Denspressure vs Reality

I've heard it said that everyone is an expert in something. Scepti, out of curiosity, what is it that you consider yourself to be most skilled in?

Acceleration can never be a constant, ever.

Acceleration is a gain in speed/mph. It is never a constant until it becomes a set speed/mph, in which it then ceases to be called, acceleration.

Incorrect!

In the real world is acceleration is the rate of change of velocity, so it would be measured as
It is usually written as m/s² or as ms^-2, though the units could be different.

So there is no reason why acceleration should not be constant, at least for a limited time.

For example, 100 kph is about 28 m/s
How would you tackle a similar problem?

Also, why would we not use common, scientific vocabulary?

“Cows are carnivores.”

“No, they eat grass.”

“Well, in my model, cows have claws and sharp teeth.”

“That’s a cat.”

“In your model, but the way I’m using the word ‘cow,’ I mean that small animal with sharp teeth and claws. And they ARE carnivores. My pet cow loves to sit on my lap, purr, and eat spinach.”

“You mean ‘tuna’?”

“Not in my model.”

That's actually what your science is in terms of this stuff.
Your scientists are telling people that certain fictions are truths.

I've heard it said that everyone is an expert in something. Scepti, out of curiosity, what is it that you consider yourself to be most skilled in?

I'm most skilled in being myself.

Quote from: defender_of_truth on November 27, 2017, 02:43:56 AM

I've heard it said that everyone is an expert in something. Scepti, out of curiosity, what is it that you consider yourself to be most skilled in?

I'm most skilled in being myself.

So... deflecting.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 27, 2017, 12:47:43 AM

Acceleration can never be a constant, ever.

Acceleration is a gain in speed/mph. It is never a constant until it becomes a set speed/mph, in which it then ceases to be called, acceleration.

Incorrect!

In the real world is acceleration is the rate of change of velocity, so it would be measured as

so many (metres per second change) each second.

It is usually written as m/s² or as ms^-2, though the units could be different.

So there is no reason why acceleration should not be constant, at least for a limited time.

For example, 100 kph is about 28 m/s

so if a car accelerates with a constant acceleration rate of 2.8 m/s²,
it would take about 10 sec to reach 100 kph.

How would you tackle a similar problem?

I would tackle the problem in a simple way.
First I would understand that the car that is accelerating is not at any time doing it as a constant.
I would realise this by noting a change in mph or m/s or km/h or whatever.

I'd then understand that working any numbers out of any size would never ever make any acceleration a constant.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 27, 2017, 02:50:12 AM

Quote from: defender_of_truth on November 27, 2017, 02:43:56 AM

I've heard it said that everyone is an expert in something. Scepti, out of curiosity, what is it that you consider yourself to be most skilled in?

I'm most skilled in being myself.

So... deflecting.

You asked me a question and I gave you an answer. How am I deflecting?

Quote from: defender_of_truth on November 27, 2017, 02:52:03 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 27, 2017, 02:50:12 AM

Quote from: defender_of_truth on November 27, 2017, 02:43:56 AM

I've heard it said that everyone is an expert in something. Scepti, out of curiosity, what is it that you consider yourself to be most skilled in?

I'm most skilled in being myself.

So... deflecting.

You asked me a question and I gave you an answer. How am I deflecting?

By intentionally ignoring the obvious intent of my question. What is or was a hobby or profession that you consider yourself skilled in?

Quote from: Jonny B Smart on November 26, 2017, 02:48:12 PM

Also, why would we not use common, scientific vocabulary?

“Cows are carnivores.”

“No, they eat grass.”

“Well, in my model, cows have claws and sharp teeth.”

“That’s a cat.”

“In your model, but the way I’m using the word ‘cow,’ I mean that small animal with sharp teeth and claws. And they ARE carnivores. My pet cow loves to sit on my lap, purr, and eat spinach.”

“You mean ‘tuna’?”

“Not in my model.”

That's actually what your science is in terms of this stuff.
Your scientists are telling people that certain fictions are truths.

Really? Funny how the fictions that "scientists are telling people" actuality works and your fantasy doesn't!

Explain how your fantasy predicts the lift of a new aircraft before it has ever flown.
And how your fantasy would calculate the take off and landing distance's for said plane.
Then explain how your fantasy would calculate the size girder needed in the design of a bridge span of known length and loading.

Real people in the real world have to design things like this and much more complex things.

And, yes, they need those terrible things called equations, so run off and dream up some more total nonsense.
 

This thread is ALL WIN in my book

sceptimatic, keep up the fight, my friend! You are why I'm here!

By intentionally ignoring the obvious intent of my question. What is or was a hobby or profession that you consider yourself skilled in?

Innovation.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 27, 2017, 02:47:12 AM

Quote from: Jonny B Smart on November 26, 2017, 02:48:12 PM

Also, why would we not use common, scientific vocabulary?

“Cows are carnivores.”

“No, they eat grass.”

“Well, in my model, cows have claws and sharp teeth.”

“That’s a cat.”

“In your model, but the way I’m using the word ‘cow,’ I mean that small animal with sharp teeth and claws. And they ARE carnivores. My pet cow loves to sit on my lap, purr, and eat spinach.”

“You mean ‘tuna’?”

“Not in my model.”

That's actually what your science is in terms of this stuff.
Your scientists are telling people that certain fictions are truths.

Really? Funny how the fictions that "scientists are telling people" actuality works and your fantasy doesn't!

Explain how your fantasy predicts the lift of a new aircraft before it has ever flown.
And how your fantasy would calculate the take off and landing distance's for said plane.
Then explain how your fantasy would calculate the size girder needed in the design of a bridge span of known length and loading.

Real people in the real world have to design things like this and much more complex things.

And, yes, they need those terrible things called equations, so run off and dream up some more total nonsense.
 

I have no issues with any of this stuff.

What am I going against that would stop any of what you say working?

This thread is ALL WIN in my book

sceptimatic, keep up the fight, my friend! You are why I'm here!

I intend to.

Quote from: defender_of_truth on November 27, 2017, 02:58:22 AM

By intentionally ignoring the obvious intent of my question. What is or was a hobby or profession that you consider yourself skilled in?

Innovation.

That seems unlikely to me.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 27, 2017, 03:20:04 AM

Quote from: defender_of_truth on November 27, 2017, 02:58:22 AM

By intentionally ignoring the obvious intent of my question. What is or was a hobby or profession that you consider yourself skilled in?

Innovation.

That seems unlikely to me.

Pointless actually asking wasn't it.
Next time just think of me in however way you feel best suits your mood. I'm happy with what you decide.

Quote from: defender_of_truth on November 27, 2017, 03:33:04 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 27, 2017, 03:20:04 AM

Quote from: defender_of_truth on November 27, 2017, 02:58:22 AM

By intentionally ignoring the obvious intent of my question. What is or was a hobby or profession that you consider yourself skilled in?

Innovation.

That seems unlikely to me.

Pointless actually asking wasn't it.
Next time just think of me in however way you feel best suits your mood. I'm happy with what you decide.

I'm trying to show you the fallacies in your conjectures by relating to something you are familiar with.

I would tackle the problem in a simple way.
First I would understand that the car that is accelerating is not at any time doing it as a constant.
I would realise this by noting a change in mph or m/s or km/h or whatever.

I'd then understand that working any numbers out of any size would never ever make any acceleration a constant.

Nothing in what you have said means that acceleration cannot be constant.
If you, or some automatic means, were to carefully adjust the accelerator
so that the speed increased by 10 kph each second for 10 seconds the acceleration would be constant for those 10 seconds.

Where is the problem it that?

What you are claiming is that you could never work thebeforehandut before hand.
Hence you would be totally useless at designing anything in the real world where you continually have to work out
           "what would happen if . . . . . ?" type of problems.

Thanks for proving how really useless your ideas would be at handling real world problems,

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 27, 2017, 03:39:41 AM

Quote from: defender_of_truth on November 27, 2017, 03:33:04 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 27, 2017, 03:20:04 AM

Quote from: defender_of_truth on November 27, 2017, 02:58:22 AM

By intentionally ignoring the obvious intent of my question. What is or was a hobby or profession that you consider yourself skilled in?

Innovation.

That seems unlikely to me.

Pointless actually asking wasn't it.
Next time just think of me in however way you feel best suits your mood. I'm happy with what you decide.

I'm trying to show you the fallacies in your conjectures by relating to something you are familiar with.

By all means keep trying.

Quote from: defender_of_truth on November 27, 2017, 03:45:13 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 27, 2017, 03:39:41 AM

Quote from: defender_of_truth on November 27, 2017, 03:33:04 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 27, 2017, 03:20:04 AM

Quote from: defender_of_truth on November 27, 2017, 02:58:22 AM

By intentionally ignoring the obvious intent of my question. What is or was a hobby or profession that you consider yourself skilled in?

Innovation.

That seems unlikely to me.

Pointless actually asking wasn't it.
Next time just think of me in however way you feel best suits your mood. I'm happy with what you decide.

I'm trying to show you the fallacies in your conjectures by relating to something you are familiar with.

By all means keep trying.

That requires you to tell me something you are familiar with, so that we can apply physics to it.

Nothing in what you have said means that acceleration cannot be constant.
If you, or some automatic means, were to carefully adjust the accelerator
so that the speed increased by 10 kph each second for 10 seconds the acceleration would be constant for those 10 seconds.

Where is the problem it that?

The problem is in the word, ACCELERATION, because it means the movement of the vehicle/object builds in mph or m/s or inches per second if you want.
It means that it can never be constant even if you accelerate for 1 second or 100 seconds, etc.

It doesn't matter which way you look at it in any realistic term. Acceleration will never be a constant....ever.

What you are claiming is that you could never work thebeforehandut before hand.
Hence you would be totally useless at designing anything in the real world where you continually have to work out
           "what would happen if . . . . . ?" type of problems.

Thanks for proving how really useless your ideas would be at handling real world problems,

No. I could work stuff out in hypothetical situations.

For instance if someone says, what would happen if you could stop a truck with one hand whilst wearing a pair of tight leggings showing the extremely tiny little bulge in your pants, whilst wearing a cape with your hair also slicked back.
I'd probably say that the truck would be smashed up and I'd think I was superman.
All totally hypothetical of course.

That requires you to tell me something you are familiar with, so that we can apply physics to it.

How about ACCELERATION.

No. I could work stuff out in hypothetical situations.

For instance if someone says, what would happen if you could stop a truck with one hand whilst wearing a pair of tight leggings showing the extremely tiny little bulge in your pants, whilst wearing a cape with your hair also slicked back.
I'd probably say that the truck would be smashed up and I'd think I was superman.
All totally hypothetical of course.

in other words, you and your theories are total crap, just as I thought.

Quote from: defender_of_truth on November 27, 2017, 03:50:39 AM

That requires you to tell me something you are familiar with, so that we can apply physics to it.

How about ACCELERATION.

I'm on a train right now going 130 kph, how many seconds will it take to stop if it looses 1 kph per second? I know it's hard, but you can figure it out if you are an expert in acceleration.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 27, 2017, 03:59:52 AM

No. I could work stuff out in hypothetical situations.

For instance if someone says, what would happen if you could stop a truck with one hand whilst wearing a pair of tight leggings showing the extremely tiny little bulge in your pants, whilst wearing a cape with your hair also slicked back.
I'd probably say that the truck would be smashed up and I'd think I was superman.
All totally hypothetical of course.

in other words, you and your theories are total crap, just as I thought.

You started it.

Quote from: rabinoz on November 27, 2017, 03:46:34 AM

Nothing in what you have said means that acceleration cannot be constant.
If you, or some automatic means, were to carefully adjust the accelerator
so that the speed increased by 10 kph each second for 10 seconds the acceleration would be constant for those 10 seconds.

Where is the problem it that?

The problem is in the word, ACCELERATION, because it means the movement of the vehicle/object builds in mph or m/s or inches per second if you want.
It means that it can never be constant even if you accelerate for 1 second or 100 seconds, etc.

It doesn't matter which way you look at it in any realistic term. Acceleration will never be a constant....ever.

Quote from: rabinoz on November 27, 2017, 03:46:34 AM

What you are claiming is that you could never work thebeforehandut before hand.
Hence you would be totally useless at designing anything in the real world where you continually have to work out
           "what would happen if . . . . . ?" type of problems.

Thanks for proving how really useless your ideas would be at handling real world problems,

No. I could work stuff out in hypothetical situations.

For instance if someone says, what would happen if you could stop a truck with one hand whilst wearing a pair of tight leggings showing the extremely tiny little bulge in your pants, whilst wearing a cape with your hair also slicked back.
I'd probably say that the truck would be smashed up and I'd think I was superman.
All totally hypothetical of course.

Wrong.... Acceleration is a rate of change and as such can be constant.
One can accelerate a shaft from rest to N revs/ sec over time 't'
The shaft can be said to have undergone a period of uniform or constant Acceleration until it reached its max speed.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 27, 2017, 04:00:31 AM

Quote from: defender_of_truth on November 27, 2017, 03:50:39 AM

That requires you to tell me something you are familiar with, so that we can apply physics to it.

How about ACCELERATION.

I'm on a train right now going 130 kph, how many seconds will it take to stop if it looses 1 kph per second? I know it's hard, but you can figure it out if you are an expert in acceleration.

It has nothing to do with acceleration.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 27, 2017, 03:59:52 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on November 27, 2017, 03:46:34 AM

Nothing in what you have said means that acceleration cannot be constant.
If you, or some automatic means, were to carefully adjust the accelerator
so that the speed increased by 10 kph each second for 10 seconds the acceleration would be constant for those 10 seconds.

Where is the problem it that?

The problem is in the word, ACCELERATION, because it means the movement of the vehicle/object builds in mph or m/s or inches per second if you want.
It means that it can never be constant even if you accelerate for 1 second or 100 seconds, etc.

It doesn't matter which way you look at it in any realistic term. Acceleration will never be a constant....ever.

Quote from: rabinoz on November 27, 2017, 03:46:34 AM

What you are claiming is that you could never work thebeforehandut before hand.
Hence you would be totally useless at designing anything in the real world where you continually have to work out
           "what would happen if . . . . . ?" type of problems.

Thanks for proving how really useless your ideas would be at handling real world problems,

No. I could work stuff out in hypothetical situations.

For instance if someone says, what would happen if you could stop a truck with one hand whilst wearing a pair of tight leggings showing the extremely tiny little bulge in your pants, whilst wearing a cape with your hair also slicked back.
I'd probably say that the truck would be smashed up and I'd think I was superman.
All totally hypothetical of course.

Wrong.... Acceleration is a rate of change and as such can be constant.
One can accelerate a shaft from rest to N revs/ sec over time 't'
The shaft can be said to have undergone a period of uniform or constant Acceleration until it reached its max speed.

No it can't. It's either under acceleration until it reaches its max speed and then becomes a constant speed or it becomes a constant speed before it reaches max speed if the acceleration ceases at any point before max speed....as long as it's not a shut off of power which would then becomes deceleration.

Quote from: defender_of_truth on November 27, 2017, 04:05:53 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 27, 2017, 04:00:31 AM

Quote from: defender_of_truth on November 27, 2017, 03:50:39 AM

That requires you to tell me something you are familiar with, so that we can apply physics to it.

How about ACCELERATION.

I'm on a train right now going 130 kph, how many seconds will it take to stop if it looses 1 kph per second? I know it's hard, but you can figure it out if you are an expert in acceleration.

It has nothing to do with acceleration.

It has everything to do with acceleration, and we all see it but you.

Hey folks, I need to take a break. Family and life needs me. Also, Scepti’s astonishing ignorance gives me complete confidence that the public is not in any great danger of jumping into his rabbit hole. I’ll check back later. Cheers!

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 27, 2017, 04:11:54 AM

Quote from: defender_of_truth on November 27, 2017, 04:05:53 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 27, 2017, 04:00:31 AM

Quote from: defender_of_truth on November 27, 2017, 03:50:39 AM

That requires you to tell me something you are familiar with, so that we can apply physics to it.

How about ACCELERATION.

I'm on a train right now going 130 kph, how many seconds will it take to stop if it looses 1 kph per second? I know it's hard, but you can figure it out if you are an expert in acceleration.

It has nothing to do with acceleration.

It has everything to do with acceleration, and we all see it but you.

Nope, you're talking about a constant speed.