Denspressure vs Reality

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1200 on: December 09, 2017, 02:07:06 AM »
Anyone else care to elaborate which experiment Scepti is talking about?
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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1201 on: December 09, 2017, 02:18:24 AM »
Denpressure explains everything because denpressure is the reality as far as I'm concerned.
Reality doesn't give a shit what you are concerned.
The simple fact is denspressure is unable to explain reality.

It's for genuine people to perform.
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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1202 on: December 09, 2017, 02:19:37 AM »
Look what up? I do not know what experiment you are talking about.

A little bit of courtesy would be appreciated. It doesn’t take much effort to point me in the right direction.
To put it simply (with the little information he has provided):
He had an inverted lid attached to a motor, with some beads in it, and then spun it fast in a vacuum and rather than have beads go to the rim of the lid, they flew out.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1203 on: December 09, 2017, 02:21:11 AM »
Denpressure explains everything because denpressure is the reality as far as I'm concerned.
Reality doesn't give a shit what you are concerned.
The simple fact is denspressure is unable to explain reality.
It explains it 100% better than the gunk you follow.


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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1204 on: December 09, 2017, 02:24:20 AM »
Look what up? I do not know what experiment you are talking about.

A little bit of courtesy would be appreciated. It doesn’t take much effort to point me in the right direction.
To put it simply (with the little information he has provided):
He had an inverted lid attached to a motor, with some beads in it, and then spun it fast in a vacuum and rather than have beads go to the rim of the lid, they flew out.
They bounced out as the flat plate of the lid created a far from smooth surface.
What they didn't do was adhere to the lid wall which they should do as they do when the chamber is not evacuated.

So, regardless of the bouncing, it matters not, because the issue is in them holding the centripetal force like we are told happens in a vacuum with space orbits of so called vehicles and all kinds of utter bumph.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1205 on: December 09, 2017, 02:52:15 AM »
Look what up? I do not know what experiment you are talking about.

A little bit of courtesy would be appreciated. It doesn’t take much effort to point me in the right direction.
To put it simply (with the little information he has provided):
He had an inverted lid attached to a motor, with some beads in it, and then spun it fast in a vacuum and rather than have beads go to the rim of the lid, they flew out.
They bounced out as the flat plate of the lid created a far from smooth surface.
What they didn't do was adhere to the lid wall which they should do as they do when the chamber is not evacuated.

So, regardless of the bouncing, it matters not, because the issue is in them holding the centripetal force like we are told happens in a vacuum with space orbits of so called vehicles and all kinds of utter bumph.

Centripetal force is the force the pulls an object towards the centre of a circle. In orbits this due to gravity.

A spinning plate would exert absolutely no centripetal force on an object, vacuum or not.
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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1206 on: December 09, 2017, 03:16:19 AM »
Look what up? I do not know what experiment you are talking about.

A little bit of courtesy would be appreciated. It doesn’t take much effort to point me in the right direction.
To put it simply (with the little information he has provided):
He had an inverted lid attached to a motor, with some beads in it, and then spun it fast in a vacuum and rather than have beads go to the rim of the lid, they flew out.
They bounced out as the flat plate of the lid created a far from smooth surface.
What they didn't do was adhere to the lid wall which they should do as they do when the chamber is not evacuated.

So, regardless of the bouncing, it matters not, because the issue is in them holding the centripetal force like we are told happens in a vacuum with space orbits of so called vehicles and all kinds of utter bumph.

Centripetal force is the force the pulls an object towards the centre of a circle. In orbits this due to gravity.

A spinning plate would exert absolutely no centripetal force on an object, vacuum or not.
So, tell me why beads will stick to the sides of a rotating cylinder...you know, like people will on the meteor or rota at a fairground.
What would that be called?

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1207 on: December 09, 2017, 03:37:30 AM »


He needs to be reminded of his own words
Too many people live on too many stories without any physical proof to the stories.
Remind me as much as you need because I stand by what I said.
Now here's the key what you also seem to be missing.

Nobody lives on my stories without any real physical proof.
What I say is for people to understand it from my side. A different take on .....wait for it.....
Too many people live on too many stories without any physical proof to the stories. of mainstream so called science.


Now here's the key.
You are almost bullied or peer pressured (similar thing) to follow what I said in that statement.
You literally do live on the stuff without any physical proof.


I am asking nobody to live on what I say. I am asking those who are interested in questioning the bullied unprovable model to take a different mindset and look at other potentials without the burden on their bullies.

Just because I believe my theories are right does not make them right.
My argument is in, I believe they hold as much and in many cases, more reality than the clap trap we are being told and sold every minute of our lives by people who

live on too many stories without any physical proof to the stories. of mainstream so called science.


And expect the masses to follow suit and also live on too many stories without any physical proof to the stories. of mainstream so called science.


At the very least people need to question.
If people don't want to question then don't waste a second trying to argue against me. But what do I see?

I see people almost frenzied in  arguing against me.
Why?
They make out that they're trying to make sure some idiot like me doesn't manage to make people think away from their stories without any physical proof to the stories. of mainstream so called science.


The thing is ....(this is for people looking in and those that are genuinely interested)..... there's some real experiments for people to do that show reality and the centripetal one in the evacuation chamber of which I showed in a diagram is just one small proof that space orbits are crap and space itself, as in how we've been told, is also crap.
That's just the start but denpressure answers all the reality problems it just can't answer the fantasy world people have been duped into believing they live on.

A bloody spinning globe in a vacuum ::)...for crying out frigging loud. ???

To demonstrate how ridiculous and out of touch your denpressure idea is, think about this, something everyone can see with their own eyes, no big brother thought control required.
Take a fresh ingot of Aluminium newly cast and it’s surface will be bright shiny and silvery. Wait a few days and the surface will be dull. What has happened? Because Aluminium is so reactive it reacts with atmospheric oxygen forming a thin passivation layer of aluminium oxide 4nm thick. This layer of oxide protects the aluminium for any farther corrosion or contact with the atmospher. The same is true of many metals. If denpressure worked according to Sceptimatic the aluminium would corrode from the inside out.
In fact the whole notion of denpressure is at odds with the whole of both, physics, chemistry and biology. If denpressure were real and substances were pourous and contained atmospheric gases we would be living in a very different world. The problem is Sceptimatic  has so little knowledge about the world around him and is so blinkered and resistant to learning that he fails to see the ramifications of his beliefs. Again if it were true so many things would fail due to oxidation, steel framed buildings would be falling down left right and centre due to rusting from the inside out. Coating metals such as steel with thin zinc coatings would be pointless. In Sceptimatic’s world everything would be collapsing and breaking down.
Can he explain how painting steel or using other thin film coatings prevents it from contact with the atmosphere and corroding, when he says:-

all materials are porous and absorb atmospher

If you farther think about his denpressure ideas, then all gasses under compression would leak through the walls of their containers, if as he says all materials were porous then no gases could be contained in any time of vessel. Air flight would be impossible along with numerous other things. He really is unable to think his ideas through.  His belief in denpressure is sheer madness.


« Last Edit: December 09, 2017, 03:53:50 AM by Nightsky »
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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1208 on: December 09, 2017, 04:20:43 AM »
Look what up? I do not know what experiment you are talking about.

A little bit of courtesy would be appreciated. It doesn’t take much effort to point me in the right direction.
To put it simply (with the little information he has provided):
He had an inverted lid attached to a motor, with some beads in it, and then spun it fast in a vacuum and rather than have beads go to the rim of the lid, they flew out.
They bounced out as the flat plate of the lid created a far from smooth surface.
What they didn't do was adhere to the lid wall which they should do as they do when the chamber is not evacuated.

So, regardless of the bouncing, it matters not, because the issue is in them holding the centripetal force like we are told happens in a vacuum with space orbits of so called vehicles and all kinds of utter bumph.

Centripetal force is the force the pulls an object towards the centre of a circle. In orbits this due to gravity.

A spinning plate would exert absolutely no centripetal force on an object, vacuum or not.
So, tell me why beads will stick to the sides of a rotating cylinder...you know, like people will on the meteor or rota at a fairground.
What would that be called?

Ok that is different and definitely not centripetal force.

As the cylinder rotates a tangential forces will be acting on the beads which will have the tendency to force them away from the centre of the rotating cylinder. Eventually they will reach the inside surface and be pushed against it.
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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1209 on: December 09, 2017, 04:33:19 AM »
To demonstrate how ridiculous and out of touch your denpressure idea is, think about this, something everyone can see with their own eyes, no big brother thought control required.
Take a fresh ingot of Aluminium newly cast and it’s surface will be bright shiny and silvery. Wait a few days and the surface will be dull. What has happened? Because Aluminium is so reactive it reacts with atmospheric oxygen forming a thin passivation layer of aluminium oxide 4nm thick. This layer of oxide protects the aluminium for any farther corrosion or contact with the atmospher. The same is true of many metals. If denpressure worked according to Sceptimatic the aluminium would corrode from the inside out.
This is why I keep telling people like yourself to try and understand denpressure and to stop diving head first into stuff that takes you away from the basics.
Your trouble is in thinking trapped atmosphere/gases will corrode stuff as opposed to porosity.
This is what you need to grasp and if you grasp this stuff you will understand.....maybe...but with people like you and Jack and such like, I won't hold my breath.

Normal rational people to try and understand it. Not many will come forward....maybe for fear of ridicule or fear of not understanding it.
Jane is the closest to even wanting to understand it but even Jane thinks it's crazy, yet she's willing to grasp it as best she can.
She manages this because she doesn't keep reverting to mainstream to play counteraction games. She tries to understand it from my point of view.


In fact the whole notion of denpressure is at odds with the whole of both, physics, chemistry and biology.
In a roundabout way it is. That doesn't mean it comes to different conclusions as to building structures of life. It just means that certain stuff is used in different context to explain what they don't physically know, yet can use a specific formation to map something and use that mapping of matter to explain stuff.
I can do exactly the same, only I use the same stuff and not enter into magic like mainstream does when their duping of the public comes into play, like gravity and special/general relativity and spacecraft, etc, etc, etc.

Good old basics and natural science is all you need.


If denpressure were real and substances were pourous and contained atmospheric gases we would be living in a very different world.
We are living in a very different world. That's the whole point of it.
It's not a spinning globe in a vacuum with burning suns and planets that are trillions upon trillion of miles away and you can float forever and ....well.....need I really go on with this sickening, yet funny global garbage?
Yep the world is remarkably different.
It is essentially compromised of flat water and flattish land but does curve up slowly towards the centre and away from the centre.
Everything is container in it, under a dome.
Yep, it's a remarkably different world and it works with denpressure and not fictional nonsense such as gravity, etc.



The problem is Sceptimatic  has so little knowledge about the world around him and is so blinkered and resistant to learning that he fails to see the ramifications of his beliefs. Again if it were true so many things would fail due to oxidation, steel framed buildings would be falling down left right and centre due to rusting from the inside out.
Understand it and you won't need to say this stuff.


Coating metals such as steel with thin zinc coatings would be pointless. In Sceptimatic’s world everything would be collapsing and breaking down.
Can he explain how painting steel or using other thin film coatings prevents it from contact with the atmosphere and corroding, when he says:-

all materials are porous and absorb atmosphere

Understand friction and trapped matter in my way and you'll get a grasp.


If you farther think about his denpressure ideas, then all gasses under compression would leak through the walls of their containers, if as he says all materials were porous then no gases could be contained in any time of vessel.
Take a look at superfluids and such.
Your mind is on what you can see in a container holding water without grasping that denser matter will displace less dense and why the Earth atmosphere is stacked.
You just need to think.



Air flight would be impossible along with numerous other things. He really is unable to think his ideas through.  His belief in denpressure is sheer madness.
Air travel works fine  with denpressure.

The problem is you have absolutely no clue what denpressure is.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1210 on: December 09, 2017, 04:40:07 AM »
To demonstrate how ridiculous and out of touch your denpressure idea is, think about this, something everyone can see with their own eyes, no big brother thought control required.
Take a fresh ingot of Aluminium newly cast and it’s surface will be bright shiny and silvery. Wait a few days and the surface will be dull. What has happened? Because Aluminium is so reactive it reacts with atmospheric oxygen forming a thin passivation layer of aluminium oxide 4nm thick. This layer of oxide protects the aluminium for any farther corrosion or contact with the atmospher. The same is true of many metals. If denpressure worked according to Sceptimatic the aluminium would corrode from the inside out.
This is why I keep telling people like yourself to try and understand denpressure and to stop diving head first into stuff that takes you away from the basics.
Your trouble is in thinking trapped atmosphere/gases will corrode stuff as opposed to porosity.
This is what you need to grasp and if you grasp this stuff you will understand.....maybe...but with people like you and Jack and such like, I won't hold my breath.

Normal rational people to try and understand it. Not many will come forward....maybe for fear of ridicule or fear of not understanding it.
Jane is the closest to even wanting to understand it but even Jane thinks it's crazy, yet she's willing to grasp it as best she can.
She manages this because she doesn't keep reverting to mainstream to play counteraction games. She tries to understand it from my point of view.


In fact the whole notion of denpressure is at odds with the whole of both, physics, chemistry and biology.
In a roundabout way it is. That doesn't mean it comes to different conclusions as to building structures of life. It just means that certain stuff is used in different context to explain what they don't physically know, yet can use a specific formation to map something and use that mapping of matter to explain stuff.
I can do exactly the same, only I use the same stuff and not enter into magic like mainstream does when their duping of the public comes into play, like gravity and special/general relativity and spacecraft, etc, etc, etc.

Good old basics and natural science is all you need.


If denpressure were real and substances were pourous and contained atmospheric gases we would be living in a very different world.
We are living in a very different world. That's the whole point of it.
It's not a spinning globe in a vacuum with burning suns and planets that are trillions upon trillion of miles away and you can float forever and ....well.....need I really go on with this sickening, yet funny global garbage?
Yep the world is remarkably different.
It is essentially compromised of flat water and flattish land but does curve up slowly towards the centre and away from the centre.
Everything is container in it, under a dome.
Yep, it's a remarkably different world and it works with denpressure and not fictional nonsense such as gravity, etc.



The problem is Sceptimatic  has so little knowledge about the world around him and is so blinkered and resistant to learning that he fails to see the ramifications of his beliefs. Again if it were true so many things would fail due to oxidation, steel framed buildings would be falling down left right and centre due to rusting from the inside out.
Understand it and you won't need to say this stuff.


Coating metals such as steel with thin zinc coatings would be pointless. In Sceptimatic’s world everything would be collapsing and breaking down.
Can he explain how painting steel or using other thin film coatings prevents it from contact with the atmosphere and corroding, when he says:-

all materials are porous and absorb atmosphere

Understand friction and trapped matter in my way and you'll get a grasp.


If you farther think about his denpressure ideas, then all gasses under compression would leak through the walls of their containers, if as he says all materials were porous then no gases could be contained in any time of vessel.
Take a look at superfluids and such.
Your mind is on what you can see in a container holding water without grasping that denser matter will displace less dense and why the Earth atmosphere is stacked.
You just need to think.



Air flight would be impossible along with numerous other things. He really is unable to think his ideas through.  His belief in denpressure is sheer madness.
Air travel works fine  with denpressure.

The problem is you have absolutely no clue what denpressure is.

You really are the epitamy of narrow minded blinkered thinking. What is the mechanism that stops materials reacting with any atmospheric oxygen they have adsorbed.
But above all where is your evidence......
I know...you don’t have any!
You can call me Gwyneth
I said that
Oh for the love of- Logical formulation:
FET is wrong, unsupported by evidence, and most models are refuted on multiple fronts; those that aren't tend not to make enough predictions to be realistically falsifiable
Jane said these

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1211 on: December 09, 2017, 05:27:01 AM »
You really are the epitamy of narrow minded blinkered thinking. What is the mechanism that stops materials reacting with any atmospheric oxygen they have adsorbed.
But above all where is your evidence......
I know...you don’t have any!
Come back when you're not so uptight and even willing to start at the basics, because, trust me, you really don't have a clue what you're arguing against.

Sit and call me whatever you feel but try and learn instead of yapping for no reason, thaggy.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1212 on: December 09, 2017, 06:53:36 AM »
What I am trying to work out is how molecules in denpressure are capable of changing size by many orders of magnitude.

Eg place a balloon on top of a pool of liquid nitrogen and the balloon will collapse to around 1/1000 of its previous volume.
When you start to go down this route without understanding denpressure, all you're going to do is set yourself back.
Why don't you have the ability to go basic and build from that?

Let's go with your thought.
If your balloon collapses to 1/1000 of its volume the what's causing this?
What is causing the molecules to lose volume and collapse the balloon like you say?
This brings me back to a question I had that you didn't answer.  What is moving in and out of those molecules as the expand and contract.  With the balloons, sponge balls etc it is air that is moving in and out.  What is it inside the individual molecules?
They are never individual molecules.
Think of the gobstopper.
The gobstopper is what would be the densest matter. Now it peels down and attaches, depending on the vibration and energy applied.
They don't just inflate like big balloons and expand.
The gaseous parts are a section of the gobstopper and depending on what we understand as gases is in how they are peeled and configured into molecular structures.

Don't spend you time arguing this and that with your mainstream stuff. I'm telling you it from my side. Take it or leave it.
I didn't argue it I asked what was taking the place of air in this molecular expansion and contraction.  The molecules are getting bigger and smaller.  Each individual molecule.  What is taking the place of air in your sponge analogy?.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1213 on: December 09, 2017, 07:02:01 AM »
What I am trying to work out is how molecules in denpressure are capable of changing size by many orders of magnitude.

Eg place a balloon on top of a pool of liquid nitrogen and the balloon will collapse to around 1/1000 of its previous volume.
When you start to go down this route without understanding denpressure, all you're going to do is set yourself back.
Why don't you have the ability to go basic and build from that?

Let's go with your thought.
If your balloon collapses to 1/1000 of its volume the what's causing this?
What is causing the molecules to lose volume and collapse the balloon like you say?
This brings me back to a question I had that you didn't answer.  What is moving in and out of those molecules as the expand and contract.  With the balloons, sponge balls etc it is air that is moving in and out.  What is it inside the individual molecules?
They are never individual molecules.
Think of the gobstopper.
The gobstopper is what would be the densest matter. Now it peels down and attaches, depending on the vibration and energy applied.
They don't just inflate like big balloons and expand.
The gaseous parts are a section of the gobstopper and depending on what we understand as gases is in how they are peeled and configured into molecular structures.

Don't spend you time arguing this and that with your mainstream stuff. I'm telling you it from my side. Take it or leave it.
I didn't argue it I asked what was taking the place of air in this molecular expansion and contraction.  The molecules are getting bigger and smaller.  Each individual molecule.  What is taking the place of air in your sponge analogy?.
The sponge ball. In the most basic analogy ever and you still can't grasp it.
Seriously, don't bother.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1214 on: December 09, 2017, 08:26:33 AM »
You really are the epitamy of narrow minded blinkered thinking. What is the mechanism that stops materials reacting with any atmospheric oxygen they have adsorbed.
But above all where is your evidence......
I know...you don’t have any!
Come back when you're not so uptight and even willing to start at the basics, because, trust me, you really don't have a clue what you're arguing against.

Sit and call me whatever you feel but try and learn instead of yapping for no reason, thaggy.

Your totally correct I and the rest of the planet have no idea what your on about as your ideas have no basis in reality.
You have still to prove your magic molecules, what you give instead is constant evasion.
What stops steel and all the other metals on the planet corroding from the inside out....what’s the mechanism?...you offer no explanations, so how do you expect people to understand? Or do you expect blind belief that you accuse others of?
Tell me help me understand, what observations led you to your belief and what real hard evidence could you supply to convince others.
You can call me Gwyneth
I said that
Oh for the love of- Logical formulation:
FET is wrong, unsupported by evidence, and most models are refuted on multiple fronts; those that aren't tend not to make enough predictions to be realistically falsifiable
Jane said these

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1215 on: December 09, 2017, 09:01:57 AM »

All your "you can't grasp it so don't bother" comments are complete and total cop-outs.

Also, if I am to follow your advice of rejecting theories that are unproven I must certainly reject your ideas.

Expanding molecules? Sounds pretty silly and unproven to me! Sounds like something you would scoff and scorn and make ridiculous demands  for evidence of, if it was someone else's idea.

BTW you lost any credibility with me as a free thinker when you insisted that there was no such thing as a constant rate of acceleration. Any thinker who wasn't completely stupid would be able to see that it is absolutely possible.
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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1216 on: December 09, 2017, 09:36:33 AM »
If he can’t grasp the concept of constant acceleration or inertia then no wonder he clings to made up rubbish.....
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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1217 on: December 09, 2017, 09:46:22 AM »
What I am trying to work out is how molecules in denpressure are capable of changing size by many orders of magnitude.

Eg place a balloon on top of a pool of liquid nitrogen and the balloon will collapse to around 1/1000 of its previous volume.
When you start to go down this route without understanding denpressure, all you're going to do is set yourself back.
Why don't you have the ability to go basic and build from that?

Let's go with your thought.
If your balloon collapses to 1/1000 of its volume the what's causing this?
What is causing the molecules to lose volume and collapse the balloon like you say?
This brings me back to a question I had that you didn't answer.  What is moving in and out of those molecules as the expand and contract.  With the balloons, sponge balls etc it is air that is moving in and out.  What is it inside the individual molecules?
They are never individual molecules.
Think of the gobstopper.
The gobstopper is what would be the densest matter. Now it peels down and attaches, depending on the vibration and energy applied.
They don't just inflate like big balloons and expand.
The gaseous parts are a section of the gobstopper and depending on what we understand as gases is in how they are peeled and configured into molecular structures.

Don't spend you time arguing this and that with your mainstream stuff. I'm telling you it from my side. Take it or leave it.
I didn't argue it I asked what was taking the place of air in this molecular expansion and contraction.  The molecules are getting bigger and smaller.  Each individual molecule.  What is taking the place of air in your sponge analogy?.
The sponge ball. In the most basic analogy ever and you still can't grasp it.
Seriously, don't bother.
I get the analogy.  Now I am asking a specific question that should have a specific answer.  I'm not arguing with you, I have not even said you are wrong.
A molecule is a group of atoms bonded together.  So if that group expands what is actually happening.  In your analogy air is going into the spaces in the sponge as it expands. 
Are the atoms themselves getting bigger when the molecule expands?  Do air molecules squeeze in between the other molecules?  If so how do they fit?  Is the space inside the molecule getting bigger, leaving more of a void between the parts of the atoms?
What is the actual mechanism happening when they expand and contract?

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1218 on: December 09, 2017, 01:44:48 PM »
Denpressure explains everything because denpressure is the reality as far as I'm concerned.
Reality doesn't give a shit what you are concerned.
The simple fact is denspressure is unable to explain reality.
It explains it 100% better than the gunk you follow.
Again, if that was the case you would have answered the questions asked of you and addressed issues raised.
But you didn't.
Instead you need to resort to lying and saying it has been explained.

You have also been completely unable to show any issue with the mainstream explanations.

They bounced out as the flat plate of the lid created a far from smooth surface.
And that is the problem.
This makes your experiment useless.

So, regardless of the bouncing, it matters not, because the issue is in them holding the centripetal force like we are told happens in a vacuum with space orbits
No, the issue is really if they have inertia. Guess what, your experiment still shows they do.
The spinning lid hit them with their inertia carrying them out of the dish after this collision.

Are orbits in space beads sitting on a spinning disc? No.
As such your experiment does not disprove inertia or centripetal/centrifugal forces or orbits in space.

So, tell me why beads will stick to the sides of a rotating cylinder
Notice how that is the sides of a rotating cylinder, not a spinning plate?

This is why I keep telling people like yourself to try and understand denpressure and to stop diving head first into stuff that takes you away from the basics.
No, this doesn't take us away from the basics, it shows the basics are wrong.

You seem to only want to focus on the basics because as soon as you try and expand your model starts falling apart.

Your trouble is in thinking trapped atmosphere/gases will corrode stuff as opposed to porosity.
Why won't trapped gasses corrode stuff?

This is what you need to grasp and if you grasp this stuff you will understand.....maybe...but with people like you and Jack and such like, I won't hold my breath.
So we need to discard reality and grasp pure nonsense?

Normal rational people to try and understand it.
As I did, which then involved me asking simple questions which you were unable to answer.
Instead of providing an answer you resorted to insulting me.
I have since improved my understanding of it from various other hypothetical situations, and your model continues to fail to match reality.

Us realising it doesn't match reality doesn't mean we don't understand it.

Jane is the closest to even wanting to understand it but even Jane thinks it's crazy, yet she's willing to grasp it as best she can.
She manages this because she doesn't keep reverting to mainstream to play counteraction games. She tries to understand it from my point of view.
No, it is because she doesn't bother asking you questions about comparing it to reality or comparing different questions because she knows it wont work.
She is willing to ignore the problems to understand it.
Meanwhile myself and others do ask these questions or point out these problem.
That doesn't mean we don't understand. It means we realise it doesn't match reality.

Good old basics and natural science is all you need.
Basic and natural science is what the mainstream has.
You are the one with pure magic.

We are living in a very different world. That's the whole point of it.
No, we aren't.
If you have a piece of metal with a corroded surface, you can cut it open and have an uncorroded surface.
If you leave it sitting there that surface corrodes.
We have mercury barometers that work, we can have a column of water roughly 10 m high supported by the atmosphere.
Objects in water weigh less than objects in air.
If you stop forcing something forwards it continues moving.

And so on.

All of this is consistent with mainstream science, yet contradicts your nonsense.

It's not a spinning globe in a vacuum with burning suns and planets that are trillions upon trillion of miles away and you can float forever and ....well.....need I really go on with this sickening, yet funny global garbage?
No, you need to stop just ridiculing it like this.
You need to understand it and present a rational argument against it.
Until you do, no rational person will take you seriously.

Yep, it's a remarkably different world and it works with denpressure and not fictional nonsense such as gravity, etc.
Except you are now describing a purely fictional world, not reality.

Can he explain how painting steel or using other thin film coatings prevents it from contact with the atmosphere and corroding, when he says:-
all materials are porous and absorb atmosphere
Understand friction and trapped matter in my way and you'll get a grasp.
So that's a no.
You have no way to explain it so you need to deflect.

If you farther think about his denpressure ideas, then all gasses under compression would leak through the walls of their containers, if as he says all materials were porous then no gases could be contained in any time of vessel.
Take a look at superfluids and such.
Which still don't leak through the walls of their container.
Instead they produce a film which coats their container.

Your mind is on what you can see in a container holding water without grasping that denser matter will displace less dense and why the Earth atmosphere is stacked.
The issue isn't displacing the matter, the issue is the directionality of it, and why the atmosphere is stacked. You are yet to explain either.

You just need to think.
We do, that is why we don't accept denspressure.
Also, one more thing you should notice, that is spun up slowly, allowing the objects to firmly adhere and be sped up smoothly, rather than simply being bashed out.

Come back when you're not so uptight and even willing to start at the basics, because, trust me, you really don't have a clue what you're arguing against.
And what happens every time someone has tried this?
We start again at the basics, you provide your "explanations".
We then apply these explanations to something slightly more complex, and you just go back into insult mode and lying claiming it is already explained.

If you can only deal with very basic things, your model is garbage.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1219 on: December 09, 2017, 02:38:08 PM »
I get you. It’s a December April fool. You were just joking!
You can call me Gwyneth
I said that
Oh for the love of- Logical formulation:
FET is wrong, unsupported by evidence, and most models are refuted on multiple fronts; those that aren't tend not to make enough predictions to be realistically falsifiable
Jane said these

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1220 on: December 09, 2017, 11:58:52 PM »
But seriously denpressure hangs on the microscopic behaviour of both the atmosphere and the materials it is said to permeate. You yourself say you should only believe what you can see, so how did you observe the microscopic behaviour your ideas hinge on?
You can call me Gwyneth
I said that
Oh for the love of- Logical formulation:
FET is wrong, unsupported by evidence, and most models are refuted on multiple fronts; those that aren't tend not to make enough predictions to be realistically falsifiable
Jane said these

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1221 on: December 10, 2017, 12:56:26 AM »

I didn't argue it I asked what was taking the place of air in this molecular expansion and contraction.  The molecules are getting bigger and smaller.  Each individual molecule.  What is taking the place of air in your sponge analogy?.
Everything is compressed like a gobstopper in all matter from bottom to top and in layers of different amounts depending on where they are under, on and above Earth, to the dome.
Agitation/vibration/friction of all these similar gobstoppers will naturally peels the layers but the pressure will leave the peeled layers trapped between the dense gobstoppers which, along with many many other peeled layers in that gobstopper, depending on pressure and vibration, they all take up all space but are trapped until they become squeezed up into lesser dense gobstoppers where they will end up taking their place after all the peeled layers being forced into each other and around each other depending.

Now here's the key.
The outer layers are already expanded and can only become less expanded after peeling.
The inner layers are each a little less expanded that the outer layer each one is under all the way to the centre which is not expanded but super compressed and ready for expansion.

It's the inner compressed matter that becomes the super expanded matter and it is this configuration which can create super friction if enough vibrationary pressure is underway.

Let me give you an example using the sponge as an analogy and not because it's full of air hole.
Imagine a massive sponge ball and you want to compress it so you start wrapping elastic bands over it and each one compresses it more and more as more elastic bands crush it down.
Imagine this as going deeper and deeper underground and a pressure build.

Imagine the sponge ending up being so dense because of all those layers and imagine what would happen if that elastic band wrap could not contain the sponge. Let's say super pressure of vibration/agitation/friction quickly peeled those layers.
Imagine the expansion of that sponge but also imagine the condensing of the elastic holding the sponge, going in the opposite way as in expansion to compression depending on where it is in the ground.


Now just imagine how everything manages to find a pressure stack/sandwich and the almost endless configurations of each expansion and contraction and vibration and frequency of it all under varying pressures from the ground to the ceiling (dome) of Earth.

Or are you still going to say you don't get it?

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1222 on: December 10, 2017, 01:05:48 AM »
And your evidence for peeling gobstopper layers is......?
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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1223 on: December 10, 2017, 01:08:17 AM »

If you can only deal with very basic things, your model is garbage.
The basics are what people will eventually understand that scuppers gravity and the nonsense that goes with it, which includes the entire global Earth nonsense.
The basics is what people like you can't or won't grasp because your mind is book focused and memory adhered to so you can regurgitate the same old useless and pointless crap, to be fair.

It's strange how I've talked to people face to face and also shown them how and why I think what I think and yet they get it. They can see how the basics stump the magic of mainstream and yet you people simply can't see anything.
That to me tells me a lot about the stuff going on.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1224 on: December 10, 2017, 01:09:37 AM »
And your evidence for peeling gobstopper layers is......?
The same as your evidence for your jumping bean atoms and what not.
I can't prove any of that and it comes down to using as best analogy for basics as I can.
Go back to sleep.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1225 on: December 10, 2017, 01:13:34 AM »
A hypothetical question.

If I were to read out these words in public:
"Everything is compressed like a gobstopper in all matter from bottom to top and in layers of different amounts depending on where they are under, on and above Earth, to the dome.
Agitation/vibration/friction of all these similar gobstoppers will naturally peels the layers but the pressure will leave the peeled layers trapped between the dense gobstoppers which, along with many many other peeled layers in that gobstopper, depending on pressure and vibration, they all take up all space but are trapped until they become squeezed up into lesser dense gobstoppers where they will end up taking their place after all the peeled layers being forced into each other and around each
."

How long would it be before I was strapped down and carted off to the funny farm?

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1226 on: December 10, 2017, 01:22:27 AM »
A hypothetical question.

If I were to read out these words in public:
"Everything is compressed like a gobstopper in all matter from bottom to top and in layers of different amounts depending on where they are under, on and above Earth, to the dome.
Agitation/vibration/friction of all these similar gobstoppers will naturally peels the layers but the pressure will leave the peeled layers trapped between the dense gobstoppers which, along with many many other peeled layers in that gobstopper, depending on pressure and vibration, they all take up all space but are trapped until they become squeezed up into lesser dense gobstoppers where they will end up taking their place after all the peeled layers being forced into each other and around each
."

How long would it be before I was strapped down and carted off to the funny farm?
Not long but if you wore a lab coat and had an official badge telling all and sundry that this is the new process by which science operates, then you'll somehow be taken notice of and eventually be part of a system of books and what not teaching it.

Obviously that's just hypothetical but you should get what I mean.

I think gobstopper would be used in a different term but it's fine for analogies as it keeps people's minds on the basics of understanding, even if it takes time to settle in.
I never expect people like you to do anything other than ridicule. I would always expect it. It's only natural you story readers will stick to your mainstream, once upon a time, books.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1227 on: December 10, 2017, 01:22:50 AM »
You know thé expirement from archimedes that pressure in a gas and a liquid is the same everywhere on every place the from thé container it is in that's how pneumetics and hydraulica work

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1228 on: December 10, 2017, 01:30:30 AM »
You know thé expirement from archimedes that pressure in a gas and a liquid is the same everywhere on every place the from thé container it is in that's how pneumetics and hydraulica work
You mean pressure that is FORCED into a strong container.
What has that got against what I'm saying?

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1229 on: December 10, 2017, 01:59:39 AM »
And your evidence for peeling gobstopper layers is......?
The same as your evidence for your jumping bean atoms and what not.
I can't prove any of that and it comes down to using as best analogy for basics as I can.
Go back to sleep.

Sorry but there are multiple sources of corroborating evidence for kinetic theory.

Whilst you literally have nothing at all other than your thoughts.

Going to have to try harder than that. 
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