons and electrons to reach Earth.
This shows that distances are HUGE.

24. There is no one, valid explanation for tides. Tides are not possible on a flat earth if gravity does not exist.

25. Lunar eclipses cannot occur on a flat earth.

26. The shadow of Earth on the moon during a lunar eclipse is round, which only a spherical object can make.

27. The Eötvös effect is not possible on a flat earth.

28. If gravity does not exist, then flat earth cannot explain the bending effect the moon and sun have on stars during a solar eclipse.
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Re: A boat at horizont
« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2018, 10:06:11 AM »
23. When a violent erruption appears on the Sun, the X-ray emission is measured. It takes a few days for the emitted protons and electrons to reach Earth.
This shows that distances are HUGE.

24. There is no one, valid explanation for tides. Tides are not possible on a flat earth if gravity does not exist.

25. Lunar eclipses cannot occur on a flat earth.

26. The shadow of Earth on the moon during a lunar eclipse is round, which only a spherical object can make.

27. The Eötvös effect is not possible on a flat earth.

28. If gravity does not exist, then flat earth cannot explain the bending effect the moon and sun have on stars during a solar eclipse.

For 28, do you mean gravitational lensing? That is predicted by either the General Theory of Relativity or the Special Theory of Relativity. The effect is small and needs a massive object like our Sun or a distance star to do the lensing. I don't think it works well with the moon.

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Re: A boat at horizont
« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2018, 10:54:36 AM »
I found this video the other day from an alleged FEer trying to argue how the bottom of buildings are blocked  “because perspective”



His idea is that the ground appears to “ramp up” towards the horizon at around 3 miles (about where we see the horizon).  So he draws a side on diagram of a man looking at buildings in the distance with the ground actually ramping up to eye level at 3 miles, then stepping down.  You can’t see the bottom of the building because the “ramp” gets in the way.

 :o

Now confirmed by flat earth reasoning: Perspective isn’t just about how 3D objects appear on a 2D image, it allows the geometry of solid objects to change, depending on where you stand.

That plus other rubbish.
Flat-earthers rely so much on "perspective", yet have no real understanding of it.

In the case where "the ground appears to 'ramp up' towards the horizon at around 3 miles" from a 6' eye height.
6' away the water is 45° below eye-level, but 3 miles away (on the Globe) the horizon is 12' below eye-level.
Now 12' in 3 miles is only 1 part in 1320 or only about 0.04°  below eye-level.

Hence the water surface appears to ramp up from 45° below eye-level at 6' away to only 0.04° below eye-level at the horizon 3 miles away.

But, what do you expect from a video made by  ;) a pea-brain ;) p-brane.
One of the ideas of perspective of flat earthers have is that the bottom of objects get smaller faster than those on top.
That is why the hulls of ships disappear first before the rest of the ship.
That is why(Quote) "Locomotive wheels disappear into the ground."

Ok, imagine that I am looking far away into the horizon. Imagine, that we have lines placed horizontally one on top of the other. Perhaps these lines are bars of steel, 5 km long.
Are you saying the bar on the bottom is shorter? How short is it?
Does this mean the entire sky is compressed at the bottom?

So, if there is a locomotive in the distance, instead of having wheels, there might be a guy's legs in their place? And the wheels of the locomotive might appear under a Pepsi machine?

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robintex

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Re: A boat at horizont
« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2018, 01:20:47 PM »
I found this video the other day from an alleged FEer trying to argue how the bottom of buildings are blocked  “because perspective”



His idea is that the ground appears to “ramp up” towards the horizon at around 3 miles (about where we see the horizon).  So he draws a side on diagram of a man looking at buildings in the distance with the ground actually ramping up to eye level at 3 miles, then stepping down.  You can’t see the bottom of the building because the “ramp” gets in the way.

 :o

Now confirmed by flat earth reasoning: Perspective isn’t just about how 3D objects appear on a 2D image, it allows the geometry of solid objects to change, depending on where you stand.

That plus other rubbish.
Flat-earthers rely so much on "perspective", yet have no real understanding of it.

In the case where "the ground appears to 'ramp up' towards the horizon at around 3 miles" from a 6' eye height.
6' away the water is 45° below eye-level, but 3 miles away (on the Globe) the horizon is 12' below eye-level.
Now 12' in 3 miles is only 1 part in 1320 or only about 0.04°  below eye-level.

Hence the water surface appears to ramp up from 45° below eye-level at 6' away to only 0.04° below eye-level at the horizon 3 miles away.

But, what do you expect from a video made by  ;) a pea-brain ;) p-brane.
One of the ideas of perspective of flat earthers have is that the bottom of objects get smaller faster than those on top.
That is why the hulls of ships disappear first before the rest of the ship.
That is why(Quote) "Locomotive wheels disappear into the ground."

Ok, imagine that I am looking far away into the horizon. Imagine, that we have lines placed horizontally one on top of the other. Perhaps these lines are bars of steel, 5 km long.
Are you saying the bar on the bottom is shorter? How short is it?
Does this mean the entire sky is compressed at the bottom?

So, if there is a locomotive in the distance, instead of having wheels, there might be a guy's legs in their place? And the wheels of the locomotive might appear under a Pepsi machine?

Check Rowbotham's "Earth Not A Globe" for the text and illustrations on perspective.
Stick close , very close , to your P.C.and never go to sea
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Look out your window , see what you shall see
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

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Re: A boat at horizont
« Reply #25 on: April 27, 2018, 05:48:45 PM »
Perspective and anomalies of the atmoplane explain why on some days distant objects at sea tend to distort.  This fact has been known for some time.

People who sail the seas that are trained observers confirm this claim.  These voices of experience, wisdom, and truthfulness should not be doubted as they provide data capable of passing the rigor of hypothesis testing stated within the scientific method.

To doubt them is to doubt and disregard what round Earth believers hold to such a high level and rely on to attempt proving their claims.

The horizon has thusly been proven to be flat Earth friendly by evidence that can only be described as absolute proof.   
     

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Re: A boat at horizont
« Reply #26 on: April 27, 2018, 06:41:02 PM »
Perspective and anomalies of the atmoplane explain why on some days distant objects at sea tend to distort.  This fact has been known for some time.

People who sail the seas that are trained observers confirm this claim.  These voices of experience, wisdom, and truthfulness should not be doubted as they provide data capable of passing the rigor of hypothesis testing stated within the scientific method.

To doubt them is to doubt and disregard what round Earth believers hold to such a high level and rely on to attempt proving their claims.

The horizon has thusly been proven to be flat Earth friendly by evidence that can only be described as absolute proof.   
   
Really? The following is simply from a sailing site, nothing to do with the flat/Globe debate.
Quote from: BoatSafe.com
How to Calculate the Distance to the Horizon
Have you ever been out on a leisurely cruise and suddenly wondered, "How far it is to the horizon?" Or maybe your destination is a port that has a lighthouse and you wonder "How far away will I be when I see the lighthouse?" (Well, you're in luck, even if you are a sick unit that thinks of these sorts of things - so are we.) We have the answer!

How could you calculate the distance to the horizon or the "distance off" if you know the height of an object?

It's simple, really. If you want to know the distance to the horizon you simply have to know your height of eye. That is the distance that your eyes are off the surface of the water.

If you're in a jon boat, that would probably be about three feet (if you are sitting like you should be in a jon boat). Of course, if you were in a jon boat you probably wouldn't care how far the horizon was.

Anyway, I digress. If you are on the tuna tower of a sport fishing boat you may be 15, 20, 25 feet above the surface of the water.

Read the rest of how in: How to Calculate the Distance to the Horizon
And terms like  "sail down", "sail up", "hull down" and "hull up" are just part or an old sailors language.
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Sea Talk Nautical Dictionary
        Term: horizon (n)
Definition: The line of separation between sea and sky as perceived by an observer. Since the earth is spherical, the surface curvature allows a visible horizon of only a few miles in any direction, depending on the height of the observer above the surface.

        Term: hull down (adj)
Definition: Describing a distant ship whose rigging is visible, but whose hull cannot be seen below the horizon.

See in: Sea Talk Nautical Dictionary
Those old sailors, even ;) Columbus ;)knew the earth was a Globe and that's why many old navigators took Terrestrial and Celestial Globes on long voyages.

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robintex

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Re: A boat at horizont
« Reply #27 on: April 27, 2018, 06:54:59 PM »
Perspective and anomalies of the atmoplane explain why on some days distant objects at sea tend to distort.  This fact has been known for some time.

People who sail the seas that are trained observers confirm this claim.  These voices of experience, wisdom, and truthfulness should not be doubted as they provide data capable of passing the rigor of hypothesis testing stated within the scientific method.

To doubt them is to doubt and disregard what round Earth believers hold to such a high level and rely on to attempt proving their claims.

The horizon has thusly been proven to be flat Earth friendly by evidence that can only be described as absolute proof.   
   


That is all a bunch of nonsense. The earth has been known to be a globe for ages.
If you have any doubts about your claims I would suggest you talk to those in the Navy.
Those involved in lookout duties, such as those in the Quartermaster (QM) rating would be your best authority.
Your claims are simply false.
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Stick close , very close , to your P.C.and never go to sea
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

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And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

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Yes ! Never, never, never,  ever go to sea !

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Re: A boat at horizont
« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2018, 07:51:36 AM »
23. When a violent erruption appears on the Sun, the X-ray emission is measured. It takes a few days for the emitted protons and electrons to reach Earth.
This shows that distances are HUGE.

24. There is no one, valid explanation for tides. Tides are not possible on a flat earth if gravity does not exist.

25. Lunar eclipses cannot occur on a flat earth.

26. The shadow of Earth on the moon during a lunar eclipse is round, which only a spherical object can make.

27. The Eötvös effect is not possible on a flat earth.

28. If gravity does not exist, then flat earth cannot explain the bending effect the moon and sun have on stars during a solar eclipse.

For 28, do you mean gravitational lensing? That is predicted by either the General Theory of Relativity or the Special Theory of Relativity. The effect is small and needs a massive object like our Sun or a distance star to do the lensing. I don't think it works well with the moon.

Yes, this is what I'm talking about. I specifically said solar eclipse because that's when the lensing is measured. Both the moon and the sun work together. The sun bends the objects' light through its gravity, and the moon blocks the sun's light so we can observe the lensed stars.
he puts his penis in the mouth of the other one and FORCIBLY GIVES HER A BLOWJOB OF TRUTH and then his penis ERRUPTS IN AN EXPLOSION IF TRUTH and she is INSTANTLY DECAPITATED