NASA's 33 666s (Banned by IFERS)

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Re: NASA's 33 666s (Banned by IFERS)
« Reply #120 on: January 26, 2018, 03:17:58 AM »
Hey! What's with all this McDonald's hate! Just grabbed a few cheese burgers. Hit the spot, and cheap.

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Re: NASA's 33 666s (Banned by IFERS)
« Reply #121 on: January 26, 2018, 03:30:40 AM »
Hey! What's with all this McDonald's hate! Just grabbed a few cheese burgers. Hit the spot, and cheap.

no hate on my part, I just don't frequent the establishment.
My burgers are usually homemade, from venison, that I kill and process myself. I shot 5 this last season, so I have a freezer full!

dutchy is afraid of meat... he only eats organic free range gluten free tube steaks!
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Re: NASA's 33 666s (Banned by IFERS)
« Reply #122 on: January 26, 2018, 03:35:37 AM »
Never tried a venison burger, although we do get a lot of moose/elk here. Pretty sure it'd taste great!

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Re: NASA's 33 666s (Banned by IFERS)
« Reply #123 on: January 26, 2018, 03:54:23 AM »
The Earth is FLAT. And the number 666 is a fingerprint that keeps "popping up," coincidentally. You can move your numbers around to be exacting, but the point is, they constantly use that number as "examples." For instance, NASA says that "Mercury is 666 times brighter than Earth from the Sun using the inverse square law."
Why not use Venus instead?
I imagine NASA uses Mercury as the example simply because it is closest to the Sun, so gives the largest number.

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The reason they presented Mercury, instead of ANY OTHER planet, is because they need to TELL YOU that they are Satanists.
No, it is not.

NASA says, "Mercury is at 0.387 AUs. 1/d^2 = 1/0.387^2 = 1/.15 = 666.67%, almost seven times brighter! We can use this method to compare any spot in the Universe if we describe its distance as compared to Earth relative to the Sun."
So,
NASA does not say  "Mercury is 666 times brighter than Earth from the Sun using the inverse square law."
But NASA does say, "Mercury is at . . . . . . . 666.67%, almost seven times brighter!"

Quite a difference, wouldn't you agree? You claim 666 times, NASA claims 666.67%, which rounds to 667% or 6.67.

But, I still can't work out what you and so many others have against NASA. They were not the ones that started the "Globe" idea, that dates back thousands of years.
As I wrote before even the most in the early Church seemed to accept the Globe as the shape of the earth.
But you claim to know better than the 13th century French scholar, monk and astronomer, Iohannes de Sacrobosco and the English monk and astronomer, the Venerable Bede (c. 672–735), who wrote in his influential treatise on computus, The Reckoning of Time, that the
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Earth was round. He explained the unequal length of daylight from "the roundness of the Earth, for not without reason is it called 'the orb of the world' on the pages of Holy Scripture and of ordinary literature. It is, in fact, set like a sphere in the middle of the whole universe." (De temporum ratione,). The large number of surviving manuscripts of The Reckoning of Time, copied to meet the Carolingian requirement that all priests should study the computus, indicates that many, if not most, priests were exposed to the idea of the sphericity of the Earth.

Still, you know more than everybody else and take no notice of anything anyone else says.

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Re: NASA's 33 666s (Banned by IFERS)
« Reply #124 on: January 26, 2018, 04:05:38 AM »
Hey! What's with all this McDonald's hate! Just grabbed a few cheese burgers. Hit the spot, and cheap.

Burger King bigger, tastier, and cheaper (at least cheaper in Clemmons and Winston-Salem). :-)

"Are McDonald's burgers better than Burger King's?"
Here people say "no": http://www.debate.org/opinions/are-mac-donalds-burgers-better-than-burger-kings.

But I rarely take either.
For some time I liked Little Caesar's $5 pizza with pepperoni, or their Crazy Bread sticks. Deep Dish was also good.

Lately was taking frozen pizza from Walmart.
Sam's Choice rising crust Three Meat or Supreme, Great Value rising or thin crust - 20 minutes at 400 degrees and eat all day.
When gets cold you can put some mayo on top (not needed while hot).

See, even I know Earth is not like pizza, I still like pizza "little more than melons".
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Re: NASA's 33 666s (Banned by IFERS)
« Reply #125 on: January 26, 2018, 06:24:44 AM »
Why do people keep assuming that 666 is a bad number?
What Does 666 Mean?

Seeing 666 does carry a message, but it's not ominous or foreboding like you might initially think. 666 most often appears as a spiritual wake up call from the angels!

Have you been solely focused on material matters, and ignoring your inner voice and spiritual path? If so , it's quite likely 666 may appear with a message for you. 666 brings the guidance to listen to your heart not your head.

Again, it's not a bad omen… It simply brings the message that you're a bit too focused within the illusions of the material plane. Quiet your mind, open your heart, and tune into your intuition and the guidance and wisdom of your soul and spirit.
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Re: NASA's 33 666s (Banned by IFERS)
« Reply #126 on: January 26, 2018, 06:49:33 AM »
You want to talk context, you paranoid piece of shit? Do you?
Sure !! i am waiting......
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This McDonalds bullshit started when I said something like " dutchy can't even load the napkin dispenser correctly at his McDonalds job".
YOU are the dumbass that took the context ball and ran with it, assuming (incorrectly) that I "love McDonalds" and eat hamburgers constantly
See ? You started with rediculing everyone over here.... and when asked for you said it was on purpose and to laugh at us imbeciles at any given oppertunity.
So i exploited a few weak spots, like your love for McDonalds, your underpar guitarskills, your weekly harrasment of the locals in your bar while pretending to be a guitar player....
See my approach as a reflecting mirror..... and it seems to be working hearing your emotional outburts.
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Yes, I do love a good hamburger. No, I do not eat McDonalds hamburgers often, in fact, rarely.
Good to hear that ! ........ it means i did influence your way of life for the better since last year ..... i don't really expect a 'thank you'
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Now that you have that straight, go back to sucking your tofu sausage you stupid little man.
I don't like immitation meat, i like Asian food woth lots of chili peppers, tofu and egg.

It was a pleasure to see i finally got under the skin of the little green man who never displays a single form of respect for the very essence of this forum and it's flatearth members.

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Re: NASA's 33 666s (Banned by IFERS)
« Reply #127 on: January 26, 2018, 07:15:49 AM »
Why should I display ANY form of respect for a flat earther?

Give me a good reason, considering the lack of respect shown for millions of astronomers, scientists, mathematicians, pilots, astronauts, mariners, cartographers, and beef farmers?

How arrogant are you to think you have had even the slightest effect on my diet?
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Re: NASA's 33 666s (Banned by IFERS)
« Reply #128 on: January 26, 2018, 07:31:15 AM »
Never tried a venison burger, although we do get a lot of moose/elk here. Pretty sure it'd taste great!

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Re: NASA's 33 666s (Banned by IFERS)
« Reply #129 on: January 26, 2018, 07:39:20 AM »
Never tried a venison burger, although we do get a lot of moose/elk here. Pretty sure it'd taste great!

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Re: NASA's 33 666s (Banned by IFERS)
« Reply #130 on: January 26, 2018, 08:37:54 AM »
Why should I display ANY form of respect for a flat earther?

Give me a good reason, considering the lack of respect shown for millions of astronomers, scientists, mathematicians, pilots, astronauts, mariners, cartographers, and beef farmers?

How arrogant are you to think you have had even the slightest effect on my diet?
To answer your latter question first,....  i wouldn't call it 'effect' but more causality  8)

And the former is just utter nonsense.....
Your disrespect towards flatearthers show what character you are in the WRONG place !!!
Do you join a Muslim forum to claim they follow a cruel pedophile ?
Do you join a Christian forum to claim they still worship an ancient blood saga created by men ?
Do you join the David Icke forums to claim he has less brains than a lizard ?
........ i think not !!!!

But for some unknown reason you have decided to pick us to undergo your redicule to satisfy your daily needs !
You have no real arguments to present in your 1000+ posts other than to seek an oppertunity to redicule and avoid anything that looks like a conversation.

So typicle for all wannabe guitar players i know. All have a Fender or Gibson, vastly exagerate their own technique, are the worst teamplayers in ANY band, think that everyone adores multiple effect pedals, take to much space, never control their solo/rhytm volume properly etc.....

Your participation over here is that of one of those fucking irritating wannabe guitar players that should be forbidden by the law to ever perform on stage , only after first taking an exame in 'how to play together', 'basic technigue', 'the usefullness of a volume pedal' 'half the stage is to much space, and other basic footnotes only an amature wannabe guitar player doesn't understand'.

I hope you get the message little green man....... time to leave this place and mock anyone else instead !

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Re: NASA's 33 666s (Banned by IFERS)
« Reply #131 on: January 26, 2018, 08:41:26 AM »
As usual, you have no idea what you're talking about...

No idea at all.!
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Re: NASA's 33 666s (Banned by IFERS)
« Reply #132 on: January 26, 2018, 08:52:58 AM »
As usual, you have no idea what you're talking about...

No idea at all.!
After indirectly playing a part in your changing attitude towards that McPlace, my last post is full of professional advise that could also make a change for the better on stage ! I know it was a bit over the top,......but this more aggressive approach seems to work after your recent confession about rarely going to that McPlace anymore.......

This forum is a goldmine for you......

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Re: NASA's 33 666s (Banned by IFERS)
« Reply #133 on: January 26, 2018, 09:02:02 AM »
Your post is full of McBullshit :)
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Re: NASA's 33 666s (Banned by IFERS)
« Reply #134 on: January 26, 2018, 09:03:37 AM »

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Re: NASA's 33 666s (Banned by IFERS)
« Reply #135 on: January 26, 2018, 10:15:59 AM »
Never tried a venison burger, although we do get a lot of moose/elk here. Pretty sure it'd taste great!

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Omnivores gonna omnivore! You better hope you are reborn as something else!
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Re: NASA's 33 666s (Banned by IFERS)
« Reply #136 on: January 26, 2018, 01:20:37 PM »
Kiwis please please don't read any further, just keep eating your fush-n-chups.

Just as those Nu Zul'nders can never count above five - they go one, two, three, four, five, sex and get so flustered that they can't go further.

Here's one video from your "beloved Kiwi".

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These things are not about me.
When one points facts out, they speak for themselves.
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Re: NASA's 33 666s (Banned by IFERS)
« Reply #137 on: January 26, 2018, 09:12:38 PM »
Kiwis please please don't read any further, just keep eating your fush-n-chups.

Just as those Nu Zul'nders can never count above five - they go one, two, three, four, five, sex and get so flustered that they can't go further.

Here's one video from your "beloved Kiwi".


I spent three weeks in the South Island and have drive  the east at Christchurch (before that awful 'quake) to the west, to the north and zig-zagged down to Invercargill and finally back to Christchurch.
We know a blind pipe-organist in Christchurch and he found the earthquake very difficult. Before the 'quake he knew his house to we'll that, even though married, he could cope on his own very well. But then all the furniture moved of fell over and he was lost for opa while.
The  fush-n-chups came from a sign outside a shop in Queenstown. I guess they sell even to us Aussies.

But, I do like NZ and felt very much at home there, though so much, especially in he south, is much more like England than Australia - even to the weather.
But on difference is that even in spring I think we saw snow on some mountain or other every day we were there.

And I am also very keen on Dazzathecameraman. He, Wolfie6020, Sly Sparkane and Soundly seem to get together a bit.

For some reason there seem to be a lot of anti-Flat Earthers down this way.
Maybe the way their usual map screws up the whole Southern Hemisphere has something to do with it.

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Re: NASA's 33 666s (Banned by IFERS)
« Reply #138 on: January 26, 2018, 09:28:02 PM »

I spent three weeks in the South Island and have drive  the east at Christchurch (before that awful 'quake) to the west, to the north and zig-zagged down to Invercargill and finally back to Christchurch.


I spent a week on the North Island.
Have you been to Rotorua?


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Re: NASA's 33 666s (Banned by IFERS)
« Reply #139 on: January 26, 2018, 09:45:55 PM »

I spent three weeks in the South Island and have drive  the east at Christchurch (before that awful 'quake) to the west, to the north and zig-zagged down to Invercargill and finally back to Christchurch.

I spent a week on the North Island.
Have you been to Rotorua?
No, we've been meaning to get back but "things" get in the way.

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Re: NASA's 33 666s (Banned by IFERS)
« Reply #140 on: January 27, 2018, 01:08:07 AM »
It's just fucking flat. It sucks because we are living on Atlantis. God doesn't want anything to do with this experiment. It is what it is.

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Re: NASA's 33 666s (Banned by IFERS)
« Reply #141 on: January 27, 2018, 02:43:33 AM »
It's just fucking flat. It sucks because we are living on Atlantis. God doesn't want anything to do with this experiment. It is what it is.
Such language from a supposedly God fearing person!

Yet you never post any evidence or reason for the earth being flat, just curse and swear to assert it.

For some quite unknown reason you and others attack NASA for no reason at all - they had nothing to do with declaring the earth a Globe. That was done millennia ago.

Yet so many like you and dutchy attack NASA with such irrational hatred, as though they stole your favourite toy.

Yet you so artifically find all these numbers in what seems no more than superstitious numerology.
By the way, I wonder why you were "Banned by IFERS"? They probably thought you detrimental to the flat earth cause.

Read again: Re: NASA's 33 666s (Banned by IFERS) « Reply #102 on: January 26, 2018, 10:15:13 AM ».
You might think the earth is flat, but you are in a tiny minority, even among very conservative young earth creationists!
So look again at what others have said about this issue:
          Flat Earth Myth - More Bogus History
          Creation Ministries International, Who invented the idea of a flat Earth?
          Early Church, Did the Early Church Believe in a Flat Earth?
          The flat earth myth
          Christian World View Ministries, The Myth of the Flat Earth Concept

Maybe you could make your own little club with dutchy,  Arealhumanbeing, though Arealhumanbeing seems to have run off to be "Leader of the Second American Revolution".

Bye bye again.



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Re: NASA's 33 666s (Banned by IFERS)
« Reply #142 on: January 27, 2018, 02:51:34 AM »
I find it cute all this is so always so US-centric what with NASA, and miles, and the good ol' 666 (not sure how much dread that sequence of numbers induces in a non-Christian).


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Re: NASA's 33 666s (Banned by IFERS)
« Reply #143 on: January 27, 2018, 03:26:49 AM »
For some quite unknown reason you and others attack NASA for no reason at all - they had nothing to do with declaring the earth a Globe. That was done millennia ago.
Even if you repeat the lie for the millionth time, it never becomes true !
Prior to NASA it was all hypothetical. Even if the hypothesis was extremely substancial.
Deep spacetravel proved the correct distances to the moon, earth's tilt, the respective motions of the celestial bodies........ if any of the hypothesis of the solar system were wrong not a single rocket would have gone anywhere but a dead end trip.
Add to that the only supposedly real Apollo 'blue marble' that contrary to later renderings didn't need contrast and color enhancement and a photoshop expert that takes all the time he needs to make it look better ( which it doesn't compared to the original)...... and you will see that NASA materialised all hypothesis ( no matter how trustworthy) of the solarsystem and earth.
By going exactly as planned to the moon and taking a nice blue marble picture on their trip
But you are so confused that you believe the ancient Greeks proved the globe....
It was NASA the ' father and mother' of the heliocentric reality and not Copernicus & co that one could consider to be the 'father and mother' of the hypothetical solar system.
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Yet so many like you and dutchy attack NASA with such irrational hatred, as though they stole your favourite toy.
There is nothing rational about defending NASA ! And it seems that even the most nationalistic congressmen have come to the same conclusions lately.
NASA wants money, far more money, but can't make clear what they are going to do with it and what their next step will be......
Of course any rational person immidiatly smells a rat, that's why any sane person will cut fundings !
Luckily that madman Trump has considered to cut it even more when it comes to the fakestation.
Off the record many congressmen believe NASA is a financial blackhole , but since their own job comes under attack to openly criticise NASA and supposed achievements of the past the process of full disclosure is a time consuming one.
Ask any citizen what NASA has ever done for humanity...  and maybe just maybe a lone wolf mentions teflon tape....
Time to end this fantasy once and for all !
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Maybe you could make your own little club with dutchy,  Arealhumanbeing, though Arealhumanbeing seems to have run off to be "Leader of the Second American Revolution".

Bye bye again.
I am capable of my own ideas and don't need any support from anyone and i am alergic to any group.

But it was a little joke ? wasn't  it ?
I can only applaud you for it mister humorless, .... it will take you months,even years to finetune the skills involved in humor.
But i can only support this babystep away from the grumpy old man you used to be !
Bravo !

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Re: NASA's 33 666s (Banned by IFERS)
« Reply #144 on: January 27, 2018, 04:34:49 AM »
For some quite unknown reason you and others attack NASA for no reason at all - they had nothing to do with declaring the earth a Globe. That was done millennia ago.
Even if you repeat the lie for the millionth time, it never becomes true !
Prior to NASA it was all hypothetical. Even if the hypothesis was extremely substancial.
As you say, "Even if you repeat the lie for the millionth time, it never becomes true!", but you still do it.

What you claim is totally untrue. While most people could not have cared less as far as I know all those involved in investigating the earth's shape and those in astronomy were in no doubt at all.

There is no flat earth model that even explains the easily observed behaviour of the sun and moon, let alone all the other evidence.

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Deep spacetravel proved the correct distances to the moon, earth's tilt, the respective motions of the celestial bodies........ if any of the hypothesis of the solar system were wrong not a single rocket would have gone anywhere but a dead end trip.
All of those things were known with quite good accuracy well before NASA and any deep space travel. Of course much more accurate data is now avaivable.
  • earth's tilt: No need of NASA or space travel!
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    Axial tilt
    History
    Earth's obliquity may have been reasonably accurately measured as early as 1100 BC in India and China. The ancient Greeks had good measurements of the obliquity since about 350 BC, when Pytheas of Marseilles measured the shadow of a gnomon at the summer solstice. About 830 AD, the Caliph Al-Mamun of Baghdad directed his astronomers to measure the obliquity, and the result was used in the Arab world for many years. In 1437, Ulugh Beg determined the Earth's axial tilt as 23°30′17″ (23.5047°).

    From: Axial tilt, History

  • respective motions of the celestial bodies: Tycho Brahe (a geocentrist as it happens) made very good observations of the positions from earth and after Kepler's time the distances from the sun relative to the earth's distance was known to reasonable accuracy.
    And even before 1900 the orbits of the planets were known quite accurately enough for a discrepancy of 43 seconds of arc per century (that's small) of the precession of Mercury's orbit.

    It wasn't till 1771 after the measurements taken on Captain Cook's first voyage that the sun's distance has been known to with 2.3% (149,600,000 km) and that figure rapidly improved with more accurate "Transit of Venus" measurements.
    The currently accepted average value is 149,597,871 km (1 AU).

    Yet, flat earthers so often claim that we can learn nothing from the stars!

  • correct distances to the moon: Please learn some history!
    Even as early as 270 BC the distance to the moon was estimated to be quite close to the current figure.
    By 1910 the distance was known to with an uncertainty of ± 30 km and
    by lunar distance was refined by observing 4 occultations from 9 locations to give a mean distance of 384407.6±4.7 km.

    No connection to NASA or space travel at all!

Sure, space travel provided space confirmation for those too lazy or couldn't understand the very solid evidence for the Globe that was all around.

I'll ignore the rest till you've digested that. You might change your tune ever so slightly.

But you, like so many flat-earthers prefer to attack the messenger, me in this case, rather than even give the evidence a cursory glance.
I say this because much of the information above is from posts to you!

With some of the insults from you, Papa  Legba and a few others, I believe I have reason to feel a bit grumpy at times.
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Re: NASA's 33 666s (Banned by IFERS)
« Reply #145 on: January 27, 2018, 01:30:44 PM »
All of those things were known with quite good accuracy well before NASA and any deep space travel. Of course much more accurate data is now avaivable.
It wasn't even proven if earth was stationary or not....deep space travel made that indisputable.
While the docu ''the principle'' has very convincing info about the earth being stationary.
But then of course we never went to the moon, because all trajectories to the moon and re-entry on earth would have been off by some margin in a geocentric model.
The docu ''the priciple'' (wonder if you ever watched it) makes clear that observations from earth are totally different compared to the real test of the hypotheses....going somewhere which is only possible when all hypothesis about distance, spin, orbital velocities are damned accurate.
Again NASA/Apollo (and to some extend the Russians) have supposedly ended the discussion about a geocentric vs heliocentric model for good.
Unless they were fraudulent governments involved in a supposed ''spacerace'' over the heads of the terrified nations who gave them financially ''carte blanche'' to protect their families from the demonic ''other side''.
I remember an episode of Battlestar Galactica where on an alien earthlike planet the bad guys were called the ''Eastern Alliance'' that started a nuclear war, Luckily ''Galactica'' destroyed all nukes in the atmosphere.
An example of how both camps used all means of propaganda to paint a very evil picture of the other side.
Again a ''cart blanche'' to do what ever you want as a government, because you have installed extreme fear for an atomic war into the minds of your own population.

Any government capable of abusing it's own citizens in such fashion, will lie about everything that serves their agenda.
The whole ''spacerace'' was military propaganda....the Apollo missions were simply the tinfoil layers to cover up what was really going on.
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With some of the insults from you, Papa  Legba and a few others, I believe I have reason to feel a bit grumpy at times.
See what you do ? As if what i write (insults ?)belongs in the same bracket as what Papa writes (which is non of my business)
But this is showing your character,.....i have only responded to your ongoing rude talk towards me......''NASAphobe,hate filled, mr. know it all''
I do so with humor (former electricien, grumpy old man, copy paiste master) which i hardly consider insults, compares to what i have to endure from globelings in general.
No problem with that at all, but it is false to pretend as if i am insulting you in a rude manner......because that is simply untrue !!

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Re: NASA's 33 666s (Banned by IFERS)
« Reply #146 on: January 27, 2018, 04:23:57 PM »
The Earth is FLAT. And the number 666 is a fingerprint that keeps "popping up," coincidentally. You can move your numbers around to be exacting, but the point is, they constantly use that number as "examples." For instance, NASA says that "Mercury is 666 times brighter than Earth from the Sun using the inverse square law." Why not use Venus instead? The reason they presented Mercury, instead of ANY OTHER planet, is because they need to TELL YOU that they are Satanists. It's a psychopathic trait, like we see all the time with serial killers and the clues they leave behind. My numbers are correct. I'm not budging.

The first guy, red snake, said the Earth was revolving at 67,111, while my video is correct, the mean velocity is 66,600. He either lied, or was ignorant. Therefore, I suggest that he not be taken seriously, whatsoever. You guys wanna talk about burgers and distract from the math. Anyone who knows the Earth is flat can refute you very simply. Another guy, stated that the tip of S. America, to the tip of S. Africa is not 6,066 miles, but instead 6, 027 miles, because he moved his pointer from the tip to the middle of the nearest city. It's like this with all of you guys who want to claim I'm lying with your misrepresentation of the math trying to get away with lies. You know what you're doing, or you're not smart. A third guy said that I need to get a calculator, that 100 minus 23 is 76.6, not 66.6, but a circle has 360 degrees, and divided by 4 is 90, not 100. My numbers are correct, I'm not budging. I will not be lectured by liars and deceivers in a den infested by vipers. The obviousness of the pathetic attempt to discredit the math is profusely absurd, and will not be tolerated.

So there!
This guy knows what he's talkin' bout
Cause reasons...
Show me a Flat Earth map that works.

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Re: NASA's 33 666s (Banned by IFERS)
« Reply #147 on: January 27, 2018, 06:55:45 PM »
All of those things were known with quite good accuracy well before NASA and any deep space travel. Of course much more accurate data is now avaivable.
It wasn't even proven if earth was stationary or not....deep space travel made that indisputable.
Virtually all astronomers from after Kepler would hotly dispute that claim. A stationary Globe does not fit the movements of the planets.

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While the docu ''the principle'' has very convincing info about the earth being stationary.
And where did most of the "evidence" presented in "The Principle" come from? Hint - not from the surface of a flat earth!
Answer me that and we'll start again.

OK, it was some 1800 years or more from the Globe being accepted as the shape of the earth to the Heliocentric Globe for a very good reason.
Aristarchus (and others) did suggest that the earth should orbit the sun instead of vice-versa.
He reasoned that it was logical that the smaller object, the earth, should orbit the larger.

His idea was rejected because it was argued that if the earth orbited the sun that "fixed stars" would appear to move, ie show parallax.

This view held sway till Copernicus[1], but even then the heliocentric model was presented because it explained the apparent motion of the planets better.
Then Tycho Brahe made his far more accurate measurements of the apparent motion of the planets, but still could not accept the
"Copernican Hypothesis".
Once again this was because even with his far more precise measurements he could detect no stellar parallax, so he proposed his own The Tychonian planetary model, which was better than even the Copernican system.
There are quite a number, including at least one ex-flat earther, who uses the The Tychonian geostationary model.

The reasoning of these people, at the time, seemed quite valid, but even Tycho Brahe could only resolve down to about 1 minute of arc.
Proxima Centauri, the closest star to earth, has a parallax of only 0.769 arcsec, so Tycho Brahe had no chance of seeing it.
That angle is approximately that subtended by an object 2 cm in diameter located 5.3 km away.

So for the moment let's forget the heliocentric model and look at just the shape of the earth.
I have presented many references that in both the early Church and in the Muslim world from say 500 to 1250 AD at least the Globe was certainly the accepted shape of the earth and in the Greek world that belief goes back anothe 1000 years or so.

I'll just give a link to an earlier post to the pre-Copernican beliefs: Flat Earth Debate / Re: SYD to SCL and flight range « Message by rabinoz on October 19, 2017, 01:30:51 PM ».

And on details of the beliefs in the earth shape and "cosmology" in the "middle Ages", this might be worth reading THE SPHERE OF SACROBOSCO, by Iohannes de Sacrobosco.
Iohannes de Sacrobosco "was a scholar, monk and astronomer who was a teacher at the University of Paris."

[1] Though some claim that the Heliocentric Model was presented in the Muslim world around 1250 AD, possibly by Qutb al-Din al-Shirazi.

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Re: NASA's 33 666s (Banned by IFERS)
« Reply #148 on: January 27, 2018, 07:11:28 PM »
All of those things were known with quite good accuracy well before NASA and any deep space travel. Of course much more accurate data is now avaivable.
It wasn't even proven if earth was stationary or not....
Incorrect.  Stellar aberration proved that the earth is not stationary back in 1727.
http://www.mathpages.com/rr/s2-05/2-05.htm

...deep space travel made that indisputable.
Agreed.  Deep space travel is indisputable proof that the earth is not stationary.
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Re: NASA's 33 666s (Banned by IFERS)
« Reply #149 on: January 27, 2018, 07:27:52 PM »
If 666 represents all evil, is 25.806975801127880315188420605149 the root of all evil? ???
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